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Julie R.
07-23-2009, 11:41 AM
I have to admit I was disappointed that the President deflected real questions about his health care boondoggle last night and chose to respond to a totally unrelated question and play the race card.
Rumor has it the good Harvard professor who was arrested for breaking into his own home might've been just a little tipsy and just a little belligerent (as in punches thrown) with police. http://s490.photobucket.com/albums/rr266/MouseOnAFeedsack/LIARkin/th_drunksmilie.gif
You know, resisting arrest while spewing stuff the po po hears a million times like, "I didn't do it, that's not my chit, I live here," etc. and yes, even "this is racist, my rights are being violated." You can tune into Cops or listen to any police scanner, and hear the same kind of stuff they hear on a daily basis. And remember, the po po were responding to a call from a concerned neighbor. The good citizen who made that call is the one that should be accused of racial profiling, if in fact that's what this was. And who knows? Maybe the good professor got fractious because he had something in his house to hide?
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It's a shame that race baiting has to get in the way of an officer trying to do his job--which was responding to a citizen's call about a robbery or break in. And I imagine having the U.S. President comment on the incident and call it 'racist' despite having no knowledge of what really happened, didn't help and further emboldened the good Professor to obscure the truth without fear of reprisal. I would hope that if it can be proven he's the one that acted inappropriately, he loses his job over the incident for this is not the type of person who should be teaching black history at a prominent university.

Sadly, it seems the almighty race card has trumped common sense. I see the sad outcome of this event being police not taking break-in calls seriously and being afraid to apprehend black suspects for fear the U.S. President will play the race card.

Roger Perry
07-23-2009, 12:08 PM
I have to admit I was disappointed that the President deflected real questions about his health care boondoggle last night and chose to respond to a totally unrelated question and play the race card.
Rumor has it the good Harvard professor who was arrested for breaking into his own home might've been just a little tipsy and just a little belligerent (as in punches thrown) with police. http://s490.photobucket.com/albums/rr266/MouseOnAFeedsack/LIARkin/th_drunksmilie.gif
You know, resisting arrest while spewing stuff the po po hears a million times like, "I didn't do it, that's not my chit, I live here," etc. and yes, even "this is racist, my rights are being violated." You can tune into Cops or listen to any police scanner, and hear the same kind of stuff they hear on a daily basis. And remember, the po po were responding to a call from a concerned neighbor. The good citizen who made that call is the one that should be accused of racial profiling, if in fact that's what this was. And who knows? Maybe the good professor got fractious because he had something in his house to hide?
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It's a shame that race baiting has to get in the way of an officer trying to do his job--which was responding to a citizen's call about a robbery or break in. And I imagine having the U.S. President comment on the incident and call it 'racist' despite having no knowledge of what really happened, didn't help and further emboldened the good Professor to obscure the truth without fear of reprisal. I would hope that if it can be proven he's the one that acted inappropriately, he loses his job over the incident for this is not the type of person who should be teaching black history at a prominent university.

Sadly, it seems the almighty race card has trumped common sense. I see the sad outcome of this event being police not taking break-in calls seriously and being afraid to apprehend black suspects for fear the U.S. President will play the race card.

Couldn't tell ya, I did not listen to Obama last night.

YardleyLabs
07-23-2009, 12:43 PM
I have to admit I was disappointed that the President deflected real questions about his health care boondoggle last night and chose to respond to a totally unrelated question and play the race card.
Rumor has it the good Harvard professor who was arrested for breaking into his own home might've been just a little tipsy and just a little belligerent (as in punches thrown) with police. http://s490.photobucket.com/albums/rr266/MouseOnAFeedsack/LIARkin/th_drunksmilie.gif
You know, resisting arrest while spewing stuff the po po hears a million times like, "I didn't do it, that's not my chit, I live here," etc. and yes, even "this is racist, my rights are being violated." You can tune into Cops or listen to any police scanner, and hear the same kind of stuff they hear on a daily basis. And remember, the po po were responding to a call from a concerned neighbor. The good citizen who made that call is the one that should be accused of racial profiling, if in fact that's what this was. And who knows? Maybe the good professor got fractious because he had something in his house to hide?
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It's a shame that race baiting has to get in the way of an officer trying to do his job--which was responding to a citizen's call about a robbery or break in. And I imagine having the U.S. President comment on the incident and call it 'racist' despite having no knowledge of what really happened, didn't help and further emboldened the good Professor to obscure the truth without fear of reprisal. I would hope that if it can be proven he's the one that acted inappropriately, he loses his job over the incident for this is not the type of person who should be teaching black history at a prominent university.

Sadly, it seems the almighty race card has trumped common sense. I see the sad outcome of this event being police not taking break-in calls seriously and being afraid to apprehend black suspects for fear the U.S. President will play the race card.
There are lots of ways for things to be handled. Many, many years ago, my then wife and I had just returned from a trip. I heard a loud banging at the front door and found a large black man in dirty clothes with a gun demanding to be let in. He showed me his badge and said that they had received a call that there was a problem in my house. I identified myself and he provided more detail about the call they received which included allegations that my wife and I had been tied up as part of a home invasion. He apologized for his own appearance indicating that he was on an undercover decoy detail but was the closest to my house when the call came in. He asked very politely if they (by then two other officers had arrived at the front door and another two at the back) could look around to be sure that there was no problem. My wife came out with our young daughter. The police apologized for disturbing us and asked if we would like them to check around the property. We said that was not necessary and they left very politely. We did not invite them into our house and they did not attempt to enter.

This situation could easily have ended up very differently. Had the officer been anything other than very polite, I might well have reacted in a way that would have escalated the situation. Had the officer suspected me in any way, my door probably would have been broken down and I would have been flat on my face. In the case of Professor Gates, once his identity was established, I would hope that the police would have been exceptionally polite and that they would disengage as soon as possible. Whether or not Gates had "something to hide" is actually irrelevant. It's his house and he has the right not to be invaded by the police or anyone else in the absence of a warrant or probable cause.

brandywinelabs
07-23-2009, 12:58 PM
I have to admit that raised the hackles on the back of my neck. Until he/we know for sure what happened, how can you call the police "stupid" as O did last night? Once this all plays out, as Roger suggested, there will be more to it and O may have a large amount of egg on his face. :D

Julie R.
07-23-2009, 01:08 PM
Jeff....agree 100 percent with this

This situation could easily have ended up very differently. Had the officer been anything other than very polite, I might well have reacted in a way that would have escalated the situation. Had the officer suspected me in any way, my door probably would have been broken down and I would have been flat on my face. In the case of Professor Gates, once his identity was established, I would hope that the police would have been exceptionally polite and that they would disengage as soon as possible. Whether or not Gates had "something to hide" is actually irrelevant. It's his house and he has the right not to be invaded by the police or anyone else in the absence of a warrant or probable cause.

We don't know that he wasn't released immediately after he calmed down; he apparently was quite belligerant. So let's just suppose that he really was a robber or murderer breaking in a house and he said the same things to the police: Obscenity-laden denials and outrage and they let him go and he continued on his merry way and killed someone? Remember how often the cops hear vehement denials that the suspect hasn't done anything, never saw that crack pipe, that stolen stuff was his brother in law's; the basement window he smashed was his cousin's, etc. Should they let the perp go every time this happens? Which do you think is more common, nabbing an innocent person as happened with the good professor, or cuffing a thug who shrieks he's innocent, din do nuffin and the cops are racist?

It's a shame that he was black because if not, this would be the biggest non issue in Mass. (although I guess a white man could also claim his snivel rights had been violated after he'd clearly been in the wrong). Only a moron or a drunk would fight and argue with the police if he isn't guilty. Believe me, policemen are cognizant of having to treat black suspects carefully, they would not have cuffed him if he didn't deserve it. And I agree a man shouldn't need to worry about what's inside his house if he's not breaking any laws, so why give the po po probable cause if you arent' guilty? If you get pulled over for a tail light that's out and you have a bunch of drugs in your car, you probably know better than to start mouthing off at the officer, right?

And if you are the Pres. of the U.S., you should STFU on national TV about a case you know nothing about and stick to the topic at hand!

YardleyLabs
07-23-2009, 01:13 PM
In this case, it was my understanding (possibly incorrect) that his identity and residence was confirmed almost immediately by photo ID.

Julie R.
07-23-2009, 01:21 PM
I heard almost immediately too, as in 3 or 4 minutes of scuffling, punching and wrestling and that as soon as the good professor stopped fighting long enough to pull out his wallet, his identity was confirmed and he was released. What are the police supposed to do, give every perp time to draw a gun or a knife? Let each perp reach in their pocket before being cuffed or apprehended?

Apparently 'almost immediately' is a lifetime if it's racism though.

One can only hope there was some police video of the event including the time frame. If nothing else I'd love to see it on Cops.

Page
07-23-2009, 01:32 PM
I have to admit that raised the hackles on the back of my neck. Until he/we know for sure what happened, how can you call the police "stupid" as O did last night? Once this all plays out, as Roger suggested, there will be more to it and O may have a large amount of egg on his face. :D

It upset me too....and to hear his lapdog press laughing when he talked about it turned my stomach.

YardleyLabs
07-23-2009, 01:52 PM
I heard almost immediately too, as in 3 or 4 minutes of scuffling, punching and wrestling and that as soon as the good professor stopped fighting long enough to pull out his wallet, his identity was confirmed and he was released. What are the police supposed to do, give every perp time to draw a gun or a knife? Let each perp reach in their pocket before being cuffed or apprehended?

Apparently 'almost immediately' is a lifetime if it's racism though.

One can only hope there was some police video of the event including the time frame. If nothing else I'd love to see it on Cops.
By immediately after "his identity was confirmed" I assume you mean after they cuffed him and took him to the station where he was held for several hours. I find it hard to understand why they would go forward with an arrest after his identify was established which apparently happened in his house. With respect to Obama's comments, I felt they were injudicious, but not unbalanced. He stated that he knows Gates and considers him a friend. He said that he had no knowledge of the events beyond what was reported by the press but that, based on those reports it seemed the Cambridge PD had acted stupidly in arresting Gates and taking him into custody after his identity was established. He should have refused comment on the specifics given his lack of direct knowledge. His comments on racism generally seemed to be completely appropriate.

Gerry Clinchy
07-23-2009, 02:09 PM
Discussion I heard mentioned the possibility of a rented residence, and that the ID possibly had an address that did not agree with the address of the home in question.

Really, without the true facts of the event, I don't think it was appropriate to comment. It would also seem that his educational level should be able to provide a better word than "stupid" for the police actions. Would he have used the word "stupid" if the police officers had been African-American themselves? Or would he have noted that the police's actions were "unfounded" or "ill-advised" or even "grossly inappropriate to the situation" ?

dnf777
07-23-2009, 02:09 PM
By immediately after "his identity was confirmed" I assume you mean after they cuffed him and took him to the station where he was held for several hours. I find it hard to understand why they would go forward with an arrest after his identify was established which apparently happened in his house. With respect to Obama's comments, I felt they were injudicious, but not unbalanced. He stated that he knows Gates and considers him a friend. He said that he had no knowledge of the events beyond what was reported by the press but that, based on those reports it seemed the Cambridge PD had acted stupidly in arresting Gates and taking him into custody after his identity was established. He should have refused comment on the specifics given his lack of direct knowledge. His comments on racism generally seemed to be completely appropriate.

I have to say, I thought it was very thoughtless for him to comment on this case, with such little knowledge. Even with qualifiers, it serves no purpose other than to stir up prejedices, which will likely taint any investigation or lawsuits. It may hurt both the professor, AND the defense of the officers.

Not many on-going investigations have the bias of Presidential comments to deal with!

YardleyLabs
07-23-2009, 02:14 PM
I have to say, I thought it was very thoughtless for him to comment on this case, with such little knowledge. Even with qualifiers, it serves no purpose other than to stir up prejedices, which will likely taint any investigation or lawsuits. It may hurt both the professor, AND the defense of the officers.

Not many on-going investigations have the bias of Presidential comments to deal with!
I agree completely.

