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JDogger
11-05-2008, 08:52 PM
WASHINGTON—In a press conference held this morning on the White House lawn, President Bush formally asked the assembled press corps and members of his own administration if, in light of the today's election, he could stop being the president now. "So it's over, right? Can I stop being president now?" Bush said after striding to the podium in a Texas Rangers cap and flannel shirt, carrying a fully packed suitcase. "Let's just say I'm done as of now. Presidency over." When informed by Washington Post reporter David Broder that his presidency would continue through early January, Bush stared at him quizzically, sighed, and shuffled silently back into the White House.

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AmiableLabs
11-05-2008, 09:01 PM
When Bush got elected the first time it was right after all the acrimony surrounding the impeachment of Bill Clinton. Bush promised a "new tone" where he would not attack the Democrats but instead work with them. This later came to include where he would not defend himself or his policies against partisan attacks. This allowed the left to paint him any color they wanted, attach to him anything they wanted, reshape him into anything they wanted. For eight, long, years.

Today Rush Limbaugh declared "an end to the 'new tone.'" Pointing to what it has wrought -- widespread defeat of the party that Bush leads.

Joe S.
11-05-2008, 09:13 PM
When Bush got elected the first time it was right after all the acrimony surrounding the impeachment of Bill Clinton. Bush promised a "new tone" where he would not attack the Democrats but instead work with them. This later came to include where he would not defend himself or his policies against partisan attacks. This allowed the left to paint him any color they wanted, attach to him anything they wanted, reshape him into anything they wanted. For eight, long, years.

Today Rush Limbaugh declared "an end to the 'new tone.'" Pointing to what it has wrought -- widespread defeat of the party that Bush leads.

The absolute most frightening thing here is that you believe this.

JDogger
11-05-2008, 09:18 PM
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Today Rush Limbaugh declared "an end to the 'new tone.'" Pointing to what it has wrought -- widespread defeat of the party that Bush leads.

and Rush of course, was Bush's principle disciple of the 'new tone'...right?

Hew
11-05-2008, 09:50 PM
WASHINGTON—In a press conference held this morning on the White House lawn, President Bush formally asked the assembled press corps and members of his own administration if, in light of the today's election, he could stop being the president now. "So it's over, right? Can I stop being president now?" Bush said after striding to the podium in a Texas Rangers cap and flannel shirt, carrying a fully packed suitcase. "Let's just say I'm done as of now. Presidency over." When informed by Washington Post reporter David Broder that his presidency would continue through early January, Bush stared at him quizzically, sighed, and shuffled silently back into the White House.

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Sweet fancy Moses. Please tell me you don't think this is a real news story. Even if you really did, just lie and say of course you knew it was from the famous satire site The Onion.

AmiableLabs
11-05-2008, 09:56 PM
The absolute most frightening thing here is that you believe this.
Nope, it is that you don't.

Hew
11-05-2008, 10:04 PM
When Bush got elected the first time it was right after all the acrimony surrounding the impeachment of Bill Clinton. Bush promised a "new tone" where he would not attack the Democrats but instead work with them. This later came to include where he would not defend himself or his policies against partisan attacks. This allowed the left to paint him any color they wanted, attach to him anything they wanted, reshape him into anything they wanted. For eight, long, years.

I agree completely. Bush was hailed by both parties in Texas as a governor who was bi-partisan and worked with everyone. The notion that he arrived in DC with no intention to work with the Dems is absurd and short on facts. Hell, he let Teddy Kennedy write the education bill for cripes sake.

The only thing I'd add Kevin is that a big part of the reason he didn't get down in the swill of politics was the war and his desire to be a President to all Americans in a time of conflict and not act as a political hack while US servicemen and women were dying.

JDogger
11-05-2008, 10:48 PM
Sweet fancy Moses. Please tell me you don't think this is a real news story. Even if you really did, just lie and say of course you knew it was from the famous satire site The Onion.

Yes, the Onion obviously. Sorry to confuse you. Would you like to have the link?
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/bush_can_i_stop_being_president

Can get you more if you want.

JD

Hew
11-05-2008, 10:54 PM
Thatta boy. ;-)

AmiableLabs
11-05-2008, 11:07 PM
The only thing I'd add Kevin is that a big part of the reason he didn't get down in the swill of politics was the war and his desire to be a President to all Americans in a time of conflict and not act as a political hack while US servicemen and women were dying.
That is true too.

