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Franco
04-16-2009, 05:38 PM
AUSTIN, Texas – A group of Texas Democrats says Republican Gov. Rick Perry was reckless when he suggested at an anti-tax rally that fed-up Americans may one day want to secede from the United States. They said Thursday that he should disavow such talk. Democratic state Rep. Jim Dunnam of Waco says talk of secession is anti-American and that some people associate it with racial division and the Civil War.
Perry's office did not immediately respond Thursday.
Answering a question from The Associated Press at an anti-tax rally Wednesday, Perry said he doesn't think Texas should secede. But he said the federal government was thumbing its nose at the American people and added, "who knows what might come out of that."

above from yahoo.com

I'm all for it and think states should have more rights. I would even be for dividing red states from blue, just as long as we secure our boarders.;-)

Terry A
04-16-2009, 05:54 PM
I hear ya Mr Booty

Steve
04-16-2009, 05:59 PM
Democratic state Rep. Jim Dunnam of Waco says talk of secession is anti-American and that some people associate it with racial division and the Civil War.

And those people aren't very bright. But hey, that's who the democrats depend on for votes.

This country was designed as a voluntary union of sovereign states and any state which wishes to leave has that right.

Franco
04-16-2009, 06:11 PM
Between Texas, Alaska and Louisiana, we could produce and refine enough oil to pay for the best military in the world and still have more than enough to export! Plus, we wouldn't have to bail all the socialist out. California, a state that won't address its problems with illegals will be the next giant bailout for the Obomonites.

Anyone read today where they are thinking of bailing out the newspapers? Obomonites think there is no end to bailout money. The only way they know how to handle anything is to either throw money at it or apologise.

road kill
04-16-2009, 06:14 PM
AUSTIN, Texas – A group of Texas Democrats says Republican Gov. Rick Perry was reckless when he suggested at an anti-tax rally that fed-up Americans may one day want to secede from the United States. They said Thursday that he should disavow such talk. Democratic state Rep. Jim Dunnam of Waco says talk of secession is anti-American and that some people associate it with racial division and the Civil War.
Perry's office did not immediately respond Thursday.
Answering a question from The Associated Press at an anti-tax rally Wednesday, Perry said he doesn't think Texas should secede. But he said the federal government was thumbing its nose at the American people and added, "who knows what might come out of that."

above from yahoo.com

I'm all for it and think states should have more rights. I would even be for dividing red states from blue, just as long as we secure our boarders.;-)

A lefty playing the race card....I am shocked!!:shock:

Franco
04-16-2009, 06:57 PM
Let me clarify; I'd like all the states that voted Republican leave the union. Both the breadbasket and the energy states!

Then, our biggest problem will be in dealing with the illegals wanting to come for jobs. And, the Democrat states can go full blown socialist and we can cheer them on in thier quest for 3rd World status.;-)

Goose
04-16-2009, 09:00 PM
Good thing I filed an extension. If we secede before August 15th I don't have to pay my federal taxes!

Come and get it you commies!!

Steve
04-16-2009, 10:46 PM
Are you saying we can play race cards, damn I wish I would have known about that sooner.

You mean this http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Race_card

Lush Lumbago
04-16-2009, 11:28 PM
Are you fellas on some wild springtime weed? Didn't you get your ass beat bad enough the last time you tried that secessionist crap? Not only that, it was the Republicans that gave you the ass kicking.

You guys that subscribe to this stuff have stopped being American. You ain't no different than those illegals you hate so much, except they don't bitch and whine.

Goose
04-17-2009, 08:51 AM
Once we secede and the Republic of Texas has been re-established I think we should attack Mexico and take over that country just to expand and increase our size.

Remember the Alamo!

road kill
04-17-2009, 08:56 AM
That's great, can I just have some printed up, or do I have to join a club and pay dues.

HEAVY DUES!!

Pete
04-17-2009, 09:17 AM
Is it possible to give up citizenship and just be a legal alien. Seems the benefits are really good and I don't think you have to pay taxes.

Pete

sinner
04-17-2009, 09:29 AM
when we are born, we cry that we are come
To this great stage of fools!

Franco
04-17-2009, 02:14 PM
Why is that, Lush and Sinner?

Because we want to keep our American ideals and heritage?
Because we want the illegal invasion to stop.
Because we believe in The Constitution and don’t want it abused?
Because we believe that those that work shouldn’t have to support those that don’t want to?
Because we don’t believe in bailing out poorly run businesses
Because we want a smaller more efficient government?
Because we believe in Freedom of Speech?
Because we demand fiscal responsibility?