Bob Gutermuth
07-23-2009, 03:00 PM
Had the defendant's house actually been burglarized and an arrest of a perp made the professor would still have griped.

The Sgt is his departments instructor on and a recognized expert on profiling.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090723/ap_on_re_us/us_harvard_scholar_disorderly

road kill
07-23-2009, 03:26 PM
In this case, it was my understanding (possibly incorrect) that his identity and residence was confirmed almost immediately by photo ID.

Doesn't matter what your understanding is.

Understand this, when a Police Officer tells you to do something, DO IT, or you are in violation of the law!!

road kill
07-23-2009, 03:27 PM
I have to say, I thought it was very thoughtless for him to comment on this case, with such little knowledge. Even with qualifiers, it serves no purpose other than to stir up prejedices, which will likely taint any investigation or lawsuits. It may hurt both the professor, AND the defense of the officers.

Not many on-going investigations have the bias of Presidential comments to deal with!

Some are just "all-knowing" by nature.

Never, ever let the facts get in the way of a good story!!

Pete
07-23-2009, 03:29 PM
In this case, it was my understanding (possibly incorrect) that his identity and residence was confirmed almost immediately by photo ID

I just heard the police report on the radio. Getting this guys name and any type of info was like pulling teeth. That black guy is a racist and a big part of why things are screw up. If it went down like the report says the guy should have taken a few lumps with a billy club to wake him up.

He is a cop hater too.

All he had to say was,,, hey I live here and show him is ID and it would have been over. But NOOO he wanted to be an arsehole racist cop hatin piece of junk.

It figures,,,he is a proffesor.

Pete

dnf777
07-23-2009, 03:31 PM
Had the defendant's house actually been burglarized and an arrest of a perp made the professor would still have griped.

The Sgt is his departments instructor on and a recognized expert on profiling.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090723/ap_on_re_us/us_harvard_scholar_disorderly



As the facts trickle out, it sounds more and more like the police officer performed his duty honorably and within not only policy, but common sense.

Why do I have a feeling that this professor will soon be having a book on race relations for sale at your local book store, and now will be on the talk-show circuits promoting it in regards to this incident?

Obama put himself in the thick of this, and also in the unpleasant position of really needing to apologize and say that HE himself acted "stupidly" by commenting on this.

road kill
07-23-2009, 03:35 PM
There is a reason he took the side he did on this.
We are all afraid to state it.

Funny, he can't answer questions on his healthcare plan, or attendees and list releases, because he didn't have all the facts.
But he did not hesitate to choose sides here!!

It is what it is!

Raymond Little
07-23-2009, 03:41 PM
Could it be that Obammy is a "Racist" at heart??? Sure sounds like it from excerpts from his book.

How's That?;)

Hoosier
07-23-2009, 03:43 PM
If Obama wasn't a racist he wouldn't have sat and listened to Rev Wright all those years.

dnf777
07-23-2009, 03:48 PM
What I want to know is, WHO called the police??

Wouldn't his neighbors have recognized him??? I wonder if the officer wasn't "set up" in an attempt to gain publicity for any upcoming race-relations Books from the Harvard Press, written by the illustrious professor?

road kill
07-23-2009, 03:52 PM
What I want to know is, WHO called the police??

Wouldn't his neighbors have recognized him??? I wonder if the officer wasn't "set up" in an attempt to gain publicity for any upcoming race-relations Books from the Harvard Press, written by the illustrious professor?

I don't have a huge issue with the Professor.
People pull this stuff all the time.

But as the President of the United States of America, well, any respect I had for him is gone.

At the least the Police Officer gets the benefit of the doubt until the reveiw is done within the department.

C'mon, that was a revealing glimpse into this man's character!!

And this officer is owed a HUGE apology!!

Roger Perry
07-23-2009, 04:03 PM
But as the President of the United States of America, well, any respect I had for him is gone.

You had respect for him?:shock:

road kill
07-23-2009, 04:14 PM
You had respect for him?:shock:

That's right Roger, attack me, with a smarmy comment about what you think I think.

Don't dare address the issue, because you got nothing!!

dnf777
07-23-2009, 04:21 PM
I don't have a huge issue with the Professor.
People pull this stuff all the time.

But as the President of the United States of America, well, any respect I had for him is gone.

At the least the Police Officer gets the benefit of the doubt until the reveiw is done within the department.

C'mon, that was a revealing glimpse into this man's character!!

And this officer is owed a HUGE apology!!

Yeah, I mentioned that. Whether he ultimately is shown to be right or wrong, the willingness to make such a statement when you admit you don't have all the facts, was stupid. He's gonna really regret that one.


OTOH, that officer has shown tremendous class and restraint, while effectively expressing his views.

Martin
07-23-2009, 04:32 PM
Right on Roadkill! Just do what they say! No problems.

Another thing why in the world did he, at the end, talk about profiling blacks and latinos. Doesn't this man know that the the Majority of the crimes commited in the USA are commited by blacks and latinos? Look at the prisons. more blacks and latinos than whites.

Traveling in so. miss a few years age we, my family and I, were stopped in a overall balck town by a black police officer. When asked why he stopped us he said YOU did not look like you from around here. Profiling. He asked to search the car and I consented and he let us go! What a crock of crap.

It goes on just as much with blacks as with whites. Whites seem to just let roll and go on about our business, like work!

Now I'm just saying!
Martin

YardleyLabs
07-23-2009, 04:40 PM
Doesn't matter what your understanding is.

Understand this, when a Police Officer tells you to do something, DO IT, or you are in violation of the law!!
You must know this isn't actually true. Many states have laws that require people to obey lawful orders by law enforcement officers under specific circumstances such as with respect to traffic enforcement, at the scene of an accident or crime, etc. I am not aware of any general requirement that forces people to obey law enforcement officers at all times. In fact, if you obey an unlawful order by a police officer, then you yourself are guilty of a crime notwithstanding the order you were given. Obviously, any time you are arguing with an armed person, discretion is warranted. However, if a police officer asks to search my home in the absence of a warrant, I will clearly state that I do not give my permission.

luvmylabs23139
07-23-2009, 04:49 PM
Obumma is a jerk!!!!
Seriously though, I really think he wants race relations to get worse not better in this country. He favors preferential quotas for minorities. Look closely in the house healthcare bill, you will find them.

YardleyLabs
07-23-2009, 04:52 PM
Obumma is a jerk!!!!
Seriously though, I really think he wants race relations to get worse not better in this country. He favors preferential quotas for minorities. Look closely in the house healthcare bill, you will find them.
Do you have a reference? I did not see any such quotas.

luvmylabs23139
07-23-2009, 05:11 PM
On page 879-880, the bill states that the Secretary of Health and Human Services



"shall make grants to, or enter into contracts with, eligible entities . . . to operate a professional training program in the field of family medicine, general internal medicine, general pediatrics, or geriatrics, to provide financial assistance and traineeships and fellowships to those students (http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/07/racial_preferences_in_the_demo_1.html#), interns, residents or physicians who plan to work in or teach in the field of family medicine, general internal medicine, general pediatrics, or geriatrics."


On page 881-882 the bill states:



"In awarding grants or contracts under this section, the Secretary shall give preference to entities that have a demonstrated record of the following: . . . Training individuals who are from underrepresented minority groups or disadvantaged backgrounds."


On page 883 the bill states:



"The Secretary shall make grants to, or enter into contracts with, eligible entities . . . to operate or participate in an established primary care residency training program, which may include-(A) planning and developing curricula; (B) recruitment and training of residents; and (C) retention of faculty."


On page 884-885 the bill states:



"In awarding grants and contracts . . . the Secretary shall give preference to entities that have a demonstrated record of training . . . individuals who are from underrepresented minority groups or disadvantaged backgrounds . . . ."


On page 887-889 the bill states that the




"Secretary shall make grants to, or enter into contracts with, eligible entities . . . to operate a professional training program for oral health professionals, to provide financial assistance and traineeships and fellowships to those professionals who plan to work in or teach general, pediatric, or public health dentistry, or dental hygiene, to establish, maintain, or improve academic administrative units (including departments, divisions, or other appropriate units) in the specialties of general, pediatric, or public health dentistry, to operate a loan repayment program for full-time faculty in a program of general, pediatric, or public health dentistry."


On page 889-890 the bill states:



"In awarding grants or contracts under this section, the Secretary shall give preference to entities that have a demonstrated record of the following: . . . Training individuals who are from underrepresented minority groups or disadvantaged backgrounds."


On page 908-909 the bill states: "The Secretary shall award grants and contracts to eligible entities" to do the same things for the field of public health as the Secretary can do for dentistry.


On page 909 the bill states:



"In awarding grants or contracts under this section, the Secretary shall give preference to entities that have a demonstrated record of the following: . . . Training individuals who are from underrepresented minority groups or disadvantaged backgrounds."


That's just one example.

subroc
07-23-2009, 05:42 PM
barack obama
race-baiter in chief

YardleyLabs
07-23-2009, 07:05 PM
On page 879-880, the bill states that the Secretary of Health and Human Services


"shall make grants to, or enter into contracts with, eligible entities . . . to operate a professional training program in the field of family medicine, general internal medicine, general pediatrics, or geriatrics, to provide financial assistance and traineeships and fellowships to those students (http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/07/racial_preferences_in_the_demo_1.html#), interns, residents or physicians who plan to work in or teach in the field of family medicine, general internal medicine, general pediatrics, or geriatrics."
On page 881-882 the bill states:


"In awarding grants or contracts under this section, the Secretary shall give preference to entities that have a demonstrated record of the following: . . . Training individuals who are from underrepresented minority groups or disadvantaged backgrounds."
On page 883 the bill states:


"The Secretary shall make grants to, or enter into contracts with, eligible entities . . . to operate or participate in an established primary care residency training program, which may include-(A) planning and developing curricula; (B) recruitment and training of residents; and (C) retention of faculty."
On page 884-885 the bill states:


"In awarding grants and contracts . . . the Secretary shall give preference to entities that have a demonstrated record of training . . . individuals who are from underrepresented minority groups or disadvantaged backgrounds . . . ."
On page 887-889 the bill states that the



"Secretary shall make grants to, or enter into contracts with, eligible entities . . . to operate a professional training program for oral health professionals, to provide financial assistance and traineeships and fellowships to those professionals who plan to work in or teach general, pediatric, or public health dentistry, or dental hygiene, to establish, maintain, or improve academic administrative units (including departments, divisions, or other appropriate units) in the specialties of general, pediatric, or public health dentistry, to operate a loan repayment program for full-time faculty in a program of general, pediatric, or public health dentistry."
On page 889-890 the bill states:


"In awarding grants or contracts under this section, the Secretary shall give preference to entities that have a demonstrated record of the following: . . . Training individuals who are from underrepresented minority groups or disadvantaged backgrounds."
On page 908-909 the bill states: "The Secretary shall award grants and contracts to eligible entities" to do the same things for the field of public health as the Secretary can do for dentistry.


On page 909 the bill states:


"In awarding grants or contracts under this section, the Secretary shall give preference to entities that have a demonstrated record of the following: . . . Training individuals who are from underrepresented minority groups or disadvantaged backgrounds."


That's just one example.

How are any of those quotas? Would you rather they reserve grants for those that have failed to train underrepresented minorities? There are similar requirements for essentially all Federally financed programs.

luvmylabs23139
07-23-2009, 07:27 PM
How are any of those quotas? Would you rather they reserve grants for those that have failed to train underrepresented minorities? There are similar requirements for essentially all Federally financed programs.

They should award grants based on the ones that have the highest standards in admissions and such. Med schools will be forced to admit larger # of minorites ignoring their qualifications in order to receive federal funding and grants. Read between the lines, this is giving preference to minorities,
Grants should be based on standards of qualifications not the minority crap.

YardleyLabs
07-23-2009, 07:34 PM
They should award grants based on the ones that have the highest standards in admissions and such. Med schools will be forced to admit larger # of minorites ignoring their qualifications in order to receive federal funding and grants. Read between the lines, this is giving preference to minorities,
Grants should be based on standards of qualifications not the minority crap.
Actually, I disagree. They are trying to get people to serve in specialties and geographic areas that are currently under served. It seems to me that they should show preference for those most likely to meet those needs.

