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Richard Halstead
02-17-2009, 01:35 PM
Just wondering what the cost are for AFO to operate? I would think with the economy the way it is the Govt. would think about trying to save money instead of traveling to Denver at an estimated 35-40,000 per hour. We have to try to cut costs why should they be flying willy nilly around the country?

badbullgator
02-17-2009, 01:58 PM
I don't think it is an issue really, the cost is the same for every POTUS and moving what they do cost money. It is an expence that goes with the office. What is good use vs bad use?? that is a fair question I guess, but it has always been done and I am sure BHO would explaine to you that he is just stimulating the economy :)

Richard Halstead
02-17-2009, 02:01 PM
this is an estimate for Bush Traveling to Iraq: (from a different site)

Crawfish TX to Andrews AFB: about 4 hours
Andrews AFB to Saddam International: 10 hours
on the ground in Baghdad: 2.5 hours
return to Crawfish via Andrews: 14 hours

About 30.5 hours or $1,227,625 for this photo op.

badbullgator
02-17-2009, 02:30 PM
this is an estimate for Bush Traveling to Iraq: (from a different site)

Crawfish TX to Andrews AFB: about 4 hours
Andrews AFB to Saddam International: 10 hours
on the ground in Baghdad: 2.5 hours
return to Crawfish via Andrews: 14 hours

About 30.5 hours or $1,227,625 for this photo op.

Granted it is a LOT of money but it was a bit more than a photo op. Not sure what date that trip was, but troop moral and to show the world and the Iraqís that the POTUS COULD come to Iraq has to be accounted for. I am not saying this particular trip was a good use of our money, but I canít say it is a bad thing either. It cost money to move and protect the POTUS and his staff or others traveling with him. What alternative do you suggest? Maybe a ship, car to stuff in the continental US? Not sure sitting in the White House gets it done either.
I donít know enough to really say, but arenít a lot of those costs going to the military and the Secret Service? Some if not most of that other than fuel would be paid to those guys weather they are sitting around or taking care of business. Kind of like firemen, they are getting paid weather they are putting out a fire or sleeping at the station.

Richard Halstead
02-17-2009, 02:40 PM
That is not my comment it came from the original poster and I forgot to cut that portion.

Uncle Bill
02-17-2009, 04:30 PM
It's never cheap, Richard. You do realize that cost is for TWO (2) AFOs. There is always the "dummy" cost as well.

UB

duk4me
02-17-2009, 05:11 PM
I know that AFO carries extra expenses but 1.2 million? That just doesnt seem accurate.

What would a commercial flight cost.......perhaps an autoexec plane instead.

YardleyLabs
02-17-2009, 05:28 PM
I know that AFO carries extra expenses but 1.2 million? That just doesnt seem accurate.

What would a commercial flight cost.......perhaps an autoexec plane instead.
The generally used estimate of costs is over $60,000/hour. This is a bit of a red herring since much of the cost is fixed and would be incurred even if the planes sat on the ground. However, whenever the plane is flown it is accompanied by two cargo planes carrying the Presidential limos and often other planes as well with a total entourage that, at times, can total 1,000 people. When AF-1 is used for political purposes, the party is required to "reimburse" taxpayers for the equivalent of a first class air fare, which a=is a pretty good deal since the challenger is normally forced to lease a plane at much higher cost. Republicans consistently attacked Clinton for his record use of AF-1 for political travel, only to see his records broken by GWB's political uses of the plane. This is an issue that comes up all the time regardless of who is in office (http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-06-01-air-force-one_x.htm). The reality is that governance and security considerations do not leave the President with the option of traveling cheaply and personally I do not want a President who stays in the White House (or in GWB's case, Texas) too much of the time.

subroc
02-17-2009, 05:37 PM
I have no problem with the President, any President of the United States being given the full panoply of privileges that all his predecessors took advantage of including his use of AF1.

duk4me
02-17-2009, 05:42 PM
The generally used estimate of costs is over $60,000/hour. This is a bit of a red herring since much of the cost is fixed and would be incurred even if the planes sat on the ground. However, whenever the plane is flown it is accompanied by two cargo planes carrying the Presidential limos and often other planes as well with a total entourage that, at times, can total 1,000 people. When AF-1 is used for political purposes, the party is required to "reimburse" taxpayers for the equivalent of a first class air fare, which a=is a pretty good deal since the challenger is normally forced to lease a plane at much higher cost. Republicans consistently attacked Clinton for his record use of AF-1 for political travel, only to see his records broken by GWB's political uses of the plane. This is an issue that comes up all the time regardless of who is in office (http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-06-01-air-force-one_x.htm). The reality is that governance and security considerations do not leave the President with the option of traveling cheaply and personally I do not want a President who stays in the White House (or in GWB's case, Texas) too much of the time.

As in GWB case, Texas? Thats cause you don't live here, if you did you would understand .

I've read enough of your post and cked some of your statements, at least enough not to challeng you're facts, but 1 million to fly over there. It would seem smarter to me to put the POTUS on an unidentified Lear Jet, since the Saudis have so many, and fly him in there.

Lear Jet Air Force One which would be safer?

Richard Halstead
02-17-2009, 06:03 PM
I realize the president needs to move around the country and the signing of the stimulus bill was at Denver, I just wish he would give the illusion that he at least feels the pain of the falling economy.

There seems to be a flaw in our economy. When you start out you have to struggle and work hard to make ends meet, but when you are climbing the corporate ladder you have to struggle and work hard to not get caught.