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Patrick Johndrow
03-18-2009, 09:58 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/03/18/pelosi-tells-illegal-immigrants-work-site-raids-american/

Raymond Little
03-18-2009, 10:08 AM
Where was ICE when all of
this B.S. was taking place?

Hoosier
03-18-2009, 10:15 AM
Did you read the teleprompter meltdown article? I would much rather listen to Bushisms then Obami reading whatever the men behind the curtain feed him.

Goose
03-18-2009, 10:35 AM
It's hard enough watching Obama on tv anymore but when he's reading from the Presidential teleprompter it's impossible to watch him. Back and forth and back and forth, left then right, right to left...his head constantly moving from teleprompter A to teleprompter B. I get seasick watching him.

Franco
03-18-2009, 10:38 AM
It is the blatent disregard for law that is unAmerican. Pelosi should be but in jail for making such reckless comments!

Bob Gutermuth
03-18-2009, 12:10 PM
Since when do we only enforce laws that govt officials agree with???

cotts135
03-18-2009, 06:01 PM
It is the blatent disregard for law that is unAmerican. Pelosi should be but in jail for making such reckless comments!

I am wondering if you feel the same way for the previous administrations admitted lawbreaking?

Matt McKenzie
03-18-2009, 06:29 PM
cotts,
Why do you always refuse to address the issue and try to divert attention back to what happened on the last watch? That is history. This is now. Do you agree with the Speaker or do you not?

road kill
03-18-2009, 06:32 PM
Since when do we only enforce laws that govt officials agree with???


UHHH, January 21st??

Just sayin........:cool:

YardleyLabs
03-18-2009, 06:43 PM
It is the blatent disregard for law that is unAmerican. Pelosi should be but in jail for making such reckless comments!

Pelosi didn't break any law. She said the laws on immigration and the manner in which those laws are being enforced is "un-American". That's a phrase I hear on this forum all the time with respect to gun control laws, taxation, and even elections. The fact that you want harsher immigration laws and harsher enforcement while she wants more permissive immigration laws and more permissive enforcement is a very American kind of debate which will eventually probably result in some changes of law.

Marvin S
03-18-2009, 06:55 PM
Pelosi didn't break any law. She said the laws on immigration and the manner in which those laws are being enforced is "un-American". That's a phrase I hear on this forum all the time with respect to gun control laws, taxation, and even elections. The fact that you want harsher immigration laws and harsher enforcement while she wants more permissive immigration laws and more permissive enforcement is a very American kind of debate which will eventually probably result in some changes of law.

Your self anointed moderate lefty label is fast going in the toilet when you are willing to defend someone as far out as the speaker.

YardleyLabs
03-18-2009, 07:23 PM
Your self anointed moderate lefty label is fast going in the toilet when you are willing to defend someone as far out as the speaker.

Marvin,

Are you saying she did break a law? Or are you saying that it is immoral or un-American to disagree over immigration policy? I believe those were the only two issues I addressed.

I have no particular love for Pelosi, but her position does not surprise of bother me since I suspect it is shared by the large majority of her constituents in San Francisco. Representing them is, in fact, her most important job. This is a lesson other congressional leaders have had to relearn on a regular basis.

Franco
03-18-2009, 07:41 PM
First of all, there is nothing unAmerican about the way we enforce our Immigration Laws. It's just the way both parties pander for the Hispanic vote is the reason she said it. What is criminal is that we have immigration laws that are not enforced and that is what she is encouraging. By not supporting the enforcement of Federal Law, she is selling out legal US citizens and that could be argued as treason. Same for the Republicans. Heck, Ronald Reagan is largly responsible for the illegal immigration mess we have today. When he declared Amnistry, the illegal immigration flood gates opened. As the Obomo Administration continues to accelerated the financial destruction of the US of A, our homes and real estate will be more affordable to even more illegals.

Just look at what a lunatic Pelosi is. Her state is wrecked and bankrupt because of illegals and her words shows me she is NOT serving the people of California but, the illegals.

Goose
03-18-2009, 07:57 PM
Pelosi breaks the law when she gets out of bed in the morning.

And the great State of California is completely wrecked, ruined and bankrupt under Speaker Pelosi's leadership and by the progressive movement.

YardleyLabs
03-18-2009, 08:09 PM
First of all, there is nothing unAmerican about the way we enforce our Immigration Laws. It's just the way both parties pander for the Hispanic vote is the reason she said it. What is criminal is that we have immigration laws that are not enforced and that is what she is encouraging. By not supporting the enforcement of Federal Law, she is selling out legal US citizens and that could be argued as treason. Same for the Republicans. Heck, Ronald Reagan is largly responsible for the illegal immigration mess we have today. When he declared Amnistry, the illegal immigration flood gates opened. As the Obomo Administration continues to accelerated the financial destruction of the US of A, our homes and real estate will be more affordable to even more illegals.