Bob Gutermuth
07-23-2009, 08:04 PM
The guy who graduates last in his medical school class is still an MD. Special consideration should be given to those most likely to be good doctors, there are more than enough unqualified ones in the US, many educated in foreign medical schools.

Hew
07-23-2009, 11:18 PM
How are any of those quotas? Would you rather they reserve grants for those that have failed to train underrepresented minorities?
In order to determine that something/anything is underrepresented you must both a) quantify that something and b) must have a determination or numerical value in mind that determines when that something is adequately represented instead of underrepresented. Whatever that numerical value is, is the quota.

YardleyLabs
07-24-2009, 05:41 AM
In order to determine that something/anything is underrepresented you must both a) quantify that something and b) must have a determination or numerical value in mind that determines when that something is adequately represented instead of underrepresented. Whatever that numerical value is, is the quota.
That's quite a stretch. You would probably prefer the French system where the claim is that racism doesn't exist and therefore there is no reason to collect any information on race. The reality is that racism is rampant -- a fact known to all -- but there is no way to quantify the impact because of the absence of measurement.

On questions of race, our country has improved dramatically since my youth. However, racism is still prevalent and evident even in the title of this thread. There is absolutely nothing that Obama said in his press conference that could be called "race baiting", other than the fact that he himself is black.

subroc
07-24-2009, 05:55 AM
...The reality is that racism is rampant...

On questions of race, our country has improved dramatically since my youth. However, racism is still prevalent and evident even in the title of this thread. There is absolutely nothing that Obama said in his press conference that could be called "race baiting", other than the fact that he himself is black.

Really? Rampant? A left wing canard.

The fact is accusations of racism are rampant where none exists. This is a high profile example of those accusations with obama's tacit approval illustrated by his reflexive attack on the police officer without having complete information.

YardleyLabs
07-24-2009, 06:05 AM
Really? Rampant? A left wing canard.

The fact is accusations of racism are rampant where none exists. This is a high profile example of those accusations with obama's tacit approval illustrated by his reflexive attack on the police officer without having complete information.
Did you even read what I wrote? I was actually referring to France when i said racism was rampant. However, there is no question that race defines much of how we view events and people in the US as well. And if you read my earlier posts you will see that I already said that Obama had no business saying the police department had acted stupidly in its arrestof Gates without more direct factual evidence of what happened.

Bob Gutermuth
07-24-2009, 06:08 AM
All this rancor cause some knucklehead got what he deserved for contempt of cop, all but an attitude adjustment that is.

Hew
07-24-2009, 07:01 AM
That's quite a stretch. You would probably prefer the French system where the claim is that racism doesn't exist and therefore there is no reason to collect any information on race. The reality is that racism is rampant -- a fact known to all -- but there is no way to quantify the impact because of the absence of measurement.
Right. I don't know what all that has to do with price of baguettes in Paris. You said there are no race-based quotas in Obama's health plan, I was responding to that. Let me try a different way...

1) Obama's plan states that minorities are "underrepresented"
2) To make that claim he must be able to define what "underrepresented means (eg. blacks make up 3% of all surgeons)
3) If he can define "underrperesented," then logically, he would know what "appropriately represented" means (eg. black should comprise 15% of all surgeons).
4) Whatever he defines as "appropriately represented" is the number that his plan is striving to achieve. You know...his goal. His...ahem, QUOTA.

road kill
07-24-2009, 07:25 AM
Right. I don't know what all that has to do with price of baguettes in Paris. You said there are no race-based quotas in Obama's health plan, I was responding to that. Let me try a different way...

1) Obama's plan states that minorities are "underrepresented"
2) To make that claim he must be able to define what "underrepresented means (eg. blacks make up 3% of all surgeons)
3) If he can define "underrperesented," then logically, he would know what "appropriately represented" means (eg. black should comprise 15% of all surgeons).
4) Whatever he defines as "appropriately represented" is the number that his plan is striving to achieve. You know...his goal. His...ahem, QUOTA.

Hew, everyone (including Yardley) understands.
You point is;
Clear
Relevant
Breif

Very well made.

The progressive don't have an argument for this disaster, so they pretend they don't get it (which they don't, but that's another thread altogether)!!
So, they feel if the bloviate enough they can obfuscate the real issue!!

Now, let's go insult a Policeman!!:shock:

blindfaith
07-24-2009, 07:43 AM
Back in 1969, sitting President Richard M. Nixon made a comment to the press that Charles Manson (who was then on trial for the horrendous murders of Sharon Tate and four others in California) was "guilty" of unspeakable crimes. The press went berserk and rightly excoriated Nixon for making this public judgment when Manson was, in fact, still supposed to enjoy the presumption of innocence. It was pointed out ad nauseaum that it was inappropriate for a sitting President to make such a statement which could, potentially, sway public opinion and poison the jury pool.

I'm pretty sure that Nixon was forced to apologize. That being said, Nixon undoubtedly knew a great deal about the Manson case since it had been front page news for months all over the nation. Should he have made such a bonehead statement? No. Was he at least far more informed regarding the merits of the case than Obama was in this situation? Absolutely-- as was every newspaper-reading American.

No matter what, this was not a proper topic for a Presidential press conference. It showed a lack of wisdom and maturity on the part of our Commander in Chief that is appalling, to say the least.

Marcia Butuikas

blindfaith
07-24-2009, 08:14 AM
This is the first time I've been on this forum and I just saw my wife's post...so I'll add something after hearing two black gentlemen, one liberal and one conservative, on O'Reilly last night. I'm white, used to be a liberal ( changed dramatically about 1996 due to lies, deceit and convenient lack of regard for the truth and facts by the liberal wing of the Democratic party) and I was raised by parents who would not tolerate even a hint of racism.

The fact that racism exists ( I believe it does ), is prevalent. is rampant, occurs everyday ( all of which I question deeply) is irrelevant. For the President of the United States to call out a policeman's action in the way he did, all the while admitting he did not have all the facts, was STUPID, irresponsible and, yes, in my mind, racist. He's being defended due to the fact that he knew the professor. Without the facts, that, also, is at least close to irrelevant... AND if you throw in the fact that he KNEW and initially defended the Reverend Wright ( who, IMHO is one of the most despicable characters on the American scene) then one would have to seriously question how much weight should be given to that bit of " evidence". He threw Wright, his Grandmother and others "under the bus" when the time was right. If you go on to look at the other classy folks that he has chummed around with, I find it hard to think that this comment wasn't just in keeping with his own brand of hatred for many of the things I hold dear.... America included.



For the record I have always wanted to vote for a Black to be my president and there were black men and women who I would have voted for in a heartbeat...BUT...I'm not voting for a radical liberal of any color, shape or size. He's rapidly proving, to me at least, that my assessment of him was on the money...driven by ideology.

Bill Butikas, humble husband of Marcia
Soon to be running dogs...black, yellow and chocolate in about an hour ..... and until the libs try even harder to make that illegal as well!!

Julie R.
07-24-2009, 10:55 AM
The reality is that racism is rampant -- a fact known to all -- but there is no way to quantify the impact because of the absence of measurement.

On questions of race, our country has improved dramatically since my youth. However, racism is still prevalent and evident even in the title of this thread. There is absolutely nothing that Obama said in his press conference that could be called "race baiting", other than the fact that he himself is black.

As the AUTHOR of the "racist" title of this thread....I titled it race baiting because that's exactly what Obongo did. No different than Sharpton, Jackson et al rushing to the defense of the Tawana Brawleys of the world: making false accusations and then hiding behind the bulletproof shield of discrimination.

I agree with you that racism in this country is rampant. But like the 800 lb. gorilla sitting in the middle of the room, the racism that's rampant is black racism. Whites proved in the last election that they can and will vote for a black man. Blacks, on the other hand, went nearly 100 percent for the black candidate.

Black racism emboldens blacks INCLUDING THE POTUS to say and do all kinds of outrageous things and defend themselves with the rallying cry of "That's racist" or "My snivel rights have been violated" or some other equally offfensive jenkem the country is expected to drink. This President should NOT get a pass on his inappropriate behavior but he will: because people like YOU, Jeff, will call his detractors racist. Much like he got elected because the media and the public was afraid to question the shady things and holes in his past because it might be racist. I think it's pretty safe to say Barry Soetero NEVER would've even won the Democratic nomination with such a past if he'd been white.

Did you not watch the news last night? Did you not see that the good "Professer" called the police officer a mother******? and other assorted epithets? HOW DARE THE PRESIDENT DEFEND HIM? I'm ashamed that race baiting scum like that teaches at a prestigious university. I wonder if the African studies he teaches include stuff like the Nation of Islam mothership and other revisionist history? He almost had to be snot flinging drunk to act like he did and say what he did, but it's still not an excuse. I cannot imagine any respectable human being callling a police officer a mother****** for any reason.

So save your breath and don't you call me a racist Jeff Goodwin because I called out Obongo on race baiting. That is exactly what it was. Not only was it race baiting and despicable for a President to engage in, he won't even have to apologize because he and his staff of sycophants will rally round under their favorite chant:

THAT'S RACIST
____________

bobbyb
07-24-2009, 11:11 AM
Julie,
you told it like the cow ate the cabbage !! YOU GO GIRL !!!

brandywinelabs
07-24-2009, 12:51 PM
Lets see now....
If the policeman was as described, it would seem the prof would have been a bit roughed up. Having hung with police a bit, it seems that this officer was rather lax in the way he handled the situation. Since the ID was not on the prof, instead of asking where the ID was and having another officer get it, he just followed the prof into the house. Where who knows what could have been lurking. That would indicate a lot of initial trust. So what set this situation off? Seems the police man who taught other cops how not to racial profile was treating this guy more than fairly. Then there is the prof who in his teachings is, so-to-speak, all about blacks. Someone is lying here and I doubt it is the officer.

Hoosier
07-24-2009, 01:39 PM
Great post Julie. Obami calling the cop stupid was way out of line, and he should be held accountable for it, and pressured to apologize.

dnf777
07-24-2009, 02:19 PM
I think there's a whole bunch of heated emotions and pre-emptive accusations flying in BOTH directions here. I have already stated that it didn't make any sense to me to start a comment with, "Not knowing all the facts"...and then concluding with "acted stupidly" and linking to racial profiling VERY unpresidential and stupid. He knows it, and I suspect he will backpedal.

I see potential STUPID behavior on both sides of this story.

Anytime a cop tells me to do something lawful, especially if tensions are high, you damn right I'm doing it and QUICK. (I don't want a sit-nick-sit with a 9mm!)

OTOH, if the prof showed reasonable ID, and the cop did not have enough reason to doubt him and enter the home and make an arrest of an invader (the cop ordered him to step outside prior to arresting, which was interesting) then maybe it wasn't the best judgement.

I will always give the police officer the BOTD, but not a free pass. And this may sound racist, but I'm sorry...if a black man is pushing a door open in a predominately white neighborhood, and a neighbor calls the police, not recognizing the person....hell yes there's going to be a confrontation. That's not racial profiling folks, that's doing your job!

Lets wait until the facts come out, before calling each other names?

Page
07-24-2009, 02:37 PM
OTOH, if the prof showed reasonable ID, and the cop did not have enough reason to doubt him and enter the home and make an arrest of an invader (the cop ordered him to step outside prior to arresting, which was interesting) then maybe it wasn't the best judgement.


The arrest wasn't for breaking and entering, it was for disorderly conduct. He was aware the man lived there so the ID was not relevant. Gates was combative and uncooperative from the start.

The police report is here. A very informative read.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0723092gates1.html

Franco
07-24-2009, 02:38 PM
For the President of the United States to call out a policeman's action in the way he did, all the while admitting he did not have all the facts, was STUPID, irresponsible and, yes, in my mind, racist.



I for one am not surprised that Obama is a racist. How could anyone spend 20 years in Rev Wright's church and not be? Add the comments by his wife during tha campaign. Too bad so many voters are so guible because the current POTUS is an idiot.

