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BonMallari
04-28-2009, 11:53 AM
after 30 yrs Specter switches to the Dem party, looks like he was going to lose the primary anyhow, remember he was one of the three republicans that voted for the bailout, hope the constituents of Pennsylvania send him into retirement

Goose
04-28-2009, 12:44 PM
He's such a coward...perfectly suited for his new party.

badbullgator
04-28-2009, 12:55 PM
Good at least now he is where he belongs no loss he was already a dem

Uncle Bill
04-28-2009, 03:19 PM
I loved his claim that the Republican party is too far to the right. HAHAHAHAHA. Hellsbells...any party, including the Greens, are too far right for Mr. Spector. He's been a bona fide RINO for years. The folks in Pennsylvania must be elated.

Just think, Jeff, now you have your chance to vote for him legitimatley. That will be an election the nation will be holding it's breath over. Hopefully the conservatives can gain a foothold in that state and show Spector what being right REALLY means.

Just think, Barney's got the queer vote, now Spector has the Morpheus vote. You folks in the Democrat party must be so proud, following so close to what the founding fathers had in mind to lead the Nation. :rolleyes:

UB

Marvin S
04-28-2009, 03:46 PM
For those of you with short memories - This is the guy GW backed in the primary, 5 years ago - only to get bit repeatedly by his votes - but just another example of GW's inability to pick a winner.

Bob Gutermuth
04-28-2009, 03:51 PM
AMF to the liberal RINO. Another Benedict Arnold joins the Dems.

Evan
04-28-2009, 03:59 PM
He's actually returning to them. He began as a Democrat, ran for state DA as a Republican and found electability on that side of the isle. All's well that ends well.

Evan

BonMallari
04-28-2009, 04:37 PM
I think the correct term is now Benedict Arlen......its ironic that the voters that continually put him in office as a RINO will now be the ones that hopefully will be the ones that take him out of office...it should be illegal that a sitting Senator switch parties while in office

BrianW
04-28-2009, 04:40 PM
"I am not prepared to have my 29 year record in the United States Senate decided by the Pennsylvania Republican primary electorate."

Translated: I'm too addicted to my cushy life, feelings of self importance and Senate perks so the people of Pennsylvania can just kiss my a$$.

Bob Gutermuth
04-28-2009, 05:18 PM
Translated: I never voted with the GOP so now my azz is getting out before the GOP decides to pay me back!

Hew
04-28-2009, 05:49 PM
Making lemonade out of lemons:

Spector's defection totally marginalizes Al Franken. All this time he thought he was going to be the white knight riding in to provide the Dems with their coveted 60 vote margin and Spector steals his thunder. Tomorrow I suspect the phones at the Franken Legal Defense Fund are gonna be awfully quiet.

Pete
04-28-2009, 06:26 PM
He has been a liberal ever since I can remember. If you have a bucket of poop and put a "peaches" label on it,,,,it doesn't change the contents.
Although he was considered a rep. I always considered him a lib.
He can say one thing one day and be 180 degrees the next,,,and not remember he said it or will try to explain what he said that he didn't say.
Typical liberal.

Pete

YardleyLabs
04-28-2009, 06:28 PM
I heard about this on my way back from training this afternoon. I'll have to send him a nicer letter and a check. I would have preferred that the Republican party remain open to people of diverse opinions. But if it chooses not to, as seems to be the case, maybe the Democrats can be smarter. I actually voted for Spector before the effort to impeach Clinton but decided not to vote for any more Republicans after that until the party decides to move back towards the center.

Bob Gutermuth
04-28-2009, 07:19 PM
Jeff do you really think the Dems are open to different opinions within the party? Show me where the pro life democrats are hiding.

Gerry Clinchy
04-28-2009, 07:42 PM
"I am not prepared to have my 29 year record in the United States Senate decided by the Pennsylvania Republican primary electorate."


I think 29 years is quite long enough to do whatever great things he intended to do ... and I can't think of any great things he actually ever did.

Time for some fresh ideas.

YardleyLabs
04-28-2009, 08:21 PM
Jeff do you really think the Dems are open to different opinions within the party? Show me where the pro life democrats are hiding.

