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Legacy 6
04-20-2009, 11:53 AM
This is a continuation of Thread: "The only thing Slower than the Postal Service."

SEAL team deployment stalled 36 hours, hampered by limited rules of engagement

Posted: April 18, 2009
11:45 pm Eastern

2009 WorldNetDaily

WASHINGTON While Barack Obama is basking in praise for his "decisive" handling of the Somali pirate attack on a merchant ship in the India Ocean, reliable military sources close to the scene are painting a much different picture of the incident accusing the president of employing restrictive rules of engagement that actually hampered the rescue of Capt. Richard Phillips and extended the drama at sea for days.

Multiple opportunities to free the captain of the Maersk Alabama from three young pirates were missed, these sources say all because a Navy SEAL team was not immediately ordered to the scene and then forced to operate under strict, non-lethal rules of engagement.

They say the response duty office at the Pentagon was initially unwilling to grant an order to use lethal force to rescue Phillips. They also report the White House refused to authorize deployment of a Navy SEAL team to the location for 36 hours, despite the recommendation of the on-scene commander.

The White House also turned down two rescue plans offered up by the Seal commander on the scene and the captain of the USS Bainbridge.
The SEAL team operated under rules of engagement that required them to do nothing unless the hostage's life was in "imminent' danger.

In fact, when the USS Bainbridge dispatched a rigid-hull inflatable boat to bring supplies to the Maersk Alabama, it came under fire that could not be returned even though the SEAL team had the pirates in their sights.
Many hours before the fatal shots were fired, taking out the three young pirates, Phillips jumped into the Indian Ocean with the idea of giving the snipers a clear target. However, the SEAL team was still under orders not to shoot.

Hours later, frustrated by the missed opportunities to resolve the standoff, the commander of the Bainbridge and the captain of the Navy SEAL team determined they had operational authority to evaluate the risk to the hostage, and took out the pirates at the first opportunity finally freeing Phillips.

The G2 Bulletin report was authored by Joseph Farah, founder and editor of WND, and a veteran newsman with extensive military sources developed over the last 30 years.

BrianW
04-20-2009, 12:38 PM
But, I would be very curious to know how many times that requests for authorization were turned down first ... it never should have been allowed to get this far in the first place.
While I have my doubts about WND, I'm NOT to surprised to hear something like this at all.


Thank God, that if this incident did have to occur, that it happened now while our forces still have funds for the manpower, arms & training. How many of the teams are going to end up cut or not have the equipment to train with in the upcoming budgets? What happens when ships like the Bainbridge are going to be forced to sit in port like so many cops at a donut shop and take even longer to get on the scene?

I guess it won't matter if Obama won't use the tools he has available.


Could it be that Hillary was actually right in the campaign regarding the 3 AM phone call scenario? :eek:

cotts135
04-20-2009, 01:05 PM
This is a continuation of Thread: "The only thing Slower than the Postal Service."

SEAL team deployment stalled 36 hours, hampered by limited rules of engagement

Posted: April 18, 2009
11:45 pm Eastern

2009 WorldNetDaily

WASHINGTON – While Barack Obama is basking in praise for his "decisive" handling of the Somali pirate attack on a merchant ship in the India Ocean, reliable military sources close to the scene are painting a much different picture of the incident – accusing the president of employing restrictive rules of engagement that actually hampered the rescue of Capt. Richard Phillips and extended the drama at sea for days.

Any time I see a reporter who uses a first hand account then refuses to name his source my BS detector immediately goes off. There are just to many scenarious where this can be abused and that to put 100% trust in it is foolish. (Accusing the president of employing restrictive rules of engagement )This is standard operating procedure during the early phases of any hostage situation. Nothing telling in that.



Multiple opportunities to free the captain of the Maersk Alabama from three young pirates were missed, these sources say all because a Navy SEAL team was not immediately ordered to the scene and then forced to operate under strict, non-lethal rules of engagement.

