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Uncle Bill
02-24-2009, 02:50 PM
...here's one opinion you may want to keep in mind...it might answer some of the 'why' questions you have about his approach. UB





Dr. Sam Vaknin has written extensively about narcissism.

Vaknin states, "I must confess I was impressed by Sen. Barack Obama from the first time I saw him. At first I was excited to see a black candidate. He looked youthful, spoke well, appeared to be confident - a wholesome presidential package.



I was put off soon, not just because of his shallowness but also because there was an air of haughtiness in his demeanor that was unsettling. His posture and his body language were louder than his empty words.



Obama's speeches are unlike any political speech we have heard in American history. Never a politician in this land had such quasi "religious" impact on so many people. The fact that Obama is a total incognito with zero accomplishment makes this inexplicable infatuation alarming.



Obama is not an ordinary man. He is not a genius. In fact he is quite ignorant on most important subjects." Barack Obama is a narcissist.





Dr. Vaknin, the author of the 'Malignant Self Love' believes Obama appears to be a narcissist." Vaknin is a world authority on narcissism. He understands narcissism and describes the inner mind of a narcissist like no other person. When he talks about narcissism everyone listens.



Vaknin says that Obama's language, posture and demeanor, and the testimonies of his closest, dearest and nearest suggest that the Senator is either a narcissist or he may have narcissistic personality disorder (NPD).

Narcissists project a grandiose but false image of themselves.


Jim Jones, the charismatic leader of People's Temple, the man who led over 900 of his followers to cheerfully commit mass suicide and even murder their own children was also a narcissist. David Koresh, Charles Manson, Joseph Koni, Shoko Asahara, Stalin, Saddam, Mao, Kim Jong Ill and Adolph Hitler are a few examples of narcissists of our time. All these men had a tremendous influence over their fanciers.



They created a personality cult around themselves and with their blazing speeches elevated their admirers, filled their hearts with enthusiasm and instilled in their minds a new zest for life.



They gave them hope! They promised them the moon, but alas, invariably they brought them to their doom. When you are a victim of a cult of personality, you don't know it until it is too late.


One determining factor in the development of NPD is childhood abuse.



"Obama's early life was decidedly chaotic and replete with traumatic and mentally bruising dislocations," says Vaknin. "Mixed-race marriages were even less common then. His parents went through a divorce when he was an infant (two years old). Obama saw his father only once again, before he died in a car accident.

Then his mother re-married and Obama had to relocate to Indonesia, a foreign land with a radically foreign culture, to be raised by a step-father. At the age of ten, he was whisked off to live with his maternal (white) grandparents. He saw his mother only intermittently in the following few years and then she vanished from his life in 1979. She died of cancer in 1995".



One must never underestimate the manipulative genius of pathological narcissists. They project such an imposing personality that it overwhelms those around them. Charmed by the charisma of the narcissist, people become like clay in his hands. They cheerfully do his bidding and delight to be at his service.



The narcissist shapes the world around him and reduces others in his own inverted image. He creates a cult of personality. His admirers become his co-dependents.



Narcissists have no interest in things that do not help them to reach their personal objective. They are focused on one thing alone and that is power. All other issues are meaningless to them and they do not want to waste their precious time on trivialities.



Anything that does not help them is beneath them and do not deserve their attention. If an issue raised in the Senate does not help Obama in one way or another, he has no interest in it.



The "present" vote is a safe vote. No one can criticize him if things go wrong. Those issues are
unworthy by their very nature because they are not about him.



Obama's election as the first black president of the Harvard Law Review led to a contract and advance to write a book about race relations. The University of Chicago Law School provided him a lot longer than expected and at the end it evolved into, guess what? His own autobiography!



Instead of writing a scholarly paper focusing on race relations, for which he had been paid, Obama could not resist writing about his most sublime self. He entitled the book Dreams from My Father.


Not surprisingly, Adolph Hitler also wrote his own autobiography when he was still nobody. So did Stalin. For a narcissist no subject is as important as his own self. Why would he waste his precious time and genius writing about insignificant things when he can write about such an august being as himself?



Narcissists are often callous and even ruthless. As the norm, they lack conscience. This is evident from Obama's lack of interest in his own brother who lives on only one dollar per month.