Bob Casey, PA's other Senator, is strongly anti-abortion and ran with full support of the party. I voted for him, against the conservative wunderkind Santorum, and expect that I will vote for him again, as I did his father, despite strongly disagreeing with his position on freedom of reproductive choice.

YardleyLabs
04-28-2009, 08:23 PM
I think 29 years is quite long enough to do whatever great things he intended to do ... and I can't think of any great things he actually ever did.

Time for some fresh ideas.
And that was what the last election was all about.....;)

Bob Gutermuth
04-28-2009, 08:33 PM
My point is that with the dems claiming to be the diverse party, where is the diverstiy of opinion? There are so few anti abortiion dems, so few pro gun, pro national defense, anti tax etc etc ad infinitum that the dems cannot call themselves the big tent.

Eric Johnson
04-28-2009, 09:17 PM
"I am not prepared to have my 29 year record in the United States Senate decided by the Pennsylvania Republican primary electorate."

The thing is, that's exactly what should happen. If he was good and truly represented the people of Pennsylvania, his record would stand a primary scrutiny. He's admitted to political cowardice.

Eric

Leddyman
04-28-2009, 09:57 PM
Bob Casey, PA's other Senator, is strongly anti-abortion and ran with full support of the party. I voted for him, against the conservative wunderkind Santorum, and expect that I will vote for him again, as I did his father, despite strongly disagreeing with his position on freedom of reproductive choice.

Reproductive choice my big fat behind, it's killing babies plain and simple.

JDogger
04-28-2009, 10:17 PM
Reproductive choice my big fat behind, it's killing babies plain and simple.

No...this is killing babies. Trust the generals.




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Pete
04-28-2009, 10:44 PM
I think keeping government out of peoples lives is actually a conservative concept.
The right to abort as long as you pay for it is as conservative as balancing a check book. Or killing an intruder.

Its the religious right that has deturmined 16 or 32 cells are a higher life form.
When a woman unintentionally miscarries do we charge her with involuntary manslaughter
Sperm has the potential for life too. Your all a bunch of murderers:D:p

Oh yea we were talking about Arlen Spector. Sorry


Pete

Leddyman
04-28-2009, 11:04 PM
Their hearts are beating, they are little tiny people. You cry about how we treat terrorists and you support the killing of the most innocent.

It doesn't surprise me after having read your drivel.

zeus3925
04-28-2009, 11:59 PM
Oh Joy! We now are going to the pro choice/pro life debate again. So we are going to scream and holler at each other for the next three weeks? Who are you all going to convince? NO ONE!. The sides have been chosen a long time ago.

JDogger
04-29-2009, 12:12 AM
Their hearts are beating, they are little tiny people. You cry about how we treat terrorists and you support the killing of the most innocent.

It doesn't surprise me after having read your drivel.

Please feel free to review my meager posts and cite any links where I cry about about the treatment of terrorists or support the killing of the most innocent. Please.

Sincere regards,

JD

Sarge, Its what we do herehttp://discussion.treocentral.com/images/smilies/poke.gif

Bruce MacPherson
04-29-2009, 01:45 AM
No...this is killing babies. Trust the generals.




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Apparently only the enlightened left sees humor in this stuff. This is really offensive in my opinion.

Bob Gutermuth
04-29-2009, 06:53 AM
Ain't it amazing how the looney left supports the murder of innocent babies, but opposes the execution of convicted murderers???????????

brian breuer
04-29-2009, 08:19 AM
My point is that with the dems claiming to be the diverse party, where is the diverstiy of opinion? There are so few anti abortiion dems, so few pro gun, pro national defense, anti tax etc etc ad infinitum that the dems cannot call themselves the big tent.

I'm not going to discuss the abortion issue but I will offer up Dorgan, Conrad (ND-Senators)
Pomeroy - (ND - House) and the two Senators from MT - Baucus and Tester as pro gun democrats. I am sure there are a few more but these are the local folks that I am aware of.

Franco
04-29-2009, 09:20 AM
I think keeping government out of peoples lives is actually a conservative concept.
The right to abort as long as you pay for it is as conservative as balancing a check book. Or killing an intruder.



This is 100% correct and if the Republicans would stick to being real Conservatives ie. Fiscally responsible, small government etc they would have a chance at winning seats in 2010 and possible the White House in 2012.