If anyone should apologize, it should be the black professor. He was the one that acted belligerant when the police responsed to the break-in phone call.

I understand the professor has filed a suit. I hope the police officer files a civil counter-suit seeking financial damages!

Page
07-24-2009, 02:44 PM
If anyone should apologize, it should be the black professor. He was the one that acted beligerent when the police responsed to the break-in phone call.


Apologize! Are you kidding. He'll be on Oprah next week and have his book out in a few months. :rolleyes:

M&K's Retrievers
07-24-2009, 03:14 PM
As the AUTHOR of the "racist" title of this thread....I titled it race baiting because that's exactly what Obongo did. No different than Sharpton, Jackson et al rushing to the defense of the Tawana Brawleys of the world: making false accusations and then hiding behind the bulletproof shield of discrimination.

I agree with you that racism in this country is rampant. But like the 800 lb. gorilla sitting in the middle of the room, the racism that's rampant is black racism. Whites proved in the last election that they can and will vote for a black man. Blacks, on the other hand, went nearly 100 percent for the black candidate.

Black racism emboldens blacks INCLUDING THE POTUS to say and do all kinds of outrageous things and defend themselves with the rallying cry of "That's racist" or "My snivel rights have been violated" or some other equally offfensive jenkem the country is expected to drink. This President should NOT get a pass on his inappropriate behavior but he will: because people like YOU, Jeff, will call his detractors racist. Much like he got elected because the media and the public was afraid to question the shady things and holes in his past because it might be racist. I think it's pretty safe to say Barry Soetero NEVER would've even won the Democratic nomination with such a past if he'd been white.

Did you not watch the news last night? Did you not see that the good "Professer" called the police officer a mother******? and other assorted epithets? HOW DARE THE PRESIDENT DEFEND HIM? I'm ashamed that race baiting scum like that teaches at a prestigious university. I wonder if the African studies he teaches include stuff like the Nation of Islam mothership and other revisionist history? He almost had to be snot flinging drunk to act like he did and say what he did, but it's still not an excuse. I cannot imagine any respectable human being callling a police officer a mother****** for any reason.

So save your breath and don't you call me a racist Jeff Goodwin because I called out Obongo on race baiting. That is exactly what it was. Not only was it race baiting and despicable for a President to engage in, he won't even have to apologize because he and his staff of sycophants will rally round under their favorite chant:

THAT'S RACIST
____________

Julie, your my hero!!

Gerry Clinchy
07-24-2009, 03:21 PM
From our local paper (by-line AP, Washington)


Before Obama's appearance Friday, a multiracial group of police officers stood with Crowley in Massachusetts (http://www.mcall.com/topic/us/massachusetts-PLGEO100102700000000.topic) and asked Obama and the state's governor, Deval Patrick, to apologize for comments they called insulting. Patrick has said Gates' arrest was "every black man's nightmare."

Dennis O'Connor, president of the Cambridge Police Superior Officers Association, said Obama's remarks were "misdirected" and the Cambridge police "deeply resent the implication" that race was a factor in the arrest.

Sgt. Leon Lashley, a black officer who was at Gates' home with Crowley at the time of the arrest, said he supported his fellow officer's action "100 percent."


BHO offered somewhat of an apology ...


"I want to make clear that in my choice of words, I think I unfortunately gave an impression that I was maligning the Cambridge police department and Sgt. Crowley specifically. And I could've calibrated those words differently."


Didn't know you could "calibrate" the word "stupid" ... well, there is "a little stupid"; and "very stupid" ...

Bob Gutermuth
07-24-2009, 03:34 PM
Race wouldn't be an issue if Gates hadn't tried to play the race card.

Pete
07-24-2009, 03:42 PM
With all thats happened this year with our new president,,,,I'm starting to consider myself pretty dam smart,,,,and have come to the conclusion that ,,,if this guy can become president so can I.

Obama is turning out to be the supreme idiot and half the contry and most of the press are still making goo goo eyes at him. Back then I new we were in trouble,,,but now we can take that theory and make a law out of it.
He makes GW look like the president of Mensa.

Pete

Pals
07-24-2009, 03:56 PM
Julie--

You hit that out of the ballpark--you rock! I'm to the point where if I see the POTUS start to talk or even show up on camera I change the channel. I only take so much 'stupidity' in my life. Needless to say we've been watching a lot outdoor channel lately.

dnf777
07-24-2009, 03:56 PM
The arrest wasn't for breaking and entering, it was for disorderly conduct. He was aware the man lived there so the ID was not relevant. Gates was combative and uncooperative from the start.

The police report is here. A very informative read.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0723092gates1.html

That's my point exactly. If Gates refused to show adequate ID and was arrested b/c the officer could not determine if he should be there, that's fine.

However, once his ID was established, BOTH parties should have recomposed themselves and not made an international incident out of this. I've seen people get very irate and calling police names, and it can be ignored, defused, or escalated. That's where judgement and professionalism come into play. I admire a cop who can be insulted, called names, and remain calm and defuse a situation peacefully. Lord knows I couldn't. I'd be too quick to 'clear leather'.

My hunch is that this professor saw free publicity in a no-lose situation (well, maybe a night in the slammer) but book tours, etc...

Most officers that I know, would much rather defuse and walk away if no crime has been committed, rather than have to defend their reputations in public.

Again, lots of hype and emotion, and little facts. Lets see how it all comes out in the wash. As I predicted, Obama is backpedaling already.

Terry Britton
07-24-2009, 04:40 PM
Did you guys miss that Gates only gave his work ID and not a Government issued ID that would have had his address? The officer had no clue if Gates should have been there or not, but did know Gates was yelling at him while he was trying to question him.

Gates should have given his drivers license, and explained that this was his house. He should have thanked the officer for checking on his house being broke into by Gates himself since Gates didn't have the keys. If it were someone else, Gates could have lost valuable stuff or been in trouble from a real criminal.

Sometimes the police do go to far in generating a criminal, but this is a case where Gates asked for the trouble.

It is all about respect, and Gates showed none, and the leader showed very poor judgement in commenting on a local issue.

Julie R.
07-24-2009, 05:20 PM
Bottom line, this was race baiting at its worst. The good Prof. Gates who is the scum of the earth as far as I'm concerned, single-handedly set race relations back 40 years. He intentionally made a huge scene and called a policeman doing his job a mother****er among other equally disgusting and rude comments. The reason he acted so outrageously is because he was DYING to play the race card and knew he could hide under the umbrella of snivel rights and the rallying cry of "That's racist". He did his best to provoke the officer, who simply did his job and behaved with admirable decorum.

Gates has continued grandstanding acting just like a drunk perp on Cops which is where he belongs, not teaching at a prestigious university. He's continued to try and turn this into a "Hate Whitey" campaign when it never should have been about race to begin with. Of course he knew he could count on his good buddy Obongo to come to his rescue, too.

And that's exactly what happened. Obongo simply couldn't resist a little lecture on race relations despite the fact that it's stunts like this that hurt decent law abiding blacks everywhere. Obongo should've kept his trap shut but since he opened his mouth and inserted his foot he owes policemen everywhere and especially Sgt. Crowley an apology.

Now we have the media circus to the delight of that one-trick pony Gates; even to the point where Obongo is desperately fumbling with damage control. He wants to play 'aw shucks fellas' and have a tea party at the White House so they can hold hands and sing kumbayah and he won't have to admit what a serious error in judgment he made. I'm referring to the big "news flash" that he invited both to the White House to soothe things over. GIVE ME A BREAK! The narcissistic SOB will go to ANY length not to apologize for his mistake.

Personally I hope Crowley refuses to go; there's nothing he can say that won't be twisted around into a dog and pony show to make the pair of racists shake their fingers at white America and further black racism in this country. It frankly sickens me. On the other hand....I hope it's an eye opener to a lot of people.

kjrice
07-24-2009, 05:28 PM
Time reveals all. Hopefully those drinking the kool-aid the first time around wake up.

mjh345
07-24-2009, 07:30 PM
Time reveals all. Hopefully those drinking the kool-aid the first time around wake up.

Agreed. At this point only the people on the scene really know what happened. As such it is mere speculation and premature at that for anyone to comment on the "facts" of the case.
A bunch of talking heads on talk shows, or dog afficionados on this site are really just making a prematutre guess as to what actually happened

However, I do know that when the POTUS comments on the "facts" of the case at a press conference dealing with Health Care it shows VERY poor judgement on his part on multiple levels.

A bunch of talking radio wonks trying to generate ratings, or a number of bored people on the internet commenting prematurely about it is understandable. However the POTUS commenting on it really shows terrible judgement.
I would think he would have more important things to do. It would appear to me that he could make better use of his time by educating himself on nationalized healthcare for one thing

Franco
07-24-2009, 07:30 PM
So, will Obama do the right thing and apologize to the Police Officer involved or will be continue to play politics and try and talk his way out of this faux pas?

mjh345
07-24-2009, 07:58 PM
So, will Obama do the right thing and apologize to the Police Officer involved or will be continue to play politics and try and talk his way out of this faux pas?
I'm guessing his "recallibrate my words" BS is what he's going to say passes for an apology

subroc
07-24-2009, 08:21 PM
Is there really all that much speculation left?

Are there enough facts present to make a judgment?

What more does anyone need?

I say there are enough facts and the results are that Gates is a racist and obama is a race baiter.

Buzz
07-24-2009, 08:34 PM
I'm guessing his "recallibrate my words" BS is what he's going to say passes for an apology

I'll tell you what though. If it would get me a beer at the White House, Obama can go on TV any time and tell the whole world that I'm stupid.:p

dback
07-24-2009, 09:23 PM
I'll tell you what though. If it would get me a beer at the White House, Obama can go on TV any time and tell the whole world that I'm stupid.:p


Right after the public apology.....otherwise I'd tell him where to shove it.....

Pete
07-24-2009, 10:16 PM
Julie
You know how to say it. I think the republican party could use you as their spokes person and you don't have all that far to drive to work.
You rock girl.:)
Pete

Hoosier
07-24-2009, 10:39 PM
Here is Rev. Manning on the subject of blacks using racism to hold America hostage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmPfSIZWwKs&feature=player_embedded

JDogger
07-24-2009, 11:22 PM
Julie
I think the republican party could use you as their spokes person

I think that is a good idea. Run with it please.

JDogger

Cody Covey
07-25-2009, 03:44 AM
Agreed. At this point only the people on the scene really know what happened. As such it is mere speculation and premature at that for anyone to comment on the "facts" of the case.
A bunch of talking heads on talk shows, or dog afficionados on this site are really just making a prematutre guess as to what actually happened

However, I do know that when the POTUS comments on the "facts" of the case at a press conference dealing with Health Care it shows VERY poor judgement on his part on multiple levels.

A bunch of talking radio wonks trying to generate ratings, or a number of bored people on the internet commenting prematurely about it is understandable. However the POTUS commenting on it really shows terrible judgement.
I would think he would have more important things to do. It would appear to me that he could make better use of his time by educating himself on nationalized healthcare for one thing
I too would love to know what more facts we need. We have seen the police report that is backed up by another officer. As well as a black officer at that although I'm not sure he was there although i think he was. And also backed up by witnesses outside. Although Jeff and Obama are probably right its just the white folk all putting their story together to kick the black man out of the neighborhood. To bad for Gates all the stories match up...damn the white man, oh and that one black man...damn them!

road kill
07-25-2009, 06:57 AM
So, will Obama do the right thing and apologize to the Police Officer involved or will be continue to play politics and try and talk his way out of this faux pas?

No he will not.
He is an "Elitest" that is above that kind of thing!!

dnf777
07-25-2009, 07:03 AM
Time reveals all. Hopefully those drinking the kool-aid the first time around wake up.

I gave up the Kool Aid in about 2003. They ALL peddle it.

dnf777
07-25-2009, 07:10 AM
If anyone thinks that they're upset at Gates for what he did, Imagine being black for a moment. Doing the same job you do, raising a family to be hard working and putting race cards behind you and moving on to being a good, outstanding citizen, who even competes in FTs with a lab.....

