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Legacy 6
04-12-2009, 11:14 PM
I was listening to Roger Hedgecock tonight on my drive home from the extended familys' places and heard him break the news that the Deptartment of Homeland Security has issued an assessment saying that right-wingers might be getting more extreme and LEO/LEA (Law Enforcment Officers/Agencies) should be on the look-out for [conservatives] those with opposing views from the current administration.

Highlights:

1. * (U) Rightwing extremism in the United States can be broadly divided into those groups, movements, and adherents that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups), and those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration.

2. (U//FOUO) Proposed imposition of firearms restrictions and weapons bans
likely would attract new members into the ranks of rightwing extremist groups,
as well as potentially spur some of them to begin planning and training for
violence against the government. The high volume of purchases and
stockpiling of weapons and ammunition by rightwing extremists in anticipation
of restrictions and bans in some parts of the country continue to be a primary
concern to law enforcement.

3. (U//FOUO) Returning veterans possess combat skills and experience that are attractive to rightwing extremists. DHS/I&A is concerned that rightwing
extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize returning veterans in order to
boost their violent capabilities.

4. (U//FOUO) The possible passage of new restrictions on firearms and the return of military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks.

5. (U//FOUO) Many rightwing extremist groups perceive recent gun control legislation as a threat to their right to bear arms and in response have increased weapons and ammunition stockpiling, as well as renewed participation in paramilitary training exercises. Such activity, combined with a heightened level of extremist paranoia, has the potential to facilitate criminal activity and violence.

ETC ETC ETC: Linked below is the whole thing. This is NOT a joke, this is a release from DHS to LEA's around the US. And it's scary... Those they are calling extremists in this, are... me.

http://www.rogerhedgecock.com/resources/HSA%20-%20Rightwing%20Extremism%20-%20Climate%20Fueling%20Radicalization%20and%20Recr uitment,dated%207%20April%202009.pdf

twall
04-13-2009, 09:18 AM
Hhhmm.....this doesn't sound like the reaching across the aisle that our current president campaigned on. Maybe they are reaching across the aisle to slap handcuffs on the "disenters!"

Tom

BrianW
04-13-2009, 11:44 AM
This goes "hand in glove" with the Missouri assessment (MIAC Strategic Report) on the Modern Militia Movement that I posted about the other day from the Glenn Beck Program.

Just the thing that law enforcement needs to read before heading out to cover the Tea Parties on 4/15

Regardless of which viewpoint you represent, pro or anti "TDTP", please pray for restraint by all sides involved this Weds, a flashpoint like this could only need one small spark along the lines of 3/5/1770 at Congress Street in Boston.

Legacy 6
04-13-2009, 12:22 PM
Can you imagine what the media here would do if anything like the "violence" in GB during the G-20 Summit happened??

The media would SLAUGHTER conservatives as violent and so on I think... and it didn't really seem like anyone cared that the protestors in GB were throwing stuff through local business' windows...

Bob Gutermuth
04-13-2009, 03:31 PM
Its part of that'vast rightwing conspiracy' that Hillbillery spoke of when Slick Willy was POTUS

Terry Britton
04-13-2009, 04:58 PM
Fascism????

Legacy 6
04-13-2009, 07:21 PM
By the way, just bought a bunch of ammo... I guess that means I'm a domestic rightwing extremist, and probably a white sepremacist too...

I quote further:

1. (U) A prominent civil rights organization reported in 2006 that “large numbers of potentially violent neo-Nazis, skinheads, and other white supremacists are now learning the art of warfare in the armed forces.”

2. (U//LES) DHS/I&A has concluded that white supremacist lone wolves pose the most significant domestic terrorist threat because of their low profile and autonomy—separate from any formalized group—which hampers warning efforts.

3. (U) A recent example of the potential violence associated with a rise in rightwing extremism may be found in the shooting deaths of three police officers in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, on 4 April 2009. The alleged gunman’s reaction reportedly was influenced by his racist ideology and belief in antigovernment conspiracy theories related to gun confiscations, citizen detention camps, and a Jewish-controlled “one world government.”
-- I'm sorry, did they just associate the Pennsylvania shooter with him being first rightwing, and saying that his being right-winged then caused him to go crazy and extremist!? That every right-of-center SOB in the nation is probably an extremist? (This is an actual question... I am trying to figure out what their point is here. Why connect this guy with conversatives? To what end????)

