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Terry Britton
03-30-2009, 11:39 PM
What kind of shape would our country be in if our large corporations and policies of this country were ran by the people and hard working honost ethics by people in small towns or in RTF?

I would bet we wouldn't have had the wild greedy runs, but we also wouldn't be in the doghouse now.

brian breuer
03-31-2009, 06:54 AM
People are people. I've lived all over, there are great ones and dirt bags in every stop. Just look up registered sex offenders in a town.

For example, I am looking at two jobs. One in Rhinelander, WI (8000+/-) and Denver (2.5 million in the metro area)

Rhinelander has one sex offender for about every 110 people. Denver has one for every 700.

Ethics are who you are not where you are.

And as far as hard working people of RTF, how many are posting here on company time?

Just a thought.

Gerry Clinchy
03-31-2009, 06:57 AM
And the U.S. might not be the only country this would help.

I have a client who was born & raised in mainland China & came here for graduate study many years ago, and stayed. He said that the Chinese people really like and admire the U.S. He mentioned having lunch with an Iranian, and the Iranian said much the same about his own people. He added that the countries whose leaders rant and rave most about the U.S. are the countries whose population admire the U.S. most.

While we have concern that we are becoming too socialistic, the Chinese leaders fear that the Chinese people like capitalism too much :-) I imagine that the Mullahs in Muslim countries also fear the results if Muslim women should ever break free of their burkas.

We came to the conclusion that it is the politicians who cannot get along and have messed things up.

Patrick Johndrow
03-31-2009, 07:03 AM
If RTFer ran the country we would be in worse shape...do you have any idea what most these people piss away on dogs every year?

brian breuer
03-31-2009, 08:02 AM
If RTFer ran the country we would be in worse shape...do you have any idea what most these people piss away on dogs every year?

Ah, but think of the lovely training grounds that the earmarks could buy.

road kill
03-31-2009, 08:24 AM
HT on the White house grounds??

road kill
03-31-2009, 08:26 AM
People are people. I've lived all over, there are great ones and dirt bags in every stop. Just look up registered sex offenders in a town.

For example, I am looking at two jobs. One in Rhinelander, WI (8000+/-) and Denver (2.5 million in the metro area)

Rhinelander has one sex offender for about every 110 people. Denver has one for every 700.

Ethics are who you are not where you are.

And as far as hard working people of RTF, how many are posting here on company time?
Just a thought.


Hey.........at least we are not looking at alien porn??!!??!!:shock:

brian breuer
03-31-2009, 08:43 AM
Hey.........at least we are not looking at alien porn??!!??!!:shock:

Damn internet filters.

Terry Britton
03-31-2009, 10:38 AM
Ah, but think of the lovely training grounds that the earmarks could buy.

They already do. You just need to know your city engineer, or your area USDA and/or Army Corp engineer. You would be suprised the stuff that can get built or influenced during a round of golf on those earmarks or subdivision projects.

Patrick Johndrow
03-31-2009, 11:31 AM
They already do. You just need to know your city engineer, or your area USDA and/or Army Corp engineer. You would be suprised the stuff that can get built or influenced during a round of golf on those earmarks or subdivision projects.

That is actually the type of thinking that has gotten us where we are today….in the private sector that is call misappropriation of funds or embezzlement.

Terry Britton
03-31-2009, 11:35 AM
That is actually the type of thinking that has gotten us where we are today….in the private sector that is call misappropriation of funds or embezzlement.

We are talking about adding features at no cost to already existing projects, not creating new projects out of thin air. There is a difference between the two.

Marvin S
03-31-2009, 12:06 PM
That is actually the type of thinking that has gotten us where we are today….in the private sector that is call misappropriation of funds or embezzlement.

Agreements reached in full public view are acceptable in my book. What we have today is agreements made in private, & those who caused this mess are the beneficiaries.

Our city is leasing from the state a piece of property - nearly a 1/4 section - I am looking at creating a multi use portion of this area for basic dog training. This will be for all people, not a select group. The facility will need an irrigation pond, which can double as a training pond, with the potential for a wetlands area they can sell rights to - nobody loses in a deal like that. Nothing would be free!

