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Bob Gutermuth
11-06-2008, 12:00 PM
His list of possible appointments is a far left who is who. What are Caroline Kennedy's qualifications to do anything in govt?

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/elections/national/Bamalot_Obama_Drafts_Star-Studded_Short_List.html

achiro
11-06-2008, 12:12 PM
RFK Jr as the environmental secretary! Wow!!!!

Joe S.
11-06-2008, 12:20 PM
His list of possible appointments is a far left who is who. What are Caroline Kennedy's qualifications to do anything in govt?

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/elections/national/Bamalot_Obama_Drafts_Star-Studded_Short_List.html

Robert,

What, exactly, disqualifies Caroline Kennedy from doing the job of US Ambassador to the United Nations?

While this won't come as a shock, I didn't see anyone on the list that struck me as a really bad choice.

Just Wondering Regards,

Joe S.

Julie R.
11-06-2008, 01:08 PM
Well Joe, to be an advisor to a man whose governing experience consists of community activism and preening in front of the camera, you'd think he'd pick people who might actually have experience. That list makes it look like anyone with enough money can buy a Cabinet position. Wondering which position Oprah bought regards....

Joe S.
11-06-2008, 01:30 PM
Well Joe, to be an advisor to a man whose governing experience consists of community activism and preening in front of the camera, you'd think he'd pick people who might actually have experience. That list makes it look like anyone with enough money can buy a Cabinet position. Wondering which position Oprah bought regards....

Julie, I'm surprised at your comments.

The Cabinet includes the Vice President and the heads of 15 executive departments-the Secretaries of Agriculture, Commerce, Defense, Education, Energy, Health and Human Services, Homeland Security, Housing and Urban Development, Interior, Labor, State, Transportation, Treasury, and Veterans Affairs, and the Attorney General.

Under President George W. Bush, Cabinet-level rank also has been accorded to the Administrator, Environmental Protection Agency; Director, Office of Management and Budget; the Director, National Drug Control Policy; and the U.S. Trade Representative.

Who said anything about anyone buying a Cabinet position?

Which person on Bob's list is not qualified for a position and is therefore trying to buy a Cabinet position?

Again, based on the list that Bob supplied, what disqualifies Caroline Kennedy from being Ambassador to the United Nations which IS NOT a Cabinet position?

Help Me Better Understand Regards,

Joe S.

AmiableLabs
11-06-2008, 02:38 PM
RFK Jr as the environmental secretary! Wow!!!!
Of all the speculations, that is the scariest.

You think the DOW is tanking now -- announce that appointment!

My gawd.

Scott Greenwood
11-06-2008, 02:49 PM
This is why it is still possible appointments. Last I heard he had just appointed one person. This is just a list that anyone could throw out there. More scare tactics like usual from the right.

Joe S.
11-06-2008, 02:55 PM
Of all the speculations, that is the scariest.

You think the DOW is tanking now -- announce that appointment!

My gawd.

Hummm...one would have thought you would have been pleased with this announcement. He is an outdoorsman that seems qualified and has worked on environmental law issues.

Master Falconer

Avid white-water rafter

Restored the Hudson River by taking polluters to court

Clinical Professor of Environmental Law and co-director of the Pace Environmental Litigation Clinic

Senior attorney for the Natural Resources Defense Council

Other than he is a democrat and a Kennedy, what, exactly, is it that you don't like about him?

Kind Regards,

Joe S.

Bob Gutermuth
11-06-2008, 02:59 PM
She has a law degree, which qualifies one to do nothing save practice law. No indication of any education or experience in diplomacy. If you want to give someone a diplomatic appointment that has no experience, then you appoint them to a nice non controversial job with an allied nation(In her case Ireland or The Vatican would be befitting) but not to a job like the UN. That agency is already basically anti-US, we need a professional diplomat there who knows how to stick up for American interests.

