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Cody Covey
11-04-2008, 10:12 PM
Well its over Socialism for all congratz

precisionlabradors
11-04-2008, 10:17 PM
Well its over Socialism for all congratz

lol.

sniffle sniffle

http://www.retrievertraining.net/forums/showthread.php?t=26110&highlight=landslide&page=2 quite the landslide

so the question is, are the republicans here going to do their patriotic part now to try and unify the country, or cry over spilt milk, pout, and continue to fear-monger and remain divisive?

what do mccain supporters plan to do now to unify the country you have stated over and over that you love.
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Paula H
11-04-2008, 10:20 PM
I'm alternating between the depths of depression and being mad as hell.

Cody Covey
11-04-2008, 10:24 PM
yep thats my mood as well

dogcommand
11-04-2008, 10:24 PM
YYYYYYYYYEEEEEEESSSSSS! and thanks to McCain for a gracious concession speech!

Hoosier
11-04-2008, 10:25 PM
Well here we go affirmative action on steroids

mdegra
11-04-2008, 10:29 PM
I'm going to try and figure out how I'm going to pay back the obscene amount of student loans I owe, with 2 years of residency left. Great. Well at least we don't have a senate and house controlled by the same party...... Oh wait, we do. I think I'm just going to sit back and watch the faces change when people start getting what they asked for. It doesn't matter though. The cattle will keep on following the herd without asking where they're going.

Joe S.
11-04-2008, 10:32 PM
and thanks to McCain for a gracious concession speech!

Yes, I thought Senator McCain showed a lot of class in his concession speech.

Honorable Regards,

Joe S.

BBnumber1
11-04-2008, 10:32 PM
lol.

so the question is, are the republicans here going to do their patriotic part now to try and unify the country, or cry over spilt milk, pout, and continue to fear-monger and remain divisive?

what do mccain supporters plan to do now to unify the country you have stated over and over that you love.

Pssst.... s'posed to be the winner that tries to do the unifying.... Glad to see your working at it.

Hoosier
11-04-2008, 10:35 PM
Time to get the bumper stickers like we've been seeing the last 8 years he's not my president

Rick_C
11-04-2008, 10:42 PM
Let's see how much the Obama supporters are cheering when the reality of what they've done sinks in and comes to fruitition.

You made your bed, now you have to lay in it regards,

Rick

Cody Covey
11-04-2008, 10:42 PM
lol.

sniffle sniffle

http://www.retrievertraining.net/forums/showthread.php?t=26110&highlight=landslide&page=2 quite the landslide

so the question is, are the republicans here going to do their patriotic part now to try and unify the country, or cry over spilt milk, pout, and continue to fear-monger and remain divisive?

what do mccain supporters plan to do now to unify the country you have stated over and over that you love.
just hoping texas or alaska tries to susceed so i can move there...why would we try and unify something we are completely against...


Semi sarcastic regards

Gun_Dog2002
11-04-2008, 11:28 PM
Hey I just became a criminal since I'm keeping my guns. Grandma would be so proud....

/Paul

Cody Covey
11-04-2008, 11:28 PM
hell im stocking up hahah

precisionlabradors
11-04-2008, 11:28 PM
so it seems the consensus is that you are willing to be patriotic for a country that is led by a regime whose ideology you subscribe to.

like freedom of speech unless you don't like it, or freedom of religion unless its different from yours.

all of the "you'll see", you've made your bed, now lie in it is fear-mongering.

i know writing on this thread is a waste of time, because it isn't going to get anything but surly, sarcastic, cynicism, but it would be great to see McCain followers show a portion of the class he did in his concession speech.

the fact is, obama is the next pres. what is the negativity that is being spewed here going to do to make or keep the country remain great or improve?

nobody has said one thing that they will do to support the next presidency of their beloved country. pouting isn't going to do a damn thing. sitting back to teach the democrats a lesson isn't going to do a damn thing but make this country worse, which, as i see it is not patriotic and not indicative of a person who claims to love his country.

drop the pride. do the right thing. mccain did in his speech. obama would have if he lost.
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precisionlabradors
11-04-2008, 11:30 PM
Pssst.... s'posed to be the winner that tries to do the unifying.... Glad to see your working at it.

that is one of the dumbest responses that could have been posted. what are you gonna do to support the leader of your country? what are you gonna do to make a difference in the world? complain?
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Gun_Dog2002
11-04-2008, 11:31 PM
So I'm curious? What exactly am "I" suppose to do to unify this country? I didn't just blow smoke up a nations skirt and become president. BO did. The question is, "what is he going to do to create unity while maintaining my constitutional rights...?"

/Paul

achiro
11-04-2008, 11:32 PM
so it seems the consensus is that you are willing to be patriotic for a country that is led by a regime whose ideology you subscribe to.

like freedom of speech unless you don't like it, or freedom of religion unless its different from yours.

all of the "you'll see", you've made your bed, now lie in it is fear-mongering.

i know writing on this thread is a waste of time, because it isn't going to get anything but surly, sarcastic, cynicism, but it would be great to see McCain followers show a portion of the class he did in his secession speech.

the fact is, obama is the next pres. what is the negativity that is being spewed here going to do to make or keep the country remain great or improve?

nobody has said one thing that they will do to support the next presidency of their beloved country. pouting isn't going to do a damn thing. sitting back to teach the democrats a lesson isn't going to do a damn thing but make this country worse, which, as i see it is not patriotic and not indicative of a person who claims to love his country.

drop the pride. do the right thing. mccain did in his speech. obama would have if he lost.
So what you are saying is that if I were to go back (and I won't take the time to do it) to look at all of your political posts that there won't be one negative comment about Bush?;-)

Cody Covey
11-04-2008, 11:34 PM
I don't believe anyone said they didn't recognize Obama as our president. That doesn't mean that anything Obama will do will help our country, and most of us believe that he will hurt our country. You talk about freedom of speech unless we dont like it, when Obama is going to be the worst about this...fairness doctine, kicking media off his plane after they endorse McCain.

Also he recently said he plans to bankrupt the coal industry. Yes we are a little upset we got a socialist for president, he was worshipped by many so they will see what happens when you have someone that liberal into office. Jimmy Carter anyone?

precisionlabradors
11-04-2008, 11:35 PM
So I'm curious? What exactly am "I" suppose to do to unify this country? I didn't just blow smoke up a nations skirt and become president. BO did. The question is, "what is he going to do to create unity while maintaining my constitutional rights...?"

/Paul

being willing to not spew negativity while maintaining your opinion.

not making assumptions based on fear that BO will implement during his presidency.

but, more importantly, what do you think you can do? do you need someone to tell you what to do? be proactive.
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Cody Covey
11-04-2008, 11:38 PM
being willing to not spew negativity while maintaining your opinion.

not making assumptions based on fear that BO will implement during his presidency.

but, more importantly, what do you think you can do? do you need someone to tell you what to do? be proactive.

not based on fear but on his words and speeches...

precisionlabradors
11-04-2008, 11:41 PM
So what you are saying is that if I were to go back (and I won't take the time to do it) to look at all of your political posts that there won't be one negative comment about Bush?;-)

nope, you probably would. i hate bush, but support and respect him as my president. the difference here, is that bush actually did implement poor legislation after gaining the trust of the masses. hell, i was one of them. i wanted to believe that bush would do what he said he would do. i voted for him. and, after having voted for him and feeling duped, i feel it is my right to complain about what he did and support changing directions, which is what i have done.

maybe i need to just shut up, because obviously(based on my bush votes) my choice of candidate sucks. haha.

and i'm not perfect. i have spewed negativity in the past. probably will again sometime. but what is, is. and it will only remain good here in this country or get better if we maintain our opinions respectfully and do our part to be unified by the unifier. not swim against the current because we are prideful.

and, as expected, i will be picked apart here...much like joe the plumber by the libs....and the message will be lost. i will probably post a few more things, but won't continue a ton.

bottom line, do what you want. it's your freedom as an american. say and believe what you want too.
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Gun_Dog2002
11-04-2008, 11:41 PM
being willing to not spew negativity while maintaining your opinion.

not making assumptions based on fear that BO will implement during his presidency.

but, more importantly, what do you think you can do? do you need someone to tell you what to do? be proactive.


Sorry, I haven't drank the kool-aid. I'm counting the days until his "friends" decide to test him as a president and attack the country. Lets see if change helps then...

/Paul

precisionlabradors
11-04-2008, 11:45 PM
Sorry, I haven't drank the kool-aid. I'm counting the days until his "friends" decide to test him as a president and attack the country. Lets see if change helps then...

