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Ken Bora
11-06-2008, 09:10 AM
Hey Guys,
A coworker of mine asked me this yesterday at work. He is a sandal wearing tree hugger type who also is a smart and clever fellow. He and I have a great many friendly political debates. He also knows I duck hunt a lot and that I very much enjoy bringing out new people who have never hunted, to the duck blind.
So he asked, "If you were called out of the blue and the voice on the phone said please hold for President Elect Obama. And he came on the line and asked you to bring him duck hunting, would you?" He might say something like "My staff has informed me you are an excellent duck hunter and I would like to experience waterfowling. I never have been and would like to know more about it before I take office. I want to experience first hand a day in the field with dogs and guns before signing into law any legislation that may have an impact on your lifestyle. Would you help me?"
Seeing as all of us here on RTF are stunningly accomplished Waterfowlers and dog handlers, in theory the call could come to any of us. Now don't answer quickly, ponder this. It will be a big deal security wise before you take off in the dark with guns and dogs and decoys with him. You will definitely need a thorough background investigation. Your favorite spot with need to be cordoned off with a secure perimeter by the secret service. The press will need access and will leave no stone unturned (Joe Plumber effect) after the hunt. A lot of hoops to jump through just to be able to show the beauty of a sunrise over a decoy spread in you most favorite secret blind location.
Would you, if asked in such a way, take the President Elect Duck hunting? I would like to think I would.
How about it fellas?
Ken Bora

mcduck
11-06-2008, 09:24 AM
And I would hope that the current V.P would go.

Bob Gutermuth
11-06-2008, 09:40 AM
I would agree only if the senior senator from the Peoples Republic of Mass would drive him here.

Ken Bora
11-06-2008, 10:18 AM
And I would hope that the current V.P would go.
I think that would be very cool also. It seems I remember reading he had purchased some property on the Chesapeake Bay, I do not remember what state. And turned it into a duck camp. Imagin being in a duck blind on the Chesapeake at sunrise with a V.P. on one side and a P.E. on the other and a Chesapeake at your side. But seriously folks, if you had the chance to showcase the beauty, tradition, ethic and joy of woking dogs under game to the P.E., wouldent you?

I would agree only if the senior senator from the Peoples Republic of Mass would drive him here.
and Bob, are there ducks anywhere on the Chappaquiddick ?
Ken Bora

Terry Britton
11-06-2008, 10:21 AM
I would agree only if the senior senator from the Peoples Republic of Mass would drive him here.

I would. He has gotta hunt my style though and carry his full weight. I have been known to lug 7 dozen duck decoys, and 2 dozen goose decoys, and 1 mojo duck along with a shotgun in waders two miles to a hunting spot.

If he comes along, that would make for 14 dozen dekes, 4 dozen goose decoys, and an extra limit of ducks for the dog to retrieve.

I doubt he would survive the trip with his smoking and coke habit.

(Ooops... Can Cheney come along, and Ted Kennedy drive the PE?)

Bob Gutermuth
11-06-2008, 10:25 AM
The VP and Rummy both own retreats in St Michaels Talbot Co. Md. Just south of Easton.

Harry Gooch
11-06-2008, 10:44 AM
I would. But, unfotunately by Dog has higher standards.

Lisa Van Loo
11-06-2008, 10:56 AM
I would.

Show him what the reality is, so that he would have a deeper understanding of why hunters and gun owners feel the way they do. It would cut through all the sound-byte "information" that is driving policy decisions in this country.

If he is willing to listen, then we should talk. And not disrespectful, hate-filled talk, either. That kind of talk only reinforces the notion that hunters and gun owners are angry, violent people who just want to run around blasting away at things. Our image is in our own hands. Sorry to say, the Elmer Fudd image has been reinforced by this website the last few weeks.

Lisa

Nor_Cal_Angler
11-06-2008, 10:57 AM
I would hope he would call me and say something to the effect...

"HEY, I wanted to take YOU hunting, and dont worry...we will use someone elses gun's, ammo, dog, decoys, blind, and favorite spot...."

I would most likely respond with..."What are you talking about....."

and he would say...."You heard me correct...isn't this idea of lets all be fair, lets do the neighborly thing, and lets spread the weath around great!!!!!!!!!!"

and then it would hit me...and I would say "You know what, your right because Guns, Dogs, Blinds, Clubs and Ammo is getting really expensive"

NCA

Joe S.
11-06-2008, 11:05 AM
Yep, I'd take 43 or 44 duck hunting and be glad to do.