The other day I happened to pull a site that talked about crime - High crime = gritty cities whereas Low crime = pastoral settings. Is it a coincidence or does quality of life enter into being somewhat crime free?

Patrick Johndrow
03-31-2009, 01:41 PM
Agreements reached in full public view are acceptable in my book. What we have today is agreements made in private, & those who caused this mess are the beneficiaries.

Our city is leasing from the state a piece of property - nearly a 1/4 section - I am looking at creating a multi use portion of this area for basic dog training. This will be for all people, not a select group. The facility will need an irrigation pond, which can double as a training pond, with the potential for a wetlands area they can sell rights to - nobody loses in a deal like that. Nothing would be free!

The other day I happened to pull a site that talked about crime - High crime = gritty cities whereas Low crime = pastoral settings. Is it a coincidence or does quality of life enter into being somewhat crime free?

Couldn’t agree with you more Marvin…what was suggested was a conflict of interests at best and bribing a public official at worst. Would be nice if OUR gooberment employees would see themselves stewards of other people’s money instead some kind of pseudo entrepreneurs and it would be nice if the State of Oklahoma would incorporate more ethics classes in their Masters programs.

Terry Britton
03-31-2009, 02:34 PM
Couldn’t agree with you more Marvin…what was suggested was a conflict of interests at best and bribing a public official at worst. Would be nice if OUR gooberment employees would see themselves stewards of other people’s money instead some kind of pseudo entrepreneurs and it would be nice if the State of Oklahoma would incorporate more ethics classes in their Masters programs.

What was suggested was not paying anything for the engineers, but just getting to know them. They can't take anything and keep their jobs.

What can be done is find out about subdivisions or apartments going in, and making sure they have the legal flood control structures in place that are required by Federal Law when you replace 100's of acres of grass and trees with pavement and roofs. There are many that get built out not following the federal law due to many reasons from over worked engineers to engineers with the wrong background in charge of aproving city plans, or pressure from city and state officials to approve the plans. Once you know they are going in, you can suggest unique structures on those flood control ponds that can be utilized for training or letting the local kids fish at no additional cost to the project.

I have seen more than one subdivision and apartment complex go in without the proper flood control structures which will increase the risk of flooding downstream on a 2, 5 or 10 year flood. This problem is compounded when you multiply this times hundreds.

I agree with you with requiring more ethics classes, and could go on for hours on that topic. Also, classes covering "False Attributes" should be a requirement before graduating high school or college.

Terry Britton
03-31-2009, 02:38 PM
Couldn’t agree with you more Marvin…what was suggested was a conflict of interests at best and bribing a public official at worst. Would be nice if OUR gooberment employees would see themselves stewards of other people’s money instead some kind of pseudo entrepreneurs and it would be nice if the State of Oklahoma would incorporate more ethics classes in their Masters programs.

I agree on you with the pseudo entrepreneur as well. The businesses should be able to come in and survive without our governments trying to add incentives to attract business. They also shouldn't try to spend large amounts of tax dollars in hopes of bringing businesses in. The businesses should come in, and the increase of tax revenues should be able to build the infrastructure to support the increased amount of businesses.

It is our money they are taking to spend. It is not theirs.

badbullgator
03-31-2009, 02:49 PM
Hey.........at least we are not looking at alien porn??!!??!!:shock:


I don't find those big heads and long fingers the aliens have (not to mention the flat chest) attractive so that kind of porn is out

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_hntojuBOgo0/SU0scIL-ABI/AAAAAAAAFuo/YQo4vZ-rHdo/s400/SpaceAlien.jpg

Really who gets hot and bothered over that? Besides that they don't seem to wear clothes anyway so is it really porn?

Patrick Johndrow
03-31-2009, 02:57 PM
They already do. You just need to know your city engineer, or your area USDA and/or Army Corp engineer. You would be suprised the stuff that can get built or influenced during a round of golf on those earmarks or subdivision projects.


What was suggested was not paying anything for the engineers, but just getting to know them. They can't take anything and keep their jobs.