/Paul

assumptions. fear-mongering. speculation. nobody can say that anything that will happen in the future would have or wouldn't have if either side were elected. the fact is that al-qaeda historically has hated us and will continue to hate us despite who is in office. how does sitting back waiting to say "i told you so" build the country you love up instead of tear it down?
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AmiableLabs
11-04-2008, 11:48 PM
so the question is, are the republicans here going to do their patriotic part now to try and unify the country, or cry over spilt milk, pout, and continue to fear-monger and remain divisive? what do mccain supporters plan to do now to unify the country you have stated over and over that you love.
What I am hearing from those politically active on the right is that Republicans are going to take their lessons from the Democrats the last eight years. Specifically being "the party of opposition," as Pelosi called it in 2004. They will try and filibuster EVERYTHING in the Senate in the hopes of not letting anything pass, just like the Democrats did for four years (2002-2006).

Cody Covey
11-04-2008, 11:48 PM
its not about fear mongering or dragging the country down or a I told you so moment. I see what you mean precious its just that Obama is everything most of us are against so therefore it is very to do anything other than like you said respect him as president but to say that we are suddenly going to agree with him is absurd

precisionlabradors
11-04-2008, 11:50 PM
What I am hearing from those politically active on the right is that Republicans are going to take their lessons from the Democrats the last eight years. Specifically being "the party of opposition," as Pelosi called it in 2004. They will try and filibuster EVERYTHING in the Senate in the hopes of not letting anything pass, just like the Democrats did for four years (2002-2006).

great, that's just what mccain stated he feels this country needs right now. prideful obstinance. because some dumbass (yes i think pelosi sucks) did something in the past doesn't give the greenlight to continue in immature defiance for four years. honestly, how does that thinking help?
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precisionlabradors
11-04-2008, 11:54 PM
its not about fear mongering or dragging the country down or a I told you so moment. I see what you mean precious its just that Obama is everything most of us are against so therefore it is very to do anything other than like you said respect him as president but to say that we are suddenly going to agree with him is absurd

who said you have to agree?

i guess, go ahead and be sour.
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Cody Covey
11-05-2008, 12:00 AM
then how do i go about disagreeing and not be negative? This is not a socialist country Obama is a socialist. I don't believe this country wants to be socialist either i believe they were duped by Obama Biden and the media and they will soon regret the fact they elected him...buyers remorse if you will. But by then he will have his civil military force that is supposed to be as well funded as the military...still dont get what he means by this but sounds like a personal guard for when he tries to implement his marxist views...yay for fear mongering

precisionlabradors
11-05-2008, 12:04 AM
then how do i go about disagreeing and not be negative? This is not a socialist country Obama is a socialist. I don't believe this country wants to be socialist either i believe they were duped by Obama Biden and the media and they will soon regret the fact they elected him...buyers remorse if you will. But by then he will have his civil military force that is supposed to be as well funded as the military...still dont get what he means by this but sounds like a personal guard for when he tries to implement his marxist views...yay for fear mongering

by sticking to facts rather than opinions. and not making catastrophic assumptions.

opinionated words in your post: socialist, marxist.

catastrophic assumptions: we WILL have a civil military force...

other catastrophic assumptions are plentiful
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Buzz
11-05-2008, 12:06 AM
What I am hearing from those politically active on the right is that Republicans are going to take their lessons from the Democrats the last eight years. Specifically being "the party of opposition," as Pelosi called it in 2004. They will try and filibuster EVERYTHING in the Senate in the hopes of not letting anything pass, just like the Democrats did for four years (2002-2006).

Then they will seal their fate.

AmiableLabs
11-05-2008, 12:12 AM
Then they will seal their fate.
Right. Like it sealed the fate of Democrats. :roll:

The Democrats did not play nice when the Republicans were in charge. There is nothing that says the Republicans must now play nice when the Democrats are in charge.

Both parties must, first and foremost, be loyal to their base. Just like the Democrats did when they were the minority, and just like the Republicans must now do that they are in the minority.

Cody Covey
11-05-2008, 12:12 AM
its not opinion read the communist manifesto and you have his talking points...FACT not opinion and the part about the civil militia was from his speech not something made up but us "right wingers" he said it...again FACTS not opinion

tshuntin
11-05-2008, 12:21 AM
I am not really watching the news but, just tuned in for a minute. How about all of the people back east celebrating at 1 am in the streets partying it up? Let me guess, these are all the Obama supporters without jobs to go to tomorrow that we are all going to start supporting under obamanism's leadership???

The gun worry with Obama and a democratic congress really concerns me but, that is only a small reason I am worried for our next 4 years.

precisionlabradors
11-05-2008, 12:23 AM
its not opinion read the communist manifesto and you have his talking points...FACT not opinion and the part about the civil militia was from his speech not something made up but us "right wingers" he said it...again FACTS not opinion

ok. do what you want. believe what you want. hopefully your actions and beliefs contribute to the cure not the demise.
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Cody Covey
11-05-2008, 12:24 AM
have to be able to afford the guns first~

precisionlabradors
11-05-2008, 12:25 AM
I am not really watching the news but, just tuned in for a minute. How about all of the people back east celebrating at 1 am in the streets partying it up? Let me guess, these are all the Obama supporters without jobs to go to tomorrow that we are all going to start supporting under obamanism's leadership???

The gun worry with Obama and a democratic congress really concerns me but, that is only a small reason I am worried for our next 4 years.

or possibly they are the supporters with great jobs that funded his campaign who earn vacation time and saw obama's victory significant enough of a reason to take a vacation day. if ALL of obama's supporters were leaches, how would he have received so much private donation campaign money. bigoted assumptions do little to help the cause for unification.
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Cody Covey
11-05-2008, 12:28 AM
offshore contributions duh!

BonMallari
11-05-2008, 12:54 AM
This might just be the kick in the crotch the Republican Party needs. I think you will see many , me included take a look at the Libertarian party. I think the old guard which McCain is very much a part of need to get swept out of office and need to get fresh leaders and take back control of the Party to represent the true values and concerns of their constituents instead of special interests and lobbyists...

Jake Lunsford
11-05-2008, 01:04 AM
Socialism - spreading the wealth from those who don't need it to those who do.

Taxes - spreading the wealth around from those who don't need it to those who do.

See the correlation? I'm sorry, but it is getting really old hearing the "BO is a socialist" comments. He had the balls to say what he did. And guess what? Spreading the wealth around is something every president has done since the first tax was imposed on the American people. Some take from the poor and give to the rich. Some take from the rich and give to the poor. But they all do it.

Loren Crannell
11-05-2008, 01:24 AM
For the record...I am a Republican and what I am most disappointed is how the Republican Party has let me down in the past 16 years. I am embarrassed of the Bush administration, and how he has made this country worse off than with the Clinton administration.

I would have voted for McCain had he picked a better VP candidate. His choice was a cave in to the far right, extreme conservative base that no longer represents the majority of the country.

Maybe McCain/Palin represents a majority of this board, but how can you explain the shift in power from the Republican Party, to the Democratic Party? It’s not because we drank Kool-Aid or believe in his words, it’s because of the lack of success of the Republican Party and how it’s let us down. Have you looked at your IRA or 401k statements? Mine is down 35%. Obama didn’t have anything to do with that! My taxes didn’t go down either.

For those who minimize my vote for Obama I am sorry. I have a college degree, and work hard every single day of my life. My family members are farmers, nurses, and mechanics who represent core america. I didn't drink any Obama Kool-Aid. My job is to manage almost $2billion dollars in cash and investments for a large maker of video games. My salary puts me above the Obama tax limit and I consider myself intelligent and well informed on the political topics. I have no issue about casting my vote for Barrack. He represents a new era for this country, and along with the shift in the Senate, shows how a previously polarized country made a statement of needed change.

Look at the failures of the past eight years, and you have to wonder why Barrack won?

Those who are saying that Barrack will be tested, or that you will lose your guns, or the country will fall into a black hole, why? It shows a rather low opinion of the US Government and the three divisions of power. For those who want him to be tested, what about the innocent people that would be hurt or killed in such a test? It’s not such an innocent or innocuous statement.

JDogger
11-05-2008, 01:27 AM
Isn't it time to get back to dog training, hunting, white coats vs. camo, etc., for a while?
Are Fallon, or KG, the most obnoxious...?
It's over. Inauguration is still two months away... and any signifcant legislation... much further...Have a drink. Hug your dog. Kiss your wife and your kids. Life is short...time to move on...

Well I've been wrong plenty of times before,regards,
JD

Bud Bass
11-05-2008, 01:29 AM
For the record...I am a Republican and what I am most disappointed is how the Republican Party has let me down in the past 16 years. I am embarrassed of the Bush administration, and how he has made this country worse off than with the Clinton administration.

I would have voted for McCain had he picked a better VP candidate. His choice was a cave in to the far right, extreme conservative base that no longer represents the majority of the country.

Maybe McCain/Palin represents a majority of this board, but how can you explain the shift in power from the Republican Party, to the Democratic Party? Itís not because we drank Kool-Aid or believe in his words, itís because of the lack of success of the Republican Party and how itís let us down. Have you looked at your IRA or 401k statements? Mine is down 35%. Obama didnít have anything to do with that! My taxes didnít go down either.