(Obama,) a man who lives in luxury, who takes a private jet to vacation in Hawaii, and who has raised nearly half a billion dollars for his campaign (something unprecedented in history) has no interest in the plight of his own brother.. Why? Because, his brother cannot be used for his ascent to power. A narcissist cares for no one but himself.



This (2008) election is like no other in the history of America. The issues are insignificant compared to what is at stake. What can be more dangerous than having a man bereft of conscience, a serial liar, and one who cannot distinguish his fantasies from reality as the leader of the free world? I hate to sound alarmist, but one has been fooled if one is not alarmed.



Many politicians are narcissists. They pose no threat to others... They are simply self serving and selfish. (However) Obama evidences symptoms of pathological narcissism, which is different from the run-of-the-mill narcissism of a Richard Nixon or a Bill Clinton for example.



To Obama reality and fantasy are intertwined. This is a mental health issue, not just a character flaw. Pathological narcissists are dangerous because they look normal and even intelligent. It is this disguise that makes them treacherous.



Today the Democrats have placed all their hopes in Obama. But this man could put an end to their party. The great majority of blacks have also decided to vote for Obama. Only an idiot does not know that their support for him is racially driven. This is racism, pure and simple.



The downside of this is that if Obama turns out to be the disaster I predict, he will cause widespread resentment among the whites.



The blacks are unlikely to give up their support of their man. Cultic mentality is pernicious and unrelenting. They (blacks) will dig their heads deeper in the sand and blame Obama's detractors of racism. This will cause a backlash among whites.


White supremacists will take advantage of the discontent and they will receive widespread support. I predict that in less than four years, racial tensions will increase to levels never seen since the turbulent 1960's. Obama will set the clock back decades...



The peace of the world depends on the strength of America, and its weakness translates into the
triumph of terrorism and victory of rogue nations.


It is no wonder that Ahmadinejad, Hugo Chavez, the Castrists, the Hezbollah, the Hamas, the lawyers of the Guantanamoterrorists, and virtually all sworn enemies of America are so thrilled by the prospect of their man in the White House. America is on the verge of destruction.



There is no insanity greater than electing a pathological narcissist as President.

road kill
02-24-2009, 03:01 PM
I like this place more & more every day!!

Bob Gutermuth
02-24-2009, 03:17 PM
Wouldn't waste my time listening to the Comrade POTUS.

cotts135
02-24-2009, 04:28 PM
[QUOTE=Uncle Bill;405992]...here's one opinion you may want to keep in mind...it might answer some of the 'why' questions you have about his approach. UB


I am sure this was an oversight by you and completely innocent so I will post it here. This is the same article you are quoting from but you left this part out:

Barack Obama appears to be a narcissist. Granted, only a qualified mental health diagnostician can determine whether someone suffers from Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) and this, following lengthy tests and personal interviews.

Here is someone else's point of view.
From the website:http://heliologue.com/2008/10/27/sam-vaknin-is-still-an-idiot/

Sam Vaknin is still an idiot



You’ll pardon my bluntness in the title, but I find it concise and to the point.

My entry “Sam Vaknin’s Self-Love” remains one of my most popular entries, and continues to attract a dialog/argument between refugees from various fora and user groups pertaining to narcissism and NPD. From commenter Derek comes word that Vaknin has seen fit to throw his hat into America’s current political ring by penning an amazingly obtuse and ridiculous article about Barack Obama.

Narcissism, not politics

I should pause here to point out that Vaknin’s article isn’t necessarily the usual political scree offered by such sites as TownHall, where one is likely to find the hysterical, obnoxious bloviating of a range of the Right’s rabble1. He doesn’t persist in the sinister rumors of Obama’s Muslim faith, or throw about the canard of Obama qua socialist, or really delve into many of the G.O.P. talking points/whisper campaigns at all.

But he (I’m talking about Vaknin again) does try to frame Obama in a context he understands: Narcissism. Namely, he thinks that Obama is a narcissist (it’s the first line of his article).