It is the redefining of Conservative by folks like Hannity and Limbaugh that has alienated many would be Republicans.

Anti-choice is supported by such a small minority that the Republicans have no chance of winning as long as they stick with this in thier platform. Had McCain said what he really beleived in his campaign and not caved in to the frantical right-wing of the party on Abortion, he would have not loss by 6% of the vote.

Because McCain alienated the moderates, we got Obomo instead.

JDogger
04-29-2009, 09:29 AM
Apparently only the enlightened left sees humor in this stuff. This is really offensive in my opinion.

Well then you did get it. Only the wacked out right would protest freedom of choice, but glorify the offensiveness of war.

WaterDogRem
04-29-2009, 12:00 PM
Is this thread about Arlen or abortion? Or is Arlen having an Abortion???


But if you must talk about abortion. I'm Pro-life, and it's not because of killing an innocent life. It's because you had a choice, have sex or not, use protection or not. Learn to take responsibility for your choices and actions! That's the problem I have with Pro-Choice; it doesn't care about responsibilities and accountability. Pro-choicers had a choice, but if you don't like the outcome you want another choice? Sorry, learn to take responsibility for your choices. This is why our country has so many problems now, no personal responsibility or accountability for your choices/actions.

End of rant

WaterDogRem
04-29-2009, 12:34 PM
Come on we all know why he changed, to keep his seat in the senate. Politicians like this, who don't care about the people but just want to keep their seat for personal reasons, need to be ousted. Hope PA shows Arlen retirement.

YardleyLabs
04-29-2009, 01:00 PM
Come on we all know why he changed, to keep his seat in the senate. Politicians like this, who don't care about the people but just want to keep their seat for personal reasons, need to be ousted. Hope PA shows Arlen retirement.
Specter has had trouble winning the republican primary in his last two elections and has won the state largely because of crossover democratic voters. His ability to win the party nomination before has depended on heavy handed support from the Republican party leadership, including the Bush White House, which understood that a more conservative candidate would lose just as Santorum did.

Unfortunately a negative aspect of the primary system is that it is dominated by the most extreme groups in each party because of the overall low turnout. Historically, the party that has nominated the candidate closer to the center wins and the party that decides to use the primary to purify itself ideologically loses. For years, the Democrats managed to lose elections despite polls that indicated that the majority of voters favored the Democratic platform. However, the most liberal members of the party decided to try to dominate the nomination process and elected candidates that could not win. At the national level, this gave us McGovern and Dukakis.

Since the Gingrich revolution, Republicans have sought to purify their ranks. They have been succeeding and the result has been a massive shift towards Democrat candidates. If extreme conservatives -- measured by opinions relative to the majority of voters -- continue to dominate nominations, the GOP will be marginalized, which would be unfortunate for all of us. I don't believe that will happen since most politicians hate to lose. Snow may be the next person driven out of the GOP, which would leave the GOP with almost no leverage in the Senate.

code3retrievers
04-29-2009, 01:11 PM
Come on Jeff what a load of crap. Lets look at he national stage. If the Republicans have been dominated by the far right how come it has not nominated a far right candidate in years.

McCain-moderate
Bush II - moderate
Bush I-moderate
Dole - Conservative


If you think any of these were far right you must be so far left you can't look to your right.
The country swings one way and then the other. Right now we are on a left swing but it will come back after the left really screws things up.

Franco
04-29-2009, 01:15 PM
Snow may be the next person driven out of the GOP, which would leave the GOP with almost no leverage in the Senate.



And, a blessing in disguise. Because in three years, we can hang the mess that is being created by the Obomonites on them. Let them have complete ownership of the massive out-of-control spending, weakend foreign policy, weakend military, and heavy socialist programs.

Just like the UAW will now be the second largest stock owner of GM, with our gooberment the number one stock holder. GM is doomed under these circumstances. But, it is the tax payers for many generations who will have to foot the billions in bailout money with interest.

I will never buy another GM vehicle!

