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Franco
04-29-2009, 04:51 PM
I've never seen so many new posters on Potus Place, the best kept secret this side of the White House. If you want a good debate, you're in the right place.

The retriever world has many bleeding -heart socialist and though we know we can't reform them, we can certainly minimize thier messages here at Potus Place.


Step on up, say your piece and get ready to defend it!

P S We almost had a thread here turn to dog training. This is not permitted! We had to remind that person that dog training belongs on the other page. :-P

Thanks Chris, I couldn't help myself!:cool:

Lush Lumbago
04-29-2009, 06:14 PM
What the hell do you care, Booty. Just last week you were roaring like a ruptured bull about seceding from the good old United States of America--in order to protect American values you said at the time. Have you decided to stay and bitch-- or have you decided to make tea bags legal tender?

Booty, since you have decided to leave our Union, you gave up your standing to criticize the current POTUS as you are no longer American, but Texan (or whatever).

If you have decided to remain American, then we can all enjoy a reopened season to criticize the political scourges Texas has afflicted upon us--the Bushes, LBJ, Jim Wright to name a few. Let me know because I want to select which bear load I can use.

Franco
04-29-2009, 06:34 PM
What the hell do you care, Booty. Just last week you were roaring like a ruptured bull about seceding from the good old United States of America--in order to protect American values you said at the time. Have you decided to stay and bitch-- or have you decided to make tea bags legal tender?

Booty, since you have decided to leave our Union, you gave up your standing to criticize the current POTUS as you are no longer American, but Texan (or whatever).

If you have decided to remain American, then we can all enjoy a reopened season to criticize the political scourges Texas has afflicted upon us--the Bushes, LBJ, Jim Wright to name a few. Let me know because I want to select which bear load I can use.


If anyone has wondered why Michigan is in such sorry financial shape, here it is folks~

Jacob Hawkes
04-29-2009, 06:54 PM
lol Nicely played.

Lush Lumbago
04-29-2009, 06:54 PM
I'm waiting for your reply. Are you going to stay or are you going to leave?

Michigan is still part of America. As a non-American you gave up your standing to slam our state as well.

Maybe you could hasten your departure by getting some of your fellow secessionists to invade Somalia. There is no government that has current sovereignty there and I am sure you could that you and your fellows would be largely tax free there. You could put your geniuses at work providing order and government to a troubled land. Since, you all are experts in dealing with piracy, you could do the world a favor there as well and win honor and glory for your new counrty--Libertaria.

Jacob Hawkes
04-29-2009, 07:06 PM
You don't live in a state, you live in a cesspool. I'll encourage you to get it right next time.

Matt McKenzie
04-29-2009, 07:07 PM
As usual, the angry lefties lob hate bombs from behind breastworks of anonymity. It sure adds something special to the debate, doesn't it?

Lush Lumbago
04-29-2009, 07:10 PM
You don't live in a state, you live in a cesspool. I'll encourage you to get it right next time.

And Texas isn't? Been there once. Best way to see it is in your rear view mirror.

TJDRESCH
04-29-2009, 07:22 PM
You got to admit tho they have a better college football team! Go Buckeyes

Jacob Hawkes
04-29-2009, 07:22 PM
And Texas isn't? Been there once. Best way to see it is in your rear view mirror.

lol I don't live in TX.

badbullgator
04-29-2009, 07:25 PM
And Texas isn't? Been there once. Best way to see it is in your rear view mirror.


Too bad they won't be making them up your way much any more
WTF is your problem anyway.

Lush Lumbago
04-29-2009, 07:46 PM
Sorry to jump on TX, but I have no respect for secessionist Texans. If they don't want to be Americans--thats fine. But don't clog up the forum with attacks on the American POTUS as they have stated they no longer wish to be one of us.

