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Franco
06-15-2009, 09:09 PM
This is a real opportunity for the USA.

We need to support the voters who were cheated. Current administration is calling for all media to leave the country. They don't want any pictures of what they are getting ready to do to the restless citizens.

Akmadinajad(sp) is finished either way!

Makes one appriciate our Second Amendment. The only one with any real firepower in Iran is the government.

JDogger
06-15-2009, 10:40 PM
This is a real opportunity for the USA.

We need to support the voters who were cheated. Current administration is calling for all media to leave the country. They don't want any pictures of what they are getting ready to do to the restless citizens.

Akmadinajad(sp) is finished either way!

Makes one appriciate our Second Amendment. The only one with any real firepower in Iran is the government.

Are you advocating the CIA install another Shah? Didn't work to good the first time around.

Just sayin'

JD

Hew
06-16-2009, 01:15 AM
Are you advocating the CIA install another Shah? Didn't work to good the first time around.

Just sayin'

JD
It was a CIA-installed Shah in order to prevent the inevitabliity of a Kremlin installed puppet.

YardleyLabs
06-16-2009, 05:04 AM
It was a CIA-installed Shah in order to prevent the inevitabliity of a Kremlin installed puppet.
You mean a democratically elected president. Why do we seem to have trouble accepting anyone else's democratic choices? The only basis for calling Mosaddeq (who was a fervent anti-socialist) a communist was his refusal to allow England to continue to exercise colonial control over the entire Iranian oil industry. Good for him. The first democratically elected leader of a middle eastern country -- aristocratic by birth and educated in France and Switzerland -- and we threw him out and replaced him with a monarchist who retained power using the weight of our military and finances combined with a brutal secret service.

road kill
06-16-2009, 07:59 AM
This is a real opportunity for the USA.

We need to support the voters who were cheated. Current administration is calling for all media to leave the country. They don't want any pictures of what they are getting ready to do to the restless citizens.

Akmadinajad(sp) is finished either way!

Makes one appriciate our Second Amendment. The only one with any real firepower in Iran is the government.


We have our own issues with running clean, fair elections.
The USA has no room to comment on voter fraud!!

just sayin'

Bob Gutermuth
06-16-2009, 08:04 AM
If peanuthead Carter had backed our ally, the Shah, there would be no Islamic Republic and there would have been no hostage crisis. We need to stay out of this mess and let the Iranians work it out. It ain't like the elected officials run the country anyhow, the mullahs do.

Franco
06-16-2009, 12:44 PM
I'm not suggesting boots on the ground. But, there is an opportunity in getting rid of Akmadinajad(sp) and eventually the Mullahs.

We should side with the reformist and make a statement of such. By verbally supporting them, we can help get a more moderate leader in place. It is only a matter of time before the Mullahs are marginalized by the will of the people.

The youth of Iran would like to be more Western. Lets help them be it!

Even if some of the ballots are recounted it won't help Akmadinajad. The Mullahs may declare him the winner but the majority of people will not accept him.

The situation is one of the best things that could have happened to the west. Now, lets take advantage of it and side with the oppostion.

badbullgator
06-16-2009, 01:40 PM
Does anyone here really think there will be a recount with any results different than what there already is? A recount will show that Akmenadjhaid (i know that is not correct) won no matter how many votes he got. A couple more days of protest and everything goes back to they way it was a few weeks ago.

YardleyLabs
06-16-2009, 01:59 PM
Does anyone here really think there will be a recount with any results different than what there already is? A recount will show that Akmenadjhaid (i know that is not correct) won no matter how many votes he got. A couple more days of protest and everything goes back to they way it was a few weeks ago.
It would be nice to think otherwise, but I believe you are right. I suspect that any statements from the U.S. are more likely to strengthen Ahmadinejad (that spelling is correct :p), than they are to help.It is not even clear that the election results are fraudulent although I suspect there may have been some manipulation to strengthen Ahmadinejad's margin of victory. One cannot tell how an election is going based on student demonstrations in urban centers. That does not necessarily reflect public sentiment in Iran any more than demonstrations in New York and LA would reflect sentiment across the breadth of America.

Hew
06-16-2009, 02:40 PM
You mean a democratically elected president. Why do we seem to have trouble accepting anyone else's democratic choices? The only basis for calling Mosaddeq (who was a fervent anti-socialist) a communist was his refusal to allow England to continue to exercise colonial control over the entire Iranian oil industry. Good for him. The first democratically elected leader of a middle eastern country -- aristocratic by birth and educated in France and Switzerland -- and we threw him out and replaced him with a monarchist who retained power using the weight of our military and finances combined with a brutal secret service.
Not so fast my friend. Mossaddeq was "elected" in the same fashion as the prime ministers before him; by the lower house of the Iranian parliament (who were in turn elected by the people). And speaking of the previous "elected" prime ministers, Mossaddeq was the leader of a political group allied with the Iranian communists. Together they teamed up to assassinate the "elected" prime minister before him. So let's not try to paint Mossaddeq as the Iranian version of George Washington, OK?