For those who minimize my vote for Obama I am sorry. I have a college degree, and work hard every single day of my life. My family members are farmers, nurses, and mechanics who represent core america. I didn't drink any Obama Kool-Aid. My job is to manage almost $2billion dollars in cash and investments for a large maker of video games. My salary puts me above the Obama tax limit and I consider myself intelligent and well informed on the political topics. I have no issue about casting my vote for Barrack. He represents a new era for this country, and along with the shift in the Senate, shows how a previously polarized country made a statement of needed change.

Look at the failures of the past eight years, and you have to wonder why Barrack won?

Those who are saying that Barrack will be tested, or that you will lose your guns, or the country will fall into a black hole, why? It shows a rather low opinion of the US Government and the three divisions of power. For those who want him to be tested, what about the innocent people that would be hurt or killed in such a test? Itís not such an innocent or innocuous statement.


Well said. Bud

Paul Johnson
11-05-2008, 01:41 AM
For the record...I am a Republican and what I am most disappointed is how the Republican Party has let me down in the past 16 years. I am embarrassed of the Bush administration, and how he has made this country worse off than with the Clinton administration.

I would have voted for McCain had he picked a better VP candidate. His choice was a cave in to the far right, extreme conservative base that no longer represents the majority of the country.

Maybe McCain/Palin represents a majority of this board, but how can you explain the shift in power from the Republican Party, to the Democratic Party? Itís not because we drank Kool-Aid or believe in his words, itís because of the lack of success of the Republican Party and how itís let us down. Have you looked at your IRA or 401k statements? Mine is down 35%. Obama didnít have anything to do with that! My taxes didnít go down either.

For those who minimize my vote for Obama I am sorry. I have a college degree, and work hard every single day of my life. My family members are farmers, nurses, and mechanics who represent core america. I didn't drink any Obama Kool-Aid. My job is to manage almost $2billion dollars in cash and investments for a large maker of video games. My salary puts me above the Obama tax limit and I consider myself intelligent and well informed on the political topics. I have no issue about casting my vote for Barrack. He represents a new era for this country, and along with the shift in the Senate, shows how a previously polarized country made a statement of needed change.

Look at the failures of the past eight years, and you have to wonder why Barrack won?

Those who are saying that Barrack will be tested, or that you will lose your guns, or the country will fall into a black hole, why? It shows a rather low opinion of the US Government and the three divisions of power. For those who want him to be tested, what about the innocent people that would be hurt or killed in such a test? Itís not such an innocent or innocuous statement.

Have some more Kool-Aid!

Loren Crannell
11-05-2008, 02:04 AM
Isn't it time to get back to dog training, hunting, white coats vs. camo, etc., for a while?
Are Fallon, or KG, the most obnoxious...?
It's over. Inauguration is still two months away... and any signifcant legislation... much further...Have a drink. Hug your dog. Kiss your wife and your kids. Life is short...time to move on...

Well I've been wrong plenty of times before,regards,
JD

You're right...I am going to move on, because I am a lucky man to have a great daughter and wife, and three awesome dogs. I come to this site for the great dog advice and hear about fellow dog owners.

Great post...and well said.

Loren

Illinois Bob
11-05-2008, 06:07 AM
It's going to be a loooooong 4 years.PrecisionLabs,There is no law(yet) that says we have to hop on the Obama bandwagon and support him.I think it is in the countrys best interest to fight him all the way.I think the talk of unifying anybody is a waste of time when the first thing the liberals do is start telling conservative people what they are now supposed to believe in overnight.I really hope "your" President proves us all wrong but I doubt very much he will.

Julie R.
11-05-2008, 06:23 AM
the fact is, obama is the next pres. what is the negativity that is being spewed here going to do to make or keep the country remain great or improve?

nobody has said one thing that they will do to support the next presidency of their beloved country. pouting isn't going to do a damn thing. sitting back to teach the democrats a lesson isn't going to do a damn thing but make this country worse, which, as i see it is not patriotic and not indicative of a person who claims to love his country.



So, all the nasty stuff and blame for everything from a bounced check, to failed mortgages, to global warming, that Bush was blamed for, all the Bush bad-mouthing, is NOT OK for if it pertains to Obama?

I just know in my heart of hearts Obama is going to make a great president, and his wife such a gracious first lady. I got chills last night watching Oprah on Fox news when it was announced she was moving to D.C. to take a Cabinet position. They didn't say which one, just that she could afford to buy any position she wanted. I can't wait to see who else will be installed. I can't wait to see what other favors Obama backers will be calling in. Rock on Obama lovers!

Goose
11-05-2008, 06:29 AM
Do I get free gas now?

Franco
11-05-2008, 06:38 AM
The Islamic terrorist, Hugo Chavez, Nic Putin, Castros, and the rest that would like to see the downfall of the once great USA are happy.

Hew
11-05-2008, 06:39 AM
nope, you probably would. i hate bush, but support and respect him as my president. the difference here, is that bush actually did implement poor legislation after gaining the trust of the masses. hell, i was one of them. i wanted to believe that bush would do what he said he would do. i voted for him. and, after having voted for him and feeling duped, i feel it is my right to complain about what he did and support changing directions, which is what i have done.

maybe i need to just shut up, because obviously(based on my bush votes) my choice of candidate sucks. haha.

and i'm not perfect. i have spewed negativity in the past. probably will again sometime. but what is, is. and it will only remain good here in this country or get better if we maintain our opinions respectfully and do our part to be unified by the unifier. not swim against the current because we are prideful.

and, as expected, i will be picked apart here...much like joe the plumber by the libs....and the message will be lost. i will probably post a few more things, but won't continue a ton.

bottom line, do what you want. it's your freedom as an american. say and believe what you want too.
Classic. The author of some of the nastiest vitriol against Bush, McCain and Palin on this site during this politcal season (and that's sayin' something) now wants everybody to be "unified" and have "respectful opinions."

RedHeadedHurricane
11-05-2008, 06:42 AM
This Sucks Big Time!

K.Bullock
11-05-2008, 06:43 AM
so it seems the consensus is that you are willing to be patriotic for a country that is led by a regime whose ideology you subscribe to.

like freedom of speech unless you don't like it, or freedom of religion unless its different from yours.

all of the "you'll see", you've made your bed, now lie in it is fear-mongering.

i know writing on this thread is a waste of time, because it isn't going to get anything but surly, sarcastic, cynicism, but it would be great to see McCain followers show a portion of the class he did in his concession speech.

the fact is, obama is the next pres. what is the negativity that is being spewed here going to do to make or keep the country remain great or improve?

nobody has said one thing that they will do to support the next presidency of their beloved country. pouting isn't going to do a damn thing. sitting back to teach the democrats a lesson isn't going to do a damn thing but make this country worse, which, as i see it is not patriotic and not indicative of a person who claims to love his country.

drop the pride. do the right thing. mccain did in his speech. obama would have if he lost.


Hey ..did you catch Schumer already talking about fairness Doctrine last night? (freedom to speak as Schumer decides) I am sure the anti-gun Dems are not foaming at the mouth.:rolleyes:


Government controlled health care ? I remember when I was a kid a certain Peanut Farmer in the same situation planted a nice field of helicopters in the desert. ..LOL not a good time to gloat.:D Now it is possible that Carter reincarnated will be in charge of some things that are near and dear to me.

My apologies for not looking forward to the next Presidency. I know it is bad manners to disagree with the liberal establishment..I just can't help myself.

code3retrievers
11-05-2008, 06:54 AM
lol.


so the question is, are the republicans here going to do their patriotic part now to try and unify the country, or cry over spilt milk, pout, and continue to fear-monger and remain divisive?

what do mccain supporters plan to do now to unify the country you have stated over and over that you love.

Just like the Dems did in 2000 and 2004. Oh wait they never unified. Don't expect the Rep to do so either. What are we supposed to follow the messiah blindly? If so I will be turning my guns in and sending my extra taxes in tomorrow.

It's time now to see if Obama is really the uniting force he says he is. He will have to do a lot of work to earn my respect. I suspect in 4 years the Reps will make a turn around and make some serious gains.

code3retrievers
11-05-2008, 07:01 AM
Pression Labs

When did you or anyone in the country loose their freedom of religion or speech. Name one instance or is that just some left wing talking point.

Last time I checked I still could go to any church or Mosque and I could even say evil things against our government and become or stay a professor at a major university.

mbrookins
11-05-2008, 07:07 AM
I did not vote for Obama. Like it or not he is our next President. The next 4 years will be difficult, not because of a Democratic Party majority, but becuase the power of persuason from the conservatives will have to be that much stronger. It will take tremendous effort to stave off a deep slide in government policy to the left. Our challenge as conservatives is to avoid the behavior that we have seen for more that 8 years -- the "hate" expressed for President Bush, and our government; the juvenile behaviour by the leaders of the formor minority and now majority party; and the absolute idiotic comments by the hollywood elites.