Then hearing this...and having to put up with all the race-baiting comments at work, and having people shoot you glares.....

Point is, if I were black, I'd REALLY be pissed at Gates, like non of us even can imagine!!!

(if I were Jesse or Sharpton, I'd be thrilled, b/c this equals more inane rants on CNN and rallies, and $$$) That's what I suspect this is all about anyway.

road kill
07-25-2009, 07:45 AM
If anyone thinks that they're upset at Gates for what he did, Imagine being black for a moment. Doing the same job you do, raising a family to be hard working and putting race cards behind you and moving on to being a good, outstanding citizen, who even competes in FTs with a lab.....

Then hearing this...and having to put up with all the race-baiting comments at work, and having people shoot you glares.....

Point is, if I were black, I'd REALLY be pissed at Gates, like non of us even can imagine!!!

(if I were Jesse or Sharpton, I'd be thrilled, b/c this equals more inane rants on CNN and rallies, and $$$) That's what I suspect this is all about anyway.

I respectfully disagree, Gates did what people like him do every day.

The President of the United States of America messed up.

That is where the issue is.

dnf777
07-25-2009, 07:57 AM
I respectfully disagree, Gates did what people like him do every day.

The President of the United States of America messed up.

That is where the issue is.

Not all black people are like Gates. Not the ones I work with anyway. I feel bad for hard-working folks who are trying to break out of stereotypes, and then this type of thing sets them back 20+ years.

I thought Obama may be different. Some of his speeches to black audiences rang true with me...like "get off yer duffs and be FATHERS to your kids" and "stay in school and get a job" All good advice. But this episode is very disappointing. I'm sure polls show he was losing support in that community, maybe this was his way of energizing his base.

Hew
07-25-2009, 08:12 AM
I'm sure polls show he was losing support in that community, maybe this was his way of energizing his base.
Shoot, he could strangle a live puppy on TV and wouldn't lose the support of "that community." No, where he's afraid he's losing support is with the middle-of-the-road white folks who voted for him in the hopes that electing a black president would erase the sins of the past and allow us to move on with respect to race. They're the ones I suspect who are most shocked at Obama's knee-jerk reaction to support Gates and imply that the cops were a bunch of stupid racists. That's why Obama is in full damage control mode...because he has disappointed and pissed off a lot of white folks whose votes he needs in a few years. Believe me, there wasn't one person in America who was happier when 5 pm Friday rolled around than Obama.

Julie R.
07-25-2009, 08:50 AM
Julie
You know how to say it. I think the republican party could use you as their spokes person and you don't have all that far to drive to work.
You rock girl.:smile:
Pete I think that is a good idea. Run with it please.
JDogger

JDog since you are such a cyberstalker supreme, I'm sure you've dug up the information about my stint as a speechwriter on the Reagan transition team and briefly at the White House (old executive office bldg. actually) before working at the U.S. Dept. of State 1981=85...as a speechwriter and congressional liaison. It was an incredible learning experience but I intensely disliked the bureaucracy then; I'm sure I couldn't stomach it now. And I had my chance at diplomacy too; as a foreign service officer I declined to be posted to Mogadishu in the mid 1980s and gave up the government for the private sector. So I can truthfully answer both of you: Been there done that.

road kill
07-25-2009, 09:42 AM
Not all black people are like Gates. Not the ones I work with anyway. I feel bad for hard-working folks who are trying to break out of stereotypes, and then this type of thing sets them back 20+ years.

I thought Obama may be different. Some of his speeches to black audiences rang true with me...like "get off yer duffs and be FATHERS to your kids" and "stay in school and get a job" All good advice. But this episode is very disappointing. I'm sure polls show he was losing support in that community, maybe this was his way of energizing his base.

I said "people like Gates."

You said "black people."

Please note the thread title.
It's what you have just done.

subroc
07-25-2009, 10:26 AM
If anyone thinks that they're upset at Gates for what he did, Imagine being black for a moment. Doing the same job you do, raising a family to be hard working and putting race cards behind you and moving on to being a good, outstanding citizen, who even competes in FTs with a lab.....

Then hearing this...and having to put up with all the race-baiting comments at work, and having people shoot you glares.....

Point is, if I were black, I'd REALLY be pissed at Gates, like non of us even can imagine!!!

(if I were Jesse or Sharpton, I'd be thrilled, b/c this equals more inane rants on CNN and rallies, and $$$) That's what I suspect this is all about anyway.



There it is, you know, that left wing canard, America is racist.

We have elected a black man as president. Under the Bush administration, the face of the nation, to the rest of the world, as Secretary of State was Condoleezza Rice and Colin Powell, both black. We have blacks in both houses of congress. We have blacks representing us on the supreme court, although I expect many on the left donít really consider him black because, you know, all good blacks must follow the left wing party line. Black men and woma represent us in international sports events every day with full support of the nation. In many cases we place blacks athletes at the pinnacle of our sports as heros.

My contention is we are not a racist nation, if anything as a nation we have righted that wrong to the satisfaction of any right thinking person.

Are there racists in the United States? Sure. There are both black and white racist, but it is not a systemic problem. It is a personal view of some individuals within our society.

So what did we learn through this event or exercise? We learned that Gates see things through his racist lens and we now see that obama does as well.

Franco
07-25-2009, 10:27 AM
Amazing how Obama and his handlers are trying to burry this with; Lets all get together for a cold one at the White House!

The correct action for Obama is to apologize to the officer involved, fess up to the fact he Omama was the stupid one and then he should state that Gates was out of control by verbally abusing an office in the line of duty.

Bob Gutermuth
07-25-2009, 12:36 PM
Osama fess up and admit he was wrong? AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN

twall
07-25-2009, 03:38 PM
Osama fess up and admit he was wrong? AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN

Or, how about the illustrious professor??

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE56O1O420090725

It appears that he is humbling himself to go to the White House to have a beer with a cop from the town he lives and works in. I wonder whose dime is paying for all of the travel and beer?

After spending too many years in academia myself I can attest to the fact that the intellectual elite believe they are above us "common" folks. They believe their puspose is to "enlighten" us, if that is possible.

Tom

john fallon
07-25-2009, 04:26 PM
Is there a link to what the Professor called the Officer ?
It must be pretty much over the top if the officer is contemplating a law suit.

john

dnf777
07-25-2009, 04:31 PM
Shoot, he could strangle a live puppy on TV and wouldn't lose the support of "that community."

The latest polls show that he is. He's lost among democrats, white and black.

I said "people like Gates."

You said "black people."

Please note the thread title.
It's what you have just done.

That's really parsing words. I was not implying you generalized to all black people, by any stretch of the imagination. If that's how you took it, my apologies. My only point was that there are lots of good folks of color out there who are MORE pissed at him than you or I.


[COLOR=black] There it is, you know, that left wing canard, America is racist.

I hope that wasn't to put words in my mouth. Maybe I took that the wrong way. I lived in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, and let me tell you, compared to them (our largest recipient of exported American dollars) we are more diverse and accepting of color than a jar of jelly beans. We cannot deny that in our HISTORY we had racist policies, but that was years ago, and I make no apologies for slavery, Indian relocation, etc. I was born in 1968, not 1768, and in my lifetime, I see blacks and people of other colors given MORE than their fair chance at success and the American dream.

road kill
07-25-2009, 04:55 PM
No he will not.
He is an "Elitest" that is above that kind of thing!!

In regard to an apology, see above!!

subroc
07-25-2009, 05:28 PM
...Then hearing this...and having to put up with all the race-baiting comments at work, and having people shoot you glares....

I am not putting words in your mouth, I am pointing out the implied meaning of your post.

The implication is that racist America is including all blacks in any event or episode that any black is involved in.

I don't think this event reflects in any way on any black man or woman other than Gates and obama.

Blackstone
07-25-2009, 09:46 PM
I agree with you that racism in this country is rampant. But like the 800 lb. gorilla sitting in the middle of the room, the racism that's rampant is black racism. Whites proved in the last election that they can and will vote for a black man. Blacks, on the other hand, went nearly 100 percent for the black candidate.

Donít you think this is painting black people with a pretty broad brush? Without a doubt, the overwhelming majority of black voters voted for Obama. However, you seem think that they all voted for him solely on the basis of race, and were not intelligent enough to vote for him because they felt he best represented their position on the issues that were important to them. Of Obama had been he Republican candidate, and espoused the same rhetoric as McCann, do you think they would have voted for him in such numbers? I doubt it. Also, historically, blacks have overwhelmingly voted for the Democratic candidate, and in case you hadnít notice. Itís not like they suddenly switched parties to vote for Obama.

While Iím sure some blacks voted for Obama just because he is black, there were also whites that refused to vote for him for the same reason. I personally heard and read comments made to that effect. When Obama first announced his plans to run for the Presidency, AOL conducted an on-line poll, and asked one simple questions; ďWould you not vote for Obama because he is black?Ē Unfortunately, about 16% of those that responded said they would not. I realize the AOL poll was not very scientific, but it did reflect the thinking of a portion of white Americans. And, those were only the ones that responded to the poll, and were willing to admit their bigotry publically. There were also some very racially disparaging comments made about blacks in general by some of those that responded negatively. Apparently, there is more than one 800 lb. gorilla in the room!

Certainly, a lot of whites voted for Obama. However, I wonder if there hadnít been significant dissatisfaction with the economy and the general direction the then current Republican leadership was taking the country, would he still have been elected?

So, to say that it is just black racism that is rampant is simply not true. The truth is, there is plenty of racism on both sides to go around. Thatís the thing about hatred, itís an equal opportunity evil.

road kill
07-26-2009, 07:03 AM
Donít you think this is painting black people with a pretty broad brush? Without a doubt, the overwhelming majority of black voters voted for Obama. However, you seem think that they all voted for him solely on the basis of race, and were not intelligent enough to vote for him because they felt he best represented their position on the issues that were important to them. Of Obama had been he Republican candidate, and espoused the same rhetoric as McCann, do you think they would have voted for him in such numbers? I doubt it. Also, historically, blacks have overwhelmingly voted for the Democratic candidate, and in case you hadnít notice. Itís not like they suddenly switched parties to vote for Obama.

While Iím sure some blacks voted for Obama just because he is black, there were also whites that refused to vote for him for the same reason. I personally heard and read comments made to that effect. When Obama first announced his plans to run for the Presidency, AOL conducted an on-line poll, and asked one simple questions; ďWould you not vote for Obama because he is black?Ē Unfortunately, about 16% of those that responded said they would not. I realize the AOL poll was not very scientific, but it did reflect the thinking of a portion of white Americans. And, those were only the ones that responded to the poll, and were willing to admit their bigotry publically. There were also some very racially disparaging comments made about blacks in general by some of those that responded negatively. Apparently, there is more than one 800 lb. gorilla in the room!

Certainly, a lot of whites voted for Obama. However, I wonder if there hadnít been significant dissatisfaction with the economy and the general direction the then current Republican leadership was taking the country, would he still have been elected?

So, to say that it is just black racism that is rampant is simply not true. The truth is, there is plenty of racism on both sides to go around. Thatís the thing about hatred, itís an equal opportunity evil.

Colin Powell voted for Obama and made no secret of the reason.
I saw`him say it!

dnf777
07-26-2009, 07:34 AM
I am not putting words in your mouth, I am pointing out the implied meaning of your post.

The implication is that racist America is including all blacks in any event or episode that any black is involved in.

I don't think this event reflects in any way on any black man or woman other than Gates and obama.


Okay, I gotcha. There certainly is a component of that, no doubt.

Truth is, I think that the vast majority of Americans, black and white, are very accepting of diversity, and for the most part, have put racism into the history books, where it won't be forgotten, but it won't be relived daily.

Then there are the vocal fringe minority on BOTH sides, who strive to keep racism alive....either because they truly are racist, or they want to continue to make money and holler at rallies.

I choose the former, and try my best to ignore the latter.

Roger Perry
07-26-2009, 07:58 AM
Colin Powell voted for Obama and made no secret of the reason.
I saw`him say it!


Glad to know you are proficient at reading lips. :smile:

Blackstone
07-26-2009, 08:14 AM
Colin Powell voted for Obama and made no secret of the reason.
I saw`him say it!