I could go on and on.

Our Liberties are under a full blown assault from your radical leftist president and his henchmen. The speed at which he is moving us into socialism/communism is enough to alarm anyone that wants to preserve this nation! He has no respect for the laws of the land and he wants to change my country into his own image.


The only way this country might be saved is through the bold actions of a few states! If not, then we can kiss our standard of living, our ideals and our heritage goodbye.

sinner
04-17-2009, 04:34 PM
Would that be past history? Is he Bushie?

BrianW
04-17-2009, 05:18 PM
Is it possible to give up citizenship and just be a legal alien. Seems the benefits are really good and I don't think you have to pay taxes. Pete

I think what you're asking is addressed in a book called
Vultures in Eagle's Clothing by Lynne Meredith (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/ref=ntt_athr_dp_sr_1?%5Fencoding=UTF8&search-type=ss&index=books&field-author=Lynne%20Meredith)

Lush Lumbago
04-17-2009, 06:07 PM
Why is that, Lush and Sinner?

Because we want to keep our American ideals and heritage?
Because we want the illegal invasion to stop.
Because we believe in The Constitution and don’t want it abused?
Because we believe that those that work shouldn’t have to support those that don’t want to?
Because we don’t believe in bailing out poorly run businesses
Because we want a smaller more efficient government?
Because we believe in Freedom of Speech?
Because we demand fiscal responsibility?

I could go on and on.

Our Liberties are under a full blown assault from your radical leftist president and his henchmen. The speed at which he is moving us into socialism/communism is enough to alarm anyone that wants to preserve this nation! He has no respect for the laws of the land and he wants to change my country into his own image.


The only way this country might be saved is through the bold actions of a few states! If not, then we can kiss our standard of living, our ideals and our heritage goodbye.

Your answer to your alledged assault is the courts. If you feel your "rights" are being violated --SUE to stop the music. See if Roberts, Scalia, Thomas and Co. at SCOTUS will hang with you. But, you won't because you have no case.

Don't preach about American ideals when you promote secession, because you say at the same time you don't want to be American.

You lost an election. Too God damned bad! Ever since, you have been catawalering like some three year old. Grow up, Booty. Put on your big boy pants and suffer through it. The rest of had to do it when that last scourge from Texas was POTUS.

Steve
04-17-2009, 06:49 PM
lush
–noun 1.drunkard; alcoholic; sot.2.intoxicating liquor.

Jerry
04-17-2009, 06:53 PM
I think we should get out. We will either succeed or we will fail.

I'll bet on success!!!! Then we won't have to put up with Obama's Socialist BS!!!!

Jerry

sinner
04-17-2009, 07:43 PM
ecause we want to keep our American ideals and heritage?
Your rantings make this hard to believe.
Because we want the illegal invasion to stop.
Invasion of what?
Because we believe in The Constitution and don’t want it abused?
Wow our past 8 years where you asleep?
Because we believe that those that work shouldn’t have to support those that don’t want to?
I am in heavy rehab. I hope you don't ever have a need from a close head injury or the like.
Because we don’t believe in bailing out poorly run businesses
Let me see? Who look the other way while this was building? The NRA?
Because we want a smaller more efficient government?
I don't disagree with this but when was the last time that happened?
Because we believe in Freedom of Speech?
No one is stopping you from expressing your opinion now are they? Paranoia is upon us.
Because we demand fiscal responsibility?
Where were you during the Chaney Bush Halliburton mess?

Franco
04-17-2009, 07:50 PM
You lost an election. Too God damned bad! Ever since, you have been catawalering like some three year old. Grow up, Booty. Put on your big boy pants and suffer through it. The rest of had to do it when that last scourge from Texas was POTUS.

When your man Clinton won, I accepted it. Didn't like it but resided to the fact that he was President. This is different. Oboma's mission is to redo the USA as he sees fit, irregardless of law. He thinks because he won he can do whatever he wants to. His administration will end our prosperity and liberty! He is a one-worlder and the USA's well-being is obviously not his priority. He will tell the folks one thing, deny it and do something different. Not sure who is pulling his strings; Soros, Wright, Pelosi Farakan, maybe just Soros. As a nation, we knew we could survive Clinton, we may not be able to survive Oboma!

greg ye
04-17-2009, 09:10 PM
There's a reason the San Jacinto Monument is taller than the Washington Monument and the Texas Flag can fly at the same height as the US Flag.

zeus3925
04-17-2009, 09:26 PM
There's a reason the San Jacinto Monument is taller than the Washington Monument and the Texas Flag can fly at the same height as the US Flag.