Vaknin’s mess of an article begins by enumerating some of the qualities that may indicate NPD: these are, you may realize as you read them, so very general that anyone with confidence or a dominant personality may be labeled as such. The all-important consideration in diagnosing mental illness is whether such characteristics interfere with the subject’s life. I, for instance, maybe exhibit some signs of Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder; I do not have it, however, because I prefer things neat and tidy, and messiness does arouse in me some level of distress, I am perfectly capable of having a messy apartment, or passing a crooked picture without straightening it, or ignoring any such impulses which I feel are destructive or harmful to myself. Vaknin himself not only realizes this, but states as much in his article, going on to explain—badly—why he thinks Obama falls in such a category.

we may consider Vaknin’s article farcical on its face

In this, we may consider Vaknin’s article farcical on its face, then, since it seeks to indict Obama for qualities which he is clearly not only not suffering from, but in which he is in fact thriving. And, as I will illustrate momentarily, are common characteristics of politicians—this, if you even recognize that Obama has these characteristics, which of course he likely does not.
Newsflash: politicians are egotistical!

Here are the charges that Vaknin levels against Obama (which I’ve reformatted to be somewhat readable):

Obama displays the following behaviors, which are among the hallmarks of pathological narcissism:

* Subtly misrepresents facts and expediently and opportunistically shifts positions, views, opinions, and “ideals” (e.g., about campaign finance, re-districting). These flip-flops do not cause him overt distress and are ego-syntonic (he feels justified in acting this way). Alternatively, reuses to commit to a standpoint and, in the process, evidences a lack of empathy.
* Ignores data that conflict with his fantasy world, or with his inflated and grandiose self-image. This has to do with magical thinking. Obama already sees himself as president because he is firmly convinced that his dreams, thoughts, and wishes affect reality. Additionally, he denies the gap between his fantasies and his modest or limited real-life achievements (for instance, in 12 years of academic career, he hasn’t published a single scholarly paper or book).
* Feels that he is above the law, incl. and especially his own laws.
* Talks about himself in the 3rd person singluar or uses the regal “we” and craves to be the exclsuive center of attention, even adulation
* Have a messianic-cosmic vision of himself and his life and his “mission”.
* Sets ever more complex rules in a convoluted world of grandiose fantasies with its own language (jargon)
* Displays false modesty and unctuous “folksiness” but unable to sustain these behaviors (the persona, or mask) for long. It slips and the true Obama is revealed: haughty, aloof, distant, and disdainful of simple folk and their lives.
* Sublimates aggression and holds grudges.
* Behaves as an eternal adolescent (e.g., his choice of language, youthful image he projects, demands indulgence and feels entitled to special treatment, even though his objective accomplishments do not justify it).

Barack Obama - Narcissist?

I think it unnecessary for me to explain to my readers how very generic this complaints are2, and will simply rebut them as they relate specifically to Obama. It would be far to easy to point out that Vaknin, as an obvious narcissist himself, is naturally prone to finding such a condition in others. Politicians, who in some ways survive on an inflated sense of their own self-importance3, are easy but misleading targets to an obviously disturbed man who leaps at the opportunity to find his own disorder in others.

Subtly misrepresents facts and expediently and opportunistically shifts positions, views, opinions, and “ideals[.]“ Assuming for a moment that Obama does opportunistically shift positions for political expediency4, and that he feels no obvious distress over these. Does that not make him a politician running for office? And what exactly does “Alternatively, reuses to commit to a standpoint and, in the process, evidences a lack of empathy” even mean? It seems to me a nonsense phrase.

“Obama already sees himself as president because he is firmly convinced that his dreams, thoughts, and wishes affect reality[.]“ Is Vaknin accusing Obama of some sort of solipsism, wherein his reality, controlled by himself, is the only confirmable one? Perhaps Obama sees himself as president because (1) the polls show him likely to become as much, and (2), he really wants to be president. Unless Obama has a secret condition, hidden from me, wherein he truly does believe himself to be sitting in the Oval Office, surrounded by his willing subordinates, then I’m afraid Vaknin has mistaken narcissism with ambition. But my favorite part of this criticism of Vaknin’s is this: “Additionally, he denies the gap between his fantasies and his modest or limited real-life achievements (for instance, in 12 years of academic career, he hasn’t published a single scholarly paper or book).”

This, I think, is perhaps one of the most telling lines in Vaknin’s article. Take a person like Obama, who aspires to be the President of the United States. Granted, you may take issue with his relative inexperience in politics5, but Obama’s professional career as a lawyer and politician has been a storied and productive one6. What Vaknin takes issue with is the fact that Obama (a lawyer) has never published a scholarly article or book. Obama has published books, mind you, and was editor of the Harvard Law Review, but what Sam Vaknin the Narcissist would like you to realize, please, is that Obama has never published an awful, pseudo-scholarly book about NPD like Sam Vaknin has.

