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badbullgator
03-05-2009, 07:00 AM
An elementary school just up the street from my home has what they call “Family Pizza Night” each week on Thursday. Apparently it is in conjunction with Dominos Pizza and for every pizza bought by families whose children attend the school; Dominos gives a dollar or some figure to the school. OK I am all about non taxpayer money for schools, BUT I am not so sure I like this idea because;
Every walkway and driveway to the school is plastered with Dominos signs reminding the students and family that “tonight is pizza night” I am not sure that I like the idea of allowing a company to use a school to drum up business and/or hook the children on a certain brand.
I also am not sure how I feel about the school promoting pizza nights when 1) there are a lot of FAT children in this and most schools 2) schools themselves are required to serve “more healthy diets” in their cafeterias.
Of course there is the liberal view (I don’t really want ot turn this into con/lib thing sorry) of what about the poor children whose families cannot afford to buy pizza for the family on Family Pizza night.

Like I said I am not sure how I feel about this, but for some reason every Thursday when I drive by the school on the way to work it gets me thinking about these things. What is your take? Harmless and good for the school? A bad thing for the kids? ?????????

Ken Newcomb
03-05-2009, 08:55 AM
Around here it used to be against poliy to allow private advertising within the school grounds. Now Pizza Hut and Culvers operate inside our school because they give money back to the school. I am not yet sure how this is different from giving a kickback to a government entity but I don't think I really like it either.

YardleyLabs
03-05-2009, 09:00 AM
I share your discomfort. Around here it is even worse with soda companies vying to purchase advertising rights in schools. They will commit to contributing substantial funds over a period of years. In return the schools commit to providing soda machines stocking the vendor's products and even commit to a certain volume of sales. It seems more and more schools are caving into this kind of activity as an easy way to fill holes in the their budgets.

Mike Noel
03-05-2009, 09:51 AM
We have a similar situation with a pizza place down here and there are a couple of other restaurants that have got in the mix as well. I hate the commercial aspect of it but think about it, kids are not going to stop eating pizza if they stop having Dominoes night.

What really got me was when my boys were in that school they came home every wednesday with a sticker on their shirt reminding us that it was pizza night. Between that and the signs we did feel like it was being shoved down our throats.

I know that the public elementary schools here don't have soda but I am not sure about the middle and high schools as my older boys are in private school.
It seems to me that the State of Texas got rid of soda in all of the schools or at least attempted to.

zeus3925
03-05-2009, 10:21 AM
This is a long term problem with businesses trying to get ahead of the pack by giving "incentives" to schools to establish brand identity early.

badbullgator
03-05-2009, 10:33 AM
We have a similar situation with a pizza place down here and there are a couple of other restaurants that have got in the mix as well. I hate the commercial aspect of it but think about it, kids are not going to stop eating pizza if they stop having Dominoes night.

What really got me was when my boys were in that school they came home every wednesday with a sticker on their shirt reminding us that it was pizza night. Between that and the signs we did feel like it was being shoved down our throats.

I know that the public elementary schools here don't have soda but I am not sure about the middle and high schools as my older boys are in private school.
It seems to me that the State of Texas got rid of soda in all of the schools or at least attempted to.


See that is one of the problems I have with it. Some thing here certian things are not allowed (chips, soda, candy), but pizza can be pushed because they are giving a "kick back"

Gerry Clinchy
03-05-2009, 10:45 AM
It's probably a matter of some positive & some negative.

One of the strong points is that it brings families together at the school. It allows teachers to meet parents without the formality of other situations where they are compelled to meet.

Parent involvement in education has proven to be an important factor in how well kids do in school.

Just getting a family together for supper is a feat! This, too, can have a positive effect on the kids.

Gives parents a chance to meet their kids' friends and their friends' parents. That can have a positive effect on keeping tabs on the crowd that your kid is hanging out with, and what their parents are like.

Perhaps even poorer families could afford one Thursday a month for pizza night? I might doubt that all the kids in the school & their families go every single Thursday?

Yup, the obesity thing is a national problem, but pizza may be one of the more nutritious "fast foods" out there.

It's not new for a brand to do this with schools. Anyone still saving those Campbell's soup labels? One of our local grocery chains also has a program that donates to schools.

badbullgator
03-05-2009, 10:47 AM
It's probably a matter of some positive & some negative.

One of the strong points is that it brings families together at the school. It allows teachers to meet parents without the formality of other situations where they are compelled to meet.

Parent involvement in education has proven to be an important factor in how well kids do in school.

Just getting a family together for supper is a feat! This, too, can have a positive effect on the kids.

Gives parents a chance to meet their kids' friends and their friends' parents. That can have a positive effect on keeping tabs on the crowd that your kid is hanging out with, and what their parents are like.

Perhaps even poorer families could afford one Thursday a month for pizza night? I might doubt that all the kids in the school & their families go every single Thursday?

Yup, the obesity thing is a national problem, but pizza may be one of the more nutritious "fast foods" out there.

It's not new for a brand to do this with schools. Anyone still saving those Campbell's soup labels? One of our local grocery chains also has a program that donates to schools.


No that is not the case. Familes are suppose to order the pizza at home, not at the school. There is no gathering

Mike Noel
03-05-2009, 10:52 AM
No that is not the case. Familes are suppose to order the pizza at home, not at the school. There is no gathering

Ours requires you to go to the location and eat but there are not any teachers in attendance as a matter of course. Its all about the benji's.