Franco
04-29-2009, 08:12 PM
Sorry it took a while, I was watching Oboma's press conference. Man, he's good on camera! Especially, when the teleprompter is working.;-) Seriously, the manner in which he answered questions over-shadows thier content. He is chirismatic and I'm afraid too many are lulled in his press conferences.

Lushes wants me to address the issue covered in the, "Republic of Texas" thread. He is putting his spin on what I wrote so, I'll clarify.

I am a strong believer in a small Federal Government and strong state governments. If the people of a state wish to cede from what they see as, "disaster on the horizon caused by the Federal Government", then I say more power to the people and the state. I really don't know how to simplify that any more than that!

And if the Texas' spirit was to really cede, then I would hope Louisiana would join them!

Until then, I reserve the right to excersise my rights protected by the 1st Amendment.

Hoosier
04-29-2009, 08:28 PM
I'm waiting for your reply. Are you going to stay or are you going to leave?

Michigan is still part of America. As a non-American you gave up your standing to slam our state as well.

Maybe you could hasten your departure by getting some of your fellow secessionists to invade Somalia. There is no government that has current sovereignty there and I am sure you could that you and your fellows would be largely tax free there. You could put your geniuses at work providing order and government to a troubled land. Since, you all are experts in dealing with piracy, you could do the world a favor there as well and win honor and glory for your new counrty--Libertaria.

The closest thing the US has to Somalia is right there in your home state. Maybe Texas just don't want to be associated with it. By the way how long has your livelihood been directly tied to taxpayer dollars?

badbullgator
04-29-2009, 08:32 PM
Sorry it took a while, I was watching Oboma's press conference. Man, he's good on camera! Especially, when the teleprompter is working.;-) Seriously, the manner in which he answered questions over-shadows thier content. He is chirismatic and I'm afraid too many are lulled in his press conferences.

Lushes wants me to address the issue covered in the, "Republic of Texas" thread. He is putting his spin on what I wrote so, I'll clarify.

I am a strong believer in a small Federal Government and strong state governments. If the people of a state wish to cede from what they see as, "disaster on the horizon caused by the Federal Government", then I say more power to the people and the state. I really don't know how to simplify that any more than that!

And if the Texas' spirit was to really cede, then I would hope Louisiana would join them!

Until then, I reserve the right to excersise my rights protected by the 1st Amendment.


And Florida as well

Pete
04-29-2009, 08:33 PM
I'm guessing if Texas were to leave the union it would be because they wanted to remain american.

Pete

zeus3925
04-29-2009, 08:55 PM
The closest thing the US has to Somalia is right there in your home state. Maybe Texas just don't want to be associated with it. By the way how long has your livelihood been directly tied to taxpayer dollars?

Easy there, Hoosier. I have been both a resident of Michigan, your home state of Indiana and now we share an adopted state of Minnesota. If you want know where Somalia in America is , it is here in the Twin Cities. They drive all our cabs. Just don't let them see your bottle because these Muslims will not transport you and your booze.

Indiana has its Detroit equivalent called Gary. Indianapolis is no Emerald City either. Then there is Fort Wayne.

If you speaking about the decline of south eastern Michigan, I concede that whole section of the state to Canada if they want it. But the rest of the state is of considerable beauty and value. The UP wants to secede from Michigan but they still want to be Americans. Isn't that right ,Lush?

K.Bullock
04-29-2009, 09:16 PM
You got to admit tho they have a better college football team! Go Buckeyes

Dood! Don't go giving them funny ideas like that may be a football team they send down here. ..they might get discouraged. :cool:

Franco
04-29-2009, 09:25 PM
If you want know where Somalia in America is ,



It can be found in all of the biggest 100 cities in America and beyond. No one area has a monopoly on blight and crime.

I believe a lot of it can be attributed to LBJ's Great Society. Like the old saying, "No good deed goes unpunished". I think the Great Society is that deed.