Let me see if I can sum this up for you in a phrase:

Sam Vaknin wants to be more important than Barack Obama (but he never, ever will).

Have a messianic-cosmic vision of himself and his life and his “mission.” I’m sure that Obama campaign likes to cultivate the image of Obama as a Jesus/Che/rockstar, but whether or not Obama actually views himself as a messiah is hard to pin down. Likely not, given his ability to make fun of just such a characterization (see Obama’s speech at the 2008 Alfred Smith dinner).

Displays false modesty and unctuous “folksiness” but [...] the true Obama is revealed: haughty, aloof, distant, and disdainful of simple folk and their lives. Wait, what? I don’t think Obama’s the one you have to worry about cultivating “folksiness.” In fact, before Sam Vaknin opened his stupid mouth, I’d never heard such a word spoken with respect to the Obama campaign. If what Vaknin means is that Obama really doesn’t so much care for [insert local delicacy, e.g. cheese-steak] but eats it anyway within [location], then yes, there’s probably plenty of that in any political campaign. Let’s immediately disabuse ourselves of the notion that politicians are proletariat: on the national level especially, politicians tend to be well-educated, rich, and not a little snobbish. They may share your predilection for school prayer or play “folksy” when they have to talk to blue-collar workers, but let’s not have any illusions that politicians, regardless of alignment, are generally cut from the same cloth. That being said, there’s no reason to believe that Obama, more than any other, is “disdainful” of the lives of ordinary Americans. This line of thinking would lead one to believe that his entire political career, even back when he was a lowly community organizer, was little more than him putting up with the common rabble until such time as he could become president and exert the full measure of his narcissistic control over the country.

cotts135
02-24-2009, 04:30 PM
This is a continuation from the previous post.

Sublimates aggression and holds grudges. What?

Behaves as an eternal adolescent (e.g., his choice of language, youthful image he projects). It’s no surprise that Obama, as one of the younger candidates for presidency, would emphasis his youth, at least when talking to a younger generation of voters. Every politician aspires to play the youthful, inspiring populist, McCain included, but Obama has the relative benefit of actually being relatively young and populist; that he would use some of this (tempered to allay associations with inexperience) is no surprise whatsoever.
Conclusion: Sam Vaknin is an idiot

Perhaps the title of this article (and section) are misleading: Sam Vaknin is not, in all likelihood, an idiot. Were he a mere simpleton submitting his wrongheaded drivel to the latest blogging service, I’d pay him no head; after all, the internet has a surplus of very stupid people, and one more is hardly a notable figure. No, when I say that Sam Vaknin is stupid, I mean that he’s clearly a narcissist himself, and he goes to any length to spread his nonsensical writing, like a virus, to any site that will take it. What’s more, his writing is awful in every imaginable sense, and perhaps he even knows it. My guess would be that, were Vakin to read this entry, it would only fuel the fire in his sick little head: he could imagine himself a True Intellectual™, henpecked by illiterate rabble such as myself, who clearly don’t understand his genius (he published a “scholarly book,” donncha know…).

If you’ve ever wondered what it would be like to take the typical Republican talking points about coastal elitists sipping soy cappuccini and focus them into a singular obsession with a particular disorder, you’ve essentially understood the latest work of Sam Vaknin—replete with zero credibility, politically or academically. Part of me wants to be sorry for this pathetic little creature, but then I remember how truly obnoxious he is, and I don’t necessarily feel guilty for wishing upon him all the scorn and scrotum-ablating contempt that stupidity of his magnitude may engender.

1. And occasionally one of its more thoughtful commentators, but this is rare. I find much of the more thoughtful conservative commentary to be found at such places as the National Review, which, though I think it no less wrong, involves much less of the hysterical flailing and rending of garments that so much marginal conservative writing does[↩]
2. You mean a politician “[s]ubtly misrepresents facts and expediently and opportunistically shifts positions”? Say it ain’t so![↩]
3. Forgive my banal political cynicism here; I realize that talking about Washington “fatcats” is about as productive as spitting into a hole all day, but let us for a moment labor under the assumption that politicians are in fact piglets at the teat of government largess, speaking from both sides of their mouth in order to crassly manipulate the sympathies of voters.[↩]
4. Those right-leaning readers are nodding your heads vigorously now, I know.[↩]
5. Despite his 11(?)+ years as a senator on state and national levels, Obama does admittedly have little executive experience.[↩]
6. It’s possible you’re so petty as to deny importance to Obama’s entire career; I’ve seen it so debased in chain e-mails from ridiculous conservatives. What I’d like here is agreement in any case that Obama is an intelligent and successful man, if nothing else.[↩]

badbullgator
02-24-2009, 04:39 PM
Why is it the left likes to make multi post - post to try to counter anything put out there?