BrianW
04-29-2009, 01:43 PM
Jmtc, but this "change" further illustrates how there is not that much difference bewteen the 2 "parties" which is reflected in the facts that 2/3 of eleigible voters, DON'T. Why vote if there's no real choice?
So a republicrat decides to become a demoplican, it's just different heads of the same pushmepullyou as his lame excuses on Hannity's show before voting for the stimulus bill showed.

If as so many assert, that the elephants need to be more centrist in order to win elections, shouldn't this candidacy have been an ideal opprtunity to prove that?

Goose
04-29-2009, 02:24 PM
I'm wondering if Senator Specter has already ordered his jackboots since they've become so fashionable with his new party. It usually takes a little longer if ordered with hobnails.

Franco
04-29-2009, 03:01 PM
Here's more information on Benedict Arlen...

His most famous case, however, came in 1979, when he was in private practice and thinking about running for the Senate. A man named Ira Einhorn (http://www.crimelibrary.com/classics/einhorn/), better known as the "Unicorn," had been arrested for the murder of his girlfriend; she had been missing for a year and a half when police found her mummified corpse squeezed into a trunk hidden in Einhorn's closet.
Einhorn was a celebrated leftist and is credited with helping found Earth Day. He also had strong ties to Philadelphia elites a group of people Specter was cultivating for his prospective Senate campaign when he agreed to become Einhorn's lawyer.
At an arraignment, the government demanded a $100,000 bail for Einhorn. Before Judge William Marutani, Specter called this "excessively excessive" and insisted on a reduced figure. Marutani wondered if Einhorn might "split for parts unknown." He mentioned Norway as a possible destination. "I have to disagree with your last statement," replied Specter. "Anybody is as likely to go to Norway as anybody else." Through the future senator's efforts, Einhorn's bail was dropped to $40,000. The accused man only had to put out ten percent of it in cash to secure his release.
As things turned out, Specter was proven correct: Einhorn didn't flee for Norway. He went to Sweden instead, slipping out of the United States shortly before his murder trial was scheduled to begin. Einhorn remained a fugitive until 1997, when police found him living in France (http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/news/local/4102075.htm?1c) under a phony name with his Swedish wife. He was eventually extradited to the United States. In 2002, he was convicted of murder (http://www.citypaper.net/articles/2002-10-24/cb2.shtml) and sentenced to life in prison.

honker88
04-29-2009, 03:09 PM
I am glad he is gone! He finally got honest with the people of PA. He doesn't belong in the Republican Party. Nobody honestly changes that drastically. It just shows how phony most politicians are!

honker88
04-29-2009, 03:22 PM
I heard about this on my way back from training this afternoon. I'll have to send him a nicer letter and a check. I would have preferred that the Republican party remain open to people of diverse opinions. But if it chooses not to, as seems to be the case, maybe the Democrats can be smarter. I actually voted for Spector before the effort to impeach Clinton but decided not to vote for any more Republicans after that until the party decides to move back towards the center.


Dems are the party of intolerance! The liberals are one of the most intolerant groups of people around. They are only tolerant of viewpoints they support. If you disagree with a liberal you are slammed and labeled intolerant, a religious zealot, or a moron.

YardleyLabs
04-29-2009, 03:31 PM
Dems are the party of intolerance! The liberals are one of the most intolerant groups of people around. They are only tolerant of viewpoints they support. If you disagree with a liberal you are slammed and labeled intolerant, a religious zealot, or a moron.
That is not the impression I get from posts on this forum.;-)

Page
04-29-2009, 03:57 PM
Originally Posted by YardleyLabs http://www.retrievertraining.net/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.retrievertraining.net/forums/showthread.php?p=437510#post437510)
I heard about this on my way back from training this afternoon. I'll have to send him a nicer letter and a check. I would have preferred that the Republican party remain open to people of diverse opinions. But if it chooses not to, as seems to be the case, maybe the Democrats can be smarter. I actually voted for Spector before the effort to impeach Clinton but decided not to vote for any more Republicans after that until the party decides to move back towards the center.


Dems are the party of intolerance! The liberals are one of the most intolerant groups of people around. They are only tolerant of viewpoints they support. If you disagree with a liberal you are slammed and labeled intolerant, a religious zealot, or a moron.

That's right....of course now we are labelled racist for disagreeing with the President too. :rolleyes:

I saw what Janeane Garofalo said about me and the rest of my friends who attended the tea parties. Where is the tolerance there?