I called a friend who works for one of your referenced agencies and he said it would be highly inappropriate for a citizen to invite him on a golf outing (paid or not) to discuss public projects…he said he would inform a citizen of when and where public meeting would be taking place….when I asked him if it ever happened? He said…well it’s not suppose to happen like that.


Crawfishing regards

road kill
03-31-2009, 02:59 PM
I called a friend who works for one of your referenced agencies and he said it would be highly inappropriate for a citizen to invite him on a golf outing (paid or not) to discuss public projects…he said he would inform a citizen of when and where public meeting would be taking place….when I asked him if it ever happened? He said…well it’s not suppose to happen like that.


Crawfishing regards

"Change we can BELIEVE in!!":shock:

badbullgator
03-31-2009, 03:18 PM
I called a friend who works for one of your referenced agencies and he said it would be highly inappropriate for a citizen to invite him on a golf outing (paid or not) to discuss public projects…he said he would inform a citizen of when and where public meeting would be taking place….when I asked him if it ever happened? He said…well it’s not suppose to happen like that.


Crawfishing regards

Yep and drug reps are not supposed to take doctors to dinner either;-)

Patrick Johndrow
03-31-2009, 03:33 PM
Yep and drug reps are not supposed to take doctors to dinner either;-)


I dont know what the rules are but as long as they arent playing with my money I dont give two squirts of piss if they sleep with each other.

Don't take drugs regards

Terry Britton
03-31-2009, 03:50 PM
I called a friend who works for one of your referenced agencies and he said it would be highly inappropriate for a citizen to invite him on a golf outing (paid or not) to discuss public projects…he said he would inform a citizen of when and where public meeting would be taking place….when I asked him if it ever happened? He said…well it’s not suppose to happen like that.


Crawfishing regards

So you never discuss issues with your friend, run into your friend at the golf course, church, duck hunting, or at the coffee shop?

Even finding out when a public meeting about an event is enough information to know where the legal concerns can be placed. If you never know about the public meetings by never talking to your friend, then the public may be missing out on being protected by an outside citizen with nothing to profit other than making sure their property doesn't get flooded by projects inadvertly not following federal law.

There is a big difference between networking and slipping $$$ under the table in order to make $$$$$$$$$$.

Shouldn't everyone be encouraged to network with the engineers, and even policy makers or politicians that will affect our games, our hunting, and so forth?

road kill
03-31-2009, 03:56 PM
I don't find those big heads and long fingers the aliens have (not to mention the flat chest) attractive so that kind of porn is out

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_hntojuBOgo0/SU0scIL-ABI/AAAAAAAAFuo/YQo4vZ-rHdo/s400/SpaceAlien.jpg

Really who gets hot and bothered over that? Besides that they don't seem to wear clothes anyway so is it really porn?

I dunno, I bet they look better at closin' tyme!!

Patrick Johndrow
03-31-2009, 04:08 PM
So you never discuss issues with your friend, run into your friend at the golf course, church, duck hunting, or at the coffee shop?


Shouldn't everyone be encouraged to network with the engineers, and even policy makers or politicians that will affect our games, our hunting, and so forth?



Funny you should ask that…no I don’t talk to him about the projects he is working on l…I have two good friends that are attorneys and I don’t talk to them about cases they have or have had…do I network within my industry…you bet…it is how I get things done…do I deal with gooberment agencies? You bet…do I buddy up with them?...no…why would I ? They are regulating me and it is my job to stay in compliance not to influence the outcome. We do have annual and semiannual industry meetings with the variance agencies so we figure out how to work together better and understand new rules and regulations.
I find out about the meeting by staying informed about my industry…they send out mailers for almost every event.

Franco
03-31-2009, 04:35 PM
As President, I would;

Cut Federal spending by at least 80%.
Slash taxes for ALL.
Do away with the Capital Gains taxes.
Take out both Iran's and N Korea's nuclear capabilites
Keep the Taliban on the run.
End All corporate bailouts..
Secure both our southern and northern boarders by any means nessessary.
Deport all illegals.
Do away with the illegal's "Anchor Child" law.
Let the states decide if they want to legalize marijuanna and tax it.
End Affirmative Action
Review and rewrite our Immigration Laws.
Give more power to the individual states.