I suppose Joe for Oil who has been a total syncophant for Hugo Chavez and shills for his cheap oil will be in line for Ambassador to Venezula

AmiableLabs
11-06-2008, 03:06 PM
This is just a list that anyone could throw out there. More scare tactics like usual from the right.
Buy a clue -- these names are not being leaked by Republicans. :roll:

And you characterize them as "scare tactics." Priceless. :lol:

Scott Greenwood
11-06-2008, 03:12 PM
Exactly, Repuplicans, what do they have to do with this administration. Like I said "scare tactics" from the right. Don't forget to get back on your rocker.

AmiableLabs
11-06-2008, 03:20 PM
Other than he is a democrat and a Kennedy, what, exactly, is it that you don't like about him?
I have heard him interviewed many times and he is an environmental whack-0. He is in favor of $10 a gallon gasoline to weed people off of fossil fuels. He wants to outlaw all SUVs and all pick-ups, and mandate 40mpg on all new cars.

He wrote an article about global warming causing Hurricane Katrina. He wrote another article linking mercury to childhood autism. Neither have any basis in fact.

He opposes all new oil drilling everywhere, he opposes nuclear power, he opposes clean coal, he is a huge advocate of wind power except when it is in his backyard of Nantucket Sound.

AmiableLabs
11-06-2008, 03:25 PM
Exactly, Repuplicans, what do they have to do with this administration. Like I said "scare tactics" from the right.
You still don't get it!

These names are NOT coming from Republicans! They are coming from two sources. First, they are coming from the people who are actively seeking the job, like John Kerry and Bill Richardson both want the SoS position, so they are leaking their own names. Second, they are trial balloons from within the Obama administration itself -- floating possible appointments to see if anything comes out that can pop it ahead of time instead of after the appointment.

So you have Democrats leaking these names, and you characterize them as "scary" thinking they are coming from Republican sources! :lol: That is priceless!!

Julie R.
11-06-2008, 03:56 PM
Who said anything about anyone buying a Cabinet position?

Which person on Bob's list is not qualified for a position and is therefore trying to buy a Cabinet position?

Again, based on the list that Bob supplied, what disqualifies Caroline Kennedy from being Ambassador to the United Nations which IS NOT a Cabinet position?

Help Me Better Understand Regards,

Joe S.

Fox news is the one who made the comment about Oprah being able to buy any position she wanted and the rest of the list certainly seems to be a who's who of rich and famous, full of flash and cash, but short on substance. As far as Caroline Kennedy (whom I've met by the way, and she seems to be a very sweet person) You've got to be kidding. Now granted she does have a very nice pedigree and education at the *right* schools to please the limousine liberal factor, but she has zero experience. A lightweight like Obama might serve his adoring subjects better by hiring someone with actual experience in areas where he has none. Especially as Russian Pres. Medvedev welcomes him by deploying nukes on the NATO border.

Buzz
11-06-2008, 04:22 PM
Especially as Russian Pres. Medvedev welcomes him by deploying nukes on the NATO border.

Um, those are not nukes. They are missiles with conventional warheads.

And last time I checked, Bush is still president.

Julie R.
11-06-2008, 05:03 PM
Um, those are not nukes. They are missiles with conventional warheads.

And last time I checked, Bush is still president.

Well, yes; Bush is still President, but it's not an accident those missiles were positioned when they were. They're surface to surface missiles that are capable of carrying a nuclear payload--but I guess you think Medvedev or Putin would let us inspect them before deploying?



Mr Medvedev's speech had been postponed twice and commentators in Moscow say it is no accident that the Kremlin decided it should be delivered on the day the United States presidential election results were announced.
They suggested that Russia was deliberately attempting to test Mr Obama's mettle.

And then there's this:


Ordinary Russians were sneering about the entire election, which was characterized in the frequently chauvinistic popular media as a contest between a senile grandfather and a black man of dubious credentials and intellect. American voters were portrayed as "popcorn and hamburger eating idiots" by one newspaper.
Several tabloids incorrectly reported that the main message of Mr Obama's final campaign speech was a call on young African Americans not to let their underpants show above the waistline of the jeans.