Hoosier
02-24-2009, 04:45 PM
UB great post I believe an accurate description. Cotts your post was a bunch of worthless dribble; I wouldn't waste my time reading

Illinois Bob
02-24-2009, 05:12 PM
If it walks like a duck,it's a duck.
I think I have to agree with UBs post.

Marvin S
02-24-2009, 05:13 PM
UB - Thanks - I like the post because of what I have been unable to put my finger on - the mannerisms & style of the present POTUS make me uncomfortable. There is nothing genuine in his approach, he is not the real article.

Thankfully, just 46 months & 26 days to go to a new POTUS.

backpasture
02-24-2009, 05:31 PM
Why is it the left likes to make multi post - post to try to counter anything put out there?

You're right. UB's copy and paste post deserves a copy and paste in response.

So, here is an opinion from someone every bit as sane and credible as 'Doctor' Vaknin:

http://i538.photobucket.com/albums/ff350/backpasture/vampires.jpg

cotts135
02-24-2009, 06:46 PM
UB great post I believe an accurate description. Cotts your post was a bunch of worthless dribble; I wouldn't waste my time reading

Now why would I expect anyone from the right to read something that they don't agree with. Of course no one thought it was wrong for UB to leave out a important part of the article that basically put a disclaimer on everything that guy said.
I am only doing what UB does in spades. He post's these complete (well almost complete) articles all the time. I had to multi post because of the limit on the amount of words you can have on one post.

badbullgator
02-24-2009, 06:59 PM
Now why would I expect anyone from the right to read something that they don't agree with. Of course no one thought it was wrong for UB to leave out a important part of the article that basically put a disclaimer on everything that guy said.
I am only doing what UB does in spades. He post's these complete (well almost complete) articles all the time. I had to multi post because of the limit on the amount of words you can have on one post.


No he just edits for the sake of time;-)

bobbyb
02-24-2009, 07:02 PM
whose watching obama ?? i'm watching Florida at LSU !!!!!

Bklk
02-24-2009, 07:38 PM
Just remember with Obama it's the begining of a "NEW ERROR"

Julie R.
02-24-2009, 10:24 PM
I saw a copy of that article on Obomo's narcissism back in Oct. I would have to agree with the author on all the points he makes. Take Obomo off script and his eloquence fades to bumbling buffoonery or bristling aggression. Remember his response when he dropped by the first press briefing when he was asked questions he was unprepared for? He blew up. And then there's the shrill "Stop listening to RUsh!" and the crowing "I won, I won!"

And sorry Cotts et al, your 'rebuttals' were ponderous drivel while the original article was well written and engaging in addition to being a chillingly accurate description of a soulless demigod. The lefty drivel is so poorly written it reminds me of a social climbing wannabe trying to use big impressive words. He, like the average moron, probably moves his lips when he reads and chews with his mouth open. This makes me cringe to read it, I hope I never meet anyone who uses some of these words...truly pathetic.


If you’ve ever wondered what it would be like to take the typical Republican talking points about coastal elitists sipping soy cappuccini and focus them into a singular obsession with a particular disorder, you’ve essentially understood the latest work of Sam Vaknin—replete with zero credibility, politically or academically. Part of me wants to be sorry for this pathetic little creature, but then I remember how truly obnoxious he is, and I don’t necessarily feel guilty for wishing upon him all the scorn and scrotum-ablating contempt that stupidity of his magnitude may engender.

Talk about a pathetic little creature, who in the hell is this author?

Obomo's speech tonight was a pathetic attempt to preen in front of an audience as if his words alone can clear up the mess. He might as well put on a tutu and wave a magic wand. I wish him well, but I sure hope this dog and pony show isn't a regular occurance. I'd rather he actually read and understand the crap he's forcing upon us instead of just the glib talking points.