I am a conservative. I tend to vote republican, but I am more libertarian than anything else. That's why the pro life/pro choice thing kills me. Personally I think abortion is a sin for me. I would never have one under any circumstance, but I don't care what other people do as long as the dems don't allow my underage daughter to have one behind my back one day.

The dems are turning the world into one where a kid can't get an asprin from the school nurse without permission, but condoms and abortions are no problem.

I am tickled pink that he's no longer pretending to be a Republican.

When I see what is happening to our great country is really upsets me. Our founding fathers would be sick to know what our government is turning into.

Gerry Clinchy
04-29-2009, 05:04 PM
And that was what the last election was all about.....;)

Well, it was "supposed" to be ... but seems like it's just more of the same old, same old.

zeus3925
04-29-2009, 05:31 PM
Dems are the party of intolerance! The liberals are one of the most intolerant groups of people around. They are only tolerant of viewpoints they support. If you disagree with a liberal you are slammed and labeled intolerant, a religious zealot, or a moron.

Actually BOTH parties are infected with a degree of intolerance. Zealots and ideologues of all stripes tend to look at the world through a 6 foot length of one inch pipe. Unfortunately, they are the ones that make the party apparatuses work.

Patrick Johndrow
04-29-2009, 06:55 PM
He's such a coward...perfectly suited for his new party.


yep...and a low life pig :)

honker88
04-30-2009, 06:21 AM
Actually BOTH parties are infected with a degree of intolerance. Zealots and ideologues of all stripes tend to look at the world through a 6 foot length of one inch pipe. Unfortunately, they are the ones that make the party apparatuses work.

Yes, I will agree that there is some intolerance on both sides, but that there is no real comparison.

My point is, Liberals tend to go on personal attacks and do there best to tear people down by any means when they disagree. Palin is the perfect example of this. Feminist groups, if they truely fought for things they say they fight for, should have been some of her biggest supporters. Instead they were some of Palins most ruthless enemies. Some of the things that were said about her and her familiy were some of the most disrespectful attacks I have ever heard.

We hear all the time from the liberal movement that we should, "Celebrate diversity!" They only mean it until you bring up anything they disagree with. If you have Christian viewpoints they you are labeled intolerant and a right wing extremist, that is out of touch with reality.

When you look at the gay marriage issue I am considered intollerant because I disagree. No, I'm not intollerant of gays. I think their lifestyle is morrally wrong. Do I hate gays because of their life choices, absolutely not. Do I hate guys/gals that go out and look for a different partner every chance they get, absolutely not. The problem is that I have morals and stick to them. Both of those lifestyles are wrong and hurt our society. The whole Miss America thing is another good example. Miss California appears to have morals or religous beleifs that she upholds. What is wrong with that? Celebrate diversitity, right? Wrong! She disagrees with a liberal viewpoint and is being torn apart for it.

Bob Gutermuth
04-30-2009, 07:07 AM
Here Here Honker.

The left is the same with freedom of speech, you only deserve it if what you say agrees with their point of view.

Pete
04-30-2009, 08:33 AM
Trying to rationalize with liberals is like trying to rationalize with an out of control teen.
If I said it once I've said it a thousand times ,,,the logic portion of their brain doesn't work. No different then other types of mental illnesses.
Most are still good people ,,they should be allowed to function in society but they shouldnt have control over peoples lives.

Pete

YardleyLabs
04-30-2009, 11:32 AM
When I came home last night there was a long (I turned it off after a few minutes) message from the RNC to "introduce" me to my new Democratic Senator, Arlen Specter. Interestingly, the primary thrust of their attack seemed to be that Specter was a good Republican supported wholeheartedly by the last administration and by the RNC for his loyalty to the Republican platform and the Republican party. The whole thing was a little surreal and not very effective.

kjrice
04-30-2009, 12:29 PM
Arlen Spincter is a scumbag, but he only did what the voters allowed - sad.