Interesting Thought Process Regards,

Joe S.

achiro
11-06-2008, 12:05 PM
I would jump at the chance!

Ken Bora
11-06-2008, 12:09 PM
I would.
Show him what the reality is, so that he would have a deeper understanding of why hunters and gun owners feel the way they do. It would cut through all the sound-byte "information" that is driving policy decisions in this country.
Lisa
Perfect Lisa! You da MAN!

Steve Amrein
11-06-2008, 01:46 PM
I would be honored as well to take any POTUS and would hope they would enjoy the experiance. Just cause I think his political views suck does not mean that he might not be a decent enough guy and I know a bunch of folks that duck hunt that I think are allhoses.

Bob Gutermuth
11-06-2008, 02:29 PM
I hope he would be a better hunting companion than Clinton. Bill showed up after dailight and managed to have a tree hugger protester show up too when he came to Taylors Island here. He managed to kill one duck on a place where everyone generally limits out.

AmiableLabs
11-06-2008, 04:00 PM
Back in 1993 when the battle over so-called assault weapons was at its peak, I was a lobbyist with the state affiliate of the NRA. We invited all the congress-critters, ALL OF THEM, to come to a shooting range at the state capital on a special day so they could learn about guns in general, and in particular the difference between semi-automatics and automatics. They could look at them close up. They could handle them. They could fire them. The NRA did the same thing in DC.

With a few exceptions, the only congress-critters that showed up were already on our side. The people that we really needed to reach, those in complete opposition to us, didn't show up. "My mind is already made up, please don't confuse me with the facts."

You may have the very best of intentions, but they have an agenda and there is almost never any getting around that.

Now, so you don't get the wrong idea, on a personal level we got along fine with most of the antigun congress-critters. After the legislative day was over, we would go to a bar and drink and play darts and have a great time together with them. My best friend was an anti-gun freshman from Chicago who was leading Mayor Daley's fight to ban handguns. But that was after work. During the day they have a job to do.

Chris Meyer
11-06-2008, 04:39 PM
I would. But, unfotunately by Dog has higher standards.

I don't mean to start an argument in this thread, but that is hilarious! On a more serious note, I definitely would. To have a possible anti gun law maker join me on a hunt and to express how safe it is when done correctly could do wonders for us hunters.

John Kelder
11-06-2008, 06:32 PM
Do I have to bring him back ????

Patrick Johndrow
11-06-2008, 06:41 PM
Never EVER would even think about it...with my luck something would happen and I would spend the rest of my life behind bars. Not any President past, present or future

Pete
11-06-2008, 09:12 PM
I'm sure I will be ripped for this one
but Even though he is probably a nice guy has a great smile and means no one any harm''
I would have a problem huntingwith him ,,,sitting down to dinner with him or even shaking his hand. And no I don't hate the guy. he is actually quite likeable.

However he is an advocate for socialism,,,something I am addimantly against. And he will steer our country in that direction. I am anti all that jazz and would not compromise what ever interety I may have in sharing a moment or sharing a meal with,, or being introduced by the bonding of a handshake.

If he represented another country I would have no problem enjoying a hunt or a meal or an intro by hand shake. His policies have very little affect on me in theory.
However I love my country to much to indulge in pleasantries with someone who will take this country down a path in which I cringe to see it go.
Anyway its a different perspective
Pete

Pete
11-06-2008, 09:18 PM
I'm sure I will be ripped for this one
but Even though he is probably a nice guy has a great smile and means no one any harm''
I would have a problem huntingwith him ,,,sitting down to dinner with him or even shaking his hand. And no I don't hate the guy. he is actually quite likeable.

However he is an advocate for socialism,,,something I am addimantly against. And he will steer our country in that direction. I am anti all that jazz and would not compromise what ever interety I may have in sharing a moment or sharing a meal with,, or being introduced by the bonding of a handshake.

If he represented another country I would have no problem enjoying a hunt or a meal or an intro by hand shake. His policies have very little affect on me in theory.
However I love my country to much to indulge in pleasantries with someone who will take this country down a path in which I cringe to see it go.
Anyway its a different perspective
Pete

Ken Bora
11-06-2008, 10:05 PM
wow, this poll is as close as the election was!

SMITTYSSGTUSMC
11-07-2008, 08:03 AM
I would hope he would take me while visiting the nations capital recently I noticed the large number of Banded green heads waiding in the reflection pool, without the hunting pressure I'm sure we could talk about a few things that I am concerned with while getting a bag of easy birds that are all banded.