Karl Rove defended Dubya tonight when O'Reilly brought up this same thing. Rove basically said Dubya acted in such a way he could live with himself and "look at himself in the mirror."

But there is more than staying true to yourself, there is staying true to the truth and what is right. What he practiced for eight years with "the new tone" was a form of pacifism. And look what it wrought.

achiro
11-05-2008, 11:08 PM
I agree completely. Bush was hailed by both parties in Texas as a governor who was bi-partisan and worked with everyone. The notion that he arrived in DC with no intention to work with the Dems is absurd and short on facts. Hell, he let Teddy Kennedy write the education bill for cripes sake.

The only thing I'd add Kevin is that a big part of the reason he didn't get down in the swill of politics was the war and his desire to be a President to all Americans in a time of conflict and not act as a political hack while US servicemen and women were dying.
Man I am glad there are others in this world that don't think Bush is just an ignorant evil hack.

JDogger
11-06-2008, 12:32 AM
Thatta boy. ;-)

Hey... It's the least I could do for you. How well I know, as do you, that attempts at humor may be misconstrued. In the future I will endeavor to cite and cross-reference any post I make. As, I am sure, will any responsible RTF poster.

JD;-);-)

Joe S.
11-06-2008, 07:51 AM
That is true too.

Karl Rove defended Dubya tonight when O'Reilly brought up this same thing. Rove basically said Dubya acted in such a way he could live with himself and "look at himself in the mirror."

But there is more than staying true to yourself, there is staying true to the truth and what is right. What he practiced for eight years with "the new tone" was a form of pacifism. And look what it wrought.

Pacifism? Pacifism, you say?

Explain that to the 4,200 families of dead American service members and the 35K + wounded. That is a result of pacifism?

Unbelievable Regards,

Joe S.

achiro
11-06-2008, 08:10 AM
Pacifism? Pacifism, you say?

Explain that to the 4,200 families of dead American service members and the 35K + wounded. That is a result of pacifism?

Unbelievable Regards,

Joe S.
Joe, you need to get a new tune man. You know the history of Iraq, you know why we went in and you know why we are(and need to ) still be there. TO pretend that it was anything more than it was/is is playing politics.
You also know good and well that is not what Amiable was talking about when he said pacifism but please let your hatred for Bush continue to blind you to any common sense on the subject.

Hew
11-06-2008, 08:15 AM
Pacifism? Pacifism, you say?

Explain that to the 4,200 families of dead American service members and the 35K + wounded. That is a result of pacifism?

Unbelievable Regards,

Joe S.
Somebody hasn't had their coffee yet this morning. ;-)

Amiable Labs can speak for himself, but it seems pretty clear to me that a) you're taking what he wrote way out of context, and b) that you're implying a callousness by him to the death/injury of US servicemen when there's none there (doesn't he have a son in the USMC right now?).

Joe S.
11-06-2008, 08:16 AM
Joe, you need to get a new tune man. You know the history of Iraq, you know why we went in and you know why we are(and need to ) still be there. TO pretend that it was anything more than it was/is is playing politics.
You also know good and well that is not what Amiable was talking about when he said pacifism but please let your hatred for Bush continue to blind you to any common sense on the subject.

You mean I know why we went in or why we were told we went in?

We are there because, like Secretary Powell said, we broke it, we bought it.

Actually, it is difficult to understand what Kevin is talking about. Please explain to mean what Kevin was getting at with his "pacifism" comment.

I don't hate the man, just many of his policies.

Good Morning, John -

No, I haven't had my coffee yet. Does it show that much? (Note To Self: Coffee first...)

Please, explain the context for me.

No, President Bush does not have a son in the USMC. Kevin's son did one tour in Intel up at 8th and I in D.C. and went back to school to become, I think, a teacher.

NOT Blinded By The Right Regards,

Joe S.

achiro
11-06-2008, 08:21 AM
You mean I know why we went in or why we were told we went in?

Joe S.
I mean that you can't just lay it square on the shoulders of Bush with any validity in the argument.

On October 10, the House of Representatives voted 296-133 to authorize President Bush to use force against Iraq. Later that evening, the Senate joined the House in supporting the measure by a vote of 77-23.

IowaBayDog
11-06-2008, 08:26 AM
No, President Bush does not have a son in the USMC. Kevin's son did one tour in Intel up at 8th and I in D.C. and went back to school to become, I think, a teacher.