4. (U//FOUO) Proposed imposition of firearms restrictions and weapons bans likely would attract new members into the ranks of rightwing extremist groups, as well as potentially spur some of them to begin planning and training for violence against the government. The high volume of purchases and stockpiling of weapons and ammunition [U]by rightwing extremists in anticipation of restrictions and bans in some parts of the country continue to be a primary concern to law enforcement.
--This one clearly states that if you have started buying ammo or additional firearms, you are a "rightwing extremist."

Well, I guess... If the shoe fits...

Henry V
04-14-2009, 09:21 AM
The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and
hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. - H. L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Which "base" is alarmed and who is fostering the alarm?

BrianW
04-14-2009, 12:17 PM
I am trying to figure out what their point is here. Why connect this guy with conversatives? To what end????) Because, first, he also fits right into the profile they're trying to mold, that ex-militray personnel are dangerous and especially that "the threat posed by lone wolves ... is more pronounced than in past years." "potentially making extremist individuals and groups more dangerous and the consequences of their violence more severe"

(U//FOUO) Lone Wolves and Small Terrorist Cells
(U//FOUO) DHS/I&A assesses that lone wolves and small terrorist cells embracing violent rightwing extremist ideology are the most dangerous domestic terrorism threat in the United States. Information from law enforcement and nongovernmental organizations indicates lone wolves and small terrorist cells have shown intent—and, in some cases, the capability—to commit violent acts.
— (U//LES) DHS/I&A has concluded that white supremacist lone wolves pose the most significant domestic terrorist threat because of their low profile and autonomy—separate from any formalized group—which hampers warning efforts.
— (U//FOUO) Similarly, recent state and municipal law enforcement reporting has warned of the dangers of rightwing extremists embracing the tactics of “leaderless resistance” and of lone
wolves carrying out acts of violence.
— (U//FOUO) Arrests in the past several years of radical militia members in Alabama, Arkansas, and Pennsylvania on firearms, explosives, and other related violations indicates the emergence
of small, well-armed extremist groups in some rural areas

Childhood friend Edward Perkovic said ..."He wasn't involved in any gangs, any militias. (An LW) He believed in his right to bear arms. ( a "conservative" value)
Poplawski's mother said her son enlisted with the U.S. Marine Corps a few years ago but was discharged for assaulting a drill sergeant in basic training. Since his discharge, Poplawski's mother said her son had been stockpiling weapons, according to the criminal complaint because he believed that as a result of economic collapsethe police were no longer able to protect society."According to the criminal complaint, Poplawski's mother said her son "only liked police when they were not curtailing his constitutional rights, which he was determined to protect." (Obviosly a conservative !).
"He wasn't fully a Marine. He got a dishonorable discharge out of boot camp," Perkovic said. "He wanted to get out of the Marine Corps."


Doesn't anyone think the timing on this "assessment" is just a little TOO coincidental? The release date on this is 7 April, 2 days after the shoting. Imo, this report was ready to go out already just prior to Tax Day Tea Parties when 100,000's of "anti-government" types are preparing to assemble and quickly edited to add this reference to add to the scare factor.

thesis, antithesis, synthesis
The thesis is an intellectual proposition. "America is in danger from RWE's, especially LW's"
The antithesis is simply the negation of the thesis, a reaction to the proposition. "DHS & other LEA's can protect you from RWE's."
The synthesis solves the conflict between the thesis and antithesis by reconciling their common truths, and forming a new proposition. "If you just let us ___________________________ and the public just __________________________we can eliminate this LW RWE threat"Anyone care to fill in the blanks?

Remember, " Never let a crisis go to waste" (paraphrase).

Franco
04-14-2009, 12:54 PM
Nothing more than the Democrats setting us up for a complete power grab!

Anyone read where Obomo was named, "Gun Salesman Of The Year" by the NRA?

Folks are stocking up on guns and ammo before he bans/severly limits thier ability to be purchased.

BrianW
04-14-2009, 06:59 PM
Well, I guess... If the shoe fits...