They say the response duty office at the Pentagon was initially unwilling to grant an order to use lethal force to rescue Phillips. They also report the White House refused to authorize deployment of a Navy SEAL team to the location for 36 hours, despite the recommendation of the on-scene commander.

The White House also turned down two rescue plans offered up by the Seal commander on the scene and the captain of the USS Bainbridge.
The SEAL team operated under rules of engagement that required them to do nothing unless the hostage's life was in "imminent' danger.

In fact, when the USS Bainbridge dispatched a rigid-hull inflatable boat to bring supplies to the Maersk Alabama, it came under fire that could not be returned even though the SEAL team had the pirates in their sights.
Many hours before the fatal shots were fired, taking out the three young pirates, Phillips jumped into the Indian Ocean with the idea of giving the snipers a clear target. However, the SEAL team was still under orders not to shoot.

Hours later, frustrated by the missed opportunities to resolve the standoff, the commander of the Bainbridge and the captain of the Navy SEAL team determined they had operational authority to evaluate the risk to the hostage, and took out the pirates at the first opportunity – finally freeing Phillips.

To read this last paragraph you would think that the Captain acted alone and decided a pre-emptive strike was the way to go. From all the news accounts I read (with sources named) the Captain was authorized to use lethal force in event the hostage was in immediate danger. That came from the White House and is well known. I find it highly unlikely from the beginning of this hostage crisis that lethal force would not have been authorized and proper given the circumstances.

Raymond Little
04-20-2009, 02:36 PM
F*%#@ Imminent Danger!:mad: Gotta Luv the Candy#*% liberals.

Big Stick Regards;)

Bob Gutermuth
04-20-2009, 03:49 PM
Comrade Osama probably wanted to talk to the pirates and make them see the error of their ways. The guy is a eunuch.

road kill
04-20-2009, 04:01 PM
Comrade Osama probably wanted to talk to the pirates and make them see the error of their ways. The guy is a eunuch.
....and give them the "Bro" handshake!!;)

Steve
04-20-2009, 04:47 PM
Reminds of the attempted rescue of the Iranian embassy hostages

". . .Carter agonized over whether to rescue American hostages in Tehran. According to Charlie Beckwith, the commander of Delta Force in charge of the mission, he informed Carter's point man, Warren Christopher, that in the rescue effort "anyone who is holding a hostage, we intend to shoot him, and shoot him right between the eyes. We intend to shoot him twice." Christopher was stunned, according to Beckwith. "Would you consider shooting them in the leg, or in the ankle or the shoulder?"

JDogger
04-20-2009, 11:02 PM
F*%#@ Imminent Danger!:mad: Gotta Luv the Candy#*% liberals.

Big Stick Regards;)



Step back hew, subroc, marvin, ub, leg 6, brian w.,steve, bob g.,roadkill, booty, pete, bbg, and not to forget... julie r, et al. The BIG STICK has arrived to speak for you all.
Tell me you're proud.:neutral:
JD

Julie R.
04-20-2009, 11:05 PM
Here's a tear-jerker for you Obomo lovers: The mammy of the remaining pirate is begging Obomo to release her boy because he's underage and "he didn't do nuffin". Too bad they don't have schools in Somalia so the media can't portray the murderous thieving thug as an honor student and aspiring rapper. Since Somalia is conveniently a cesspool with no functioning government it's very easy for someone to step forward, pretend to be the mother of this little thug and claim he's underage.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8008835.stm



Mrs Hassan told the BBC's Somali service: "I am requesting the American government, I am requesting President Obama to release my child. He has got nothing to do with the pirates' crime.
"He is a minor; he is under-age and he has been used for this crime. I also request from the US, if they choose to put him on trial, I want them to invite me there."


Translation: she's appealing to our hAfrican president to release the man because we can't prove he's old enough to stand trial, but oh, if we do go ahead and try him, would we mind paying for her and some of her kin to relocate here?