It's nice to know that the Russians think the next leader of the free world is a lightweight. Hence, my feeling that annointing a Kennedy society matron as Ambassador to the U.N. probably isn't a real good idea. But, that's just my little ole opinion.

Here's the whole article, if you care to read it.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/barackobama/3385988/Russia-welcomes-Barack-Obama-with-deployment-of-nuclear-capable-missiles.html

K.Bullock
11-06-2008, 05:08 PM
Well Joe, to be an advisor to a man whose governing experience consists of community activism and preening in front of the camera, you'd think he'd pick people who might actually have experience. That list makes it look like anyone with enough money can buy a Cabinet position. Wondering which position Oprah bought regards....

The Presidency

K.Bullock
11-06-2008, 05:10 PM
Buy a clue -- these names are not being leaked by Republicans. :roll:

And you characterize them as "scare tactics." Priceless. :lol:

Rolling on the floor laughing ...really now that has got to be the greatest political post of 2008.:lol:

Joe S.
11-06-2008, 07:58 PM
As far as Caroline Kennedy (whom I've met by the way, and she seems to be a very sweet person) You've got to be kidding.

No, not kidding, interested in your thought process. We never really talked about political stuff when we were training...well...not this kind of political stuff anyway. ;-)


Now granted she does have a very nice pedigree and education at the *right* schools to please the limousine liberal factor, but she has zero experience.

Really? All those years in the public spotlight, plus her education, plus the corporate work and she has zero experience to sit at a table or in a meeting and voice the position of the United States of America IAW the instructions of the President of the United States. One that she will be fully briefed on in advance? I think you have underestimated her ability.


A lightweight like Obama might serve his adoring subjects better by hiring someone with actual experience in areas where he has none. Especially as Russian Pres. Medvedev welcomes him by deploying nukes on the NATO border.

While President-elect Obama may be a lightweight to some, it is worth pointing out that 52% of those that voted found him to be the superior lightweight when compared to all other options presented.

Russia was going to deploy those missles on the Polish border regardless of who was elected. It is not a big deal, it was an expectation.

Take Care Regards,

Joe S.

Buzz
11-06-2008, 08:11 PM
Russia was going to deploy those missles on the Polish border regardless of who was elected. It is not a big deal, it was an expectation.

Take Care Regards,

Joe S.

Naaa, I think it's better if we all whip ourselves into a frenzy and hit the panic button.

Joe S.
11-06-2008, 09:30 PM
I have heard him interviewed many times and he is an environmental whack-0. He is in favor of $10 a gallon gasoline to weed people off of fossil fuels. He wants to outlaw all SUVs and all pick-ups, and mandate 40mpg on all new cars.

He wrote an article about global warming causing Hurricane Katrina. He wrote another article linking mercury to childhood autism. Neither have any basis in fact.

He opposes all new oil drilling everywhere, he opposes nuclear power, he opposes clean coal, he is a huge advocate of wind power except when it is in his backyard of Nantucket Sound.

I thought RFK wrote the autism article in 2005 when much less was know about the widely suspected link. I have read where Global Warming is expected to intensify weather and some suggest it may cause shifts in weather patterns but I had not read that it was the cause of Katrina.

Had not seen the other articles but would be interested in reading them if you have the links.

Here is something I found interesting:

http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/3933/twenty_two_to_know/

Best Regards,

Joe S.

Gerry Clinchy
11-07-2008, 11:33 AM
While President-elect Obama may be a lightweight to some, it is worth pointing out that 52% of those that voted found him to be the superior lightweight when compared to all other options presented.


Two points on this:
I'm no fan of Howard Stern, but his street interviews of Obama supporters (we'll never really know if these individuals actually voted) and their total lack of knowledge of the issues was astounding. Not to mention that they even thought Palin was Obama's running mate.