YardleyLabs
04-30-2009, 02:07 PM
Arlen Spincter is a scumbag, but he only did what the voters allowed - sad.
Actually, the voters have not had any say yet. Specter was elected as a Republican in 2004 following a bruising primary election where he narrowly defeated Pat Toomey, a candidate bankrolled by the Club for Growth who became President of the Club following his PA loss. Once nominated, Specter won the general election because of strong cross over support from Democrats. Had he lost the primary in 2004, there is almost no chance at all that Toomey would have gone on to win the election and PA would have replaced him with a Democrat.

The Club for Growth has targeted and will target other moderate Republicans in its "RINO Watch" efforts to continue to move the GOP further to the right. In that sense it is like MoveOn which seeks to push the Democratic party further to the left. While the Club for Growth was very successful in its primary efforts during the 2004 elections, its track record since then has been mixed, losing as many battles as it won. It has aggressivey targeted Chafee, Snowe and Specter. You could say that with Specter the Club for Growth has won its second victory against this group of three. Chafee lost his reelection campaign in 2006 because of the damage done to him during the primary, converting Rhode Island from a Republican Senate seat to a Democratic one. Should the Club for Growth ever succeed in defeating Snowe in the Republican primary (highly unlikely), or if other conservative Republicans succeed in driving her out of the GOP, it is almost certain that she would then run and win as a Democrat.

The first chance for voters to have a say on Specter's decision will be in 2010. His age may act against him. However, it pA Republicans nominate a candidate acceptable to the Club for Growth, there is virtually no chance that they will prevent a Democrat from being elected by PA, completing the conversion of PA from being a red state to a blue one from a Federal perspective.

Cody Covey
04-30-2009, 02:40 PM
am i the only one that thinks its better for a democrat to ruin things then a democrat that calls himself a republican doing it?

honker88
04-30-2009, 02:45 PM
am i the only one that thinks its better for a democrat to ruin things then a democrat that calls himself a republican doing it?

good point

Henry V
04-30-2009, 03:29 PM
Dems are the party of intolerance! The liberals are one of the most intolerant groups of people around. They are only tolerant of viewpoints they support. If you disagree with a liberal you are slammed and labeled intolerant, a religious zealot, or a moron.
This is probably the funniest quote I have seen on here for years.

Legacy 6
04-30-2009, 03:41 PM
Does it make a difference what party he affiliates himself with? I think not.

He can vote Left even though he's got an (R) next to his name, and he was before so it doesn't matter.

If people are voting for the party instead of his principles and voting record, then they get what they deserve.

Left or Right, we all have to make sure we're voting on the right stuff, not the superficial stuff. Even Yardley will probably agree with me on THAT (?)

Bob Gutermuth
04-30-2009, 03:50 PM
The GOP should lobby Joe Lieberman to jump parties, he is worth two Spectors and a Jeffords as well.

Gerry Clinchy
04-30-2009, 04:42 PM
We seem to be hung up on stereotypes when we discuss R's and D's.

I think it is entirely possible for a D to be conservative on abortion issues. Yardley mentioned Casey on that point. It is just as possible for an R to have a more liberal stance on that issue.

I think what defines a conservative is more likely to be one who believes that government should play a smaller role in a person's daily life; take less of an individual's income to re-distribute; handle tax monies as frugally as they would their own (although I don't think most politicians have any idea what living on a budget is all about); and, while keeping religion and state separate, not getting our knickers in a twist because the word "God" appears on our money (that's more historical than somebody's religious agenda.)

Truthfully, I don't think it matters whether Specter has an R or a D after his name on the roster. He'd cast his vote the same way. Let's not forget that Specter came from Philadelphia's political machine ... would give Chicago a run for its money on political corruption.

We may be surprised at the numbers of people who will not vote for Specter when there is a D next to his name on the ballot. Regrettably there were probably some voters who voted for him just because there was an R next to his name on the ballot, and they recognized his name.

I think that this whole party change is just to protect his own career and perks of being a Senator. If he hasn't made his contribution to history in the past 30 years, I don't see him doing anything fruitful in one more term.

Steve Amrein
04-30-2009, 05:01 PM
The GOP should lobby Joe Lieberman to jump parties, he is worth two Spectors and a Jeffords as well.


I hate to go on record in support of a "D" But if Joe was in my state or run for POTUS he would likely get my vote.

honker88
04-30-2009, 08:46 PM
This is probably the funniest quote I have seen on here for years.