Let me guess Greg--Is it because they have a penile fixation?

Snicklefritz
04-17-2009, 09:31 PM
Well....if Texas seceeded from the Union, then that would be about 1500 miles of border the US wouldn't have to fence or patrol :cool:

And then, GW could head up the Texas Air Force and fly missions to protect Texas from Oklahoma :rolleyes:

And Mexico could declare war on Texas, and we could just sit back and let the best man win. That's a win/win in my opinion ;-)

And best of all...all the 'Tea Baggers' could move to Texas and have a street party where they would be welcome and suddenly irrelevant. Oops! Or, would they? Would Texicans have to pay some sort of tax...ya know...to pay for the Border Patrol and the Texas Air Force?

All in good fun. You guys are kidding....aren't you :confused:???

sinner
04-17-2009, 10:05 PM
You lost at the Alamo!
You had to have the Feds "bail" you out then.
You lost the Civil War.
My suggestion is "GO" but we keep all the property you have over run in Colorado. Questions: Do you want slaves again; never mind I know the answer.

Lush Lumbago
04-18-2009, 12:08 PM
And then, GW could head up the Texas Air Force and fly missions to protect Texas from Oklahoma :rolleyes:



If Texas does secede then they will need an air force. But since its citizens complain like ruptured camels at the mere mention of taxes, the new Republic of Texas won't be able to afford much in the way of aircraft. Finland has stepped in and offered one of its fighter bombers as a foundation for the new RTAF. Contact Jukka Oikarainen, Assistant Minister of Air Defense, Helsinki International Airport

Henry V
04-18-2009, 10:30 PM
Interesting. At least on this issue the conservatives here are consistent. In the past, when a person said that they would leave the USA because they were fearful of the policies of a President's administration some of the conservatives here have typed things like:

To any Hollywierd Lib who wants to leave I say:

Need help packing??
and

Didn't Alec Baldwin & various other Hollywood types say the same thing about Bush in 2000 & 2004??? Guess he figured America was pretty good to him after all.

Wouldn't it be nice if some of these movie stars actually followed up on some of these promises??
and

To any Hollywierd liberal who wants to leave I say:
A.M.F.
That last one is particulary interesting.

Too bad though, just like these elite hollywood liberals, Texas (another state that gets more back in Federal taxes than they pay in) probably won't leave the USA either. We could really use a couple big military bases up here and any large state pulling out would sure reduce the long term social security and medicare/medicaid burden for the rest of the country. I hope Governor Perry has more guts than the liberal hollywood elite and not only talks the talk, but walks the walk. ;)

Fortunately or unfortunately, the vast majority of Texans disagree with their governor on this. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/states_general/texas/in_texas_31_say_state_has_right_to_secede_from_u_s _but_75_opt_to_stay

Hew
04-19-2009, 12:38 AM
Too bad though, just like these elite hollywood liberals, Texas (another state that gets more back in Federal taxes than they pay in) probably won't leave the USA either.
I figured that after I demonstrated how fatuous that argument/statistic is (particularly re: a state that borders Mexico, has numerous military installations, NASA, etc.) you would have given it a rest....but like a 6 year old who refuses to part with his comforting pacifier you trot it out yet again.

Bruce MacPherson
04-19-2009, 03:40 AM
You lost at the Alamo!
You had to have the Feds "bail" you out then.
You lost the Civil War.
My suggestion is "GO" but we keep all the property you have over run in Colorado. Questions: Do you want slaves again; never mind I know the answer.

Texas lost the Civil War?

Bruce MacPherson
04-19-2009, 03:45 AM
Your answer to your alledged assault is the courts. If you feel your "rights" are being violated --SUE to stop the music. See if Roberts, Scalia, Thomas and Co. at SCOTUS will hang with you. But, you won't because you have no case.

Don't preach about American ideals when you promote secession, because you say at the same time you don't want to be American.

You lost an election. Too God damned bad! Ever since, you have been catawalering like some three year old. Grow up, Booty. Put on your big boy pants and suffer through it. The rest of had to do it when that last scourge from Texas was POTUS.

So more government intrusion, higher taxes, an apologetic approach to foreign policy and weaker defense are good things?