If these individuals did vote (and others like them), then our voting system doesn't really prove it's anything but a popularity contest ... and the basis for the "popularity" of one candidate over the other is quite uninformed at best. Were there more voters of this type for Obama than for McCain. Nobody could really answer that question, I don't think. Anybody for either party with such limited knowledge of what's going on with the issues makes a joke of the election process.

Secondly, so little is mentioned about ACORN with whom Obama was associated for quite a long term ... actually being a trainer for the corps of people to find new voter registrants. The methods for which ACORN is being prosecuted in multiple states, if left unchecked, make a mockery of the election system. It wouldn't matter to me which party they supported. In this case they happen to be Obama supportive.

These two things make me wonder whether it's even worth voting anymore. Is it worth trying to be informed to make as good a choice as possible when such a vote is so easily over-ridden by hundreds of other votes that have a whimsical basis for their choices?

I would agree that there should be no discriminaton on who is allowed to vote, but it sure does seem that there should be some way to improve the quality of voter information available rather than just leaving it to the media and campaign ads and speeches.

Paul Johnson
11-07-2008, 01:17 PM
I have heard him interviewed many times and he is an environmental whack-0. He is in favor of $10 a gallon gasoline to weed people off of fossil fuels. He wants to outlaw all SUVs and all pick-ups, and mandate 40mpg on all new cars.

He wrote an article about global warming causing Hurricane Katrina. He wrote another article linking mercury to childhood autism. Neither have any basis in fact.

He opposes all new oil drilling everywhere, he opposes nuclear power, he opposes clean coal, he is a huge advocate of wind power except when it is in his backyard of Nantucket Sound.

An elaboration:

He opposes wind turbines off the coast of the Kennedy compound.

A couple of additions:

He flies around in his private jet.
He has a fleet to cars.

Henry V
11-07-2008, 02:04 PM
How come I don't see anyone on that list associated with the Arabian Horse Association? You know, someone like a judges and stewards commissioner. I hear there are great people in this organization to appoint to high positions in government.

How come there are no socialists on the list? Or are there? Can someone please point them out?

Bob Gutermuth
11-07-2008, 03:17 PM
Yahoo is reporting that Eric Holder may be a candidate for AG. That is an appointment far scarier than Janet Reno in my book

Joe S.
11-07-2008, 03:25 PM
Yahoo is reporting that Eric Holder may be a candidate for AG. That is an appointment far scarier than Janet Reno in my book

If the right was willing to accept the selection and confirmation of AG Alberto Gonzalez, it may be difficult for them to mount an effective effort to stop Mr. Holder.

Just A Thought Regards,

Joe S.

Paul Johnson
11-07-2008, 03:39 PM
If the right was willing to accept the selection and confirmation of AG Alberto Gonzalez, it may be difficult for them to mount an effective effort to stop Mr. Holder.

Just A Thought Regards,

Joe S.

I hope the "right" use their filibuster to protect my second amendment rights and to force the "left" to nominate and approve moderate (rather then liberal) Supreme Court Justices.

AmiableLabs
11-07-2008, 04:12 PM
Yahoo is reporting that Eric Holder may be a candidate for AG.
Here in Chicagoland there is a lot of talk the machine is pushing for Patrick Fitzgerald as AG. They want all these investigations into Rezko, Blagojevich, Giannoulias, Daley, and ultimately possibly Obama himself, to all go away.