You like that?!?!

road kill
05-04-2009, 01:17 PM
Specter is a full blown LUNATIC!!

He belongs in the LUNATIC party (where he is)!!

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/may/04/specter-hints-kemp-died-of-gop-agenda/

That commentary by him is assinine!

So the Republicans killed Jack Kemp??

Please...........

Gerry Clinchy
05-04-2009, 01:47 PM
Specter is a full blown LUNATIC!!

He belongs in the LUNATIC party (where he is)!!

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/may/04/specter-hints-kemp-died-of-gop-agenda/

That commentary by him is assinine!

So the Republicans killed Jack Kemp??

Please...........

That has got to be one of the dumbest public statements that Mr. Specter has made. Sounds like he's just trying to take a small ride on the coattails of favorable remembrances of Jack Kemp. Very lacking in class.

Bob Gutermuth
05-04-2009, 02:01 PM
As classless as his idol Benedict Arnold!

BonMallari
05-04-2009, 02:17 PM
Jack Kemp was a very good man, I got a chance to meet him in Calif one year when one of my brothers made a donation to the Pete Wilson presidential campaign, the man still liked talking football. the Republican party lost a good one...and how dare Specter try and use the death of Kemp to try and spin his own agenda, I think the chemo treatments Specter had melted his brain too..disgusting

cotts135
05-07-2009, 06:24 AM
Specters recent switch to the Democratic party to me illustrates the complete bankruptcy of any values whatsoever of our politicians in Washington. Asked about the Senate race in Minnesota and what he believes the outcome should be, he stated that Norm Coleman should be declared the winner and that we should move on. Apparently after being reminded he is now a Democrat he stated that he misspoke and that Franken should be the winner.
Does he stand for any principles, standards, or values? Or is he just talking out both sides of his mouth and being a mouthpiece for his party? These guys love to talk to the common folk about American values, but apparently hold none of them themselves and would sell there souls to get reelected.

road kill
05-07-2009, 07:44 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/05/AR2009050504344.html?hpid=topnews

Gerry Clinchy
05-07-2009, 09:55 AM
Specters recent switch to the Democratic party to me illustrates the complete bankruptcy of any values whatsoever of our politicians in Washington. Asked about the Senate race in Minnesota and what he believes the outcome should be, he stated that Norm Coleman should be declared the winner and that we should move on. Apparently after being reminded he is now a Democrat he stated that he misspoke and that Franken should be the winner.
Does he stand for any principles, standards, or values? Or is he just talking out both sides of his mouth and being a mouthpiece for his party? These guys love to talk to the common folk about American values, but apparently hold none of them themselves and would sell there souls to get reelected.

In view of the way the Dems are now treating Specter, and in view of the fawning, groveling that Specter is doing to save his own political position ... Specter may have ended up shooting himself in the foot WRT staying in the Senate. Without his committee seniority, a Dem candidate might just decide to run against him in the Dem primary as well.

Specter has woven himself a tangled web ...

Bob Gutermuth
05-07-2009, 12:36 PM
This is the second time he has jumped parties, he became a member of the GOP as a young politician. If I were the dems I would not trust him as far as I could throw him, the Vidkund Quisling wannabe.

WaterDogRem
05-19-2010, 10:51 AM
Glad to see PA Dems saw who this white house backed leech really was!

Gerry Clinchy
05-19-2010, 03:45 PM
[QUOTE][Once nominated, Specter won the general election because of strong cross over support from Democrats. /QUOTE]

It has occurred to me that there were some R voters who voted for Specter because they disliked the D candidate more. So, had Specter been running now as a Dem candidate, he might not have gotten a lot of those R votes that helped him win before. And some Dem voters would not have been impressed with his aisle jumping.

Sestak looks like a better bet against Toomey than Arlen would have been, after Arlen managed to alienate R voters & probably some Dem voters as well. It should be a horserace in November.

dnf777
05-19-2010, 05:42 PM
I find it amusing that when democrats vote out a 40-year republican, people are trying to read big political predictions from it! Maybe Arlen will re-group and get backing for a 2016 run!?