Marvin S
03-05-2009, 10:53 AM
It is symptomatic of an education system that fails to deliver the product they were intended to deliver. If you can clutter the learning process with enough feel good distractions parents do not realize Johnny & Janey are not receiving the education they need to survive in the outside world until it is too late. By then the system has a new group of shills for their fund raising. :(

Many years ago, while serving on a school board, I made an issue of the fund raising activities & the various distractions they were causing during the educational process. This placed me in the eye of a JH PTA group & they wrote a Letter to the Editor in our local rag. I responded with about a 2,000 word rebuttal which placed me on the carpet at the next SB meeting. Interestingly, the problems I had outlined in my rebuttal got cleaned up as the PTA realized that what I said was true. The establishment did not like it & used their only weapon, inequitable treatment of my children as their revenge. But, we handled it as a family & all students benefitted from greater attention to their needs.

People need to realize our educational system is not in good shape - just ask Bill Gates. When you elect people to the School Board who are only shills for the educational establishment children's true needs are not met. & that true need is preparation for a productive life.

BTW Corey, it is very political, the Donkey's answer to the direction of Teacher's Unions.

M Remington
03-05-2009, 12:10 PM
With school budget cuts, this is a harmless way to raise some extra money.

badbullgator
03-05-2009, 12:13 PM
With school budget cuts, this is a harmless way to raise some extra money.


Damn Marvin Marx proves you point everytime

Steve Amrein
03-05-2009, 12:33 PM
I think its sick that they have the kids whoring for money for the crap education the are getting. My niece and nephews and all the neighbor kids hit us up to buy everything form cookie dough to wrapping paper. These are well funded schools in well of areas.

I to prove a point looked at the budget for each kid they get from tax money. When I ran the numbers it seemed like we could lease AAA office space, hire limos instead of buses, cater lunch and double teachers salaries. Still making a profit. The problem is that public schools are run like the government and not private business.

Raymond Little
03-05-2009, 12:40 PM
I think its sick that they have the kids whoring for money for the crap education the are getting. My niece and nephews and all the neighbor kids hit us up to buy everything form cookie dough to wrapping paper. These are well funded schools in well of areas.

I to prove a point looked at the budget for each kid they get from tax money. When I ran the numbers it seemed like we could lease AAA office space, hire limos instead of buses, cater lunch and double teachers salaries. Still making a profit. The problem is that public schools are run like the government and not private business.
And you just figured that out??????

K.Bullock
03-05-2009, 12:47 PM
No that is not the case. Familes are suppose to order the pizza at home, not at the school. There is no gathering
Until I read this I agreed with Gerry, the school here, the schools here go through a lot of trouble to try to connect with families. This would be a great opportunity for that.

What you describe is just plain stupid, and is saying a lot about what value tha school places on the kids welfare. If the principal were responsible he/she would discourage it.

Marvin S
03-05-2009, 04:38 PM
With school budget cuts, this is a harmless way to raise some extra money.

I believe you claimed to teach classes at a local JC - in Economics or Finance perhaps? Tell me one area of any school budget you have seen that is not ripe for budget reduction & also please tell us what would you consider sacred & not subject to cuts, Pre- Pizza fund raiser.

Please be specific as I do know school budgets quite well - just a word of caution so you will stay on subject. If you care to respond. ;)

badbullgator
03-05-2009, 06:36 PM
Until I read this I agreed with Gerry, the school here, the schools here go through a lot of trouble to try to connect with families. This would be a great opportunity for that.

What you describe is just plain stupid, and is saying a lot about what value tha school places on the kids welfare. If the principal were responsible he/she would discourage it.

As I went out to train the dogs tonight I noticed a bid sign on the parent pick up ramp that said "Don't forget to Order Dominos Tonight!"

Gerry Clinchy
03-05-2009, 06:54 PM
No that is not the case. Familes are suppose to order the pizza at home, not at the school. There is no gathering

Well, then, since it sounded good as a gathering, maybe some "modification" of the program could take place that could add some of these benefits to the program?

However, it is not very different from collecting those Campbell's soup labels.

It does sound like the school is going kind of overboard in its publicity, though.

And, yes, I also agree that school budgets are crazy. Plenty of room for cutting waste.

Marvin S
03-07-2009, 03:01 PM
Damn Marvin Marx proves your point everytime

As long as the left does not want to deal with the facts, we'll go there on our own.

Things can change over time but this would be fairly indicative of just about any School District budget in the State of WA.

80% of the budget goes to wages, benefits & items connected with employees. The 80% is broken down with 63% to Certificated (meaning those with education degrees) staff & 17% to classified (cooks, janitors, para-educators, bus drivers, grounds keepers, etc) staff.

The remaining 20% goes to daily things bus service, grounds keeping, utilities, fuel, supplies, books, phones, equipment replacement, etc. There is generally a small portion that is discretionary with tremendous pressure to place that money where it will do the least good.

During the course of my time on the SB we went into 3 straight years of enhanced taxation failure - all we had was what the state gave us. This meant a budget cut of about 18%. We instituted a policy that the Teacher Pupil ratio in K-6 would be the same as 7-12 with no specialists.

The result - the coasters on staff left & 3 years later our test scores were the highest in our area of the state. This was not advertised as no one will take on the school lobby, even with facts.

But there you have it, 1% of a $4 Mil budget is 40 grand which is a small district in our state. To save 18% would mean that district would have another $720,000.

The Domino's Pizza is a smoke screen to allow the educators to cry poor mouth. IMO

BTW, if anyone would like to go into greater detail I can provide that also.