NOT Blinded By The Right Regards,

Joe S.

8th and I is no more than a large house and parade grounds with barracks for the Silent Drill team and Presidential Guard. There are no Intel analysts or otherwise there.

You're facts are always pretty cloudy so I'm not surprised.

3.5 years at Henderson Hall in USMC Intel Regards,

Dan C.

Joe S.
11-06-2008, 09:04 AM
8th and I is no more than a large house and parade grounds with barracks for the Silent Drill team and Presidential Guard. There are no Intel analysts or otherwise there.

You're facts are always pretty cloudy so I'm not surprised.

3.5 years at Henderson Hall in USMC Intel Regards,

Dan C.

Of course, this was before you joined our board, Danny, but I seem to recall a post by Kevin saying his son was going to be stationed at 8th and I doing Intel for the USMC, but I could be mistaken. The nut of it is Kevin's son was in the USMC doing intel work in the D.C. area, that much is correct. Perhaps things have changed since you were in the Corps.

You were in intel, huh? Interesting.

I went to 8th & I for The Grand Tattoo once. Very, very impressive.

Kind Regards,

Joe S.

Marvin S
11-06-2008, 09:36 AM
But there is more than staying true to yourself, there is staying true to the truth and what is right. What he practiced for eight years with "the new tone" was a form of pacifism. And look what it wrought.


Pacifism? Pacifism, you say?

Explain that to the 4,200 families of dead American service members and the 35K + wounded. That is a result of pacifism?

Unbelievable Regards, Joe S.

I will say this Joe, the election has brought out the side of you not apparent earlier. To twist Kevin's intent into what you say is disingenuous. It is also insulting to those who knew what they were volunteering for to suggest that their sacrifice was for nought & unappreciated by those of your ilk. Apparently you are neither as kind or as knowledgeable as you attempt to portray. Or is your interest in aiding & abetting the enemy?

TBS - President Bush has frustrated those of us who have supported him throughout his years in office by his unwillingness to engage his critics at home. We all recognize that weakness in his strategy & I believe it has led to his inability to get quality individuals into top posts willing to step up for the needs of our nation.

AmiableLabs
11-06-2008, 02:27 PM
Actually, it is difficult to understand what Kevin is talking about. Please explain to mean what Kevin was getting at with his "pacifism" comment.
Difficult to understand? Everyone else got it. Follow the thread -- When I was talking about "pacifism" I was clearly addressing Bush's unwillingness to engage his critics here at home.


Kevin's son did one tour in Intel up at 8th and I in D.C. and went back to school to become, I think, a teacher.
Actually, he started at USMC HQ, which is a part of the Pentagon (adjacent to it) and completely separate from "8th and I."

He was then transferred to US CENTCOM in Pensacola, FL. While stationed there he did a six-month tour in the Middle East -- Qatar, Bahrain, and a handful of other countries. He did do classified work dealing with both Iraq and Afghanistan, but nothing in the line of fire.

He now works as a civilian contractor in Intelligence at Bolling AFB in D.C., while attending the University of Maryland at night. He intends to go into the FBI upon graduation.

AmiableLabs
11-06-2008, 02:31 PM
We all recognize that weakness in his strategy & I believe it has led to his inability to get quality individuals into top posts willing to step up for the needs of our nation.
EXCELLENT point! So true. If you are not going to defend yourself or your policies, who the heck would want to work for you?! Especially witnessing the bruising you are taking in the process?!

Great point.

Joe S.
11-06-2008, 07:33 PM
Difficult to understand? Everyone else got it. Follow the thread -- When I was talking about "pacifism" I was clearly addressing Bush's unwillingness to engage his critics here at home.

After further review, I was wrong. It is now clear to me that is what you were getting at and I missed it. Sorry.


Actually, he started at USMC HQ, which is a part of the Pentagon (adjacent to it) and completely separate from "8th and I."

He was then transferred to US CENTCOM in Pensacola, FL. While stationed there he did a six-month tour in the Middle East -- Qatar, Bahrain, and a handful of other countries. He did do classified work dealing with both Iraq and Afghanistan, but nothing in the line of fire.

He now works as a civilian contractor in Intelligence at Bolling AFB in D.C., while attending the University of Maryland at night. He intends to go into the FBI upon graduation.

Thanks for clearing it up.

Humbled Regards,

Joe S