Gerry Clinchy
05-20-2010, 07:32 AM
I find it amusing that when democrats vote out a 40-year republican, people are trying to read big political predictions from it! Maybe Arlen will re-group and get backing for a 2016 run!?

I actually think that the voters did pay attention to Arlen's lack of loyalty & changed sides for his own personal promotion, rather than any deep-seated values. It is also pertinent that his adversary in the D primary took some strong positions on what might be considered conservative positions. Arlen has always been the expert, it seems at being a politician first, blowing in the wind.

The primary voters either disliked his disloyalty or liked a more conservative approach. Sestak said he would have voted against the health care bill, for one thing. Wonder if that means he would vote for its repeal?

Sestak also went against his own party to stand up for his positions. If voters are in an anti-establishment mode, then that may, indeed, be a trend to watch in November. Toomey is a more familiar name & also a conservative stance. It will make it difficult for D voters of a conservative bent to pull the R lever, when they can go for Sestak is a D with conservative positions on some issues.

Perhaps worth noting is that the administration supported Arlen ... until it became obvious that Sestak was gaining strength over Arlen. Then they threw Arlen under the bus very subtly ... O simply not coming to support him personally in the closing days of the campaign for the primary. A repeat, maybe, of the faulty judgment that occurred in MA? Not reading the electorate until it was too late?

This should make other candidates who have only lukewarm support from DC wary if they will be the next to be sacrificed.

Ruby The Chessie
05-20-2010, 10:19 PM
I loved his claim that the Republican party is too far to the right. HAHAHAHAHA. Hellsbells...any party, including the Greens, are too far right for Mr. Spector. He's been a bona fide RINO for years. The folks in Pennsylvania must be elated.

Just think, Jeff, now you have your chance to vote for him legitimatley. That will be an election the nation will be holding it's breath over. Hopefully the conservatives can gain a foothold in that state and show Spector what being right REALLY means.

Just think, Barney's got the queer vote, now Spector has the Morpheus vote. You folks in the Democrat party must be so proud, following so close to what the founding fathers had in mind to lead the Nation. :rolleyes:

UB

Uncle Bill you are a pretty ignorant Jackass.

dback
05-20-2010, 10:30 PM
Uncle Bill you are a pretty ignorant Jackass.

Susie Q....er....Rudy.....maybe you need to read the very first sticky.

JDogger
05-20-2010, 10:47 PM
Glad to see PA Dems saw who this white house backed leech really was!

I can't believe you dug up a year old thread to comment on, but, when you comment on a current thread you have nothing to add but, .....

JD

WaterDogRem
05-21-2010, 04:13 AM
I can't believe you dug up a year old thread to comment on, but, when you comment on a current thread you have nothing to add but, .....

JD

Why not finish the thread, especially since there were predictions this would happen?
Close the loop.

Also, take another, better look at everyone who posts "....." maybe you'll figure out what's happening in those posts. Hint: it's more than just "....."

M&K's Retrievers
05-21-2010, 08:41 AM
I actually think that the voters did pay attention to Arlen's lack of loyalty & changed sides for his own personal promotion, rather than any deep-seated values. It is also pertinent that his adversary in the D primary took some strong positions on what might be considered conservative positions. Arlen has always been the expert, it seems at being a politician first, blowing in the wind.

The primary voters either disliked his disloyalty or liked a more conservative approach. Sestak said he would have voted against the health care bill, for one thing. Wonder if that means he would vote for its repeal?I believe I heard he would not have voted for the bill but would not vote to repeal it. Not sure this makes sense tho.

Sestak also went against his own party to stand up for his positions. If voters are in an anti-establishment mode, then that may, indeed, be a trend to watch in November. Toomey is a more familiar name & also a conservative stance. It will make it difficult for D voters of a conservative bent to pull the R lever, when they can go for Sestak is a D with conservative positions on some issues.

Perhaps worth noting is that the administration supported Arlen ... until it became obvious that Sestak was gaining strength over Arlen. Then they threw Arlen under the bus very subtly ... O simply not coming to support him personally in the closing days of the campaign for the primary. A repeat, maybe, of the faulty judgment that occurred in MA? Not reading the electorate until it was too late?

This should make other candidates who have only lukewarm support from DC wary if they will be the next to be sacrificed.

..........