Blackstone
02-25-2009, 01:24 AM
I guess we’re all entitled to believe what we want, but I wouldn’t put too much stock in what Vaknin has to say about his evaluation of Obama. Vaknin is certainly not an expert on narcissism or any other physiological disorder. Did you look at his credentials?

Education

Completed a few semesters in the Technion – Israel Institute of Technology, Haifa
- No undergraduate degree listed.

Ph.D. in Philosophy (major: Philosophy of Physics) – Pacific Western University, California, USA.
- The now defunct Pacific Western University was unaccredited, and was identified by Federal investigators as an on-line “diploma mill”. They had no campus and no professors, just a small office with 2 receptionists and a man that called himself the Dean. They changed their name in 2007 to California Miramar University after lots of criticism they for providing substandard education.

Graduate of numerous courses in Finance Theory and International Trading.
- From where?

Certified E-Commerce Concepts Analyst by BrainBench.
Certified in Psychological Counselling Techniques by BrainBench.
Certified Financial Analyst by BrainBench.

- BrainBench is an on-line self testing site where you can get “Certified” in just about anything if you answer the questions correctly. Vaknin’s certifications probably carry no more weight than his Ph.D.

His credentials certainly don’t impress me. In fact, I would be ashamed to list them, but he’s not. Maybe we’ve found the real narcissist!

road kill
02-25-2009, 06:01 AM
So, are you saying it doesn't take a genius to figure out what Obama is all about??:D

Hew
02-25-2009, 06:23 AM
So, are you saying it doesn't take a genius to figure out what Obama is all about??:D
LOL. Touche.

badbullgator
02-25-2009, 06:35 AM
I guess we’re all entitled to believe what we want, but I wouldn’t put too much stock in what Vaknin has to say about his evaluation of Obama. Vaknin is certainly not an expert on narcissism or any other physiological disorder. Did you look at his credentials?

Education

Completed a few semesters in the Technion – Israel Institute of Technology, Haifa
- No undergraduate degree listed.

Ph.D. in Philosophy (major: Philosophy of Physics) – Pacific Western University, California, USA.
- The now defunct Pacific Western University was unaccredited, and was identified by Federal investigators as an on-line “diploma mill”. They had no campus and no professors, just a small office with 2 receptionists and a man that called himself the Dean. They changed their name in 2007 to California Miramar University after lots of criticism they for providing substandard education.

Graduate of numerous courses in Finance Theory and International Trading.
- From where?

Certified E-Commerce Concepts Analyst by BrainBench.
Certified in Psychological Counselling Techniques by BrainBench.
Certified Financial Analyst by BrainBench.

- BrainBench is an on-line self testing site where you can get “Certified” in just about anything if you answer the questions correctly. Vaknin’s certifications probably carry no more weight than his Ph.D.

His credentials certainly don’t impress me. In fact, I would be ashamed to list them, but he’s not. Maybe we’ve found the real narcissist!


Hummm....backside, i mean pasture??? Cotts???? Wow I always love when a new one jumps on the RETRIEVER TRAINING FORUM and their FIRST post is in POTUS. Yep lots of cred their. BTW- bp, you little bitch, cotts or whoever this is, you sound like you have a bit of time on your hands to track all this down. Must not spend much time training dogs eh?

Pete
02-25-2009, 07:50 AM
o wow
He is the messiah He is the messiah, he is the messiah, His speach is so fluid and hipnotic he is the messiah He is the messiah
I found myself stand and cheering way before Polosi did,,, I couldn't resist,,,,everything will be OK now,,,, everything will be OK now,,,,


OK back to reality,,,we are in real big trouble

Pete

Blackstone
02-25-2009, 07:51 AM
So, are you saying it doesn't take a genius to figure out what Obama is all about??:D

No, I’m saying you shouldn’t take drivel like this as credible just because it fits what you want to be true. At least check out the source before you accept it as legitimate.

Blackstone
02-25-2009, 08:00 AM
Wow I always love when a new one jumps on the RETRIEVER TRAINING FORUM and their FIRST post is in POTUS. Yep lots of cred their.

Wow, I didn't realize there was a prerequisite to complete before posting here.

road kill
02-25-2009, 08:02 AM
No, I’m saying you shouldn’t take drivel like this as credible just because it fits what you want to be true. At least check out the source before you accept it as legitimate.
So, because it doesn't fit what you want to be true, it's not?