JDogger
04-20-2009, 11:11 PM
Here's a tear-jerker for you Obomo lovers: The mammy of the remaining pirate is begging Obomo to release her boy because he's underage and "he didn't do nuffin". Too bad they don't have schools in Somalia so the media can't portray the murderous thieving thug as an honor student and aspiring rapper. Since Somalia is conveniently a cesspool with no functioning government it's very easy for someone to step forward, pretend to be the mother of this little thug and claim he's underage.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8008835.stm



Translation: she's appealing to our hAfrican president to release the man because we can't prove he's old enough to stand trial, but oh, if we do go ahead and try him, would we mind paying for her and some of her kin to relocate here?

Nuff' said.

Julie R.
04-20-2009, 11:32 PM
Nuff' said. I'd welcome them in my town.

Fixed it for ya. ;-)
http://i490.photobucket.com/albums/rr266/MouseOnAFeedsack/Democrats.jpg

JDogger
04-20-2009, 11:44 PM
[quote=Julie R.;433347]Fixed it for ya. ;-)
http://i490.photobucket.com/albums/rr266/MouseOnAFeedsack/Democrats.jpg[/quote Were dem foxes??? Fahqueer county? where my GPS?

Julie, yer a hoot. Now can ya fix it for Mr. Little too? We're countin' on ya jule....

Mouseonafeedsackregards

BrianW
04-21-2009, 02:43 AM
would we mind paying for her and some of her kin to relocate here?

I'm SURE it would only be a 'temporary" visit. ;)
Maybe they could stay w/ Zeituni Onyango (President Obama's aunt) for a while!

Raymond Little
04-21-2009, 01:27 PM
[quote=JDogger;433342]Step back hew, subroc, marvin, ub, leg 6, brian w.,steve, bob g.,roadkill, booty, pete, bbg, and not to forget... julie r, et al. The BIG STICK has arrived to speak for you all.
Tell me you're proud.:neutral:
JD[/quot
Never have believed in bending over and letting the rest of the world B.F.
us like our current POTUS. Singing KUMBAY isn't in my vocabulary, would
prefer to use a 50 cal on them.;)

Match Barrel Regards

JDogger
04-21-2009, 08:31 PM
[quote=JDogger;433342]Step back hew, subroc, marvin, ub, leg 6, brian w.,steve, bob g.,roadkill, booty, pete, bbg, and not to forget... julie r, et al. The BIG STICK has arrived to speak for you all.
Tell me you're proud.:neutral:
JD[/quot
Never have believed in bending over and letting the rest of the world B.F.
us like our current POTUS. Singing KUMBAY isn't in my vocabulary, would
prefer to use a 50 cal on them.;)

Match Barrel Regards

Obviously....

Joe S.
04-22-2009, 09:47 AM
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/04/21/1902281.aspx

Kind Regards,

Joe S.

Julie R.
04-22-2009, 10:10 AM
Nah, a bogus email about the SEALs is old news. Here's the real scoop:


OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT
THE WHITE HOUSE
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE TO ALL ELECTRONIC & DRUM BEATEN MEDIA
http://i490.photobucket.com/albums/rr266/MouseOnAFeedsack/oBONGo.jpg

"Wait a minute here, I didn't authorize attacks on the pirates, I authorized A TAX on the pirates!"

BrianW
04-22-2009, 11:16 AM
The MSNBC story is obviously a coverup as this current WH would NEVER officially designate the hostage rescue operation as a "COUNTER-TERRORISM OPERATION. :rolleyes: Much too provocative

This would be the epitome of an 'overseas contingency operation" or possibly a DEVGRU Support Dispatch due to a "man caused disaster" but the "T" word, sorry can't believe THAT one.

JDogger
04-22-2009, 08:13 PM
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/04/21/1902281.aspx

Kind Regards,

Joe S.

Wecome back Joe.

JD

Joe S.
04-23-2009, 06:59 AM
Wecome back Joe.

JD

Thanks, JD. Take me as I am 'cause I can't stay long. I'm between terms and somethings can only be taken in really, really, really, REALLY small doses...me included! ;-)

Tom Petty Regards,

Joe S.