I have come to believe that divided government seems to work best. Right now, roughly 50% of the country got what they wanted and 50% did not. Always seems to be that way. One-party control seems to go astray. I hope for the next four years I am wrong and most will be satisfied with Washington's response.

Supporting (but disagreeing when necessary) regards,

Mike

John Kelder
11-05-2008, 07:16 AM
From BHO book -"Audacity of Hope"

"I shall stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction" BHO

The Koran says it is every Muslims obligation to convert the infidel to muslim .If you refuse to convert ,you must be killed .
This is the guy you voted into office ,and will have access to ALL of our nations secrets .
Didn't Confucious say something about hoping you don't live in interesting times ?
Wait till inaugaration when he takes the oath of office on the Koran , it will start to hit home for some of you then .
The cavedwellers (terrorists)are proud of us . The trojan horse is being wheeled to the gate .
And I pray I'm wrong.No need to post replies . Gone Hunting

bobbyb
11-05-2008, 07:21 AM
I think I'm gonna go PUKE !!!

achiro
11-05-2008, 07:23 AM
Have you looked at your IRA or 401k statements? Mine is down 35%. Obama didnít have anything to do with that! My taxes didnít go down either.
The fact that they got you to believe that 1. Bush had everything to do with this and 2. that Obama had nothing to do with it is telling and, of course, the main reason McCain lost this election. and BTW, that IS the kool-aid

cotts135
11-05-2008, 07:27 AM
This is not a socialist country Obama is a socialist.

Speaking about drinking the Kool aid, give me a break. If your objective and apply the same standards to McCain as you do to Obama then McCain is also a Socialist. Fact is neither one of them are , the use of the word was a strategic decision the Republican campaign decided to use in hope that it would stick. That's what they do, use words with negative connotations in hope that people would believe it. The same goes for "Marxist, Elitist etc.

Captain Mike D
11-05-2008, 07:38 AM
so it seems the consensus is that you are willing to be patriotic for a country that is led by a regime whose ideology you subscribe to.

like freedom of speech unless you don't like it, or freedom of religion unless its different from yours.

all of the "you'll see", you've made your bed, now lie in it is fear-mongering.

i know writing on this thread is a waste of time, because it isn't going to get anything but surly, sarcastic, cynicism, but it would be great to see McCain followers show a portion of the class he did in his concession speech.

the fact is, obama is the next pres. what is the negativity that is being spewed here going to do to make or keep the country remain great or improve?

nobody has said one thing that they will do to support the next presidency of their beloved country. pouting isn't going to do a damn thing. sitting back to teach the democrats a lesson isn't going to do a damn thing but make this country worse, which, as i see it is not patriotic and not indicative of a person who claims to love his country.

drop the pride. do the right thing. mccain did in his speech. obama would have if he lost.

Thank you for your inspirational thoughts.

Wish the Bush hating crowd that began with the 2002 election would have lived by your words.

The "Rubber" is now going to meet the road.

We'll see how much road rash the Constitution has in a couple of years.

We'll see how all industry and individual rights fares under Liberalism(notice I did not say under Democrat Party control).

Till I see, I reserve my right to peaceful dissent and all other rights given to me by the Framers of that document.

Enjoy the party!!,

Mike

Tim Thomas
11-05-2008, 07:49 AM
So what you are saying is that if I were to go back (and I won't take the time to do it) to look at all of your political posts that there won't be one negative comment about Bush?;-)

Just what I was thinking

K.Bullock
11-05-2008, 07:54 AM
From BHO book -"Audacity of Hope"

"I shall stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction" BHO

The Koran says it is every Muslims obligation to convert the infidel to muslim .If you refuse to convert ,you must be killed .
This is the guy you voted into office ,and will have access to ALL of our nations secrets .
Didn't Confucious say something about hoping you don't live in interesting times ?
Wait till inaugaration when he takes the oath of office on the Koran , it will start to hit home for some of you then .
The cavedwellers (terrorists)are proud of us . The trojan horse is being wheeled to the gate .
And I pray I'm wrong.No need to post replies . Gone Hunting

The Trojan horse has been sitting on main street for years.

Election stuff aside thi sis truly serious stuff. islam has two abodes. The Abode of Islam(which is Islamic lands under the control of Islam )and the Abode of war which is all lands that are not under the rule of Islam. They are at war with everyone and every nation that is not Islamic.

Islam does not mean "peace" like is often said. It actually means submission.

The Islamic doctrine of war is an interesting read and an actual religious document. The document states deception is an honorable tactic in war and encourage it for the spread of Islam. It also does not allow a truce for over 10 years. If they lose a war they are required to keep fighting after the regroup and restrengthen. This explains their tenacity.

This is relevant to us in a lot of ways and more threatening to us than an Obama Administration could ever be. But most urgent is in our towns here. In Dearborn Michigan where the Islamic population is growing they asked that teh bells of Christian churches be silenced on Sundays.

They are at war with us and we are in denial.

Steve Shaver
11-05-2008, 08:00 AM
As I said before Obama is not the real scary part. I still believe in the system our founding fathers set up. Obama as president is a BAD thing but it is just like the coarse of nature. I believe things will balance out in the end.
No the real scary part is the people like precisionlabradors that believe in him. It is the american people as a whole that let us down. Things go wrong for a lot of reasons and the blame has to go some where. Hopefully the american people will see the error of their ways and by the next election a true leader will come out of the billions of people we have in this country.


Very scared about the next 4 years but trying to be optimistic regards.

KNorman
11-05-2008, 08:16 AM
Bobby Jindal in 2012!!!! :cool:

Marvin S
11-05-2008, 08:20 AM
I would have voted for McCain had he picked a better VP candidate. His choice was a cave in to the far right, extreme conservative base that no longer represents the majority of the country.

There are those of us who looked upon the Palin choice as a outsider, corruption fighter, maverick sort of choice. That she is a strong christian with normal everyday American values may have influenced some, the previous sentence was why I supported her as a solid choice. The only other R with those credentials was already tied up - namely Bobby Jindal.


Have you looked at your IRA or 401k statements? Mine is down 35%. Obama didnít have anything to do with that! My taxes didnít go down either.

For those who minimize my vote for Obama I am sorry. I have a college degree, and work hard every single day of my life. My family members are farmers, nurses, and mechanics who represent core america. I didn't drink any Obama Kool-Aid. My job is to manage almost $2billion dollars in cash and investments for a large maker of video games. My salary puts me above the Obama tax limit and I consider myself intelligent and well informed on the political topics.

For someone with the resume you claim to not be able to see the influence of Bill Clinton, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Barack Obama & the Democrat establishment on the meltdown astounds this poster. I have seen posted on this board that both McCain & the Bush administration, on separate occasions attempted to do something about the situation only to be stonewalled by the D's.

You might consider using your pedigree if you are going to lay claim to same.

Bryan McCulloch
11-05-2008, 08:26 AM
Obama,McCain,Bush,,,,makes no difference,they are all little puppets of the real rulers of your country and mine.cough the Fed cough.

Loren Crannell
11-05-2008, 08:29 AM
The fact that they got you to believe that 1. Bush had everything to do with this and 2. that Obama had nothing to do with it is telling and, of course, the main reason McCain lost this election. and BTW, that IS the kool-aid

removed my text. Nothing I say is going to change views, and that's what's great about this country. Many of the people I disagree on the political side are the people I respect as dog trainers/people.

trapper1
11-05-2008, 08:41 AM
Hi this is Trapper1 .I always looked up to the U.S.A. as a big brother .and said We be a lot better off if the U.S.A. took Canada over and i would be proud to fly your Flag . but what the hell are you people thinking of . your Country is gone to Hell. how can you hold your head up with pride . when now you look like the laughing stock of the world . A great Country like the U.S.A. ONE THING FOR SURE THERE WILL BE NO RACE wars IN YOUR country now because you should find you place very soon. do you remember that incident when that Truck Driver was pulled out of his Truck in hit with a brick. one a proud Nation . now your turn it over to . a individual that is going to help all the people . all I can say is time will tell. one who used to proud to have you for a Neighbor.

Bob Gutermuth
11-05-2008, 09:00 AM
Gov Palin for Pres in 2012!

Arturo
11-05-2008, 09:00 AM
Hi this is Trapper1 .I always looked up to the U.S.A. as a big brother .and said We be a lot better off if the U.S.A. took Canada over and i would be proud to fly your Flag . but what the hell are you people thinking of . your Country is gone to Hell. how can you hold your head up with pride . when now you look like the laughing stock of the world . A great Country like the U.S.A. ONE THING FOR SURE THERE WILL BE NO RACE wars IN YOUR country now because you should find you place very soon. do you remember that incident when that Truck Driver was pulled out of his Truck in hit with a brick. one a proud Nation . now your turn it over to . a individual that is going to help all the people . all I can say is time will tell. one who used to proud to have you for a Neighbor.