I cannot say that you did not hear Colin Powell say that. It would be helpful if you could cite the interview or speech where he made that statement. I never heard him say anything like that.

Here is a link to the Meet The Press interview I saw when he Powell announced he was supporting, and voting for, Obama. In it, he cited several well thought out reasons why he chose Obama over McCain. None of them had to do with race. When Tom Brokaw pointed out that some were going to say Powell was endorsing Obama because he is black, Powell said he could have endorsed Obama a long time ago if that had been his only criteria for picking Obama. He went on to say it would be historic, and electrifying for America and the world should it happen. Perhaps you saw or heard something different.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2U63fXBlFo

But, even if Colin Powell did vote for Obama because he is black, Colin Powell does not speak for all black people. Every black person that voted for Obama had their own reasons.

road kill
07-26-2009, 08:27 AM
I cannot say that you did not hear Colin Powell say that. It would be helpful if you could cite the interview or speech where he made that statement. I never heard him say anything like that.

Here is a link to the Meet The Press interview I saw when he Powell announced he was supporting, and voting for, Obama. In it, he cited several well thought out reasons why he chose Obama over McCain. None of them had to do with race. When Tom Brokaw pointed out that some were going to say Powell was endorsing Obama because he is black, Powell said he could have endorsed Obama a long time ago if that had been his only criteria for picking Obama. He went on to say it would be historic, and electrifying for America and the world should it happen. Perhaps you saw or heard something different.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2U63fXBlFo

But, even if Colin Powell did vote for Obama because he is black, Colin Powell does not speak for all black people. Every black person that voted for Obama had their own reasons.

No, I cannot cite when & where I saw the clip.
I don't put much stock in any news format, especially the liar Tom Brokaw.

I saw a clip of Colin Powell stating he voted for Obama because he was black.
(as one of the reasons)

Roger, you can make personal insults to me all you want, doesn't matter at all.
I know what I saw and I was very dissapointed in Powell for the statement.
So, in the off chance it did occur as I state, then why didn't you see it??

Obama is the President of the United Staes of America, my country that I served and fought for.

I expect the President to be President for all people in America, not just the Rev Wrights and Professor Gates, but the Sgt Crowley's as well.

In regard to the "elitist attitude" the progressive's have, look at them on this board.
All of their posts smack of a self percieved elevated consciousness.
The rest of us just don't quite "get it" like they do.
Well guess what, some of us have every bit the education and life experiences they do.
And we have arrived where we are in life based on our experiences.
They are just as relevant as the progressives.
One tries to respect all peoples position, but when yours is disrespected back it becomes more difficult.

I know what I have lived through.
I know my struggle to get my education and raise my family.
It wasn't always easy or pretty.

I blame noone for my hardships, I make no excuses, it was just life and I lived it.

Why do some people always have to have someone to blame or an excuse?

stan b

Blackstone
07-26-2009, 09:17 AM
Roadkill,

In all fairness to you, I looked around on the internet trying find any video clips, news reports, articles, interviews, etc. that showed or quoted Colin Powell saying he was voting for Obama because he was black. I couldn’t find anything. I did find a lot of Republicans making that accusation, but none of them quoted Powell saying that. So, unless I’m presented with evidence to the contrary, I think I have to go with the interview Powell gave on Meet The Press when he announced his choice. I don’t know if Brokaw is a liar or not, but I don’t think he altered the interview.

road kill
07-26-2009, 09:45 AM
Roadkill,

In all fairness to you, I looked around on the internet trying find any video clips, news reports, articles, interviews, etc. that showed or quoted Colin Powell saying he was voting for Obama because he was black. I couldn’t find anything. I did find a lot of Republicans making that accusation, but none of them quoted Powell saying that. So, unless I’m presented with evidence to the contrary, I think I have to go with the interview Powell gave on Meet The Press when he announced his choice. I don’t know if Brokaw is a liar or not, but I don’t think he altered the interview.
No I don't thgink Brokaw altered that interveiw, but he is biased deeply to the left as evidenced by his appearances and contributions.
Another debate, another time.

And I will tell you if I saw it on a news channel it was Fox.
The only news I watch is Shepard Smith or Bill O'Reilly.
No, I don't watch Sean Hannity and I am not a Rush disciple (though I listen when I spend days on the road doing my cushy job)!

I don't have time, nor am i inclined to search it out for it would matter not.

Some progressive would come on and discredit me and Snope the peice.

And noone would change their minds as they have arrived at their position via their lifes experiences, I respect and understand that.

Point is, Obama should be President of the United Staes, all of us, not Just Rev Wright and Professor Gates.
I stand by that!!

stan b

Blackstone
07-26-2009, 10:51 AM
I think it was inappropriate for Obama to comment publically on the Gates issue. It was a local police matter that was resolved locally. If it had been clearly a racial issue that violated Gatesí Civil Rights, and was swept under the rug by local authorities, Obama could have had the Justice Dept. investigate. However, that doesnít appear to be the case (considering all charges were dropped). I think Obama realizes he put his foot in his mouth on this one.

I donít think there are enough facts available to determine what actually took place in Gatesí home. There are a lot of conflicting claims being made by Gates and the police. There are obviously 3 sides to this story: what Gates said happened . . . . what Sgt. Crowley said happened . . . . , and what actually happened.

tpaschal30
07-26-2009, 02:46 PM
I think it was inappropriate for Obama to comment publically on the Gates issue. It was a local police matter that was resolved locally. If it had been clearly a racial issue that violated Gatesí Civil Rights, and was swept under the rug by local authorities, Obama could have had the Justice Dept. investigate. However, that doesnít appear to be the case (considering all charges were dropped). I think Obama realizes he put his foot in his mouth on this one.

I donít think there are enough facts available to determine what actually took place in Gatesí home. There are a lot of conflicting claims being made by Gates and the police. There are obviously 3 sides to this story: what Gates said happened . . . . what Sgt. Crowley said happened . . . . , and what actually happened.

It does not matter what happened inside the house. The alleged violation and arrest happened outside the house with several witnesses.

subroc
07-26-2009, 03:10 PM
...I donít think there are enough facts available to determine what actually took place in Gatesí home. There are a lot of conflicting claims being made by Gates and the police...

I think there is enough information to determine what happened and what was said. What happened and what was said isn't really being disputed by either side.

Blackstone
07-26-2009, 06:12 PM
I think there is enough information to determine what happened and what was said. What happened and what was said isn't really being disputed by either side.

Gates still claims he did nothing to justify the officer arresting him. The police say otherwise. There in lies the dispute. I am not taking either side on this. I think you would have needed to hear the entire exchange between Gates and Crowley to know what actually happened. I saw a copy of the arrest report, but that is still only one side of the story.

subroc
07-26-2009, 06:51 PM
...I saw a copy of the arrest report, but that is still only one side of the story.

Gates does not dispute the events



Gates still claims he did nothing to justify the officer arresting him...

He claims his arrest was profileing. The police report gives the reason why he was arrested. Gates may not like the reason or believed the reason didn't rise to the level of cause for arrest but the report is clear and not disputed by Gates.

Gates also does not add anything to the exchange in the house that would indicate it was anything other than reported.

M&K's Retrievers
07-27-2009, 12:14 AM
I'll tell you what though. If it would get me a beer at the White House, Obama can go on TV any time and tell the whole world that I'm stupid.:p

I'd go provided Obama and Gates were not there..

badbullgator
07-27-2009, 08:03 AM
Gates does not dispute the events




He claims his arrest was profileing. The police report gives the reason why he was arrested. Gates may not like the reason or believed the reason didn't rise to the level of cause for arrest but the report is clear and not disputed by Gates.

Gates also does not add anything to the exchange in the house that would indicate it was anything other than reported.

My take
As in most cases where any black gets arrested, right or wrong, the first thing that happens is whitey is to blame. I donít think in this case the guy deserved to be arrested, but I donít know both sides of the story. The higher you profile the more you feel a wrong has been done. I can understand his point that it was his house and he had ID, but as far as the cop knows that still does not mean he actively lives there. For all the cop know he could have been involved in a messy divorce case and had come there to kill his wife or steal stuff from the home before any court settlement. There are lots of reasons to be suspicious of someone who has just broken into a home be they white or black. I am sure he was ticked off because it was his house, but cooperation and patients will get you out of the handcuffs and back in your house faster than being uppity with the officer will. Keep in mind, and may Bob will back it up, the job of the officer is not to judge guilt but to enforce the law. The court does the judging.
I had a very similar situation happen to me a number of years ago. I got to my office/warehouse one morning and found I had taken my wifeís keys and did not have the keys to the shop. I had broken into a window when the police showed up. Even though I had ID and business cards saying it was my business I was still help until my partner could show up and verify I was in fact supposed to be there. I was placed in the back of a squad car and had to wait for about 45 minutes. What I did not do was throw a big fit about it and I cooperated with the police. As soon as it was resolved I was let go. Now, had I made and issue I would have been handcuffed and taken down town, but I realized the poípo were just doing their jobs and trying to protect me actually. There are few criminals in jail that will admit their guilt and I would not want the job of a cop trying to figure out who is lying (most) and who is not..

subroc
07-28-2009, 06:39 PM
http://iowahawk.typepad.com/iowahawk/2009/07/cambridge-police-profiling-still-a-grim-reality-for-harvard-faculty-assholes.html

A funny read.

BTW, I think obama is guilty of using the full power and might of his office to sway an outcome. The worst of American politics.

road kill
07-29-2009, 08:44 AM
It looks like the lefty's vision of a moderate agrees with ME!!

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2009/07/29/2009-07-29_colin_powell_on_gates_you_dont_argue_with_cops. html

I especially like this quote;

"When you're faced with an officer trying to do his job and get to the bottom of something, this is not the time to get in an argument with him," Powell told CNN's "Larry King Live."

"I was taught that as a child. You don't argue with a police officer."



BOO RAH!!

stan b

YardleyLabs
07-29-2009, 09:31 AM
It looks like the lefty's vision of a moderate agrees with ME!!

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2009/07/29/2009-07-29_colin_powell_on_gates_you_dont_argue_with_cops. html

I especially like this quote;

"When you're faced with an officer trying to do his job and get to the bottom of something, this is not the time to get in an argument with him," Powell told CNN's "Larry King Live."

"I was taught that as a child. You don't argue with a police officer."



BOO RAH!!

stan b

I liked this one from the same interview:

"But he [Powell] also questioned why Gates, a frail 58-year-old who is one of the nation's most prominent black intellectuals, was handcuffed and hauled downtown after it was clear he hadn't done anything. "I would have thought at that point some adult supervision would have stepped in and said, 'Okay, look, it is his house. Come on, let's not take this any further. Take the handcuffs off,'" Powell said."


In the case that I was involved with and described early in this thread, I was not prepared to let the officer in my house. I did not trust him and was unwilling to unlock my front door. The officer explained very clearly why he was there and why it was important for him to be able to verify who I was and be sure that I and my family were not under any form of restraint. I brought my family to the door and provided my drivers license. The police never entered my house and we were all happy. Had the police officer attempted to enter my house without permission I might well have attempted to resist. Once they were able to verify that the call was not valid, they withdrew quickly and politely. They apologized for the disturbance and I thanked them for having come.

I wonder if Crowley was equally careful and polite. Personally, I would not trust anyone who arrived unexpectedly at my doorstep late at night and demanded to be let in. The fact that the individual had a badge and was wearing a uniform would not allay my fears without a good explanation and preferably a couple more marked cars arriving as well. Hopefully I would be smart enough not to yell at the alleged officer. Hopefully, if he were a real officer, he would understand my discomfort and work hard to gain my trust or at least to withdraw quickly once it was clear there was no crime in progress.

road kill
07-29-2009, 09:36 AM
I liked this one from the same interview:

"But he [Powell] also questioned why Gates, a frail 58-year-old who is one of the nation's most prominent black intellectuals, was handcuffed and hauled downtown after it was clear he hadn't done anything. "I would have thought at that point some adult supervision would have stepped in and said, 'Okay, look, it is his house. Come on, let's not take this any further. Take the handcuffs off,'" Powell said."