It's easy to look back and pretend that overthrowing Mossaddeq was the wrong thing to do since that's not the position that we took and we will never know what might have been. As they say, highsight is 20/20. But since we're playing the what if...game for events that happened 60 years ago I would also like to extend to Prime Minister Mossaddeq some what if...advice as written 60 years ago:

Dear Mr. Mossaddeq,

While the world is experiencing the height of the Cold War tensions and communist expansionism is on the march, and you're sitting on one of the most strategically valuable pieces of real estate on this earth, here are some things that you probably shouldn't do if you want to stay off of the "Communists Simps Who Are Against Us and Our National Strategic Interests" list:
1. Don't be the leader of a group called The National Front (it has a kind of communisty ring to it if you catch my drift)
2. Don't do what communist leaders typically do and nationalize major industries in your country (particularly when you're stealing from our most valuable ally in the world whom we teamed up with to save the world less than a decade ago...we're kinda fond of Britain if you didn't know already)
3. Don't team up with communists to assassinate your political rivals and elected politicians
4. Don't stage riots and rebellions with the help of your communist homies when you're not allowed to take over nearly every aspect of Iranian government
5. After your rioting homies have kowtowed the govt. to accept your total rule, don't install your communist homies into key govt. positions

Mr. Mossaddeq, if you follow those simple guidelines you won't have much to worry about. You don't even need to like America. Just stop acting like a communist despot and I'm sure we won't treat you like one.

Thanks,
Hew

Hew
06-16-2009, 02:41 PM
A couple more days of protest and everything goes back to they way it was a few weeks ago.
Sadly, you're probably right. Just like Tianamen Square.

dnf777
06-17-2009, 10:09 AM
We need to stay out of this mess and let the Iranians work it out. .

So you agree with Obama on this issue?
Hey, I do think it was the right thing to do for our state dept to ask Twitter NOT to shut down at this point for maintenance. Apparently the majority of the Iranian protesters are getting their info from twitter, which is one thing the gov't doesn't control there yet.

badbullgator
06-17-2009, 10:39 AM
Sadly, you're probably right. Just like Tianamen Square.

I think in a country like Iran the only alternative is the end of the country as it is currently known and I just donít see any evidence that something like that will be allowed to happen. Think of the repercussions of this being overturned. Mockmood or however you spell his name has tight grip on the country along with the clerics, mullahís, or whatever they are that are investigating this. China is a good compression or maybe North Korea as there is no honest freedom in either place

Bob Gutermuth
06-17-2009, 04:21 PM
Last week Osama was taking credit for influencing the outcome of the election, where does he really stand on this and every other issue?

dnf777
06-17-2009, 08:30 PM
I just donít see any evidence that something like that will be allowed to happen.

You're absolutely right. I'm no historian, but I can't think of a single example of a powerful regime handing power back to the people peacefully. It usually occurs at the end of bayonets and muskets (USA) or at the bottom of a guillotine.

Never before in history has the rest of the world been so united against a nut-job...at least with the ability to communicate and act in such a short time frame, so we may be seeing a really historic event.

Did you see the Iranian soccer players donning green at their WCS game? They did that knowing an execution warrant has been issued against opposition protesters back home. That took courage, lacking ANY anonymity, to take that stand. I'm sure they have familes back home too.

Terri
06-18-2009, 09:25 PM
While in Dubai a year ago we had a taxi driver from Iran. He told us that the Sheikhs had turned hell into paradise and the Mullahs had turned paradise into hell. He was referring to Dubai and Iran. It was a very sad, but true statement.

As far as the revolution of 1979- not everyone was in favor of an Islamic Government. The people from all backgrounds wanted to remove a dictator, the Shah, but at the end of the day the country was in the hands of the Mullahs. No one knows who will come out ahead this time around. I only pray that it will be a better government. Too bad the world had not always seen better leaders after the people reflect the current government.

Terri

BonMallari
06-18-2009, 10:25 PM
Last week Osama was taking credit for influencing the outcome of the election, where does he really stand on this and every other issue?

Wherever the focus groups and his handlers tell him he needs to position himself, basically polar opposite of you and I....

Matt McKenzie
06-19-2009, 05:58 AM
In my opinion, this bears a close watch, but no involvement or even any sort of forceful statement. When we had our little election issue in FL, we sure didn't need other countries putting in their two cents based on media reports. So far, I think the Prez has done the right thing.

badbullgator
06-19-2009, 08:37 AM
Told you so......

TEHRAN, Iran Ė Iran's supreme leader said Friday that the country's disputed presidential vote had not been rigged, sternly warning protesters of a crackdown if they continue massive demonstrations demanding a new election.
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei sided with hardline President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and offered no concessions to the opposition. He effectively closed any chance for a new vote by calling the June 12 election an "absolute victory."


Why do they bother to have an election. Might as well do like little Kim does in North Korea.....pre-punch the ballets and get a full 99.9% of the vote (and shoot the 0.1% that gets the incorrectly punched cards)

brandywinelabs
06-19-2009, 12:10 PM
I think many of us have it right. Sit back and watch. However, I have a problem that President Monkey did not offer support to those who were cheated. Let them know we are there to help at the right time. It appears that those who are feeling cheated are those that are young, educated, and strive for some sort of democracy. Good Allies later? Probably. if we are there for them.

Franco
06-19-2009, 12:23 PM
The Democrats, including the President have no guts or vision.

Leave it to the Republicans to do what is right for this situation!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_us_iran

Bob Gutermuth
06-19-2009, 03:45 PM
The Israelis will straighten out Iran if they get too frisky. Who runs Iran is no big deal except if Iran becomes a member of the nuke club.

Franco
06-19-2009, 04:08 PM
The Israelis will straighten out Iran if they get too frisky. Who runs Iran is no big deal except if Iran becomes a member of the nuke club.

I understand that Obama told the Israeli Prime Minister last week that they will not be getting any more munitons from us until they give the Palestinians what they want. Hopefully, they have enough of what they need to take care of business.

Bob Gutermuth
06-19-2009, 04:32 PM
They will be selling snowballs in Hell before Netanyhu and co knuckle under to Osama. The Israeli Defense Force should have enough munitions to get the job done.