Smitty

Talk about a honey hole

Arturo
11-07-2008, 07:15 PM
wow, this poll is as close as the election was!
It's close but ........... most of the yes's are negative :D as well they should be!

mjh345
11-07-2008, 07:34 PM
I'm sure I will be ripped for this one
but Even though he is probably a nice guy has a great smile and means no one any harm''
I would have a problem huntingwith him ,,,sitting down to dinner with him or even shaking his hand. And no I don't hate the guy. he is actually quite likeable.

However he is an advocate for socialism,,,something I am addimantly against. And he will steer our country in that direction. I am anti all that jazz and would not compromise what ever interety I may have in sharing a moment or sharing a meal with,, or being introduced by the bonding of a handshake.

If he represented another country I would have no problem enjoying a hunt or a meal or an intro by hand shake. His policies have very little affect on me in theory.
However I love my country to much to indulge in pleasantries with someone who will take this country down a path in which I cringe to see it go.
Anyway its a different perspective
Pete

It would be real hard for Obama to match Bush's record for turning this country towards Socialism

Pete
11-08-2008, 09:15 AM
It would be real hard for Obama to match Bush's record for turning this country towards Socialism

At this point I fell pretty much the same about Bush
A proven traitor in my book.
When you think about it ,,,,I think I'd behave the same way around most politians.
They all have the spines of a wet noodle. Sorry I can't find a link to that. Its just my opinion


Pete

DEDEYE
11-08-2008, 10:17 AM
Heck yes I would!

Gun_Dog2002
11-08-2008, 10:22 AM
i would. It would be fun telling the man with his finger on the button commanding all of our troops gun safety.

/Paul

Bud Bass
11-08-2008, 11:01 PM
Ken, change my yes vote to no. It is just more then I want to get involved with after reading your opening post. I would refer him to you, for one I'm sure he would get more ducks in the bag with you guiding him. Bud

Buster Brown
11-10-2008, 12:12 PM
Not no... but H-E-L-L-O NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


From everything I've seen and heard he doesn't have a clue and is just barely smart enough to draw air. I don't want that man with a gun in his hand around me!

Besides that Buster hates Democrats and would most certainly bite him...and then I'd have to reward him for it...just a vicous cyle I don't want to start!

meat hunter
11-10-2008, 09:04 PM
I would be honored to go hunting with the president. He has come far for someone so dumb he can barely draw air! I guess you came to that conclusion because you don't like him? The probability of this happening is slim to none but to have the chance to share the beauty of the marsh coming alive in the morning with someone new to the experience is always rewarding if the opportunity presented itself I surely would.

RedHeadedHurricane
11-10-2008, 09:26 PM
Nnnnnnooooooo Waaaaaayyyyyy! I wouldn't dare be seen with a man that has known ties to the type of fellas he hangs out with. It's unamerican!

Buster Brown
11-11-2008, 12:31 PM
I would be honored to go hunting with the president. He has come far for someone so dumb he can barely draw air! I guess you came to that conclusion because you don't like him? The probability of this happening is slim to none but to have the chance to share the beauty of the marsh coming alive in the morning with someone new to the experience is always rewarding if the opportunity presented itself I surely would.

Meat Hunter:

I'm not sure if you voted for him you would understand but just a few examples might be that I would hope the leader of the free world would have an energy policy beyond checking your tires.... HMMMMM.....I had really hoped that the people who elected the next leader of the free world would have the sense to realize that by taxing those mean ol' oil companies that it means higher gas prices...or are you so naive to believe that you can punish them with a tax and not feel the price going up at the pump... I would hope that the American people would be smart enough to realize that you can't have it all ways... Ok so he doesn't like coal and said he will tax them (coal fired power plants) into bankrupcy, He doesn't like nukes and vowed to stop them and he doesn't want to drill for oil...DUH!!! Let me say it again..DUH!!!! What do the folks who voted for the big "O" man want..oh I forgot they are liberals who are like a bunch of spoiled kids...Waah Waah!! Boo Hoo!!! We don't want it and we are going to hold our breath until we turn blue and we get what we want.. perhaps if you watch Star Trek maybe they can make a new energy source on the world wide Holodeck....

I restate "He is just barely smart enought o draw air"...unfortunately there are a lot of folks that are even dumber than he is and actually think he should be their leader. I am aghast! I am truely aghast.

Ken Newcomb
11-11-2008, 06:18 PM
Heck No

My duck blind is a place of enjoyment.

I cannot pretend to like someone who's objetive is to destroy my business and my hobbies.