That's the agenda for the 1st week in the Oval office.;-)

Terry Britton
03-31-2009, 04:37 PM
Funny you should ask that…no I don’t talk to him about the projects he is working on l…I have two good friends that are attorneys and I don’t talk to them about cases they have or have had…do I network within my industry…you bet…it is how I get things done…do I deal with gooberment agencies? You bet…do I buddy up with them?...no…why would I ? They are regulating me and it is my job to stay in compliance not to influence the outcome. We do have annual and semiannual industry meetings with the variance agencies so we figure out how to work together better and understand new rules and regulations.
I find out about the meeting by staying informed about my industry…they send out mailers for almost every event.

I contend that is is much easier to network on stuff that relates to your job or industry, than it is with the stuff that affects what is happening around you in your neighborhood or land. It wouldn't be unethical to ask if there are any projects that are going on near you that may affect your property in anyway, and then go through proper channels.

I have got to ask, are you investing in developing properties, and trying to get around the federal laws regulating the requirement of putting in flood control structures on the down stream side of the developments? If not, then your pocket book will not be affected.

These required structures are not cheap for developers, which is why they try to get away without building them. The public has multiple benefits from these structures being in place from not flooding your neighbors out downstream to providing fishing and dog training facilities.

Lady Duck Hunter
03-31-2009, 04:38 PM
People are people. I've lived all over, there are great ones and dirt bags in every stop. Just look up registered sex offenders in a town.

For example, I am looking at two jobs. One in Rhinelander, WI (8000+/-) and Denver (2.5 million in the metro area)

Rhinelander has one sex offender for about every 110 people. Denver has one for every 700.

Ethics are who you are not where you are.

And as far as hard working people of RTF, how many are posting here on company time?

Just a thought.

The difference being, in Rhinelander everyone would know who those 72 offenders are, in Denver there is no way you could know the 3,571 offenders.

Lady Duck Hunter
03-31-2009, 04:45 PM
As President, I would;

Cut Federal spending by at least 80%.
Slash taxes for ALL.
Do away with the Capital Gains taxes.
Take out both Iran's and N Korea's nuclear capabilites
Keep the Taliban on the run.
End All corporate bailouts..
Secure both our southern and northern boarders by any means nessessary.
Deport all illegals.
Do away with the illegal's "Anchor Child" law.
Let the states decide if they want to legalize marijuanna and tax it.
End Affirmative Action
Review and rewrite our Immigration Laws.
Give more power to the individual states.


That's the agenda for the 1st week in the Oval office.;-)

When are you announcing?

Patrick Johndrow
03-31-2009, 04:53 PM
I contend that is is much easier to network on stuff that relates to your job or industry, than it is with the stuff that affects what is happening around you in your neighborhood or land. It wouldn't be unethical to ask if there are any projects that are going on near you that may affect your property in anyway, and then go through proper channels.

I have got to ask, are you investing in developing properties, and trying to get around the federal laws regulating the requirement of putting in flood control structures on the down stream side of the developments? If not, then your pocket book will not be affected.

These required structures are not cheap for developers, which is why they try to get away without building them. The public has multiple benefits from these structures being in place from not flooding your neighbors out downstream to providing fishing and dog training facilities.

Not sure what you are trying to say Terry....I attended a meeting last summer concerning zoning of property adjacent to my home…a private company wanted the land rezoned for apartments. They posted a sign on the property and I went to the meeting…Oklahoma Wildlife Department has meeting every year and if there is something of interest to me on the agenda I go to them. In today’s world it is almost impossible to NOT get information....I just don’t think I need to go spend quality time with my public officials.

Franco
03-31-2009, 04:55 PM
When are you announcing?



Just as soon as I can raise a couple hundred million for the campaign and run as an Independant.:eek:

Lady Duck Hunter
03-31-2009, 05:24 PM
Well, I'll pledge my loose change...it is all I can afford right now... and You've got my vote!