Lush Lumbago
04-19-2009, 07:16 AM
Texas lost the Civil War?

Must be a product of Texas education. :rolleyes:

IowaBayDog
04-19-2009, 08:41 AM
You lost an election. Too God damned bad! Ever since, you have been catawalering like some three year old. Grow up, Booty. Put on your big boy pants and suffer through it. The rest of had to do it when that last scourge from Texas was POTUS.


You mean "suffer through it" like all the good Michiganders have suffered through one of the worst Governors in the History of our Nation? Who just happens to be a Democrat with almost the exact same policies Obama is pushing nationwide. We need look no further than your State (where I grew up) to see what these policies will bring. I would have thought the Democrats in Michigan would have at least figured that out. Some never learn apparently.

Henry V
04-19-2009, 11:17 AM
I figured that after I demonstrated how fatuous that argument/statistic is (particularly re: a state that borders Mexico, has numerous military installations, NASA, etc.) you would have given it a rest....but like a 6 year old who refuses to part with his comforting pacifier you trot it out yet again.

Hew, your response illustrates the deep difference in perspective between us. The fact remains that many states that claim to be dominated by "fiscal conservatives" get more money from the federal government than they pay in. It is a wash for Texas over the long term.

You can discount federal spending for military bases, etc. all you want or consider it irrelevant but the fact remains that the economies of these states are more dependent upon the federal government than states who pay out more in federal taxes than they get in return. This is simple macroeconomics.

Look at a where most of the tea bagger rallies were held. Mostly in states that get more federal money back than they pay in. I think that is pretty ironic and will continue to reiterate this point every time it is relevant.

Thanks for the little diversion off topic again. This was about Texas seceding, as was my post. I am glad you further pointed out what the state would lose if it was not part of this great nation.

Seems like you took the bait from a six year old again. Perhaps you, as proclaimed by many of the other grown up conservatives here, should expand the list of folks that you "ignore". Apparently that is a sign of being grown up.

road kill
04-19-2009, 05:02 PM
Do you know what the bold text is? If not google it then you can apologize to the people you're trying to insult. I think that fits under the personal attack thing we're trying to get away from.

He knows what it means.
That's what the marching orders are.

Olberman and his ilk are very proud of thier 3rd grade humor.
It's who they are, it's what they do.
They love to snicker at what they can pull.

YardleyLabs
04-19-2009, 05:23 PM
From the Urban Dictionary:

"teabagger

One who opposes government policy which punishes its productive citizens under the cloak of "fairness" by seizing a disproportionate part of their assets for distribution to the irresponsible and unproductive members of its society. Shawn Hannity, Neil Cavuto, hundreds of thousands of other hardworking Americans (teabaggers) who believe hard work and responsible behavior should be rewarded, not punished by a government to reward the irresponsible and lazy in an effort to maintain its power over the same. "

If you have a problem with some of the other uses of the term you should probably take it up with FOX which has learned to milk a business out of out of the faned populist outrage of millionaires.

Lush Lumbago
04-19-2009, 05:30 PM
You mean "suffer through it" like all the good Michiganders have suffered through one of the worst Governors in the History of our Nation? Who just happens to be a Democrat with almost the exact same policies Obama is pushing nationwide. We need look no further than your State (where I grew up) to see what these policies will bring. I would have thought the Democrats in Michigan would have at least figured that out. Some never learn apparently.

This should read: You mean "suffer through it" like all the good Michiganders have suffered through several of the worst Governors in the History of our Nation? John Engler was no prize either. Sure he cut taxes but left the infrastructure go to hell. Drove out industry any way. Last good governor was Milliken--a Republican. I think Jennie is doing her best but she is in over her head.

road kill
04-19-2009, 05:49 PM
From the Urban Dictionary:

"teabagger

One who opposes government policy which punishes its productive citizens under the cloak of "fairness" by seizing a disproportionate part of their assets for distribution to the irresponsible and unproductive members of its society. Shawn Hannity, Neil Cavuto, hundreds of thousands of other hardworking Americans (teabaggers) who believe hard work and responsible behavior should be rewarded, not punished by a government to reward the irresponsible and lazy in an effort to maintain its power over the same. "

If you have a problem with some of the other uses of the term you should probably take it up with FOX which has learned to milk a business out of out of the faned populist outrage of millionaires.