Ahmen
Well said and worth repeating.

DSO
11-05-2008, 09:04 AM
nobody has said one thing that they will do to support the next presidency of their beloved country. pouting isn't going to do a damn thing. sitting back to teach the democrats a lesson isn't going to do a damn thing but make this country worse, which, as i see it is not patriotic and not indicative of a person who claims to love his country.

drop the pride. do the right thing. McCain did in his speech. Obama would have if he lost.

Why should I pledge my wholesale support to a person who by his own statements plans on enacting policy and/or supports legislation that in my view will take my country in a direction that I don't agree with:confused::confused::confused:. Like most if not all members here I choose my candidates based on where they stand on issues that are important to me. For the most part, Obama/democrats/liberals support policies that I don't agree with, therefore I am a republican and voted for McCain. I'll support the President elect on things that I agree with...

Like taking out a known terrorist on the spot regardless of who's country he's in.

But I don't want to give 1 penny more to a welfare system that is broken and corrupt.

I don't want "free thinkers" appointed to the US Supreme Court.

I don't want my rights as a gun owner to be restricted any more than they already are.

I want less government spending not more.

I don't think that because you make more $ than me, Somehow it is your "duty or obligation" to pay more in taxes than I do.

I don't think a time line for troop withdrawal in Iraq is a good idea.

And the list goes on and on... Obama is the next POTUS. Be happy if you voted for him... support him if that is what you choose to do. But don't expect people to support a person who's values they don't agree with. I wouldn't expect that of you. Being unpatriotic because I'm not willing to jump on the Obama band wagon... Please. Drop the pride... Never. People support what they agree with. It's all pretty simple actually.

Danny

Cody Covey
11-05-2008, 09:22 AM
I blame the illuminati!

Bob Gutermuth
11-05-2008, 09:24 AM
My President is still Charlton Heston!

Cody Covey
11-05-2008, 09:28 AM
Rip ............

caglatz
11-05-2008, 09:41 AM
God help us all.....and God bless the United States.

It's his problem to deal with now. I feel like I lost the championship game. Let's hope I'm wrong.

Chris Meyer
11-05-2008, 09:43 AM
Shouldn't there be an IQ test for voting??????

Gerry Clinchy
11-05-2008, 09:43 AM
nope, you probably would. i hate bush, but support and respect him as my president.

I don't know how one defines "support and respect" if one doesn't believe the leader is doing a good job.

Our freedom of speech allows us to criticize our Pres if we think that he is not doing what we consider to be a good job.

So, if we criticize our Pres on his decisions, I don't see that as support or respect.

Absolutely, Bush took his fair share of criticism ever since no WMD were found in Iraq. If his approval rating was any indication he was getting very much the opposite of support and respect.

If Obama takes actions with which people disagree, in what way would they show their "support and respect"?

and it will only remain good here in this country or get better if we maintain our opinions respectfully and do our part to be unified by the unifier. not swim against the current because we are prideful.

As a matter of integrity, I think that each of us has a responsibility to voice our disagreement with things that appear to be "wrong" to us. I don't think it is prideful to do that.

I do agree that we should express our opinions with respect for each other, and not resort to name-calling.

bottom line, do what you want. it's your freedom as an american. say and believe what you want too.

With the divsiveness caused by this Presidential campaign, I do believe that the responsibility for "healing" is in the hands of the winner.

Nobody is right about everything, so if there is to be unification the new President will have to listen to those who may have different views and ideas, and use those ideas that are of merit even though he didn't think of them first. We shall have to wait to see if he has the character and courage to do this.

K.Bullock
11-05-2008, 09:44 AM
being willing to not spew negativity while maintaining your opinion.

not making assumptions based on fear that BO will implement during his presidency.

but, more importantly, what do you think you can do? do you need someone to tell you what to do? be proactive.

Be proactive? But play by the liberals rules of engagment right?

Rules like:
It is ok to outright lie as a journalist if the lie gets your man elected.

It is OK for BlackPanthers to stand outside of polling places with billy clubs.

Censorship is OK as long as you are censoring? a conservative?

Reverse discrimination is not only acceptable it is encouraged to bring about (progress) read socialism there.

The double standard was obvious and blatant in this election.Serious question here. How long do you think white conservatives are going to put up with this until something comes to a head.

Liberals are living in a fog of false security if they believe they can continue without consequence.

Somebody (Obama) had better be thinking of a path to reconciliation fast. And not one that threatens our constitutional rights. Or places one group above another.

FOM
11-05-2008, 09:52 AM
that is one of the dumbest responses that could have been posted. what are you gonna do to support the leader of your country? what are you gonna do to make a difference in the world? complain?

Damn.....you just called my husband stupid? :confused:

His point being is that a leader is the one that influences others and unites the followers for a single cause.....normally it is not the defeated person's responsibility......just saying. So what is the President Elect going to do to unite the McCain supporters to help his Presidency, to make America stronger?

FOM

Edit - And for the record there is no way that was one of the dumbest responses ever.......geeze go read some of The Goosers comments on Canning or Dog Training ;)

Second Edit - I support my country every day by going to work, paying my bills on time, paying taxes and I served in the US Army....I stand when the National Anthem is played with my hand over my heart, I do not burn my flag and I'm proud to be an american....also I truly believe this country went to hell in a hand basket when they took the pledge of alligence out of public schools....

gsc
11-05-2008, 09:55 AM
I will have to wait and see if BHO is the great unifier. I didn't see anything in the campaign that I thought would bring the approx. 48% of the country that didn't vote for him.

He was very good at getting folks who have not until now participated in the public forum of an election to the polls. I do not believe they are the ones footing the bill for whatever comes out of Washington over the next two years.

Unification has to now come from the left. Yes, the right failed in the last 6 years to effectively do it.

I am very willing to support my country. I am willing to respect the office of the President when Obama takes that roll. As for supporting his policies, that will have to wait until we see exactly what they are. To date we have very little to go on to predict what they will be. The topics of a campaign are never good predictors of what the reality will be.

To support the country, I will go to work every day and try to improve my small part of this great country. I suspect most if not all of McCain's supporters will do the same. You will have to forgive us if we seem to be taking a defensive posture. The campaign retoric has us a little concerned. It is summed up like this, hope for the best, expect the worst and you may be pleasantly supprised, hopefully not blind sided.

BBnumber1
11-05-2008, 10:03 AM
that is one of the dumbest responses that could have been posted. what are you gonna do to support the leader of your country? what are you gonna do to make a difference in the world? complain?

In case you did not notice, I did not complain. Just stated that it is the winners reponsibility to build consensus, and unify the country.

BTW, I do support my country, and its leader. Nowhere did I say otherwise.

DSemple
11-05-2008, 10:08 AM
Why should I pledge my wholesale support to a person who by his own statements plans on enacting policy and/or supports legislation that in my view will take my country in a direction that I don't agree with:confused::confused::confused:. Like most if not all members here I choose my candidates based on where they stand on issues that are important to me. For the most part, Obama/democrats/liberals support policies that I don't agree with, therefore I am a republican and voted for McCain. I'll support the President elect on things that I agree with...

Like taking out a known terrorist on the spot regardless of who's country he's in.

But I don't want to give 1 penny more to a welfare system that is broken and corrupt.

I don't want "free thinkers" appointed to the US Supreme Court.

I don't want my rights as a gun owner to be restricted any more than they already are.

I want less government spending not more.

I don't think that because you make more $ than me, Somehow it is your "duty or obligation" to pay more in taxes than I do.

I don't think a time line for troop withdrawal in Iraq is a good idea.

And the list goes on and on... Obama is the next POTUS. Be happy if you voted for him... support him if that is what you choose to do. But don't expect people to support a person who's values they don't agree with. I wouldn't expect that of you. Being unpatriotic because I'm not willing to jump on the Obama band wagon... Please. Drop the pride... Never. People support what they agree with. It's all pretty simple actually.

Danny

I agree with your sentiments.

Very well said.

Thankyou. ....Don

dixiedog
11-05-2008, 10:36 AM
YYYYYYYYYEEEEEEESSSSSS! and thanks to McCain for a gracious concession speech!

Obviously you live in Bozeman or Missoula being from Ca & that excited about socialism.

duckheads
11-05-2008, 10:41 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI

Chris Meyer
11-05-2008, 10:51 AM
It's sad when people vote for a personality and not actual policy. What are the benefits of any of his ideas for any American? Last night a great American was shot down from being a leader due to the ignorance of the majority of American people.

precisionlabradors
11-05-2008, 10:55 AM
It's sad when people vote for a personality and not actual policy. What are the benefits of any of his ideas for any American? Last night a great American was shot down from being a leader due to the ignorance of the majority of American people.

i voted for his policies.

but, democratic ideas amongst this crowd is like a lamb amongst wolves. no explanation or opinion will make a difference in your or anybody else's mind.
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Half-baked (http://half-baked.com)

RedHeadedHurricane
11-05-2008, 10:55 AM
It still sucks!