Just look at what a lunatic Pelosi is. Her state is wrecked and bankrupt because of illegals and her words shows me she is NOT serving the people of California but, the illegals.

And yet, Booty, you have argued that soldiers should defy the President and refuse to accept him as CiC, have suggested secession as a reasonable approach for ridding your part of the country of liberals, etc. and consider yourself to be a patriot.

I don't believe you base your opinions on how someone interprets or enforces the law; you base them on whether or not you agree with their position. In that sense, you appear to focus all of your attention on the ends regardless of means, much like the Bolsheviks you denounce. Throughout the Cold War, we emphasized our commitment to due process and the rule of law as fundamental issues that separated us from those supporting communism -- those who believed that the ends justified the means. Today, the extreme right seems to have taken the lead in denouncing due process and the rule of law in favor of any policies they believe will support their objectives. That, in my opinion, is un-American and traitorous.

Rightly or wrongly, Reagan's amnesty was implemented legally. Calling it traitorous is absurd; it followed the rule of law. Through most of the history of our country, our borders were wide open. The last time there were massive anti-immigrant actions was during the 1920's, before the Great Depression. Closing our borders and closing our minds go hand in hand with a fear of competition. Every politician in this country that wants to be elected will pay a lot of attention to the Hispanic population that is here legally or they will be voted out of office because that is the most rapidly growing segment of or population. That is the power of democracy and it is very American.

YardleyLabs
03-18-2009, 08:13 PM
Pelosi breaks the law when she gets out of bed in the morning.

And the great State of California is completely wrecked, ruined and bankrupt under Speaker Pelosi's leadership and by the progressive movement.

And here I thought Governor Arnie was in charge. Pelosi has nothing to do with running the state of California.

Richard Halstead
03-18-2009, 08:32 PM
It's hard enough watching Obama on tv anymore but when he's reading from the Presidential teleprompter it's impossible to watch him. Back and forth and back and forth, left then right, right to left...his head constantly moving from teleprompter A to teleprompter B. I get seasick watching him.

We have the same thing when we drive in the rain with the windshield wipers wipers keeping time to the music.

Patrick Johndrow
03-18-2009, 08:49 PM
Your self anointed moderate lefty label is fast going in the toilet when you are willing to defend someone as far out as the speaker.

Defending the un-defendable has become a very un-American pastime

Franco
03-18-2009, 08:56 PM
And yet, Booty, you have argued that soldiers should defy the President and refuse to accept him as CiC, have suggested secession as a reasonable approach for ridding your part of the country of liberals, etc. and consider yourself to be a patriot.

I don't believe you base your opinions on how someone interprets or enforces the law; you base them on whether or not you agree with their position. In that sense, you appear to focus all of your attention on the ends regardless of means, much like the Bolsheviks you denounce. Throughout the Cold War, we emphasized our commitment to due process and the rule of law as fundamental issues that separated us from those supporting communism -- those who believed that the ends justified the means. Today, the extreme right seems to have taken the lead in denouncing due process and the rule of law in favor of any policies they believe will support their objectives. That, in my opinion, is un-American and traitorous.

Rightly or wrongly, Reagan's amnesty was implemented legally. Calling it traitorous is absurd; it followed the rule of law. Through most of the history of our country, our borders were wide open. The last time there were massive anti-immigrant actions was during the 1920's, before the Great Depression. Closing our borders and closing our minds go hand in hand with a fear of competition. Every politician in this country that wants to be elected will pay a lot of attention to the Hispanic population that is here legally or they will be voted out of office because that is the most rapidly growing segment of or population. That is the power of democracy and it is very American.

I'll start with the top of your post.

I love my country and its culture. We have been a great nation with a great tradition and history. The fact that I don't want it run by people with great disdain for this country is why I would support military intervention. When M Obomo says during the campaign that this is the first time she has ever been proud of this country it show what she really thinks about it. When both Obomos whorship with a preacher that hates whites, white culture, our government and tells his congregation lies about the government, how in hell do you put this person as leader of the most powerful country in the world?

The sooner they are out of DC the better for all Americans. Obomos ability to destroy this country financially at his accelerated pace means the sooner he is out, the better!

I don't want to live in a country run by socialist!