Well apparently you have the same shoe size as Gov's Rick Perry - TX & Mark Sanford - SC.

Not bad company, imo.

YardleyLabs
04-14-2009, 07:16 PM
When i was in college, there was a leader in the anti-war movement who was always complaining about phone taps and being followed everywhere he went. Years later, FOIA requests for FBI records showed that he had been the target of a Hoover plan to discredit anti-war leaders by tapping their phones and following them so obviously that they would be dismissed as crackpots when they complained.

Today the right is getting some of the treatment previously reserved for the left: anti-war protesters and civil rights advocates. The shift in intelligence focus actually started in the 90's, not with Obama. However, the fact is that "internal security" efforts can be aimed in either direction. I am not comfortable with the Patriot Act or with having a department with a mandate for internal security for that reason. Once you start using the power of the state to weed out potential wrong doers, you are giving too much up to the government. Personally, I believe we are strong enough to value our freedom more and to fear less.

Franco
04-14-2009, 07:42 PM
I'll be damned Jeff, that is the 2nd thing I have agreed with you on this week! Well said.;-)

YardleyLabs
04-14-2009, 08:02 PM
I'll be damned Jeff, that is the 2nd thing I have agreed with you on this week! Well said.;-)

I'm sure neither of us will overdo that.:D

A few years ago I did a piece that I titled "A Tribute to the Patriot Act". I apologize in advance for those who might be offended by it. However, it captured for me the feeling that you cannot build a fortress without creating a jail.

http://jeffgoodwin.com/night/2005-10-29_DSC0018.jpg
Copyright Jeff Goodwin 2005

batcave4
04-14-2009, 08:49 PM
Nothing more than the Democrats setting us up for a complete power grab!

Anyone read where Obomo was named, "Gun Salesman Of The Year" by the NRA?

Folks are stocking up on guns and ammo before he bans/severly limits thier ability to be purchased.

The last time I purchased 5.56 ammo the source had sold 7.2 million rounds in 48 hours.:eek:

Legacy 6
04-14-2009, 11:04 PM
By the way, I'm not crazy. This leads the Drudge report today...

Sometimes I look at some of the stuff I see, and wonder if I'm taking crazy pills or something. I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees something out of place here.

Martin
04-14-2009, 11:11 PM
My question is why DHS tagged "rightwing"? Why not just extremists? And who the heck cares if I buy extra ammo in case of shortages. I like to shoot alot. If I knew there was to be a shortage on milk I might just buy a few extra gallons to freeze and have later. Or batteries, emergency candles,ect ect. So I Prepare for and unseen or seen emergency I get labeled right wing extremist...nice! Oh...maybe pull some cash out of the bank to have just in case....

Point...IT'S NOBODY'S BUSINESS WHAT I DO TO TAKE CARE OF MY FAMILY. Whether anyone thinks I'm crazy or not! Leave me the heck alone...And GO Texas!

And another thing...Some people are so gun crazy...I mean the bad way...Ban all guns. What do these people think that protect our president, the head of DHS and so on...Fire power! Heck, My family means more to me than the president means to me and I will Protect them how I say fit..within the confins of the law of course.....

Again. GO TEXAS! The Republic of Texas. Cannot wait to see the turn out of the tea parties!

"Give me liberty or give me death!"

road kill
04-15-2009, 06:06 AM
When i was in college, there was a leader in the anti-war movement who was always complaining about phone taps and being followed everywhere he went. Years later, FOIA requests for FBI records showed that he had been the target of a Hoover plan to discredit anti-war leaders by tapping their phones and following them so obviously that they would be dismissed as crackpots when they complained.

Today the right is getting some of the treatment previously reserved for the left: anti-war protesters and civil rights advocates. The shift in intelligence focus actually started in the 90's, not with Obama. However, the fact is that "internal security" efforts can be aimed in either direction. I am not comfortable with the Patriot Act or with having a department with a mandate for internal security for that reason. Once you start using the power of the state to weed out potential wrong doers, you are giving too much up to the government. Personally, I believe we are strong enough to value our freedom more and to fear less.

UHHHHH.....if it was wrong then, wouldn't it be wrong now??

Or is it just whoever's OX is getting gored??