Look what it did to public schools! The Democrats had to bus children all over the county, for what? It not only killed them as a good place to get an education, they are more segregated today than in the 1960's. Sending a child today to a private schools is imperative as compared to 40 years ago. What parent wants to send thier child to a school that is dominated by a Hip Hop culture? Just another case where tax payers were failed.

Hoosier
04-29-2009, 10:05 PM
Easy there, Hoosier. I have been both a resident of Michigan, your home state of Indiana and now we share an adopted state of Minnesota. If you want know where Somalia in America is , it is here in the Twin Cities. They drive all our cabs. Just don't let them see your bottle because these Muslims will not transport you and your booze.

Indiana has its Detroit equivalent called Gary. Indianapolis is no Emerald City either. Then there is Fort Wayne.

If you speaking about the decline of south eastern Michigan, I concede that whole section of the state to Canada if they want it. But the rest of the state is of considerable beauty and value. The UP wants to secede from Michigan but they still want to be Americans. Isn't that right ,Lush?

You're not following me around the country are you Sarge?

zeus3925
04-29-2009, 10:56 PM
It can be found in all of the biggest 100 cities in America and beyond. No one area has a monopoly on blight and crime.

I believe a lot of it can be attributed to LBJ's Great Society. Like the old saying, "No good deed goes unpunished". I think the Great Society is that deed.

Look what it did to public schools! The Democrats had to bus children all over the county, for what? It not only killed them as a good place to get an education, they are more segregated today than in the 1960's. Sending a child today to a private schools is imperative as compared to 40 years ago. What parent wants to send thier child to a school that is dominated by a Hip Hop culture? Just another case where tax payers were failed.

I have spent some time as a teacher. My last job was on a truancy reduction project.

Lots of things have taken us to this point. LBJ's Great Society was largely a failed experiment but it did have two successes--the Head Start Program for pre-school children is a resounding success. The other thing it accomplished was the elimination of poverty in our elderly population.

Bussing is largely a result of various court orders back in the 60's and 70's in attempt to level out geographical segregation--both in the North and the South. It has not resulted in the the total integration of society as the policy framers envisioned, although recent evidence indicates there is more tolerance amid the current school population than in the past.

The problems of the American school have different sources.

They are too large for one. Their populations are often larger than many small towns. Architecturally, they are too difficult to supervise. Make them smaller and mitigate the anonymity that a large population brings.

Secondly, there was a big surge of college grads from the baby boom era as the Viet Nam war was on the scene. Teaching was one way to get exempt from the draft. I don't think it contributed to a dedicated teacher corps. While doctors, lawyers and other professionals would keep up to speed by reading their respective trade journals, teachers as a group were loath to open a journal.

We need to be more selective in training teachers. We need to defer entry into the School of Education until the third year of college and only then select the best talent based on the previous two years.

We need to beef up our science education. The science curriculum has become driven by ideology to the point of confusion. Our development of newer technologies and jobs of the future demands we have to get serious and push the science and math.

Parental involvement is critical. The reason private schools fare so well is that a parent has put good money down for results. They will be on the backs of both the teachers and the kids to make it happen.

When I was doing truancy work, the parents were main cause of the truancy. You wouldn't believe the excuses the at we would get even from middle class, affluent parents. ( We wanted Johnny out of school on Friday so the family could go skiing over the weekend.) As soon as the lad spent the weekend in a group home, all expenses paid by the parents, motivation emerged. I don't know how to get through to all the dead beat or the "helicopter" parents, but some folks are too dang busy to in personal pursuits and their kids are drowning.

I am not liked by the tourist boards as I firmly believe we need to extend the school year. Too much is lost over the summer break. Our society is much more complex today and there is much more to learn.

Drugs are a big problem. Again involvement by parents is crucial here.

As for Hip Hop culture, well I can remember back in the 50's when I was in high school Elvis, Bill Haley, Buddy Holly, Carl Perkins et. al., were the rages in our school. I went to a religious high school and our esteemed faculty was sure we were all headed into the Eternal Darkness under the influence of the devil's music.