I didn't say Pres Reagan broke any laws. I said that his amnisty bill opened the flood gates for illegals. Treason is being committed by both parties for not enforcing our laws and for putting the wellfare of the illegals above that of its citizens.

I'm glad to see Obomo's approval numbers falling, I told you so!;-)

The last two months have been Key Stone Cops come to DC. They are more than a mess, they are very dangerous to everything that has made this country great!

cotts135
03-19-2009, 06:37 AM
cotts,
Why do you always refuse to address the issue and try to divert attention back to what happened on the last watch? That is history. This is now. Do you agree with the Speaker or do you not?

Do I agree with Pelosi on this issue.................no I don't, the laws are the laws. You might not agree with them or how they are carried out but you must still uphold them. Speaking against them as Pelosi did is as I am sure you recognize not against the law. It is actually a Constitutionally protected right.

I bring these things up because of the blatant hypocrisy I see on this board. Whereas on one hand some of us here would excuse the behaviour of our previous administration and feel we should not investigate or prosecute them, it is in the next breath that I hear that someone should be arrested for something that is not even illegal, and then you have people commenting that they agree with them. It is hard for me to reconcile those positions.

dixidawg
03-19-2009, 07:17 AM
Do I agree with Pelosi on this issue.................no I don't, the laws are the laws. You might not agree with them or how they are carried out but you must still uphold them. Speaking against them as Pelosi did is as I am sure you recognize not against the law. It is actually a Constitutionally protected right.

I bring these things up because of the blatant hypocrisy I see on this board. Whereas on one hand some of us here would excuse the behaviour of our previous administration and feel we should not investigate or prosecute them, it is in the next breath that I hear that someone should be arrested for something that is not even illegal, and then you have people commenting that they agree with them. It is hard for me to reconcile those positions.


Pelosi's JOB and reason for being in Gov't is to make laws. Period.
For her to suggest that enforcing the laws that she doesn't agree with is un American is the height of hypocrisy.

Matt McKenzie
03-19-2009, 07:30 AM
Do I agree with Pelosi on this issue.................no I don't, the laws are the laws. You might not agree with them or how they are carried out but you must still uphold them. Speaking against them as Pelosi did is as I am sure you recognize not against the law. It is actually a Constitutionally protected right.

I bring these things up because of the blatant hypocrisy I see on this board. Whereas on one hand some of us here would excuse the behaviour of our previous administration and feel we should not investigate or prosecute them, it is in the next breath that I hear that someone should be arrested for something that is not even illegal, and then you have people commenting that they agree with them. It is hard for me to reconcile those positions.

First, thank you for responding to the question. Just to be clear, I don't speak for Republicans, Conservatives or others on RTF. I speak for myself and for what I believe. I don't feel that the Speaker broke any laws when she made these statements. As a U.S. citizen, she has protection under the First Amendment. I do, however, find it shameful that as the Speaker of the House, she would publicly state that the manner in which ICE enforces the law of the land is "un-American". She holds a great deal of power and if she honestly believes this, she should take action to get it changed. This type of disgusting grandstanding and pandering is in no way limited to her or her party. There's plenty of it on both sides of the aisle. I just wish that citizens on both sides would wake up and vote these weasels out of office.

As to the previous administration, who deserves prosecution and for what crimes?

Hoosier
03-19-2009, 09:24 AM
I think the way our immigration laws are enforced is un-American, probably not for the same reasons our esteemed senator does though. I think it's un-American to allow illegal immigrants to come into our country and stay even after being stopped by police. I think they blatant disregard for the rule of law is un-American. It's un-American that in my hometown which had about 15000 manufacturing jobs now has a couple of hundred and those are getting taken up by temp working illegals. Don't seem very American to me that a bunch of my friends who were in construction are now unemployed and the people who are working in those jobs now are mostly illegal immigrants. I went to look at some condos a couple of years ago to buy as an investment property. When we went through the units there were probably 30 Mexican drywall finishers in there working. They had 5 or 6 kids between 8 and 12 years old mixing and carrying mud for them, one in each unit. This was in the middle of the day on a school day. So I tried to call immigration to report it. When I called INS they didn't give an extension for enforcement. After calling around a lady told me the key is to enter extension 8, this wasn't even one of the options they gave. When I got through it was an answering machine, and said leave a message if they thought it was important enough they would get back to you.

Bob Gutermuth
03-19-2009, 10:22 AM
Don't blame me I voted Republican, always have!

Cody Covey
03-19-2009, 12:18 PM
I agree with Pelosi on this. It's very unamerican to seperate families...we should be sending them all back. Stupid anchor baby law should be stricken from the books asap although i doubt it will happen