Can't have it both ways.

"There are lies, damned lies and statistics!!"
Sam Clemens

No truer words were ever spoken!!

K G
02-25-2009, 08:45 AM
Welcome to the fray, Blackstone. Just know that this site exists FIRST for dogs....everything else comes second.

POTUS Place was created to keep the political postings off of the main Retriever Forum board....the place where 99.9% of the folks that post here, also post about dogs. DOGS are the common thread among us all, most specifically retrieving dogs, dogs that fetch things. Check out the main forum and you'll know what I mean.

Also, be prepared to be asked to give your real name if you start being particularly rude or confrontational. We don't suffer anonymous cowards well.

Other than that, have fun....:cool:

kg (Keith Griffith)

badbullgator
02-25-2009, 08:56 AM
Wow, I didn't realize there was a prerequisite to complete before posting here.


Not really but since nobody knows who you are and your very first post is in the politics section of a dog training forum you have to know that who you are is suspect at the very least.
Most people start posting on a dog training forum in the training section and then move over here.
So who are you?

Hew
02-25-2009, 09:18 AM
FWIW...

I have exchanged PMs with backpasture before. He has a dog(s) and hunts and seems like a heckuva nice guy. He even invited me to hunt with him (although I'm still not sure what/why I'd have to hold a pillow case open on the ground in the middle of the night :confused::)). I often hunt with a guy who is so liberal he makes Yardley look like a John Birch Society member in comparison. I'm sure that nearly everyone who posts here is good folk. Some just have political opinions more f'ed up than a soup sandwich; and some of us don't. ;-)

Blackstone
02-25-2009, 09:29 AM
So, because it doesn't fit what you want to be true, it's not?

Can't have it both ways.

So, your point it what?

I was familiar with Vaknin before I came to this forum. His credentials are what they are, and they speak for themselves. It doesn't really matter what I want, or don't want, to be true.

badbullgator
02-25-2009, 09:33 AM
So, your point it what?

I was familiar with Vaknin before I came to this forum. His credentials are what they are, and they speak for themselves. It doesn't really matter what I want, or don't want, to be true.


So the question remains...who the hell are you

road kill
02-25-2009, 09:33 AM
So, your point it what?

I was familiar with Vaknin before I came to this forum. His credentials are what they are, and they speak for themselves. It doesn't really matter what I want, or don't want, to be true.

Well, we agree on something!!

Anyways, my daddy taught me a long time ago;
"Money talks, bullstuff walks!"

Anyone know how the market is doing today??
Was it something he said??

stan b

badbullgator
02-25-2009, 09:35 AM
Well, we agree on something!!

Anyways, my daddy taught me a long time ago;
"Money talks, bullstuff walks!"

Anyone know how the market is doing today??
Was it something he said??

stan b


down 157 right now............. Looks like the hope from yesterday before the address has changed

badbullgator
02-25-2009, 09:36 AM
FWIW...

I have exchanged PMs with backpasture before. He has a dog(s) and hunts and seems like a heckuva nice guy. He even invited me to hunt with him (although I'm still not sure what/why I'd have to hold a pillow case open on the ground in the middle of the night :confused::)). I often hunt with a guy who is so liberal he makes Yardley look like a John Birch Society member in comparison. I'm sure that nearly everyone who posts here is good folk. Some just have political opinions more f'ed up than a soup sandwich; and some of us don't. ;-)


FWIW- he (BP) is still a little bitch.

Blackstone
02-25-2009, 09:48 AM
Not really but since nobody knows who you are and your very first post is in the politics section of a dog training forum you have to know that who you are is suspect at the very least.
Most people start posting on a dog training forum in the training section and then move over here.
So who are you?

I can understand your point.

I have GSPs that I duck & goose hunt with as well as hunt all kinds of upland birds. I came to this forum to learn how the retrieve guys train their dogs to do blinds, etc. I have never really trained much for that, and I have a couple of 4 month old pups that I would like to take to the next level. I have “lurked” on this forum for a while, and read information provided by experienced trainers, but I though I would at least wait until I could post something useful before I jumped in to talk about training.

I guess the post with Vaknin’s comments just got the best of me.

backpasture
02-25-2009, 09:59 AM
FWIW- he (BP) is still a little bitch.