In the case that I was involved with and described early in this thread, I was not prepared to let the officer in my house. I did not trust him and was unwilling to unlock my front door. The officer explained very clearly why he was there and why it was important for him to be able to verify who I was and be sure that I and my family were not under any form of restraint. I brought my family to the door and provided my drivers license. The police never entered my house and we were all happy. Had the police officer attempted to enter my house without permission I might well have attempted to resist. Once they were able to verify that the call was not valid, they withdrew quickly and politely. They apologized for the disturbance and I thanked them for having come.

I wonder if Crowley was equally careful and polite. Personally, I would not trust anyone who arrived unexpectedly at my doorstep late at night and demanded to be let in. The fact that the individual had a badge and was wearing a uniform would not allay my fears without a good explanation and preferably a couple more marked cars arriving as well. Hopefully I would be smart enough not to yell at the alleged officer. Hopefully, if he were a real officer, he would understand my discomfort and work hard to gain my trust or at least to withdraw quickly once it was clear there was no crime in progress.



The Officer was responding to a 911 call.

It wasn't a social visit.

WaterDogRem
07-29-2009, 10:23 AM
I wonder if Crowley was equally careful and polite. Personally, I would not trust anyone who arrived unexpectedly at my doorstep late at night and demanded to be let in. The fact that the individual had a badge and was wearing a uniform would not allay my fears without a good explanation and preferably a couple more marked cars arriving as well. Hopefully I would be smart enough not to yell at the alleged officer. Hopefully, if he were a real officer, he would understand my discomfort and work hard to gain my trust or at least to withdraw quickly once it was clear there was no crime in progress.

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From the police report obviously Gates was not equally careful and polite, as he refused to step outside (which I'm fine with), but then the next words out of his mouth were "why, because I'm a black man in America"

Far as the POTUS, he was wrong from the beginning. This incident just shows again Husseinís true beliefs, even if his lovers don't want to see it. We can add Gates to Obomo's big list of close friend left extremist, even though Obomo isn't one, right?? Lol

WRL
07-29-2009, 10:41 AM
A couple of points here:

1) The only one that for SURE acted "stupidly" was Obama. Shut up and tend to Nat'l Business. By doing what he did, he exacerbated an already uncomfortable and unfortunate situation.

2) If you have a run in with police, whether it be right or wrong, calmness and intelligence will win out every time. To get angry or lose your cool, is only going to turn out bad for you. Gates WAY over reacted. What he should of said was "Wow! I appreciate my neighbors looking out for my house. Its very late, is there something I can get you gentleman (police) to prove I live here and that I am who I say I am."

3) The police are between a rock and a hard place. Can you IMAGINE the hubba ballou that would have ensued had they met Gates at his door and said, "Great. Glad there all is well." and then LEFT only to find out later that Gates had been killed startling some burglars in his house?

This is a no win situation for the police once the call was made.

WRL

Bob Gutermuth
07-29-2009, 10:56 AM
Gates let his mouth get in gear before he engaged his brain, thereby flunking the attitude test and becoming guilty of the crime Contempt of Cop. He thought he was a victim of crime committed by the police.

Gerry Clinchy
07-29-2009, 11:32 AM
Personally, I would not trust anyone who arrived unexpectedly at my doorstep late at night and demanded to be let in. The fact that the individual had a badge and was wearing a uniform would not allay my fears without a good explanation and preferably a couple more marked cars arriving as well.


I read that police report a couple of days ago, but I thought the "disorderly conduct" occurred after the officer had asked Gates to step outside the home.

All of this is speculation. We do not know that Crowley wasn't polite in his requests. Nor do we know that he was impolite. There does seem to be evidence that Gates did not handle the encounter as calmly as Jeff and WRL did theirs.

I believe that there was potential for the situation to be blown out of proportion even before BHO's comment. The fact that BHO would comment on it ... I just hope he uses better judgment when he's involved in international negotiations on behalf of the U.S.

YardleyLabs
07-29-2009, 11:47 AM
Gates let his mouth get in gear before he engaged his brain, thereby flunking the attitude test and becoming guilty of the crime Contempt of Cop. He thought he was a victim of crime committed by the police.
Bob, I suspect you are exactly right. That may be rude and stupid, but is it illegal?

Hoosier
07-29-2009, 12:01 PM
Bob, I suspect you are exactly right. That may be rude and stupid, but is it illegal?

In most states disorderly conduct is illegal. I should know half my family has been arrested for that one, and haven't been near as disorderly as Gates was.

Bob Gutermuth
07-29-2009, 12:23 PM
I don't know about the law in the Peoples Republic of Mass.

YardleyLabs
07-29-2009, 12:41 PM
In most states disorderly conduct is illegal. I should know half my family has been arrested for that one, and haven't been near as disorderly as Gates was.
The following is actually from the web site of a defense attorney in Massachusetts:


"Under Massachusetts law, if you cause a disturbance which creates a public hazard, and serves no legitimate purpose, you can be charged with a disorderly person offense, also known as disorderly conduct.

A "disorderly person" is defined as one who:

with purpose to cause public inconvenience, annoyance or alarm, or
recklessly creates a risk thereof
engages in fighting or threatening, violent or tumultuous behavior, or
creates a hazard or physically offensive condition by any act which serves no legitimate purpose.
If you are convicted of disorderly conduct in MA, it is punishable by up to 6 months in jail.

Disturbing the peace also falls under Chapter 272, with similar penalties. Some Massachusetts towns also have specific ordinances relating to disturbing the peace.
Disorderly Conduct Legal Defense Strategies


A disorderly conduct arrest is usually a discretionary decision by a police officer. If we can show that the officer may have been mistaken and overestimated any potential disorder created, we can get the case dismissed. The prosecution must establish beyond a reasonable doubt that your action created a dangerous situation, and served no legitimate purpose.

Being angry and yelling at someone, even if that person is a police officer, is not sufficient cause to sustain a disorderly conduct charge. You are absolutely permitted to express yourself and your first amendment rights to free speech."

From the Massachusetts District Attorneys Association:

57 Mass. App. Ct. 579 (March 14, 2003)

"Police presence in and of itself does not by itself turn an otherwise purely private outburst into disorderly conduct.
The defendant was charged with disorderly conduct for yelling and pacing on private property that was set back from the road in a secluded area. There was no one around at the time except police officers. While the statute requires that the disturbance be such that it had or was likely to have an impact upon people in an area accessible to the public, the presence of police officers alone will not suffice to prove the public element.
In reaching its decision, the Court noted that the rationale behind criminalizing disorderly conduct rests on the belief that a disorderly person can provoke violence in others. Given that an inherent part of police work involves being in the presence of distraught individuals, and given that police officers are trained to maintain order, the Court concluded that police should be the least likely to be provoked. Therefore, police presence alone does not satisfy the public element."

As I understand it, in this case the disturbance happened inside of Gates' own house. The question remains, why did this situation not simply end once it was determined that Gates was in his own home and not a victim of a break in?

WaterDogRem
07-29-2009, 12:57 PM
As I understand it, in this case the disturbance happened inside of Gates' own house. The question remains, why did this situation not simply end once it was determined that Gates was in his own home and not a victim of a break in?


Guess you haven't read the police report. The disorderly conduct happened outside the house with numerous witnesses. You can even read what the minority cops on the scene reported about the incident. Gates was yelling he would not give him information as to who he was and calling the cop a racist.

The incident didn't end because Gates was being the racist aggressor, which Obomo obviously supported, since it was his buddy Gates.

YardleyLabs
07-29-2009, 01:32 PM
Guess you haven't read the police report. The disorderly conduct happened outside the house with numerous witnesses. You can even read what the minority cops on the scene reported about the incident. Gates was yelling he would not give him information as to who he was and calling the cop a racist.

The incident didn't end because Gates was being the racist aggressor, which Obomo obviously supported, since it was his buddy Gates.
You are correct that it occurred outside. The report indicates that Gates provided his ID while in the house and that the officer was preparing to leave. At that point, Gates requested the officer's ID and the officer asked him to come out of the house. When Gates was out of the house and in a "public" location (his stoop), he yelled again accusing the officer of racial bias. The officer warned him that he was becoming disorderly and pulled out his handcuffs. Gates yelled again and the officer arrested him. Once again, the entire matter had been resolved to the officer's satisfaction while they were still in the house (according to the police report). Gates was very unhappy and believed the officer had acted inappropriately. The officer asked him to come outside to a public place and then arrested him for continuing to yell in a public place.

You say Gates was being a racist aggressor. Did he attack or physically threaten the officer? Calling Gates racist because he believe the officer was racist is no better than my calling you racist because you called Gates racist. The are equally true or false.

Obama stated that the Department acted stupidly in arresting Gates, cuffing him, and taking him downtown. I believe that was an inappropriate thing for the President to say in his capacity as President. As it happens, I also think it was an accurate observation, not a racist one. I would say the same thing if the police cuffed and arrested a little old white lady with a nasty temper under similar circumstances.

EDIT: By the way, I am not convinced that a little old white lady, however foul her temper, would have been arrested in the same circumstances.

road kill
07-29-2009, 01:39 PM
You are correct that it occurred outside. The report indicates that Gates provided his ID while in the house and that the officer was preparing to leave. At that point, Gates requested the officer's ID and the officer asked him to come out of the house. When Gates was out of the house and in a "public" location (his stoop), he yelled again accusing the officer of racial bias. The officer warned him that he was becoming disorderly and pulled out his handcuffs. Gates yelled again and the officer arrested him. Once again, the entire matter had been resolved to the officer's satisfaction while they were still in the house (according to the police report). Gates was very unhappy and believed the officer had acted inappropriately. The officer asked him to come outside to a public place and then arrested him for continuing to yell in a public place.

You say Gates was being a racist aggressor. Did he attack or physically threaten the officer? Calling Gates racist because he believe the officer was racist is no better than my calling you racist because you called Gates racist. The are equally true or false.

Obama stated that the Department acted stupidly in arresting Gates, cuffing him, and taking him downtown. I believe that was an inappropriate thing for the President to say in his capacity as President. As it happens, I also think it was an accurate observation, not a racist one. I would say the same thing if the police cuffed and arrested a little old white lady with a nasty temper under similar circumstances.

EDIT: By the way, I am not convinced that a little old white lady, however foul her temper, would have been arrested in the same circumstances.

Yes he did, verbally!!

WaterDogRem
07-29-2009, 01:57 PM
You say Gates was being a racist aggressor. Did he attack or physically threaten the officer? Calling Gates racist because he believe the officer was racist is no better than my calling you racist because you called Gates racist. The are equally true or false.

Obama stated that the Department acted stupidly in arresting Gates, cuffing him, and taking him downtown. I believe that was an inappropriate thing for the President to say in his capacity as President. As it happens, I also think it was an accurate observation, not a racist one. I would say the same thing if the police cuffed and arrested a little old white lady with a nasty temper under similar circumstances.

EDIT: By the way, I am not convinced that a little old white lady, however foul her temper, would have been arrested in the same circumstances.

In my view and just guessing but in the officer's view too, Gates was attacking him by loudly proclaiming the officer as a racist to the group of people that had gathered outside, as to incite a public outrage (which could directly concern the safety of the officers and public). The arrest was to extinguish the incident from escalating further.

Since you think it was accurate that the arrest was stupid, I wonder what you would think if the crowd became outraged, the situation escalated and the officers were attacked?

By your account, I guess you're a racist too, since you're calling me one for calling Gates one. My view of Gates as a racist are based on his actions, comments, and interviews of former colleges I've heard (hear-say).

Gerry Clinchy
07-29-2009, 02:10 PM
When Mr. Gates began to ask for the officer's badge #, etc., is it not possible that the officer was smart to ask Gates to step outside? If Gates were to pursue any charges against the officer, it would be smarter to have any further exchange take place outside the house in the presence of witnesses ... rather than add further speculation to what might have occurred between the two of them without witnesses present.