Hew
11-05-2008, 10:56 AM
After reading all 9 pages of this thread, I believe this political forum is a bad idea that should be discontinued, because it will lead to division amongst dog people. - Our Retrievers are the thing that should bind us on this forum.....and politics will divide us.

Bruce
And yet another Obama supporter, who less than 24 hours ago was calling others racist and impugning the business and reputation of a McCain supporter simply because he didn't share the same politics, now wants political speech here shut down and for us all to be united. Priceless.

Bubba
11-05-2008, 10:58 AM
After reading all 9 pages of this thread, I believe this political forum is a bad idea that should be discontinued, because it will lead to division amongst dog people. - Our Retrievers are the thing that should bind us on this forum.....and politics will divide us.



Bruce

Prolly easier and more effective to just boot a couple of turds to the curb.

Bubba

precisionlabradors
11-05-2008, 10:58 AM
And yet another Obama supporter, who less than 24 hours ago was calling others racist and impugning the business and reputation of a McCain supporter simply because he didn't share the same politics, now wants political speech here shut down and for us all to be united. Priceless.

hew-what are you going to do to make america a better place? specifics.
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The iolite (http://vaporizers.net)

Last Frontier Labs
11-05-2008, 11:02 AM
Our family is very sad and disappointed with the election. We have talked politics some, but my 17 year old daughter's comments last night were troubling. She wasn't worried about the economy as most are, but our country's safety. She said she thinks other countries will view Obama as weak and soon we will be involved in an even larger conflict.

I found it very disheartening that my child no longer feels safe.

Bob Gutermuth
11-05-2008, 11:06 AM
Sherri, your daughter has a good grasp of the issues. She is right on the money.

Chris Meyer
11-05-2008, 11:07 AM
precisionlabs, what are specifically the beneficial policies? That question wasn't answered in your response to my post. I am open minded about learning others opinions, I honestly can't see the benefits of any policies. I'm honestly asking for an explanation of your opinion about which policies are good for us as a whole and why you support them.

dixiedog
11-05-2008, 11:10 AM
So, all the nasty stuff and blame for everything from a bounced check, to failed mortgages, to global warming, that Bush was blamed for, all the Bush bad-mouthing, is NOT OK for if it pertains to Obama?


That seems to be the media's motto for the past 2 years!!

achiro
11-05-2008, 11:10 AM
After reading all 9 pages of this thread, I believe this political forum is a bad idea that should be discontinued, because it will lead to division amongst dog people. - Our Retrievers are the thing that should bind us on this forum.....and politics will divide us.



Bruce
Priceless! :confused:

Bob Gutermuth
11-05-2008, 11:22 AM
All things considered, politics are the one common currency among most of us. While there are great, acrimonius divisions between FT/HT and Chessies v Labs etc.it would appear that the vast majority of us here on RTF voted GOP in yesterday's election, are capitalists and oppose gun control.

Arturo
11-05-2008, 11:28 AM
All things considered, politics are the one common currency among most of us. While there are great, acrimonius divisions between FT/HT and Chessies v Labs etc.it would appear that the vast majority of us here on RTF voted GOP in yesterday's election, are capitalists and oppose gun control.
We (vast majority here) also oppose a weaker military and higher taxes, especially during a recession. I for one also oppose not drilling for my own oil! Buy stock in oil and gas company's now.

Bob Gutermuth
11-05-2008, 11:32 AM
For an OU fan, thats pretty profound! :D

Steve Amrein
11-05-2008, 11:38 AM
After reading all 9 pages of this thread, I believe this political forum is a bad idea that should be discontinued, because it will lead to division amongst dog people. - Our Retrievers are the thing that should bind us on this forum.....and politics will divide us.



Bruce


I am getting ready for the (un)fairness will be first after hearing Dick Turbin speak.

I will fully support what ever BHO does to improve the economy and the nation. Likewise I will resist and fight any changes with all of my resources. Some may not like to read this but I actually blame Bush for BHO's win. Now with all the branches of the government and the media behind the Democratic party thing should be in good shape by June or July.

RedHeadedHurricane
11-05-2008, 11:39 AM
Bob Gutermouth,
If ever your down in central Arkansas and want to go on a bonafide backwoods green timber duck hunt, just pm me. Your political views are very much welcome in our neck of the woods and I'd be much obliged to to try and put a flock of 300 mallards in your face.

We ain't hicks but we are mighty darn close!

Hew
11-05-2008, 11:40 AM
hew-what are you going to do to make america a better place? specifics.
Well, today I've been pretty busy telling some of the deserving liberals/Obama supporters on this site that they can take their hypocritical and self-serving pleas for national unity now that their candidate has won and shove them up as far up their colon as they can reach. But feel free to check back in with me tomorrow, though, and hopefully I'll be closer to the American that you'd like me to be. ;-)

Joe S.
11-05-2008, 11:40 AM
All things considered, politics are the one common currency among most of us. While there are great, acrimonius divisions between FT/HT and Chessies v Labs etc.it would appear that the vast majority of us here on RTF voted GOP in yesterday's election, are capitalists and oppose gun control.

All things considered, it would appear that the vast majority of us here on RTF voted in yesterday's election, believe our country is the greatest nation on the face of the earth, and will oppose those that seek to do us harm, be they foreign or domestic.

Bob Gutermuth
11-05-2008, 11:42 AM
Ya know Joe, one thing(among others) that I respect about you is that you can disagree without being disagreeable.

goldust
11-05-2008, 11:47 AM
"This is relevant to us in a lot of ways and more threatening to us than an Obama Administration could ever be. But most urgent is in our towns here. In Dearborn Michigan where the Islamic population is growing they asked that teh bells of Christian churches be silenced on Sundays.

They are at war with us and we are in denial."

Sorry, could not get the "quote" thing to work. We may still have freedon of religion - however, we cannot have prayer in schools, no prayer before an athletic event, In God we Trust is being removed from a lot of places, the ten commandments are no longer allowed in a lot of the courts, and now the Muslims do not want church bells on Sunday. Seems like "religious freedom" is not as free as it once was. As a Christian I resent the minority telling me I can't have these freedoms.

Marvin S
11-05-2008, 11:52 AM
Ya know Joe, one thing(among others) that I respect about you is that you can disagree without being disagreeable.

Bob - Unfortunately, your above statement is not always true. Joe can become somewhat ugly at times, unlike his avatars, which are always on the up & up.

RedHeadedHurricane
11-05-2008, 11:54 AM
"This is relevant to us in a lot of ways and more threatening to us than an Obama Administration could ever be. But most urgent is in our towns here. In Dearborn Michigan where the Islamic population is growing they asked that teh bells of Christian churches be silenced on Sundays.

They are at war with us and we are in denial."

Sorry, could not get the "quote" thing to work. We may still have freedon of religion - however, we cannot have prayer in schools, no prayer before an athletic event, In God we Trust is being removed from a lot of places, the ten commandments are no longer allowed in a lot of the courts, and now the Muslims do not want church bells on Sunday. Seems like "religious freedom" is not as free as it once was. As a Christian I resent the minority telling me I can't have these freedoms.

Amen Sister!
Funny how the ideals of the concrete foundation of what this country was founded on are being completely tossed aside. I believe there are soldiers turning in the graves at this very moment.

precisionlabradors
11-05-2008, 11:55 AM
Well, today I've been pretty busy telling some of the deserving liberals/Obama supporters on this site that they can take their hypocritical and self-serving pleas for national unity now that their candidate has won and shove them up as far up their colon as they can reach. But feel free to check back in with me tomorrow, though, and hopefully I'll be closer to the American that you'd like me to be. ;-)

good job. you must feel good about your ambitions.
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Bob Gutermuth
11-05-2008, 11:57 AM
Redheaded hurrician, thanks I will give you a shout next time I come that way.

Arturo
11-05-2008, 12:03 PM
i voted for his policies.
but, democratic ideas amongst this crowd is like a lamb amongst wolves. no explanation or opinion will make a difference in your or anybody else's mind.

Would that be the weaker military policy? Or the higher taxes policy? Or the not drilling for our own oil policy? All truly great policies but could you list some more please!

I almost forgot about the "I don't have to pay for my gas or mortgage" policy. I just found out about that one today!

precisionlabradors
11-05-2008, 12:09 PM
yes and the policy to take our guns, install islam as the national religion, give all of our military secrets to terrorists. all of the above.
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Arturo
11-05-2008, 12:17 PM
I say something real (except the gas and mortgage stuff)and you start making stuff up. What's up with that? Or maybe that is some more real stuff I am just finding out about today. Thank you. I will start adding them to my list of Obama policies as soon as I can verify them. Help me out here, where do I need to go to verify these policies?