Bob Gutermuth
11-07-2008, 04:40 PM
Gonzalles was an improvement on Ashcroft

YardleyLabs
11-07-2008, 04:59 PM
Yahoo is reporting that Eric Holder may be a candidate for AG. That is an appointment far scarier than Janet Reno in my book

Bob, I would think he would be a man after your own heart -- originally appointed by Ronald Reagan, served as acting AG under Bush, and managed to keep Chiquita Banana execs out of jail despite their support of death squads in Columbia.:p

YardleyLabs
11-07-2008, 05:02 PM
I hope the "right" use their filibuster to protect my second amendment rights and to force the "left" to nominate and approve moderate (rather then liberal) Supreme Court Justices.
I guess then the Dems could borrow all the old Republican speeches while threatening to revive the "nuclear option" to force an up or down vote. Personally, I think that the Dems should pursue judicial appointments with the same single minded zeal shown by conservatives over the last eight years. They will not be able to balance out what GWB has done, but they need to make an effort.

Bob Gutermuth
11-07-2008, 05:20 PM
Looks like Rep Emanuel was a director at Fannie Mae during scandal.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6201900&page=1

Losthwy
11-07-2008, 07:29 PM
He wrote an article about global warming causing Hurricane Katrina.... Neither have any basis in fact.

Many scientists hold the belief the warmer climate/warmer ocean waters have a direct impact on the number and severity of hurricanes.

Marvin S
11-07-2008, 07:55 PM
Many scientists hold the belief the warmer climate/warmer ocean waters have a direct impact on the number and severity of hurricanes.

There was a discussion on this subject some time back. It seems that those who profess the theory of "global warming" are directly dependent on that pimping for their livelihood.

I have read nothing or know of no credible individuals who subscribe to the theory of "global warming" as fact. But why is it that you don't hold the head pimps to the same standard they want the rest of us to live to? Oh, they buy ficticious "carbon credits".

It's a normal climate cycle.

AmiableLabs
11-07-2008, 08:16 PM
Many scientists hold the belief the warmer climate/warmer ocean waters have a direct impact on the number and severity of hurricanes.
How many of those scientists say as RFK, Jr. that global warming did cause Katrina in fact and not theory?

None? Thought so. :roll:

Joe S.
11-07-2008, 08:20 PM
Gonzalles was an improvement on Ashcroft

Not according to the people who worked at the Department of Justice.

AG Gonzales was shown to be pretty much a clueless political hack who did for the DOJ exactly what Brown did for FEMA. He was largely seen as incapable of managing urine out of a cowboy boot with the instructions written in plain english on the heel.

His legal mind was considered sub-par with the sole reason for his "success" being traced back to his loyalty to the President.

Despite general thoughts, I think that AG Ashcroft, in the end, had the courage to stand up for the American people and that is what lead to his departure.

Just A Couple Of Thoughts Regards,

Joe S.

Joe S.
11-07-2008, 08:24 PM
How many of those scientists say as RFK, Jr. that global warming did cause Katrina in fact and not theory?

None? Thought so. :roll:

Sure would like to read that article if you have a link. I haven't been able to find it.

Thanks In Advance Regards,

Joe S.

IowaBayDog
11-07-2008, 08:31 PM
Not according to the people who worked at the Department of Justice.

AG Gonzales was shown to be pretty much a clueless political hack who did for the DOJ exactly what Brown did for FEMA. He was largely seen as incapable of managing urine out of a cowboy boot with the instructions written in plain english on the heel.

His legal mind was considered sub-par with the sole reason for his "success" being traced back to his loyalty to the President.

Despite general thoughts, I think that AG Ashcroft, in the end, had the courage to stand up for the American people and that is what lead to his departure.

Just A Couple Of Thoughts Regards,

Joe S.


Wow, if a conservative said something like that about a minority in a Dem administration he'd probably get called a racist. Good thing Clinton hardly had any so we didn't have to worry about it.

Joe S.
11-07-2008, 08:42 PM
Wow, if a conservative said something like that about a minority in a Dem administration he'd probably get called a racist. Good thing Clinton hardly had any so we didn't have to worry about it.

You are suggesting that President Clinton hardly had any minorities in his administration? Is that correct?

I think you have a man-crush on me, Danny. I can send you a signed 8x10 glossy if you would like.

Take A Deep Breath Regards,

Joe S.