And, I'm sure that BBG is as classy in person as he is here.

Goose
02-25-2009, 10:00 AM
I watched about 2 minutes of Comrade Obama's speech while flipping from the Spurs game to another one.

I've never seen Comrade Speaker Pelosi so giddy. I wonder if she wet herself. I bet her muscles ache this morning because she stood up to applaud something the President said at least 100 times.

One of these days I hope somebody unplugs Obama's teleprompter. What would he be without one? Answer...clueless.

backpasture
02-25-2009, 10:14 AM
I can understand your point.

I have GSPs that I duck & goose hunt with as well as hunt all kinds of upland birds. I came to this forum to learn how the retrieve guys train their dogs to do blinds, etc. I have never really trained much for that, and I have a couple of 4 month old pups that I would like to take to the next level. I have “lurked” on this forum for a while, and read information provided by experienced trainers, but I though I would at least wait until I could post something useful before I jumped in to talk about training.

I guess the post with Vaknin’s comments just got the best of me.

Don't worry about it. This is the standard response you will get from some people when you question the extremist point of view that gets posted here so often.

It goes something like this:
- Someone copies and pastes something they read online, or that was forwarded to them in an email. It is often along the lines of 'Obama hates America', or 'Obama is a Muslim', blah blah blah.
- You respond pointing out the factual errrors in their arguments.
- Someone responds demanding to know who the hell you are, how many MH titles you have, which training guru you worship, and what are your qualifications for posting on this site.
- Few more posts back and forth. As you question their arguments, they will focus more and more on YOU, rather than the merits of the copy and pasted article that started the thread.
- Eventually, someone will call you a 'little bitch', or a 'Piece of Sh*t', or something along those lines.

Welcome to RTF!

There is some great dog advice here. There are also some lively political discussions with some folks who have strong convictions and can articulate them. But you'll also get plenty of name calling, and strong interest to know everything about you if you poke your head up and speak out against the extreme right wing element that makes the POTUS thread their home.

ErinsEdge
02-25-2009, 10:19 AM
o wow
He is the messiah He is the messiah, he is the messiah, His speach is so fluid and hipnotic he is the messiah He is the messiah
I found myself stand and cheering way before Polosi did,,, I couldn't resist,,,,everything will be OK now,,,, everything will be OK now,,,,


OK back to reality,,,we are in real big trouble

Pete
I sure am glad I'm not the only one that feels this way.

Bob Gutermuth
02-25-2009, 10:41 AM
Instead of Comrade Obama, why don't the networks just replay a few of Uncle Joe Stalin's speeches? It would be the same BS, full of sound and fury signifying nothing.

Franco
02-25-2009, 12:00 PM
I'm back!;-)

What else would you expect from such a fraud. Don't forget, this junior Senator did NOTHING while serving in the Senate (key word; serve) other than to run for President. He is a product of the left machine to put their boy in office (real men stand for something). It was a good calculation on their part figuring he would get the vote from Hispanics(Dems will declare amnisty for illegals opening a flood gate for more illegals), Blacks(more affirmative action, look at who is our Attnorney General and huge social programs) and the gullible white vote(those that feel guilty about the successes our country has had in the past). Look at their aganda so far, first they want to wreck this country finanacially with huge social spending bills all the while telling the public lies. Then they will destroy what we have left of our free enterprise system and then weaking the military will be next.

We can't afford 4 years of Obomo! I'm not convinced there will be a voter revolution in 2 years because free enterprise and beleivers in the American Way are now the voting minority.

WE HAVE BEEN SOLD OUT BY BOTH PARTIES but, it is the Dems that hate America the most and wanted it changed.

Uncle Bill
02-25-2009, 03:04 PM
FWIW...

I have exchanged PMs with backpasture before. He has a dog(s) and hunts and seems like a heckuva nice guy. He even invited me to hunt with him (although I'm still not sure what/why I'd have to hold a pillow case open on the ground in the middle of the night :confused::)). I often hunt with a guy who is so liberal he makes Yardley look like a John Birch Society member in comparison. I'm sure that nearly everyone who posts here is good folk. Some just have political opinions more f'ed up than a soup sandwich; and some of us don't. ;-)


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA:DHAHAHAH:DHAHAHAH:D

You are just too funny, my man. You're going back to the stand-up stage when?

UB