I would love you to look me in the eye and tell me that's what Keith Olberman meant.
(without cracking a smile)

YardleyLabs
04-19-2009, 05:55 PM
I would love you to look me in the eye and tell me that's what Keith Olberman meant.
(without cracking a smile)

No, I suspect he was thinking more along the lines of this much more popular definition from the same source:

"teabagger

A whining fool shouting loudly for liberty but not willing to pay the bill. "

:D

IowaBayDog
04-19-2009, 07:13 PM
No, I suspect he was thinking more along the lines of this much more popular definition from the same source:

"teabagger

A whining fool shouting loudly for liberty but not willing to pay the bill. "

:D


Not willing to foot the bill?? Quite a lot of Veterans at those rallies, have you layed your life on the line for your country? The major organizers of our local protest were all veterans as was at least 1/2 the crowd of 500 or so.

You can have your fun calling us all teabaggers with your snickering humor but we all know the liberals are just Obama's Teabaggees.

YardleyLabs
04-19-2009, 07:56 PM
To evidence the sheltered nature of my own life, I was completely unaware of the sexual meaning of teabagging until I Googled it. I guess that must be a Republican pastime. However, it does seem to me that anyone wearing tea bags on their hats or mailing tea bags to others is inviting the use of that term to describe their activities. To pretend to be outraged when the term is used is to add a whole new dimension to notions of being "PC". Of course, if someone were truly outraged, and not just making a pretense for the sake of argument, dementia might be a more appropriate descripton.

JDogger
04-19-2009, 10:03 PM
I don't want to discuss filthy sex acts any further, so I'm gonna be the bigger man and bow out of this conversation.:)

OMG, are you serious? Or, are you courting the hounds of double-entendre?

The smilie leads me to suspect the later.

Very, very big of you:rolleyes:

Hew
04-19-2009, 11:02 PM
Hew, your response illustrates the deep difference in perspective between us. The fact remains that many states that claim to be dominated by "fiscal conservatives" get more money from the federal government than they pay in. It is a wash for Texas over the long term.
So which is it? Texas is a parasite (your first contention), or it's a wash for Texas? FWIW, this site says that Texas has been a net "donor" to the nation (i.e. paying more in taxes than receiving back from the Fed): http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/22685.html The only data they show is from '81 through 2005, but in those 24 years Texas never received more than they paid in taxes.

Regardless, I don't think you really want to get into comparisons of each states' relative net worth to the Union. Texas produces oil, energy, refining, beef, and agriculture for much of America. Minnesotaaah provides us with luetefisk and "A Prarie Home Companion."

JDogger
04-20-2009, 12:03 AM
So which is it? Texas is a parasite (your first contention), or it's a wash for Texas? FWIW, this site says that Texas has been a net "donor" to the nation (i.e. paying more in taxes than receiving back from the Fed): http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/22685.html The only data they show is from '81 through 2005, but in those 24 years Texas never received more than they paid in taxes.

Regardless, I don't think you really want to get into comparisons of each states' relative net worth to the Union. Texas produces oil, energy, refining, beef, and agriculture for much of America. Minnesotaaah provides us with luetefisk and "A Prarie Home Companion."

Did you overlook 2003-05 for Texas?

In the rankings for 2005 Minnesota was 48th, Texas was 42nd. Pretty close for a beef/lutefisk comparision.

Florida was 23rd, a nice middle ranking to be sure, since they provide us with OJ, flamingos and sunburn.

New Mexico was 4th, a big differential to be sure, but then we have Las Alamos and Sandia National Laboratories, making all those bombs to protect us all from the the Red Menace:rolleyes:

Henry V
04-20-2009, 12:24 AM
Yes, Hew, the old data suggests that Texas gets about the same it pays in. That's why I made the statement in my last post. Not sure about more recent data but heard reports that they get a bit more back now. Given this, I have changed my original post so it is more accurate as follows:

Interesting. At least on this issue the conservatives here are consistent. In the past, when a person said that they would leave the USA because they were fearful of the policies of a President's administration some of the conservatives here have typed things like:

To any Hollywierd Lib who wants to leave I say:

Need help packing??
and

Didn't Alec Baldwin & various other Hollywood types say the same thing about Bush in 2000 & 2004??? Guess he figured America was pretty good to him after all.

Wouldn't it be nice if some of these movie stars actually followed up on some of these promises??
and

To any Hollywierd liberal who wants to leave I say:
A.M.F.
That last one is particulary interesting.