Right Winged Extremist Regards,

road kill
04-15-2009, 07:55 AM
An opposing opinion of this drivel!!

http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=93067

I especially like this;

"The militia report was never reviewed by me or by the Director of Public Safety, John Britt, at any point prior to its issuance. Had that report been reviewed by either my office or by leaders of the Department of Public Safety, it would never have been released to law enforcement agencies."

John Wayne Regards,

YardleyLabs
04-15-2009, 07:59 AM
UHHHHH.....if it was wrong then, wouldn't it be wrong now??

Or is it just whoever's OX is getting gored??


Right Winged Extremist Regards,
I thought it was pretty clear from my post that I thought it was wrong then and wrong now.

road kill
04-15-2009, 08:07 AM
I thought it was pretty clear from my post that I thought it was wrong then and wrong now.


I saw you wrote about your discomfort with the Patriot act, but to most leftys that is biased towards them.

Having said that, just to make sure you understand me, "I disagree with what you say, but would (and have) fight to the death for your right to say it!!"

Peace!!

badbullgator
04-15-2009, 08:53 AM
ANyone find it funny that while this is going on there is no mention of real terrorist groups like PETA??

road kill
04-15-2009, 08:56 AM
ANyone find it funny that while this is going on there is no mention of real terrorist groups like PETA??

Different OX!!

Goose
04-15-2009, 10:05 AM
Wow! After reading just a little bit of the DHS hit piece it's obvious that Dear Leader has found a true believer in his Lieutenant Janet Napolitano with her fascist report. I wonder how many pair of fashionable jackboots she owns. I bet she secretly has agents in the field right now collecting copies of Mark Levin's book, 'Liberty and Tyranny' so she can have them burned.

I guess Ms. Napolitano will be Dear Leader's point man to begin the process of separating the First and Second Amendments from our Constitution. We just can't trust the right wing with bibles and guns.

Maybe I'll go buy some ammo today, read the bible and listen to Rush! Maybe squeeze into my Marine Corps dress blues, too!

BrianW
04-15-2009, 10:38 AM
My question is why DHS tagged "rightwing"? Why not just extremists?


Because this is part of a coordinated effort to finally do away with "traditional values", which includes strict interpretation of the Constitution, that are consistently identified with the the American political "right". Did you hear Sen. Schumers statement about "the hard right" and "traditional values kind of arguments and strong foreign policy, all those are over "... "but until the Republican grass roots pushes their people over, if that ever happens, we're not going to get change in the House & Senate". http://www.theminorityreportblog.com/story/steve_foley/2009/04/09/sen_schumer_traditional_values_strong_foreign_poli cy_are_over

it's a proven method of Alinsky "linking" that attempts to "Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, polarize it."(Rule 11):and put them on the defensive on your terms as well as Rule 9: "The threat is more terrifying than the thing itself."


And who the heck cares if I buy extra ammo in case of shortages. I like to shoot alot. If I knew there was to be a shortage on milk I might just buy a few extra gallons to freeze and have later. Or batteries, emergency candles,ect ect. So I Prepare for and unseen or seen emergency I get labeled right wing extremist...nice! Oh...maybe pull some cash out of the bank to have just in case....Point...IT'S NOBODY'S BUSINESS WHAT I DO TO TAKE CARE OF MY FAMILY. You and your ammo are dangerous because you can resist "the change". When was the last time you heard of someone holding off the cops for hours with an arsenal full of milk? Besides having you stack up on groceries is good because those can be confiscated easily and re-distributed to those who "need" it more than you & yours, because after all, it wouldn't be "fair" for you to have all these supplies and your neighbor has nothing! . How many folks out there think FEMA is going to handout 5.56x55's along w/ MRE's in the event of civil unrest?


Whether anyone thinks I'm crazy or not! Leave me the heck alone...And GO Texas! Whether anyone thinks you're crazy or not?!? That's exactly the intent of getting this assessment out in public view, just after these recent shootings. So your neighbor, or sister-in-law that doesn't care much for your views, etc will call some LEA and inform them that "This guy Martin, you know I think he's getting ready to do something like that guy in Pittsburgh, can you check him out, please?"

dback
04-15-2009, 11:06 AM
Wow! After reading just a little bit of the DHS hit piece it's obvious that Dear Leader has found a true believer in his Lieutenant Janet Napolitano with her fascist report. I wonder how many pair of fashionable jackboots she owns. I bet she secretly has agents in the field right now collecting copies of Mark Levin's book, 'Liberty and Tyranny' so she can have them burned.