If he had to come would only hope he not make it back.

sbakerz71
11-12-2008, 06:40 AM
No way in hell I would take him!!! I would'nt even shake his hand.

I would'nt piss in his ears if his brains were on fire.

cotts135
11-12-2008, 07:52 AM
Only if he proved to me he had taken a hunter safety course and he could assure me he could distinguish between a bird and a man.:D

Malcolm
11-17-2008, 04:42 PM
I would definitely take him! What a privilege to introduce someone new to a sport I love!

We have relish oppurtunities to show the true side of our sports, instead of letting someone else tell our story.

FYI - when you bury your head in the sand your A$$ is still exposed!

Holla!!

Ken Bora
07-06-2009, 10:58 AM
Time to bump this up, the first dog needs to get ready for it’s first hunting season. So many of us type it is all about the dogs. So the phone rings, It is the President, needs a training group to get some marks with birds for his dog. Whole lot of RTF folk in driving distance. Would you invite the President and his dog into your training group if asked?

badbullgator
07-06-2009, 11:11 AM
His dog yes.........

Ken Newcomb
07-06-2009, 01:47 PM
Nope, we have someone that was in our training group that makes Obama look like a Saint and he is never invited back either.

Juli H
07-06-2009, 02:36 PM
Nope - but I would take Gov. Palin! Girls day out!

Juli

Steve Amrein
07-06-2009, 04:44 PM
I would like to talk to him first. I would make ity understood what we do and how it works. I would not allow it to be a publicity stunt. I dont believe that dogs really lie and that he would be invited back if he truely was trying to train. Those guys in the black coats and dark glasses look like they could really throw a duck. They might get hot all day. Sadley I dont think that guy has it in him or ever will nor does he get it. Besides the training grounds at his house are pretty boring;-)

Bayou Magic
07-06-2009, 05:08 PM
This reminds me of an incident when Clinton was in office. My brother in law was in upper management of Arkla Gas (now Reliant) and had worked directly for McLarty who was tapped to be Clinton's Chief of Staff. Rick was "invited" by McLarty to join the President for a dinner.

Rick's response: No thanks, I have plans.

His plans were riding bikes with his sister and brother and their spouses. It was a 100 mile and 100K race in Shreveport La. Rick did not dine with Clinton. We completed the race as planned.

fp

badbullgator
07-06-2009, 05:15 PM
Nope - but I would take Gov. Palin! Girls day out!

Juli


Former gov Palin;-)

kimsmith
07-06-2009, 06:06 PM
The only way I could take him hunting is he would have to be blind folded. I wouldn't want him to spread the wealth and let everyone know were my honey hole is. I wouldn't mind his secret service guys taking care of the hole next to mine. The way the Feds and State wardens came into our hole the last couple of years, I thought is was the secret service. I wouldn't mind someone bringing my gear in for me and getting up to cook breakfast every morning. He also couldn't tell everyone about the Ivory Bill Wood Peckers that stay close to our hole.

Juli H
07-06-2009, 07:41 PM
Former gov Palin;-)

well, not quite...I suppose when duck season rolls around she will be....unless I take her with me on a subsistence duck hunt...but I would be the only one that could shoot...LOL...

Juli

kcrumpy9
07-07-2009, 10:15 PM
I would in a heart beat. To the first question.

Like others have said previously why wouldn't you want someone who knows little about the sport to learn about it and know what it truly is about. I know plenty of adults who have never shot a gun or handled one, that have been taken to a shooting range and love it or have a whole new respect for the game.

The only thing is I don't have a honey hole, I have to stay on Public access.

I would also say yes to the bump up. Like I said before why not show someone the ropes of something they'd inquired about.

This is where you could also have conversations with him, expressing your concerns and your beliefs. You could help him understand the hunt retriever game and he might be able to give you insight why he makes the decisions he makes. Now all of this more than likely wouldn't happen during the hunt or training but, afterwards during some down time.

Jacob Hawkes
07-08-2009, 08:42 AM
Absolutely & unequivocally yes. I'd do it without it being about a bill for that matter. It's all about learning a new perspective on things. Even though I might disagree completely on a lot of his political views, I am certainly not naive that I can't enjoy the trip. When you've met as many people as I have, you realize everybody has a story to tell and you can learn from them. What better place to hear it than your favorite duck hole, over breakfast, and between big groups of ducks. :cool::cool:

kjrice
07-08-2009, 10:05 AM
I would defer to Cheney as the guide.

M&K's Retrievers
07-08-2009, 10:45 AM
Only if I could shoot his limit...no, not even then