YardleyLabs
11-05-2008, 12:29 PM
"This is relevant to us in a lot of ways and more threatening to us than an Obama Administration could ever be. But most urgent is in our towns here. In Dearborn Michigan where the Islamic population is growing they asked that teh bells of Christian churches be silenced on Sundays.

They are at war with us and we are in denial."

Sorry, could not get the "quote" thing to work. We may still have freedon of religion - however, we cannot have prayer in schools, no prayer before an athletic event, In God we Trust is being removed from a lot of places, the ten commandments are no longer allowed in a lot of the courts, and now the Muslims do not want church bells on Sunday. Seems like "religious freedom" is not as free as it once was. As a Christian I resent the minority telling me I can't have these freedoms.

I had heard a lot of controversy about a city council decision to permit a local mosque to broadcast a call to prayer 5x daily during specified hours and subject to noise restrictions, and heard the statement that denying that privilege would be equivalent to denying churches the right to ring their bells. I had not heard of a specific proposal to ban church bells otherwise. I also head that some people wanted church bells to be permitted because they were "not religious" but that the call to prayer should be banned because it is religious (That I don't understand). What's the story? Personally, I have lived in countries where I heard church bells ring every hour as well as for calls to services, and I have spent time in places where there was a call to prayers five times a day. I am not religious, but found them equally non-irritating as long as the noise levels were not excessive. It seems to me that under our constitution one would either have to permit both or ban both.

Steve Amrein
11-05-2008, 12:30 PM
So tell me how long does BHO have before he is responsible for his actions and the countries status.

Now before you answer remember it is W's fault for 911


In that time frame we should have all the bailout money spent. Wall street regulated. The troops will be home.

precisionlabradors
11-05-2008, 01:42 PM
he was responsible for it on 911 because is a terrorist too. duh.
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gsc
11-05-2008, 04:09 PM
Please restate, I am not able to understand your sentence.

Steve Hester
11-05-2008, 04:39 PM
he was responsible for it on 911 because is a terrorist too. duh.

Let me understand something. You want everybody to join hands and sing Cumbayah with Obama and his followers, while you refer to Bush as a terrorist?? If so, I honestly think you have lost your mind.

Granddaddy
11-05-2008, 06:33 PM
lol.

sniffle sniffle........

so the question is, are the republicans here going to do their patriotic part now to try and unify the country, or cry over spilt milk, pout, and continue to fear-monger and remain divisive?

what do mccain supporters plan to do now to unify the country you have stated over and over that you love.

And the answer is.......pay taxes & more of them.......

Steve
11-05-2008, 06:34 PM
Socialism - spreading the wealth from those who don't need it to those who do.

Taxes - spreading the wealth around from those who don't need it to those who do.

It is one thing to tax people disproportionately based on income (which I oppose) for roads, parks, military, etc and entirely something else to take money from one person and just give it to another.

The biggest problem with that thought process is who gets to decide who needs what and who doesn't. Maybe we should all vote on each other's income:rolleyes:

Steve
11-05-2008, 06:50 PM
I am most disappointed is how the Republican Party has let me down in the past 16 years.

how can you explain the shift in power from the Republican Party, to the Democrat Party? Have you looked at your IRA or 401k statements? Mine is down 35%. Obama didnít have anything to do with that!

The Republicans failed because they acted like Democrats. They abandoned fiscally conservative principles. They allowed the democrats to define them as the "extreme right wing" and place the blame for the economy on lack of regulation.

It is the principles of social engineering, in which Obama has championed, which are the primary responsibility for the financial crisis. It was government putting pressure on lenders to make loans to people who wouldn't otherwise qualify that initiated the whole thing. That McCain failed to highlight this in his campaign was just one more indication to me that he was an extremely weak candidate. I don't know of a single person who had any enthusiasm for McCain. Those who voted for him did so to oppose Obama.

RedHeadedHurricane
11-05-2008, 06:58 PM
he was responsible for it on 911 because is a terrorist too. duh.

Somebodies cheese has done slid off their cracker!

luvmylabs23139
11-05-2008, 07:13 PM
And the answer is.......pay taxes & more of them.......

You know there may be a silver lining in this for me. Since the Turbo Tax craze there has been very little side work for accountants working in the private sector during the tax season. I project an increased demand for these services in the near future as many people will be hoping an accountant can find items in the tax code that the person is unaware of that will reduce their tax burden.

Gonna start brushing up on LLC's, Sub chapter S's, and all those other "middle class" tax cuts that have never applied to me.

AmiableLabs
11-05-2008, 07:43 PM
I don't know of a single person who had any enthusiasm for McCain.
The elitist Republicans did and so did the Rockefeller Republicans, what is left of them.

Their argument was that in a bad year for Republicans like 2008, the party needed someone who was a maverick to draw in the independents. They were wrong, the independents broke 2:1 for Obama.

But your point is well taken, the Republican base is conservative, and conservatives have no enthusiasm for McCain.

That was one of the reasons he picked Palin -- to shore up the base. The result? Palin was attracting such huge crowds to her stump speeches they had to move to larger venues. McCain was attracting so few people to his speeches they had to hang black curtains to disguise the empty seats.

labdoc
11-05-2008, 10:20 PM
From BHO book -"Audacity of Hope"

"I shall stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction" BHO

The Koran says it is every Muslims obligation to convert the infidel to muslim .If you refuse to convert ,you must be killed .
This is the guy you voted into office ,and will have access to ALL of our nations secrets .
Didn't Confucious say something about hoping you don't live in interesting times ?
Wait till inaugaration when he takes the oath of office on the Koran , it will start to hit home for some of you then .
The cavedwellers (terrorists)are proud of us . The trojan horse is being wheeled to the gate .
And I pray I'm wrong.No need to post replies . Gone Hunting

Way too scary of a thought and the reason there will never be peace between the US and much of the middle east. The only part I doubt is the inauguration on the Koran but the thought has and continues to cross my mind.


Gun Dog2002said: So I'm curious? What exactly am "I" suppose to do to unify this country?

Share your ammo with the rest of us and we'll be unified. See how easy that is?:rolleyes:

Bob Gutermuth
11-05-2008, 10:24 PM
Peace between the US and the Middle East? When has there been peace between states in the Middle East itself? before or after the Crusades, never mind between the middle east and the rest of the world?

labdoc
11-05-2008, 10:29 PM
Correct Bob, but they hate us worse than they hate each other. We are the Infidels. It's just that is easier to fight your neighbor than someone across the ocean.

Loren Crannell
11-05-2008, 11:01 PM
The Republicans failed because they acted like Democrats. They abandoned fiscally conservative principles. They allowed the democrats to define them as the "extreme right wing" and place the blame for the economy on lack of regulation.

It is the principles of social engineering, in which Obama has championed, which are the primary responsibility for the financial crisis. It was government putting pressure on lenders to make loans to people who wouldn't otherwise qualify that initiated the whole thing. That McCain failed to highlight this in his campaign was just one more indication to me that he was an extremely weak candidate. I don't know of a single person who had any enthusiasm for McCain. Those who voted for him did so to oppose Obama.

I totally agree with you.

The fiscally responsible Republican party is why I have always been a Republican. I personally like McCain a great deal, but I just couldn't get behind him because of the shift in the party. I will vote Republican again, without a doubt because the country will shift if things don't turnaround. If McCain could have campaigned like his concession speech, he would have won my vote and in particular, the country.

For the economy, the blame is squarely on Alan Greenspan who created the catalyst for the borrowing.

Loren

Cody Covey
11-05-2008, 11:34 PM
so instead of voting for someone you barely disagree with, you vote for someone that is completely against what you just said

Loren Crannell
11-06-2008, 12:50 AM
so instead of voting for someone you barely disagree with, you vote for someone that is completely against what you just said

I voted for a change because I never heard from McCain how he would do anything different. Obama represents many values that are important to my young daughter and her rights as a girl and a woman.

Plus, I live in California where McCain didn't have a chance nor were any of the Senators up for re-election. The states that created the most change were Ohio, Virginia, and Pennsylvania. I am still in disbelief that McCain didn't win any of those states.

If I am to vote for somebody, I need to feel motivated to vote for him or her. I didn't agree with his VP choice and he never communicated well enough what his plans were. I think Palin will be back. She will be better prepared and will do quite well, but it wasn't now.

I would've been more comfortable had the Republican party kept more seats in the House and Senate, but again, I didn't have any Senators up for reelection.

John Kelder
11-06-2008, 03:22 AM
Way too scary of a thought and the reason there will never be peace between the US and much of the middle east. The only part I doubt is the inauguration on the Koran but the thought has and continues to cross my mind.