Too bad though, just like these elite hollywood liberals, Texas probably won't leave the USA either. We could really use a couple big military bases up here and any large state pulling out would sure reduce the long term social security and medicare/medicaid burden for the rest of the country (also, as Hew points out, do not forget about all that money being spent on border patrol, and NASA). I hope Governor Perry has more guts than the liberal hollywood elite and not only talks the talk, but walks the walk. ;)

Fortunately or unfortunately, the vast majority of Texans disagree with their governor on this. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/states_general/texas/in_texas_31_say_state_has_right_to_secede_from_u_s _but_75_opt_to_stay.

Is that better for you? Hopefully without the tax reference it is more on point so that you will be less distracted. Oh, and by the way, I am all for more responsible government spending and I agree with the folks that think secession is a bad idea.

JDogger
04-20-2009, 12:42 AM
So...if Texas secedes... does that mean they won't come here to ski anymore....? Maybe the slopes of Flooridaah.

Hew
04-20-2009, 05:09 AM
Is that better for you? Hopefully without the tax reference it is more on point so that you will be less distracted.
Umm, yeah...not so much. The crux of your original post was that Texas has a parasitic relationship with the United States, and that it was hypocritical of Texas (and conservatives) to remind the nation of their sovereignty as they suck from the Federal teat. That's not a fresh argument for you, as you've used the, "Oh yeah, well your state gets more money than it pays" argument NUMEROUS times before. I have pointed out to you the apples-to-bowling balls nature of those comparisons in the past...i.e. it is lame. According to my previous link, your original contention that Texas is a parasite was not only lame, but it was not even factually accurate. You could have issued a simple mea culpa and that would be that. Instead you want to blame me for being "distracted" by your inaccurate, ahem, "facts." Given your previous statements about the importance of facts, it is saddening that you suddenly find the truth to be so darn distracting:


Sorry UB. I'll just keep posting the facts from time to time and reserve the right to respond to interesting weather reports.


There you go again Jeff, trying to argue on point and with the facts on your side.



For a bit of balance based on the real facts, you may want to check out this article



Great response but I need to make a point of clarification. I never said that I "enjoyed" subsidize your state's existence with my federal tax dollars. I just stated the facts.



This is pure speculation and contrary to the facts at hand but convoluted logic is a mainstay here so I am not surprised.



So, the truth is now "crap being spread". If you want to provide evidence that anything I put out there is untrue then have at it.


Hmmmm... I was thinking that just because the Palin/McCain camp says it is the truth over and over and over doesn't make it the truth.



She said in her speech that she is a hockey Mom not a soccer mom. I think she was also in the state pageant not the county. Please, let's get the facts straight.

Marvin S
04-20-2009, 09:28 AM
and any large state pulling out would sure reduce the long term social security and medicare/medicaid burden for the rest of the country (also, as Hew points out, do not forget about all that money being spent on border patrol, and NASA).

GW tried to do something about the long term implications of the SS issue & was shot down by your like minded cohorts. Had these accounts been properly invested rather than raided by both parties there would be a surplus & the amount of the SS/Medicare tax on paychecks would be much less. But one does have to work into their golden years to prior to being able to draw from that source. Also remember, There is no choice regarding participation. :confused:

Now let's talk about public employee retirement &/or the plush retirement of the elected critters. That's considered to be a bigger ticking time bomb by most of the knowledgeable individuals who will put it on the table. I really feel for the government employees of any type when they step into whine mode. I will not call attention to any particular group as we all know who they are.

Henry V
04-20-2009, 03:43 PM
Umm, yeah...not so much. The crux of your original post was that Texas has a parasitic relationship with the United States, ..........
Wow, what post were you reading? The crux of my original post clearly was not about the return on tax dollars. It is curious that you think a simple phrase nested in parenthesis in a much larger message is the crux of the message. I don't know about you, but I have learned that it is not usually a good idea to put the crux of a post in a short phrase nested in parenthesis, that's where you work in rather anecdotal information to get a rise out of people not the crux of a post.

My original message simply was an attempt to acknowledge that some of the conservatives that post here were consistent (first sentence=more crux like). When the liberal hollywood elite threatened to leave the country they stepped up and said Yeah!, or better yet "AMF!". Now that the Governor of Texas said the same things, some said great idea too. I also acknowledged that, depending on your point of view, it was good that the majority of Texans did not agree with their governor (last sentence=more crux like too). At this point I could have also made a statement like "way to try and rally the base Governor" but I refrained from adding such useless folly since I figured my other phrase inserted in parenthesis would be enough of a burr for some and I can always save that one for another time anyway.

