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Bob Gutermuth
05-14-2009, 12:14 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090514/ap_on_go_co/us_pelosi_torture

What else is new for the dems they blame Bush for everything.

Patrick Johndrow
05-14-2009, 12:27 PM
Yet another politician that learned NOTHING from Nixon.

Franco
05-14-2009, 12:39 PM
Nancy Pelosi is a liar!

Bayou Magic
05-14-2009, 01:30 PM
NP says that in the 2002 meeting that she attended the agency described the procedure, but she didn't understand that it would be (or was being) used. She is either a complete idiot, lying beyond comprehension, or totally incompetent if she didn't understand the nature of the briefing.

More briefings were held, that by her own account, she did not attend. If that is true, why wasn't she in attendance? Wasn't it a part of her job and duty?

She is now accusing the CIA of lying to her. My personal experience in briefing congressmen and staffers tells me that this is highly unlikely. Again, in my experience, EVERY effort was made to ensure factual information was relayed in a way that it could not be misunderstood or misinterpreted. Also, why in the world would the agency lie to NP when it is not being disputed that other congressional members, dems and republicans alike, were being explicitly told that waterboarding was being used in some cases?

From the article:

"Pelosi contended that Democrats did what they could to stop the use of waterboarding. The senior Democrat on the Intelligence Committee, who received the 2003 briefing on the practice, sent the CIA a formal letter of protest, she said. "

"But Pelosi defended her own lack of action on the issue, saying her focus at the time was on wresting congressional control from Republicans so her party could change course.

"No letter could change the policy. It was clear we had to change the leadership in Congress and in the White House. That was my job — the Congress part," Pelosi said."

I won't comment on the statements quoted above, but I will repeat: she is the poster child for term limits.

fp

BonMallari
05-14-2009, 01:41 PM
Pelosi must be a good dancer....she has the Potomac two step down pat...what gets me is that she does it with that Joker style smirk plastered on her face

badbullgator
05-14-2009, 01:42 PM
That is one poster I don't ever want ot see on a wall http://www.floridasportsman.com/art/puke.gif (http://outdoorsbest.zeroforum.com/post?cmd=reply&id=10636034#)

dback
05-14-2009, 01:45 PM
...what gets me is that she does it with that Joker style smirk plastered on her face

Dude....that IS her face!!!!

Brad Slaybaugh
05-14-2009, 08:38 PM
They should have offered to waterboard her so she would understand exactly what it was!!!!

Holding the bucket regards.
Brad

Martin
05-14-2009, 09:52 PM
Interesting it took her so many days to come up with the "It was everybody else and not me answer" I wonder how much they pay people to help our unreps to talk out of both sides of their mouths.

Pete
05-14-2009, 11:54 PM
Nancy Pelosi is a liar!

Bush made her do it

Pete

Bruce MacPherson
05-15-2009, 12:42 AM
The speaker has just committed political suicide. My guess, with midterms only a short time out, she resigns or is replaced. The press, that's been her saving grace until now, smells blood in the water and the story is going to be bigger than any loyalty they may feel twords her. Live by the sword die by the sword.

Richard Halstead
05-15-2009, 01:20 AM
I think MS.Pelosi must have been asleep during the CIA briefing she has emough botox in her face that she couldn't close her eyes.

kjrice
05-15-2009, 01:49 AM
She keeps getting elected....

Gerry Clinchy
05-15-2009, 04:20 AM
In an embarrassment for the administration, the director of national intelligence, Dennis Blair, told employees in a recent memo that interrogations that included waterboarding had secured useful intelligence. He later issued a public statement that said it was not known whether the same information could have been obtained without harsh techniques — the same position Obama has taken.


Okay ... this is where we started on this issue. Yes, those methods got useful info. Maybe we could have gotten the same info without using these methods.

This part of Pelosi's recent statement may prove refutable:

"We were told that waterboarding was not being used," the speaker said. "That's the only mention, that they were not using it. And we now know that earlier they were." She suggested the CIA release the briefing material.

Hew
05-15-2009, 06:57 AM
The speaker has just committed political suicide. My guess, with midterms only a short time out, she resigns or is replaced. The press, that's been her saving grace until now, smells blood in the water and the story is going to be bigger than any loyalty they may feel twords her. Live by the sword die by the sword.
I don't think she'll resign or be forced out, but she is seriously bloodied for sure. And it's probably going to get worse for her. Like you said, the press smells blood in the water and her inept, fumbling press conference yesterday reeked of flop sweat and did nothing to put the story to bed. Instead she fanned the flames and called the CIA out as liars. The CIA (and the State Dept.) think of themselves as unelected and untouchable fourth branches of the govt. They're not going to like being publically called liars by a serial liar like Pelosi, and they will fight back in their own way. You can bet that if Pelosi was indeed briefed on "torture" (which hardly anyone doubts at this point), then that info is going to find its way to the press...secret or not. A corollary to Twain's warning about not arguing with folks who buy ink by the gallons, is that you probably shouldn't start a war of words with people who are paid to be ruthless and tricky.

road kill
05-15-2009, 07:15 AM
Hoyer had about 45% of the votes against Pelosi last time the Dems voted for Speaker.
Hoyer is working this hard.

Pelosi is in big trouble!

Pelosi will be out as Speaker House within 30 days!!
Hoyer ain't much better.

just sayin'

badbullgator
05-15-2009, 07:29 AM
My guess is that if there is a list of people or organizations NOT to call out, the CIA would hav eto be in the top three don't you think?

road kill
05-15-2009, 07:49 AM
My guess is that if there is a list of people or organizations NOT to call out, the CIA would hav eto be in the top three don't you think?

Maybe they would be all three!!

Brad Slaybaugh
05-15-2009, 08:18 AM
My guess is that if there is a list of people or organizations NOT to call out, the CIA would hav eto be in the top three don't you think?

That's for sure, they can pee in a lot taller grass than pelosi, and I doubt god would be able help her, if she gets them irritated.

BonMallari
05-15-2009, 09:38 AM
My guess is that if there is a list of people or organizations NOT to call out, the CIA would have to be in the top three don't you think?

Yup the Good ole boys at Langley arent going to like being called liars by Madame Secretary;-)...she might want to rethink those private charters jets that she has commissioned to get her from coast to coast...the CIA has friends in low places and they will make her life miserable:D..the thing with Pelosi is that she is punch drunk with POWER, she actually believes she is untouchable and above it all..she is about to find out she isnt:D

Eric Johnson
05-15-2009, 09:50 AM
I tend to think that her intent is to get away with this because the CIA can't release the memos that detail the briefings. However, you can bet that every reporter that has a contact in the CIA will either approach or be approached by the contact.

I was curious about her comments that her staffer had attended the meetings but then didn't relate the contents? She's got to be kidding. A control freak that sends a staffer in her place and then doesn't get the truth out of him? Bet she wishes she'd used "enhanced techniques" on the staffer.

It's going to get ugly early. Wonder if she'll have a press conference today.

Eric

Raymond Little
05-15-2009, 10:20 AM
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/The-truth-about-Nancy-Pelosis-lie-44704372.html;)

Uncle Bill
05-15-2009, 11:11 AM
I believe this Australian has the succinct answer to the entire story about "extreme techniques" for interrogation. Why can't we learn from him?

UB









B. Bechtel, a City Councilor
from Newcastle, Australia was asked on a local radio talk show just what he thought about the allegations of torture of suspected terrorists.



His reply prompted his ejection from the studio, but
to thunderous applause from the audience.

HIS STATEMENT:

'If hooking up one rag-head terrorist prisoner's testicles to a car battery to get the truth out of the lying little camel shagger will save just one Australian life, then I have only three things to say,'

'Red is positive,
Black is negative,
and Make sure his nuts are wet.'

Franco
05-15-2009, 03:52 PM
Does anyone else but me think that criminal charges should be brought against Pelosi?

blind ambition
05-15-2009, 04:15 PM
I believe this Australian has the succinct answer to the entire story about "extreme techniques" for interrogation. Why can't we learn from him?

UB









B. Bechtel, a City Councilor
from Newcastle, Australia

Here is the current list of councilors, was Mr. Bechtel fired for his comments or is your post make believe? Australians have a well earned reputation for being earthy and plain speaking but I doubt few would make such ignorant and vulgar comments as you suggest on the public air waves.



Lord Mayor - John Tate Ward 1 - Aaron Buman Ward 1 - Sharon Claydon Ward 1 - Michael Osborne Ward 2 - Tim Crakanthorp Ward 2 - Brad Luke Ward 2 - Scott Sharpe Ward 3 - Graham Boyd Ward 3 - Mike King Ward 3 - Nuatali Nelmes Ward 4 - Mike Jackson Ward 4 - Shayne Connell Ward 4 - Bob Cook

Brad Slaybaugh
05-15-2009, 07:02 PM
Gingrich rips into Pelosi
Posted: 06:22 PM ET
From Alexander Mooney
CNN
WASHINGTON (CNN) — House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is engaging in a “despicable, dishonest and vicious political effort” to withhold what she knew about the CIA’s aggressive interrogation techniques, Newt Gingrich said Friday, in what amounts to the harshest criticism yet leveled at the California Democrat.

In an interview with ABC Radio, the former House speaker said Pelosi flat-out “lied to the House” when she earlier claimed the CIA had never briefed her about the Bush administration’s use of aggressive interrogation techniques, including waterboarding.

“I think that the House has an absolute obligation to open an inquiry, and I hope there will be a resolution to investigate her. And I think this is a big deal. I don’t think the speaker of the House can lie to the country on national security matters,” Gingrich said.

Pelosi has been under fire from critics who say that she was fully briefed on the techniques in 2002 and 2003. On Thursday, the California Democrat accused CIA officials of misleading her, reiterating an earlier claim that she was briefed on such techniques only once — in September 2002 — and that she was told at the time that the techniques were not being used.

ATTA BOY
GO GET HER NEWT

Roger Perry
05-16-2009, 09:42 AM
They should have offered to waterboard her so she would understand exactly what it was!!!!

Holding the bucket regards.
Brad

I agree that Pelosi is lying, however Bush and Cheney are the ones that need to be waterboarded so we can learn the real truth about the invasion of Iraq. :snipersmile:

Read the story:

Bush knew Saddam had no weapons of mass destruction

Salon exclusive: Two former CIA officers say the president squelched top-secret intelligence, and a briefing by George Tenet, months before invading Iraq.
By Sidney Blumenthal

By the way how is the Bush hunt for Bin Laden coming along:?: :rolleyes:

Roger Perry
05-16-2009, 09:45 AM
Does anyone else but me think that criminal charges should be brought against Pelosi?


I agree.

I also think charges should be brought against the whole Bush administration for all the lies they told. ;-)

badbullgator
05-16-2009, 09:47 AM
We can always count on Roger for the very left point of view.:rolleyes:

BTW- it is no longer Bush's hunt for OBL now is it. And how is that working out? I am sure your boy would love to get together and have lunch with OBL and talk these silly things out

badbullgator
05-16-2009, 09:48 AM
I agree.

I also think charges should be brought against the whole Bush administration for all the lies they told. ;-)


That is what will be on Rogers head stone......It is Bush's Fault!

Roger Perry
05-16-2009, 09:59 AM
We can always count on Roger for the very left point of view.:rolleyes:

BTW- it is no longer Bush's hunt for OBL now is it. And how is that working out? I am sure your boy would love to get together and have lunch with OBL and talk these silly things out

Obama is not my guy, and I am not a lefty. I am middle of the road. I voted righty all my life until Bush 43 ran for office.