I guess Ms. Napolitano will be Dear Leader's point man to begin the process of separating the First and Second Amendments from our Constitution. We just can't trust the right wing with bibles and guns.

What??? You didn't hear the thunderous cheer when sweet Janet climbed aboard Dear Leader's jet to fly to DC? We 'Zonies' weren't applauding her success....we wanted all of you to understand our pain.

Terry Britton
04-15-2009, 01:25 PM
I'm sure neither of us will overdo that.:D

A few years ago I did a piece that I titled "A Tribute to the Patriot Act". I apologize in advance for those who might be offended by it. However, it captured for me the feeling that you cannot build a fortress without creating a jail.

http://jeffgoodwin.com/night/2005-10-29_DSC0018.jpg
Copyright Jeff Goodwin 2005

The problem with the Patriot act is that it should be directed at non-citizens and/or all communications leaving or entering the USA. Neither of these should require a special law since non citizens should not have the same rights as citizens, and communications offshore should not have the same protection as those remaining domestic with only citizens involved.

YardleyLabs
04-15-2009, 01:40 PM
The problem with the Patriot act is that it should be directed at non-citizens and/or all communications leaving or entering the USA. Neither of these should require a special law since non citizens should not have the same rights as citizens, and communications offshore should not have the same protection as those remaining domestic with only citizens involved.

Non-citizens do not receive many of the privileges and rights accorded citizens. However, they do retain rights of due process and habeas corpus under the constitution. They may be deported almost without restriction, but may not be imprisoned or convicted of a crime without being accorded the same protections available for citizens accused of the same crime.

cotts135
04-15-2009, 03:54 PM
I saw you wrote about your discomfort with the Patriot act, but to most leftys that is biased towards them.

Having said that, just to make sure you understand me, "I disagree with what you say, but would (and have) fight to the death for your right to say it!!"

Peace!!

I am not sure exactly what you mean by that but I do find it ironic that the same people who are screaming loudest now about DHS policies (Malkin, Goldberg, Steyn ie) were during the last 8 years some of the loudest proponents of this expansive surveillance state we now live in. There were no outrages against anti-war demonstrators or others from the left when they were being targeted .
I can't tell you how many times i heard "If you have nothing to hide then don't worry" . This misses the point. When the Patriot act was enacted the standards were lowered on who the government could put their focus on. Consequently whether we like or not this law is color blind and anyone could be affected by it foreign or domestic

Cody Covey
04-15-2009, 05:57 PM
ANyone find it funny that while this is going on there is no mention of real terrorist groups like PETA??
DHS did a report similar to the rightwing extremism called Leftwing Extremism.

Eric Johnson
04-16-2009, 03:33 PM
For all the talk about right-wing extremism, the prior report on left-wing extremism focused on animal rights groups, etc.

Today this story moved on the wires...

**********
Nature Magazine
News: Q&A
Bomb spurs research rally
Neuroscientist David Jentsch talks about the firebombing that led him
to set up a demonstration in support of animal research.
Rex Dalton
15 April 2009
http://www.nature.com/news/2009/090415/full/458813a.html

On 7 March David Jentsch, a neuroscientist at the University of
California, Los Angeles (UCLA), had his car firebombed outside his
house by animal extremists. In response, he formed the group UCLA
Pro-Test to oppose such extremism and advocate continued research on
animals. The group will hold its first rally on 22 April on the
university's campus.

-more-
*************

This is but an example. Researchers in CA are afraid to come out of their houses. The drug industry in NJ is much the same due to the influence of SHAC. Mink farms in the NW are destroyed. Car dealerships in CA are bombed or inventory scratched beyond repair. Whole subdivisions, under construction, are torched. In CO, tourist resorts are torched, So, which group is more likely to resort to terrorism?

Eric

sinner
04-17-2009, 09:09 AM
The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience.
Arthur Schopenhauer