Share your ammo with the rest of us and we'll be unified. See how easy that is?:rolleyes:

I have tried to find "official confirmation" ,but Al Gore's internet says BHO took Senate oath on the Koran . Batten down the hatches , there be a fine storm brewing .
Would one of you folks on my side of the fence , and someone from the other side , start a little research/timeline/background piece on BHO rise to infamy and 9/11 ? Might make you famous .College ,kids ,gone from public view , etc . ??Just planting a seed here .This is truly a great orchestration/manipulation of public policy/ideals. Kinda like how rap became mainstream .You know all those little suckers (skin color irrelevant)15 years ago with the sideways ball caps and underwear sticking out .They all voted Tuesday .Who planted that seed ????And you thought letting the kids express themselves was harmless!!!!!!!!!!!
Note to Labdoc - just the first 2 lines are a response to you , sir .Too tired to start a new thread

AmiableLabs
11-06-2008, 01:06 PM
I have tried to find "official confirmation" ,but Al Gore's internet says BHO took Senate oath on the Koran. . . .Would one of you folks on my side of the fence , and someone from the other side , start a little research/timeline/background piece on BHO rise to infamy and 9/11 ? Might make you famous .College ,kids ,gone from public view , etc . ??Just planting a seed here .This is truly a great orchestration/manipulation of public policy/ideals. Kinda like how rap became mainstream .You know all those little suckers (skin color irrelevant)15 years ago with the sideways ball caps and underwear sticking out .They all voted Tuesday .Who planted that seed ????And you thought letting the kids express themselves was harmless!!!!!!!!!!!
Give it up. :roll:

Scott Greenwood
11-06-2008, 01:37 PM
Many of you on this board have done fallin of your rocker. I have been in SoDak for last week and didn't miss anything I see. I absenteed, my vote won in a landslide. Apperently more people than just me think this Barack fella is one hell of a pick.

People that we hunt with were complaining up a storm. I ask them who they voted for, and guess what? Not even registered. The balls of some people. And way to go Minnesota for pushing thru the Sportsmans vote!!!!

K.Bullock
11-06-2008, 01:51 PM
Many of you on this board have done fallin of your rocker. I have been in SoDak for last week and didn't miss anything I see. I absenteed, my vote won in a landslide. Apperently more people than just me think this Barack fella is one hell of a pick.

People that we hunt with were complaining up a storm. I ask them who they voted for, and guess what? Not even registered. The balls of some people. And way to go Minnesota for pushing thru the Sportsmans vote!!!!

You can try to talk to them ... in this video the conservative "Safety Lemming" explains his frustrations trying to reason with the Lemming Left. :razz:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ly-Hb_n584c

K.Bullock
11-06-2008, 01:55 PM
I have tried to find "official confirmation" ,but Al Gore's internet says BHO took Senate oath on the Koran .


No, it was the Christian Bible.

Scott Greenwood
11-06-2008, 02:06 PM
K. Bullock, I was pretty sure of that also. Again more fear.

John Kelder
11-06-2008, 02:20 PM
Give it up. :roll:

Do not know how . Don't want to know how . Like momma said , good things come to those who wait . Time to wait .

John Kelder
11-06-2008, 05:16 PM
Fear, Hate, Smear.......go re-invent your party or another one will take its place. This is 2008.

Practice what you preach . No where in your reply do I see wisdom ,grace ,humility ,courage,understanding,respect ,experience or knowledge .
FYI ,I do not vote any party line , but on the candidates position on issues I deem important .
I fear no one , love many , dislike a few and hate even less , and try to rely on fact ,not fiction .
And I do not dictate to others ,but merely offer an opinion .

Patrick Johndrow
11-06-2008, 05:39 PM
The election is over and I really hope Obama does America some good. We all have a chance to start correcting any error that might have been made in 2010 and then again in 2012. Now it is time to SHOW us the CHANGE and tell us WHERE it is that we are going.

57,000,000 people are hoping they were wrong regards

Captain Mike D
11-06-2008, 06:03 PM
The election is over and I really hope Obama does America some good. We all have a chance to start correcting any error that might have been made in 2010 and then again in 2012. Now it is time to SHOW us the CHANGE and tell us WHERE it is that we are going.

57,000,000 people are hoping they were wrong regards

Thank You Patrick,

But the first choice out of the box doesn't bode to well for for the 57Mil. that voted against. Perhaps we we will all be ushered off the plane!

What was his acceptance speach even about? Does anyone have a clue?

The left has not mustered 60 in the Senate yet, so I am hoping that Conservatism puts a message together before 2010AD while the few remaining hold the fort just as the dems have done over the past few years.

Too bad the Republican Party decided to spend like the Dems and cave in order to be moderate.


See you in the Foxholes!

Mike
And by the way Bruce------- You can stick your elitest BS straight up your best dogs rear. Dog Crap, pure and simple that needs to be flushed

John Kelder
11-10-2008, 09:08 PM
You know at my age I don't understand the rap culture or the dress you refer to, either. Perhaps it is a way of the dis-enfranchised to express themselves. Motown music is still my favorite, of course that was somewhat contraversial at the time - today it is old fashioned.

I remember a guy named Elvis Presley that could not be shown from the waist down on TV.

I also remember a group of 4 long hairs they called the Beatles. People said they would ruin the country if they came here. Ed Sullivan did not believe that.

Are you only for the individual liberties that you agree with??????

We are not responsible for how the next generation wants to run the world. We can only impart our wisdom, our values, etc. and they must construct and live in the world they create. So you ask: Who planted that seed? The answer is: we did.

What is criminal is saddling the next generation with the national debt we have created during recent years.

All we are saying is give peace a chance.


Bruce

I am for individual liberties that are not shoved down my throat .You are right , this generation planted that seed ,I'm ashamed to say.But every generation since the founding fathers (those free thinkers) has planted one seed or another .Thank God
But , Motown ,Beatles ,Elvis English invasion .... So , I remember when Rock was gonna destroy us , me included.Now in true Archie Bunker fashion , its raps turn .
Only warriors truly treasure peace.
RIP John Lennon .
National Debt -another stimulas package ,AIG more bailout $$$ , GM under 4$ a share . I'm gonna start digging up graves for gold fillings .
But gas is $1.679 here .How about that war affecting prices at the pump ? I need a drink . Shaken , not stirred .

gsc
11-11-2008, 06:53 PM
We are not responsible for how the next generation wants to run the world. We can only impart our wisdom, our values, etc. and they must construct and live in the world they create. So you ask: Who planted that seed? The answer is: We did.

Bruce

Bruce, if the present generation is not responsible for the next, why did the founding fathers bother to write a constition that we all try to live by? Yes, I read the second sentence, but the first sentence blunts it to almost nothing. IMO Or are we both trying to say the same thing?

gsc
11-11-2008, 06:55 PM
[QUOTE=John Kelder;358122]
... gas is $1.679 here .How about that war affecting prices at the pump ? [QUOTE]

Gas just dropped to $3.09 yesterday.

John Kelder
11-12-2008, 02:03 PM
[QUOTE=John Kelder;358122]
... gas is $1.679 here .How about that war affecting prices at the pump ? [QUOTE]

Gas just dropped to $3.09 yesterday.

Dropped from what ? You need that drink more than I do , I think .

K G
11-15-2008, 12:34 PM
Yeah....that'll tell 'em.....I guess we'll see urban crime drop exponentially now that BHO is in da howwwwwwwwwwwse....:cool:

They were just waiting for his okay to become upstanding citizens, right, Bruce? :rolleyes:

Word regards,

kg

John Kelder
11-18-2008, 09:55 AM
Here's what President-elect Obama had to say about the matter:

"Here is my attitude: I think people passing a law against people wearing sagging pants is a waste of time. We should be focused on creating jobs, improving our schools, health care, dealing with the war in Iraq, and anybody, any public official, that is worrying about sagging pants probably needs to spend some time focusing on real problems out there. Having said that, brothers should pull up their pants. You are walking by your mother, your grandmother, your underwear is showing. What's wrong with that? Come on. There are some issues that we face, that you don't have to pass a law, but that doesn't mean folks can't have some sense and some respect for other people and, you know, some people might not want to see your underwear - I'm one of them."




Bruce

But BHO still wanted the miscreants vote .And to all the "brothers " he mentions .if you vote for someone based on the color of skin you are as racist as they come .

Matt McKenzie
11-18-2008, 10:13 AM
Here's what President-elect Obama had to say about the matter:

"Here is my attitude: I think people passing a law against people wearing sagging pants is a waste of time. We should be focused on creating jobs, improving our schools, health care, dealing with the war in Iraq, and anybody, any public official, that is worrying about sagging pants probably needs to spend some time focusing on real problems out there. Having said that, brothers should pull up their pants. You are walking by your mother, your grandmother, your underwear is showing. What's wrong with that? Come on. There are some issues that we face, that you don't have to pass a law, but that doesn't mean folks can't have some sense and some respect for other people and, you know, some people might not want to see your underwear - I'm one of them."




Bruce

Wow, something Obama and I agree on.