IowaBayDog
11-07-2008, 09:30 PM
You are suggesting that President Clinton hardly had any minorities in his administration? Is that correct?

I think you have a man-crush on me, Danny. I can send you a signed 8x10 glossy if you would like.

Take A Deep Breath Regards,

Joe S.


Wow, Racism and Homophobia all on one page of posts.

Ain't Liberal Tolerance Grand Regards.

AmiableLabs
11-07-2008, 09:52 PM
Sure would like to read that article if you have a link. I haven't been able to find it.
You really expect me to believe you looked? Bull. His Wikipedia entry links to it! CLICK here. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_F._Kennedy,_Jr.)Google "Kennedy 'global warming' katrina" and hundreds of articles come up that link to it. CLICK here. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-f-kennedy-jr/for-they-that-sow-the-_b_6396.html) You looked for it without looking in Wikipedia or Google? Yeah right. :roll:

There are also YouTube videos where he says it on camera as well.

Joe S.
11-07-2008, 10:05 PM
You really expect me to believe you looked? Bull. His Wikipedia entry links to it! CLICK here. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_F._Kennedy,_Jr.)Google "Kennedy 'global warming' katrina" and hundreds of articles come up that link to it. CLICK here. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-f-kennedy-jr/for-they-that-sow-the-_b_6396.html) You looked for it without looking in Wikipedia or Google? Yeah right. :roll:

There are also YouTube videos where he says it on camera as well.

Thanks for the help.

If I understand you correctly, you are saying RFK said Katrina was caused by global warming. I didn't read that. I read this:

"Well, the science is clear. This month, a study published in the journal Nature by a renowned MIT climatologist linked the increasing prevalence of destructive hurricanes to human-induced global warming."

And I read this:

"Now we are all learning what itís like to reap the whirlwind of fossil fuel dependence which Barbour and his cronies have encouraged. Our destructive addiction has given us a catastrophic war in the Middle East and--now--Katrina is giving our nation a glimpse of the climate chaos we are bequeathing our children."

Where does he say Katrina was caused by global warming? Or did I miss something else?

Thanks In Advance Regards,

Joe S.

Matt McKenzie
11-08-2008, 08:32 AM
Many scientists hold the belief the warmer climate/warmer ocean waters have a direct impact on the number and severity of hurricanes.

Judging by the number and severity of hurricanes over the last two years (relative to the last two decades), does that mean we are experiencing global cooling?

Or is it just possible that many variables influence hurricane frequency and severity and some just like to point out one factor (global temperature) that could be involved and use it as a scare tactic to advance their agenda?
I believe that there is evidence that the overall global temperature has increased over the last 150 years. I believe that there is evidence that the earth has experienced significant cyclical changes in temperature throughout the course of geological history.

I believe that there is conjecture that "greenhouse gasses" produced by humans have an influence on global temperature. The "evidence" I have seen is circumstantial, incomplete and conflicting. I cannot say that our actions don't influence global temperature. On the other hand, based on the research I've seen, I cannot say that we have any significant influence at all. This is supposed to be science, not religion, so I'm not going to just take it on faith that man-made global warming is real. Because the issue has become a blunt instrument of political power, I'm not sure we will ever know the real truth.

Losthwy
11-08-2008, 09:16 AM
Aside from the incompendent Gonzalas, the Bush administration also hired over 150 lawyers from Regent, Pat Robertson's "tier four" school. A "tier four" is the lowest rating that school can receive.

Buzz
11-08-2008, 12:16 PM
Aside from the incompendent Gonzalas, the Bush administration also hired over 150 lawyers from Regent, Pat Robertson's "tier four" school. A "tier four" is the lowest rating that school can receive.

It will be gratifying to see them get their walking papers.

Joe S.
11-08-2008, 01:54 PM
Because the issue has become a blunt instrument of political power, I'm not sure we will ever know the real truth.

I think there is some truth to this statement as well.

Cat 6 Regards,

Joe S.