Prior to my second post I double checked my facts related to the anecdotal statement, noted my mistake, and then re-posted a corrected version after your next reply. What more do you expect from a 6 year old?

One last thing, next time I want to do a keyword search of past records of what I or others have typed here can I contract with you? ;) You seem to do good work.

Henry V
04-20-2009, 04:31 PM
Please note, this is a response to an off topic post directed at me. I apologize in advance. If you are interested in "the republic of Texas" it will not be mentioned.

GW tried to do something about the long term implications of the SS issue & was shot down by your like minded cohorts. Had these accounts been properly invested rather than raided by both parties there would be a surplus & the amount of the SS/Medicare tax on paychecks would be much less. But one does have to work into their golden years to prior to being able to draw from that source. Also remember, There is no choice regarding participation. :confused:
I believe that the stock market related events of the past six months reinforce the need for the social security program. It was never intended as a primary retirement income source and should never be viewed as such. It should not be raided. In my simple world, I view it as investing a part of my retirement portfolio in federal government bond funds and got over it long ago.


Now let's talk about public employee retirement &/or the plush retirement of the elected critters. That's considered to be a bigger ticking time bomb by most of the knowledgeable individuals who will put it on the table. I really feel for the government employees of any type when they step into whine mode. I will not call attention to any particular group as we all know who they are.
Ok, but you may want to double check whether public employees get a plush retirement compared to the private sector these days. I work regularly with state, federal, and local government employees. Aside from old timers in the federal system, they seem to get get a pretty average retirement package. The feds do get an great match on their 401K and can buy health care in the system after retirement. Not sure about elected officials retirement packages. Based on what I have read, it is medicare that is the giant problem looming in the future.

J Connolly
04-20-2009, 05:21 PM
"I view it as investing a part of my retirement portfolio in federal government bond funds and got over it long ago"

Just a quick wake up call, but nothing could be further than the truth. Your socia security has been spent every year and all you have is the hope that the next generation will keep paying in so you get something.You are not investing in government bonds but paying for the benefits of those currently on SS.

Goose
04-20-2009, 08:19 PM
With social security our government has been stealing money from us for years and years. It's not a government bond fund but it most certainly is a government ponzi scheme. Open up the social security lock box and you will find absolutely nothing in it for you. Zero, zilch, nada. Your contribution has already been spent. You get a big, fat IOU.

And Dear Leader is as gutless as past political leaders in this country when dealing with this monstrous problem. He'll punt if he can.

Another great reason for Texas to secede.

Steve Amrein
04-20-2009, 08:31 PM
Name calling does not bring anything to the discussion. Whats really sad the same people that are using "tea Bagging" to to demean protester's are the same folks that would call for someone to be fired or imprisoned for using faggot or nappy headed. The so called party of tolerance continues to show it true colors.

Maybe if the term is so funny that those that use it would not mind the modern tea bagging act pics shown to wives and kids..

OOOOOOOOOOOOh now it inappropriate........... I get it.

Marvin S
04-20-2009, 10:48 PM
Please note, this is a response to an off topic post directed at me. I apologize in advance. If you are interested in "the republic of Texas" it will not be mentioned.

As you had broached the subject in a previous post I felt an obligation to correct your lack of knowledge. :)


I believe that the stock market related events of the past six months reinforce the need for the social security program. It was never intended as a primary retirement income source and should never be viewed as such. It should not be raided. In my simple world, I view it as investing a part of my retirement portfolio in federal government bond funds and got over it long ago.

GW's proposal did not eliminate the SS program, but would have allowed a portion of their input to be directed to a self directed account.If one views the Stock Market in a somewhat larger perspective, one finds that it is the superior return mechanism.

As for getting over it, those of us posting recognize you are a superior being, at least to the majority of us who post here. Personally, I enjoy the exchanges where you wallow in your presumed superiority. :rolleyes:



Ok, but you may want to double check whether public employees get a plush retirement compared to the private sector these days. I work regularly with state, federal, and local government employees. Aside from old timers in the federal system, they seem to get get a pretty average retirement package. The feds do get an great match on their 401K and can buy health care in the system after retirement. Not sure about elected officials retirement packages. Based on what I have read, it is medicare that is the giant problem looming in the future.

