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Franco
04-15-2009, 06:25 PM
Today, many Americans crossed party lines in sharing their outrage for our Career Politicians in Washington DC. The Tea Parties were not a Republican stunt to unite the base, it was an event for everyone wanting to voice their anger with the shambles our supposed leaders have left us with and are currently making bigger. The out-of-controll spending needs to stop now!
It was great to see citizens of both parties together excersing their right to call their Federal Government out. I for one am looking forward to more! It also made me aware of how many citizens now classify themselves as Independents.

Legacy 6
04-15-2009, 07:21 PM
Cheers To That!!!

Skybuster
04-15-2009, 10:31 PM
Hope it lasts long enough to get their attention. I also saw some GOP politicians on tv coverage. Hope they can't turn this into their partisan political groundswell. I'm sick of every one of these royals wrenching money from those of us who work our a$$es off to spend on any ridiculous whim that hits 'em. No respect for the value of our hard earned money. No respect for us! Don't let these republicans fool you. They have tricked me out of my vote for many years. Target the political careers of every one of these thieves. That's the only change you can believe in.

Franco
04-16-2009, 08:27 AM
I think we will witness a ground swell of Independents over the next two years. The GOP may be done for good.

Independents are about drastically cutting Federal spending, lowering taxes on businesses and shrinking the Federal Government. They will attract supporters from both parties as the movement in not tied into the Religious Right nor the Secular left. It is about ousting the irresponsible and bring accountability back to DC.

Brad Slaybaugh
04-16-2009, 09:20 AM
I think we will witness a ground swell of Independents over the next two years. The GOP may be done for good.

Independents are about drastically cutting Federal spending, lowering taxes on businesses and shrinking the Federal Government. They will attract supporters from both parties as the movement in not tied into the Religious Right nor the Secular left. It is about ousting the irresponsible and bring accountability back to DC.

Well said, but I'm afraid we'll still only end up with two choices. The cycle needs to be broken, I just don't see how it will happen with the current system in place, it's self protecting for now.

BonMallari
04-16-2009, 09:27 AM
Well said, but I'm afraid we'll still only end up with two choices. The cycle needs to be broken, I just don't see how it will happen with the current system in place, it's self protecting for now.

You are so right on...there is no infrastructure for a viable third party,so we can be libertarians and independants, but the candidates will still be republicans and democrats. neither side wants a third party because that would free up many deadlocks and their stranglehold on power...the only viable change could be accomplished in two words ...TERM LIMITS

Pete
04-16-2009, 09:52 AM
I think the swing will go more and more to the left. As big brother continues to take care of those on the brink of distaster that they created ,,and illegal people from around the world come in not only for free,,,but with hopes of nursing off the communal teat,,,more and more people will cave and loose their will to be self sufficient. Then those of us who refuse to bend and stand our ground will be left with only one option.

History will tend to repeat itself ,,and follow the same road all other great nations followed. There must be a mathmatical equation to it somewhere.,,, because it seems that 1+1 will always equal 2.

We have seen how great a nation can become,,,,,,, where person freedom and liberties exist.
And we have seen through history how it can all crumble

Pete

Franco
04-16-2009, 09:55 AM
I am all for term limits but I don't see it happening. Not with the Democrats trying to solidify their power through reGerrymandering districts after the 2010 Census and encourging illegal immigration to grow thier base.

The Republicans are leaderless. Newt Gingrich is a smart man but has no charisma and tied to the Religious Right. One can't win if they are not good on camera. Just a reality of today's candidates and what it takes to win. Sarah Palin's only appeal is with the Religious Right and that is too small a base to become elected President.

I think we will see a Third Party Independent rise similar to Ross Perot of the past. Someone that speaks for most Americans who are tired of the ninconpoops we have in DC.

BrianW
04-16-2009, 09:57 AM
Fwiw, I think (hope) the Demoplicans & Republicrats have shot themselves in the foot by becoming Progressive & Progressive Lite. (As others have put it). At this point in time, someone like a Rick Perry or Mark Sanford could become a serious player quickly, IF they can tap into the groundswell & overcome "the machines".

As one of the speakers at our TDTP put it yesterday, "Even if they pretend not to, they ARE hearing us in DC today. It's like the distant thunder from a gathering storm." Even if you weren't at a Tea Party, you CAN put pressure on your elected officials. Don't threaten them, bur rather promise them, and then KEEP THAT PROMISE. Promise that you will be keeping an eye on them and that you WILL hold them responsible for their actions and inaction!

Make it part of your daily routine;
Get up
Coffe/shower
PRESSURE ELECTED OFFICIALS
Go to work ...

The force of one finger may not do much but the force of a million fingers focused on a single point could be awesome to behold.
The force of a tornado can drive straw into a wooden post!

Franco
04-16-2009, 10:05 AM
It's like the distant thunder from a gathering storm."



Damn, I like that and will have to plagerize that in the future!:cool:

If a new gathering storm is to wash away the idiots we have in DC, it has to be focused on two issues. The Economy and Foreign Policy, period. Most all other issues need to be tabled.

The message has to be simple, consistent and focused.

Marvin S
04-16-2009, 10:30 AM
You are so right on...there is no infrastructure for a viable third party,so we can be libertarians and independants, but the candidates will still be republicans and democrats. neither side wants a third party because that would free up many deadlocks and their stranglehold on power...the only viable change could be accomplished in two words ...TERM LIMITS

We all oppose fragments of most party's platform. I'll give you some examples: I don't believe drugs are victimless (meaning they only affect the taker) but the libertarians have that as a major part of their platform. From an enforcement standpoint I believe prostitution should be legalized, properly regulated & heavily taxed, so that would put me at odds with the Christian right. While I do not believe in Abortion on demand, there are circumstances where I believe it acceptable. I strongly believe in giving someone a hand up but not a handout so that would make me not a liberal. I believe that old folks had their opportunity, if they did not make the most of it, there should not be an entire government industry set up to care for those who did not care for themselves. I guess that would make me not compassionate, especially with someone else's money.

& we could go on - the examples are only to show we all think differently so are hard to categorize.

Term Limits will probably not happen, remember UB's post about the Sheep, the Wolves & the Sheepdogs, he failed to mention the Coyotes as they are the ones that create the problems, as they are more numerous & melded into the fabric of our society. Bernie Madoff was a Coyote. Your local politician that's trying to tell you what is best for you is more than likely a Coyote. There are a limited number of effective Sheepdogs.

There is a very simple way to create Term Limits. File a referendum/initiative that does not allow time served in elective office to count toward retirement & allows no retirement to be earned while in elective office. They would leave office voluntarily. :cool: