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Franco
05-18-2009, 09:40 PM
Trent Lott resigned as Majority Speaker of the House after taking heat from for making this comment; Mr. Lott alluded favorably to Mr. Thurmondís campaign for president as a segregationist Dixiecrat in 1948, saying the nation would have been better off had Mr. Thurmond been elected.

This was his opinion and who is to say he is wrong? Mr. Thurmand could have well been a better President than Ike.

Nancy Pelosi underminds the security of our country by lying about the CIA in her attempt to cover her other lie about not knowing about interrogation methods beng used!

Where is the outraged from the American people and the press? As a nation, are we so preoccupied with TV's American Idol that we are just going to let her get away with this?

subroc
05-18-2009, 10:13 PM
The American people would be outraged if the press would do its job.


Although, it could be that those on the left believe they are entitled to act in a way that they do not and would not accept from any other political stripe.

Bob Gutermuth
05-18-2009, 10:31 PM
Jessie Jackson and Al sharpton are not stirring the pot as they did with Sen Lott.

Ken Bora
05-18-2009, 10:44 PM
She will have to go back to her constituents and do some explaining. I am sure the folks back home that elected her must be outraged. Ware is she from again?

Franco
05-18-2009, 10:57 PM
Ware is she from again?



I'm sure there are some that are embarassed and a whole lot more in denial. Or, is she the new Queen of De Nile?:rolleyes:

Legacy 6
05-19-2009, 12:27 AM
No, I bet in SF she's a center leftie... they don't care.

Patrick Johndrow
05-19-2009, 07:19 AM
Liberals don't care about the truth...just their agenda

Bob Gutermuth
05-19-2009, 08:54 AM
Just to set the record straight, Sen Lott was Majority Leader in the Senate

road kill
05-19-2009, 09:22 AM
She will have to go back to her constituents and do some explaining. I am sure the folks back home that elected her must be outraged. Ware is she from again?
The San Franciscans (her peoples) are annoyed that she is so conservative!!

just sayin'

Pete
05-19-2009, 09:31 AM
We as a nation have been lulled to sleep. And those that are wide awake are now in the major minority. These basturds will do as they please and continue dope up the majority with their promises and lies. its like they have been hypnitised. Things are going down hill an an excelerated rate and people think their safe because they are wearing the governmental seat belt.

Remeber that words don't mean anything specific anymore . They are free to change what they meant at any given moment to save their hide. The funny thing is they have no idea they are lying. They go day to day contradicting themselves and most people just nod,stare and drool.

Pete

YardleyLabs
05-19-2009, 10:43 AM
We as a nation have been lulled to sleep. And those that are wide awake are now in the major minority. These basturds will do as they please and continue dope up the majority with their promises and lies. its like they have been hypnitised. Things are going down hill an an excelerated rate and people think their safe because they are wearing the governmental seat belt.

Remeber that words don't mean anything specific anymore . They are free to change what they meant at any given moment to save their hide. The funny thing is they have no idea they are lying. They go day to day contradicting themselves and most people just nod,stare and drool.

Pete

So Pete, if I understand you people either agree with you or they are delusional -- drugged by the magic flute of the pied piper. Does that mean we need to be "cured" by the undrugged few whether we wish it or not? Is there no room for reasoned people to disagree?

Julie R.
05-19-2009, 02:55 PM
So Pete, if I understand you people either agree with you or they are delusional -- drugged by the magic flute of the pied piper. Does that mean we need to be "cured" by the undrugged few whether we wish it or not? Is there no room for reasoned people to disagree?

Jeff I do believe ole Pete was exaggerating for effect. But it does seem like he's not that far from the truth. People do seem to be drugged by the flute of the magic messiah. I can never remember any president getting such a prolonged grace period where so many people were so willing to accept as gospel anything he says or does, and by association many of his collegues including Pelosi. Think how many careers have been skewered for much smaller offenses than accusing the CIA of lying!

Sadly, I attribute this to the dumbing down of America to meet the lowest common denominator. People just don't care about issues any more complicated than who's going to win American Idol :barf:
The average American can't even find Afghanistan on a map, much less understand why we have soldiers there. They don't even try to dumb down something like Pelosi's accusations and if any right winger brings up the felonies of the left, they get called 'the undrugged few' or worse.

Bob Gutermuth
05-19-2009, 03:03 PM
The average American can't find their home state on a US map, can't name their US Senators, a Justice of SCOTUS and likely has no clue about political issues, yet they are allowed to vote. Thats scary.

Patrick Johndrow
05-19-2009, 03:08 PM
We as a nation have been lulled to sleep. And those that are wide awake are now in the major minority. These basturds will do as they please and continue dope up the majority with their promises and lies. its like they have been hypnitised. Things are going down hill an an excelerated rate and people think their safe because they are wearing the governmental seat belt.

Remeber that words don't mean anything specific anymore . They are free to change what they meant at any given moment to save their hide. The funny thing is they have no idea they are lying. They go day to day contradicting themselves and most people just nod,stare and drool.

Pete

Because they have no honor or integrity

Richard Halstead
05-19-2009, 04:37 PM
The average American can't find their home state on a US map, can't name their US Senators, a Justice of SCOTUS and likely has no clue about political issues, yet they are allowed to vote. Thats scary.


I can't name my senator, one week it's Coleman and the next week It's Frankin.

Uncle Bill
05-19-2009, 07:05 PM
I can't name my senator, one week it's Coleman and the next week It's Frankin.

In either case, I pity your state, and it's inhabitants. In addition to BHO's taxes that will be bad enough, your state government is proposing stuff that is insufferable.

UB

BonMallari
05-19-2009, 07:10 PM
I still maintain that the "Axis of Evil " is alive and living in California in the form of Barbara Boxer, Diane Feinstein, and Nancy Pelosi...and they have the perfect enabler and girlie man in Arnold

Keith Farmer
05-20-2009, 08:55 AM
Is there no room for reasoned people to disagree?


What is the task of reason?







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Julie R.
05-20-2009, 09:08 AM
Here ya go Franco ;-)

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Franco
05-20-2009, 09:41 AM
Julie, he looks more outrageous than outraged, what a clown!;-)

Only Al Sharpton could get busted for trying to setup a Crack deal before becoming the spokesperson for his people. Oh, and lets don't forget the Tawanna Brawley scandel!

Julie R.
05-20-2009, 03:10 PM
http://i490.photobucket.com/albums/rr266/MouseOnAFeedsack/AlsRaceCard.gif He kinda looks like James Brown, but without that shake your booty fervor. Ole Al is a buffoon. Still, Al + Outrage go together like a hand & glove, can't think of one without the other! http://i490.photobucket.com/albums/rr266/MouseOnAFeedsack/AlsRaceCard.gif

Pete
05-21-2009, 12:32 AM
So Pete, if I understand you people either agree with you or they are delusional -- drugged by the magic flute of the pied piper. Does that mean we need to be "cured" by the undrugged few whether we wish it or not? Is there no room for reasoned people to disagree?

No Jeff
I don't think many people think like me. I have actually been training my mind to think a certain way. This way I cannot be broke:D

I actually accept alot of different opinions and actually I hate to admit it but I think about alot of the stuff you say:D.I even accept yours and your right to live your way and think like you think. I think what you say is well thought out from your perspective. But I'll be dammed if someone tries to take my liberties away for their cause.

The constitution affords us the same rights and we can choose how to apply them in our lives. . BUT I approach things from a conservative/liberaterian/bible bending sort of way.

The reason though you see,,,that you have great admiration for our current government is that you are socialist minded and think things from that perspective. I tend to be a traditionalist and think anything less than up holding every jot and title of the constitution is mutany and treason. And by golly I'm allowed to think that and I'm right:D

I have no idea how liberals can't see what is taking place right before their eyes Actually I can. When I say Liberals I am speaking in general not all incusive. So you shouldn't take anything personal unless the shoe fits.

In some ways we need to turn to Iran to see how to solve some of our problems. It may be old school but its proven to work. They don't mess around and we shouldn't either.
Your planetary government is soon to arrive. And the'll remove my tongue and take my ammo and I'm sure their is a perfectly rational liberal explanation for that since the constitution will no longer exist except only in the hearts and minds of those that love it. And we will all be labeled insane. Remeber what was up is now down and what was east is now west.
Of course this is only my opinion. Which we all know is way outdated

I garrentee you Jeff that most US citizens sit and drool as they stare off into oblivian. Nothing else explains Obama's popularity:)

Pete

cotts135
05-21-2009, 07:10 AM
Now about this Nancy Pelosi controversy. First I would like to point out that what she said about the CIA as far as I can see is not illegal

Secondly it seems that some of the loudest voices that are critical of her comments actually have in the past said the same things but just in different words.

Pete Hoekstra in 2001 commenting on 2001 shooting of a plane carrying a American missonary in Peru


"This issue goes to the heart of the American people's ability to trust the CIA," the Michigan lawmaker said Thursday. "Americans deserve to know that agencies given the power to operate on their behalf aren't abusing that power or their trust."

Or last year commenting on Negotiations with North Korea


"We regret to say the administration has deliberately attempted to sideline Congress in the fear that providing us with information about the North Korean regime's continuing lies and reckless behavior would undermine the current diplomatic approach."

Then we have this from House Minority Leader Boehner while talking about The CIA's report in the National Intelligence report on Iran


"Either I don't have confidence in what they told me several months ago or I don't have confidence in what they're telling me today."

The CIA and Congress have had a long history of disagreements on how the agency should be run. Congress by law has oversight responsibility of the CIA and when they feel that things are not as they are being told they should question the veracity of those statements. This holier than thou belief that the CIA is above reproach is just plain nonsense.

Julie R.
05-21-2009, 09:13 AM
The CIA and Congress have had a long history of disagreements on how the agency should be run. Congress by law has oversight responsibility of the CIA and when they feel that things are not as they are being told they should question the veracity of those statements. This holier than thou belief that the CIA is above reproach is just plain nonsense.

I don't think anyone here was saying the CIA is above reproach or that no one in Congress has ever questioned Agency actions. This is a he said, she said type deal where she said the CIA was lying instead of coming up with some other equally lame but less offensive excuse.

And c'mon Cotts, I know you're a liberal but this woman is a moron who thinks she's a demi god beyond reproach. She's equally if not more narcissistic than Obomo.

cotts135
05-21-2009, 09:32 AM
I don't think anyone here was saying the CIA is above reproach or that no one in Congress has ever questioned Agency actions. This is a he said, she said type deal where she said the CIA was lying instead of coming up with some other equally lame but less offensive excuse.

And c'mon Cotts, I know you're a liberal but this woman is a moron who thinks she's a demi god beyond reproach. She's equally if not more narcissistic than Obomo.

Julie what I have seen is this self righteous indignation from people on the right that the CIA should not be questioned as though these people are saints. It has been framed such that we should trust the CIA more than Pelosi. I am not a big fan of hers and her story has alot of holes in it, and maybe we should believe the CIA in this case,I don't have the answer to that.What I am saying though is because Congress has oversight authority they should question what the CIA tells them and if they feel they were misled they should say that also without being attacked by their political enemy's for strictly political purposes.

Pete
05-21-2009, 09:34 AM
Because they have no honor or integrity

Thats right.
Honor and integrety are no longer nurtured in our society. Getting as much as you can without regards for other people is the mentality of today. And who can we prey on next.

Its funny when you think about it. All my life I would listen to different people talk about global this and global that and thought they were conspiritcy nuts. Now most of my life later,,,,what they talked about is coming to pass. my father and grandmother saw it comming 90 years ago.

The arrival of the federal researve bank,,Fed income tax, the stock market crash,,social security.
These were the begginings of a global plan made manifest.

And its taken less than a hundred years to bring down a great nation from a sickness from within our own borders. The sickness is called greed and an absence of integrety for an antidote.
I believe we are in the forth stage of this disease.


People have ,,piece by piece,,subtilty by subtilty sold this once great nation down the drain.

I don't need alot of fancy computer skills to click on links to figure this out
Most of what you'll see is deception anyway.

Pete

Keith Farmer
05-21-2009, 12:14 PM
my father and grandmother saw it comming 90 years ago.


Pete,

Daniel saw this "coming" when he penned under divine inspiration his self titled book in, as most conservative/traditional scholars believe, the years 605 to 562 BC.

Further, the Apostle John, while exiled on the island of Patmos, detailed with startling vividness these very times we are living in now. The problem is that we now live in an era where relativism has in effect crippled logic thereby destroying any sense of meaningful debate between evolutionary minded people and creation-by-God minded people. There remains no common ground where reason can work. Only a renewing of minds will result in intelligble communication as there can be no reconciliation of the two differing world views. Once logic is lost retreat in to absurdety is all that remains...

The hope of nations is our Lord Jesus Christ.


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Franco
05-21-2009, 01:47 PM
Now about this Nancy Pelosi controversy. First I would like to point out that what she said about the CIA as far as I can see is not illegal


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So, Democrats think it is OK for the speaker to lie twice to the American people? Then again, integrity is a foreign concept in DC.

If she doesn't get canned, it may be a good thing. Thats because the Dems might actually replace her with someone intelligent and effective.

Cody Covey
05-21-2009, 02:09 PM
What interest would it serve the DEMOCRAT leader of the CIA to come out against Pelosi? You realize that he is a democrat through and through and even he can see that Pelosi is lying.

cotts135
05-21-2009, 02:23 PM
So, Democrats think it is OK for the speaker to lie twice to the American people? Then again, integrity is a foreign concept in DC.

If she doesn't get canned, it may be a good thing. Thats because the Dems might actually replace her with someone intelligent and effective.

No...............Democrats nor anyone else thinks it is a good thing for are politicians to lie to the people. It is impossible at this point to know who may be lying...............unless you have some info I don't have.

road kill
05-21-2009, 02:26 PM
No...............Democrats nor anyone else thinks it is a good thing for are politicians to lie to the people. It is impossible at this point to know who may be lying...............unless you have some info I don't have.


I can tell you who is lieing!!

















They all are!!
It's a life style!!;-)

kindakinky
05-22-2009, 01:31 AM
Well, then we have to get outraged about the lies before the Pelosi lies: that would be the reasons to go into Iraq espoused by a certain administration.

Pelosi was elected by folks from California. They have a former body builder as Governor.

If you want to get outraged about congressional politicians who lied, we would have to go back to the 1800's. Or go back to the espoused reasons for the Iraq war.

No one who cares about this country wants any one person now serving in Congress to ever serve again. It isn't about Republican vs. Democrat, or conservative vs. liberal. It is about a Congress who wants just to get re-elected and will take any money, from any lobbyist, to do so.

By trying to divide the American people into liberals vs. conservative, or Republican vs. Democrat, they just keep getting themselves re-elected while taking big money from lobbyists.

If folks still think that pretending to be a conservative or liberal, a Republican or Democrat, is somehow making a difference, well, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell ya.

The people in Congress and in both parties only want one thing: to get more powerful, to get more money, to be famous.

The lemmings are people who stick to one party or one philosophy, and then think they make a difference.

The stupidity of people who think it matters whether a so-called Democrat or a so-called Republican says or does something so-called stupid is beyond me.

Your country has been taken over by people who view Congress as a life-long, career position. It's a job. Not one of them will stand up courageously for their beliefs. They only want to get re-elected, no matter their party, and will take money from anyone or everyone to hold onto the job.

Ronald Reagan increased the national deficit by 25 percent. A zillion Democratic presidents did the same.

Anyone who thinks Democrats are different from Republicans or vice-versa is living in a fantasy land.




Trent Lott resigned as Majority Speaker of the House after taking heat from for making this comment; Mr. Lott alluded favorably to Mr. Thurmondís campaign for president as a segregationist Dixiecrat in 1948, saying the nation would have been better off had Mr. Thurmond been elected.

This was his opinion and who is to say he is wrong? Mr. Thurmand could have well been a better President than Ike.

Nancy Pelosi underminds the security of our country by lying about the CIA in her attempt to cover her other lie about not knowing about interrogation methods beng used!

Where is the outraged from the American people and the press? As a nation, are we so preoccupied with TV's American Idol that we are just going to let her get away with this?

Cody Covey
05-22-2009, 01:56 AM
Well, then we have to get outraged about the lies before the Pelosi lies: that would be the reasons to go into Iraq espoused by a certain administration.

Pelosi was elected by folks from California. They have a former body builder as Governor.

If you want to get outraged about congressional politicians who lied, we would have to go back to the 1800's. Or go back to the espoused reasons for the Iraq war.

No one who cares about this country wants any one person now serving in Congress to ever serve again. It isn't about Republican vs. Democrat, or conservative vs. liberal. It is about a Congress who wants just to get re-elected and will take any money, from any lobbyist, to do so.

By trying to divide the American people into liberals vs. conservative, or Republican vs. Democrat, they just keep getting themselves re-elected while taking big money from lobbyists.

If folks still think that pretending to be a conservative or liberal, a Republican or Democrat, is somehow making a difference, well, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell ya.

The people in Congress and in both parties only want one thing: to get more powerful, to get more money, to be famous.

The lemmings are people who stick to one party or one philosophy, and then think they make a difference.

The stupidity of people who think it matters whether a so-called Democrat or a so-called Republican says or does something so-called stupid is beyond me.

Your country has been taken over by people who view Congress as a life-long, career position. It's a job. Not one of them will stand up courageously for their beliefs. They only want to get re-elected, no matter their party, and will take money from anyone or everyone to hold onto the job.

Ronald Reagan increased the national deficit by 25 percent. A zillion Democratic presidents did the same.

Anyone who thinks Democrats are different from Republicans or vice-versa is living in a fantasy land.

He's right so lets give up!

JDogger
05-22-2009, 09:49 AM
Well, then we have to get outraged about the lies before the Pelosi lies: that would be the reasons to go into Iraq espoused by a certain administration.

Pelosi was elected by folks from California. They have a former body builder as Governor.

If you want to get outraged about congressional politicians who lied, we would have to go back to the 1800's. Or go back to the espoused reasons for the Iraq war.

No one who cares about this country wants any one person now serving in Congress to ever serve again. It isn't about Republican vs. Democrat, or conservative vs. liberal. It is about a Congress who wants just to get re-elected and will take any money, from any lobbyist, to do so.

By trying to divide the American people into liberals vs. conservative, or Republican vs. Democrat, they just keep getting themselves re-elected while taking big money from lobbyists.

If folks still think that pretending to be a conservative or liberal, a Republican or Democrat, is somehow making a difference, well, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell ya.

The people in Congress and in both parties only want one thing: to get more powerful, to get more money, to be famous.

The lemmings are people who stick to one party or one philosophy, and then think they make a difference.

The stupidity of people who think it matters whether a so-called Democrat or a so-called Republican says or does something so-called stupid is beyond me.

Your country has been taken over by people who view Congress as a life-long, career position. It's a job. Not one of them will stand up courageously for their beliefs. They only want to get re-elected, no matter their party, and will take money from anyone or everyone to hold onto the job.

Ronald Reagan increased the national deficit by 25 percent. A zillion Democratic presidents did the same.

Anyone who thinks Democrats are different from Republicans or vice-versa is living in a fantasy land.

Or quite possibly....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYIC0eZYEtI

Julie R.
05-22-2009, 09:49 AM
I guess I have a few questions kinda, since you seem to be 'kinda' an expert on U.S. politics:


Well, then we have to get outraged about the lies before the Pelosi lies: that would be the reasons to go into Iraq espoused by a certain administration.

Pelosi was elected by folks from California. They have a former body builder as Governor.

If you want to get outraged about congressional politicians who lied, we would have to go back to the 1800's. Or go back to the espoused reasons for the Iraq war.

And you know this....how? Did you get a private briefing from Saddam or some other high level Iraqi about their WMD capacity? My point is, I believe at the time, everyone in the legislative and executive branches believed Iraq had WMDs and was harboring terrorists involved in the Sept. 11 assault.



If folks still think that pretending to be a conservative or liberal, a Republican or Democrat, is somehow making a difference, well, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell ya.

The people in Congress and in both parties only want one thing: to get more powerful, to get more money, to be famous.

The lemmings are people who stick to one party or one philosophy, and then think they make a difference.

The stupidity of people who think it matters whether a so-called Democrat or a so-called Republican says or does something so-called stupid is beyond me.

If you don't stand for something, you stand for nothing.


Your country has been taken over by people who view Congress as a life-long, career position. It's a job. Not one of them will stand up courageously for their beliefs. They only want to get re-elected, no matter their party, and will take money from anyone or everyone to hold onto the job.

Hmmm...you aren't even a U.S. citizen? Is your country better? Tell us where you're from and why your country is so much better. This country may not be perfect, but it's the best we've got. We just need another leader like the author of some of my favorite quotes:



1. When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe.

2. The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.

3. I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.

4. My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.

5. The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson. Most of those were written around 1802.