Besides, didn't I just agree that Pelosi should be investigated and brought to justice if she is lying?

Patrick Johndrow
05-16-2009, 10:29 AM
I agree.

I also think charges should be brought against the whole Bush administration for all the lies they told. ;-)



You know Roger...I am coming around to the way you are thinking. There should be consequences to our elected officials’ actions while they are in office and maybe the fleecing of America would stop.

Bush (like his father) was a monstrous disappointment.

Roger Perry
05-16-2009, 10:55 AM
You know Roger...I am coming around to the way you are thinking. There should be consequences to our elected officials’ actions while they are in office and maybe the fleecing of America would stop.

Bush (like his father) was a monstrous disappointment.

I liked and voted for George H W Bush 41

Patrick Johndrow
05-16-2009, 11:05 AM
I liked and voted for George H W Bush 41

From a former USMC I dislike the man...very personal reasons I might add...he stripped a friend of mine of all his military retirement for publically insisting there were still POWs we left behind in Vietnam. I don’t know anything about the Florida Bush boy but I can tell you the rest of them are scumbags…I voted for both of them actually.

Uncle Bill
05-16-2009, 11:10 AM
I agree that Pelosi is lying, however Bush and Cheney are the ones that need to be waterboarded so we can learn the real truth about the invasion of Iraq. :snipersmile:

Read the story:

Bush knew Saddam had no weapons of mass destruction

Salon exclusive: Two former CIA officers say the president squelched top-secret intelligence, and a briefing by George Tenet, months before invading Iraq.
By Sidney Blumenthal

By the way how is the Bush hunt for Bin Laden coming along:?: :rolleyes:



Anyone that 'claims' to be a moderate, and then quotes the writings of Blumenthal...or any other socialist writing in that Salon rag...immediately loses all credibility. Sorry Roger, you're fired!

UB

Roger Perry
05-16-2009, 11:39 AM
Anyone that 'claims' to be a moderate, and then quotes the writings of Blumenthal...or any other socialist writing in that Salon rag...immediately loses all credibility. Sorry Roger, you're fired!

UB

I do think of myself as a free thinking moderate, I look at what is being said and who said it, and do not rely solely on a party attatchment to do the thinking for me.
All I am saying is that allpoliticans should be held accountable for what they do or say be they Democrat, Republican or Independent.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB80/

http://www.counterpunch.org/wmd05292003.html

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/

I have quoted capital hill blue in the past (bush on the constitution) and now they are after the democratic politicians as they should be.

Terry Britton
05-16-2009, 11:48 AM
You can go back to the Bush-Reagan debates in 1980 to see that Bush was clueless. The same is true with the Reagan-Carter debates showing Carter was out of whack as history has proved. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edchtf9MS7g

cotts135
05-16-2009, 04:42 PM
You know Roger...I am coming around to the way you are thinking. There should be consequences to our elected officials’ actions while they are in office and maybe the fleecing of America would stop.

Bush (like his father) was a monstrous disappointment.

Wow, this is a first, agreeing with Patrick. As far as I am concerned nothing could be more truthful than the highest elected officials being held accountable for what they have done.

Bob Gutermuth
05-16-2009, 05:07 PM
Bush like his father was a far better POTUS than the crats that opposed them in their elections would have been. I cannot imagine Dukakis, Bore or Skerry in the white House.

Patrick Johndrow
05-16-2009, 05:42 PM
Bush like his father was a far better POTUS than the crats that opposed them in their elections would have been. I cannot imagine Dukakis, Bore or Skerry in the white House.

Very true Bob...it is amazing the trash the Dems and GOP have run in the last 20 years.

Brad Slaybaugh
05-16-2009, 06:00 PM
I remember thinking on 9-11, Thank God we have George Bush as president and not Al Gore, I still think that.