I'll just deal with the 3 highlighted items -

Work as defined by Webster - 1) exertion or effort directed to produce something. 2) productive or operative activity. So did you & the employees produce something?

How would one define pretty average - what's not much to one is a bundle to another - Numbers would have gone a long way toward making your point. As my granddaughter asked her dad, If teachers are so poor, why are they all going to Hawaii for Spring Break? It's very relative, but numbers are much better to make that determination.

Medicare is only in the shape it's in because of mismanagement by the political class. Once the government establishes a program seniors have to enroll in order to obtain the little protection & oversight available. It's called covering your bases.

The prescription drug program was done without my support & I did write my congress critters. But AARP was behind it & it was a done deal. Did you know the AARP hierarchy consists mainly of public employees?

Now we can get back to talking about Texans - my 1st employment when I got the BS degree was at a mine with a bunch of UTEP'ers also in somewhat my same predicament. They were fun people, though on occasion would take themselves a little seriously. As I used to tell them - 20 pounds of cow crap crammed into a 5 pound container. You might ask yourself if you fit in there somewhere? :-P :-P

Henry V
04-21-2009, 01:20 AM
Hi Marvin, just a few quick responses since it's late. I am still in the office "not producing anything".

As you had broached the subject in a previous post I felt an obligation to correct your lack of knowledge. :)
I made the disclaimer comment because on more than one occasion recently there have been accusations that "liberals" just post off-topic to divert the discussions. Just wanted to be clear. I also note that my first post was generally on topic.


GW's proposal did not eliminate the SS program, but would have allowed a portion of their input to be directed to a self directed account.If one views the Stock Market in a somewhat larger perspective, one finds that it is the superior return mechanism.
You might be surprised, but I think it would be OK to allow a small portion of SS to be directed to another account, as long as the existing beneficiaries could be covered during a transition but if it gets left more or less alone that's Ok too. It depends on the level of risk you are comfortable with.


As for getting over it, those of us posting recognize you are a superior being, at least to the majority of us who post here. Personally, I enjoy the exchanges where you wallow in your presumed superiority. :rolleyes: Not sure of what I posted that makes you think I think I am superior. Are you trying to play the "all liberals think they are superior to us card" here? Sorry, it does not fit me. Far from it if you knew me.



How would one define pretty average - what's not much to one is a bundle to another - Numbers would have gone a long way toward making your point. As my granddaughter asked her dad, If teachers are so poor, why are they all going to Hawaii for Spring Break? It's very relative, but numbers are much better to make that determination.
Yes. I agree. I tried to respond to your original point by presenting a perspective based on recent direct discussions with public employees. You did not present any numbers or provide any evidence to make your original point on this issue, did you? Why is the burden of proof only on me?


The prescription drug program was done without my support & I did write my congress critters. But AARP was behind it & it was a done deal. Did you know the AARP hierarchy consists mainly of public employees?
Agreed on first points. Don't know about the last one.


Now we can get back to talking about Texans - my 1st employment when I got the BS degree was at a mine with a bunch of UTEP'ers also in somewhat my same predicament. They were fun people, though on occasion would take themselves a little seriously. As I used to tell them - 20 pounds of cow crap crammed into a 5 pound container. You might ask yourself if you fit in there somewhere? :-P :-P
Texas seems to be a great state with many great people. I never said anything different. Yes, Marvin, sometimes I get too serious, but for the record, please note that my original post was far from being in this category.

Goose
04-21-2009, 05:44 PM
Today marks the anniversary of the glorious Battle of San Jacinto where Texas kicked Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna's butt and won its independence from Mexico.

What a great day for Texas to secede! Remember the Alamo!

zeus3925
04-21-2009, 11:02 PM
Today marks the anniversary of the glorious Battle of San Jacinto where Texas kicked Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna's butt and won its independence from Mexico.

What a great day for Texas to secede! Remember the Alamo!

Ga bye! Hip Hip Hooray! No more W's or LBJ's!

zeus3925
04-24-2009, 08:49 AM
Entered without further comment.


http://freep.com/article/20090424/OPINION05/904240321

road kill
04-24-2009, 08:54 AM
I like this quote from Mr. Pitts jr. ;

"That it is borderline traitorous for Perry to obliquely threaten it might be tried again goes without saying. That it is dangerously irresponsible in a nation where there are, in fact, goobers in the woods with guns, is likewise obvious."

Any questions on this guys crdibiliy.....you "GOOBERS!!"

In the woods regards,