In the end, the event was ruled more by adrenalin than reason. Even though both parties may have acted within their "rights", it is probably appropriate that the disorderly charges were dropped. The police have more important things to do than continue to expend time and energy on the incident. Hopefully, Mr. Gates also has better things to do with his time.

I'm wondering when someone will bring up the fact that O decided to get them all together "over a beer" :-) Why not lunch? Why not coffee? Is this some PR for the benefits of alcohol use to smooth over one's problems? Too bad the Taliban are devout Muslims :-)

Hoosier
07-29-2009, 02:31 PM
I wasn't there, but if Gates body language was threatening to the officer, along with his mouth that should be enough for an arrest. Not all communication is verbal. As a matter of fact most communication is non-verbal.

WaterDogRem
07-29-2009, 02:34 PM
I'm wondering when someone will bring up the fact that O decided to get them all together "over a beer" :-) Why not lunch? Why not coffee? Is this some PR for the benefits of alcohol use to smooth over one's problems? Too bad the Taliban are devout Muslims :-)

Won't we have to pay more to drink beer, as it could be unhealthy, according to Obomo's comments about his health care plan and paying more for unhealthy decisions? But of course he and his other elitist don't care as they won't be on that health care plan.

dnf777
07-29-2009, 03:30 PM
Won't we have to pay more to drink beer, as it could be unhealthy, according to Obomo's comments about his health care plan and paying more for unhealthy decisions? But of course he and his other elitist don't care as they won't be on that health care plan.

The male physicians health survey in Europe showed that those who consumed alcohol, had less heart disease and less premature deaths from heart disease than those who didn't. It didn't quantify the amount, left that up to us I suppose?

Steve Amrein
07-29-2009, 03:45 PM
Should have tased him and put him in the car. Anyone else would have been cuffed and stuffed. They treated him with kid gloves. He should thank the police for being so kind to him and apologize for being a Allhose.

Gun_Dog2002
07-29-2009, 04:50 PM
In this country you do not have to answer any questions posed by an officer other than to show proof of identity. The cops didn't "bust down his door" they were responding to a B&E. Knocking on the door and asking questions to confirm his identity to make sure this wasn't a B&E is fine. Had Gates handed them his identification and then thanked them for doing their jobs none of this would have happened. Gates seems to have forgotten that they were their to protect his house, his belongings and potentially him and his family. Instead Gates has found a way to gain national attention by playing the race card and screaming police abuse, when he clearly was the instigator of the event. While I have no desire to feed cops information that will incriminate me, I also understand that not obeying them will result in my arrest and resisting could result in me getting my ass kicked....

Apparently I'm not alone in this thinking
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/07/28/colin_powell_on_gates_you_dont_argue_with_a_police _officer.html

/Paul

road kill
07-29-2009, 04:56 PM
In this country you do not have to answer any questions posed by an officer other than to show proof of identity. The cops didn't "bust down his door" they were responding to a B&E. Knocking on the door and asking questions to confirm his identity to make sure this wasn't a B&E is fine. Had Gates handed them his identification and then thanked them for doing their jobs none of this would have happened. Gates seems to have forgotten that they were their to protect his house, his belongings and potentially him and his family. Instead Gates has found a way to gain national attention by playing the race card and screaming police abuse, when he clearly was the instigator of the event. While I have no desire to feed cops information that will incriminate me, I also understand that not obeying them will result in my arrest and resisting could result in me getting my ass kicked....

Apparently I'm not alone in this thinking
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/07/28/colin_powell_on_gates_you_dont_argue_with_a_police _officer.html

/Paul

1 more thing, in his arena he is a hero!!

subroc
07-29-2009, 05:02 PM
...EDIT: By the way, I am not convinced that a little old white lady, however foul her temper, would have been arrested in the same circumstances.

You are fully indoctrinated into the United States is a racist nation belief. I am not suprised.

An example:

http://www.fastclips.com/videos/767EM280Qw12

YardleyLabs
07-29-2009, 05:09 PM
In my view and just guessing but in the officer's view too, Gates was attacking him by loudly proclaiming the officer as a racist to the group of people that had gathered outside, as to incite a public outrage (which could directly concern the safety of the officers and public). The arrest was to extinguish the incident from escalating further.

Since you think it was accurate that the arrest was stupid, I wonder what you would think if the crowd became outraged, the situation escalated and the officers were attacked?

By your account, I guess you're a racist too, since you're calling me one for calling Gates one. My view of Gates as a racist are based on his actions, comments, and interviews of former colleges I've heard (hear-say).
It's funny how that goes round and round. Racism dominated every aspect of this country for literally hundreds of years. It is not surprising to see push back.

When I was in third grade, I lived in a town and state where our schools were legally segregated and everything else was segregated by practice if not by law. My church, which was active in civil rights, organized an event where our Sunday school classes met at a community center in Gamboling Valley -- the area by the City dump where blacks were permitted to live. Every child (or parent) made a bag lunch as did every participating black child from the black community. When we entered the school gym, all lunches were placed on a large table. Later on, every kid went to the table to take a lunch that was not the one they brought.

Obviously, the point was that no one would know what color hands made the food we were eating. I went to pick up a lunch from the pile and a young black girl told me to get my hands off of her lunch. Was her reaction based on my color? Absolutely. You could say she was racist.

Personally, I think she was pushing back in a healthy way against a society that victimized her every single day of her life including in the holier than thou symbolism of our little luncheon. While it might have been unusual for the young black children to eat food made by whites, the reverse was never true. Most of those kids' mothers worked as maids in white households, making food for the white children while their own children fended for themselves.

For those that have gone through such experiences, we are not talking ancient history. Racial and ethnic prejudice has been a factor in every company I have worked in since I graduated from college in 1971 up to and including the company I purchased in 1996. The ultimate insult were situations where the excuse for not hiring a black was that it would be harder to fire the person if things didn't work out because of the possibility of being sued for discrimination. Blacks have not been the only victims. Women, Asians and Hispanics were also affected. Women made good employees in "staff" roles, but our clients wouldn't accept them as partners. It took years and some extraordinarily strong women to kill that one. Our clients won't accept Indians because they talk funny. That one tended to die out when the language our clients wanted was UNIX or a relational database, but reared its head again anytime management responsibilities were involved.

I will believe we are in a post prejudice society when race, ethnicity, gender, etc. are not significant predictors of educational and economic achievement. Until then discrimination will remain an issue for all of us.

Franco
07-29-2009, 05:22 PM
I will believe we are in a post prejudice society when race, ethnicity, gender, etc. are not significant predictors of educational and economic achievement. Until then discrimination will remain an issue for all of us.

Racism is not only alive but, thrives in the black community, Hispanic community, Islamic community; they for the most part hate white American culture. Racism also live in the white community and will be kept alive because of the others!

Utopia will never exist.

Professor Gates in my book is no different than Rev Wright, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and a whole bunch of Affirmative Action minorites that think they are owed something.

WaterDogRem
07-29-2009, 05:31 PM
When I was in third grade, I lived in a town and state where our schools were legally segregated and everything else was segregated by practice if not by law. My church, which was active in civil rights, organized an event where our Sunday school classes met at a community center in Gamboling Valley -- the area by the City dump where blacks were permitted to live. Every child (or parent) made a bag lunch as did every participating black child from the black community. When we entered the school gym, all lunches were placed on a large table. Later on, every kid went to the table to take a lunch that was not the one they brought.

Obviously, the point was that no one would know what color hands made the food we were eating. I went to pick up a lunch from the pile and a young black girl told me to get my hands off of her lunch. Was her reaction based on my color? Absolutely. You could say she was racist.

Personally, I think she was pushing back in a healthy way against a society that victimized her every single day of her life including in the holier than thou symbolism of our little luncheon. While it might have been unusual for the young black children to eat food made by whites, the reverse was never true. Most of those kids' mothers worked as maids in white households, making food for the white children while their own children fended for themselves.

For those that have gone through such experiences, we are not talking ancient history. Racial and ethnic prejudice has been a factor in every company I have worked in since I graduated from college in 1971 up to and including the company I purchased in 1996. The ultimate insult were situations where the excuse for not hiring a black was that it would be harder to fire the person if things didn't work out because of the possibility of being sued for discrimination. Blacks have not been the only victims. Women, Asians and Hispanics were also affected. Women made good employees in "staff" roles, but our clients wouldn't accept them as partners. It took years and some extraordinarily strong women to kill that one. Our clients won't accept Indians because they talk funny. That one tended to die out when the language our clients wanted was UNIX or a relational database, but reared its head again anytime management responsibilities were involved.

I will believe we are in a post prejudice society when race, ethnicity, gender, etc. are not significant predictors of educational and economic achievement. Until then discrimination will remain an issue for all of us.

Or you could say she just wanted her lunch, as I would have thought.

So in the third grade you thought it was a healthy expression against society. You were very mature at your young age.

As I grew up in Detroit, I saw plenty of wrong things involving race (every which way). And what I learned early in life and still hold on to, is that skin color is pointless, it's the person's actions/choices/attitude/etc. that tell me how to judge a person.

YardleyLabs
07-29-2009, 05:41 PM
Racism is not only alive but, thrives in the black community, Hispanic community, Islamic community; they for the most part hate white American culture. Racism also live in the white community and will be kept alive because of the others!

Utopia will never exist.

Professor Gates in my book is no different than Rev Wright, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and a whole bunch of Affirmative Action minorites that think they are owed something.
Why would American culture be defined by its color?

I've lived in Italian American communities that loved their Italian heritage. It is celebrated in parades, in politics and voting, in Italian colors and flags being flown especially on special Italian holidays. Does that mean they hate American culture? I believe they are an integral part of American culture.

In New York I worked directly with members of the hasidic communities (Think Amish like in their insularity but Jewish). They would never intermarry with non-hasidim. All their children attended hasidic schools or at least hasidic programs after school. Their communities raise money to finance new hasidic businesses and to help new hasidic couples to get started. They also finance the purchase of buildings within their neighborhoods to promote their hasidic community. Do they hate American culture? No, they love their own culture and are part of American culture.

The racism is in thinking that somehow there is one American culture and that the others are somehow foreign or less acceptable. Preserving our different regional, ethnic, religious, linguistic, and even racial heritages is not racist. What is racist is attempting to enforce the dominance of any one of those heritages over the others or allowing the powers of the state to be used to enforce the boundaries between those different heritages.

YardleyLabs
07-29-2009, 05:48 PM
Or you could say she just wanted her lunch, as I would have thought.

So in the third grade you thought it was a healthy expression against society. You were very mature at your young age.

As I grew up in Detroit, I saw plenty of wrong things involving race (every which way). And what I learned early in life and still hold on to, is that skin color is pointless, it's the person's actions/choices/attitude/etc. that tell me how to judge a person.
Her statement to me was actually "Get away from my lunch white boy." while she was picking up another bag for herself. I was horrified and ended up taking no lunch at all. Fortunately, Cecelia Owen's lunch contained two sandwihes and she shared with me, becoming my next girlfriend on the spot.

I didn't begin to gain any better understanding for some time. However, watching a man try to pistol whip my mother while calling her a "N...r lover", having two of my own teeth knocked out by boys saying the same to me, and various other pleasurable and less pleasurable experiences over the next several years helped me to understand a little more about where she was coming from.

With respect to the lesson you learned, I hope that is what we all learn in the end.

Franco
07-29-2009, 08:21 PM
Why would American culture be defined by its color?

I've lived in Italian American communities that loved their Italian heritage. It is celebrated in parades, in politics and voting, in Italian colors and flags being flown especially on special Italian holidays. Does that mean they hate American culture? I believe they are an integral part of American culture.

In New York I worked directly with members of the hasidic communities (Think Amish like in their insularity but Jewish). They would never intermarry with non-hasidim. All their children attended hasidic schools or at least hasidic programs after school. Their communities raise money to finance new hasidic businesses and to help new hasidic couples to get started. They also finance the purchase of buildings within their neighborhoods to promote their hasidic community. Do they hate American culture? No, they love their own culture and are part of American culture.

The racism is in thinking that somehow there is one American culture and that the others are somehow foreign or less acceptable. Preserving our different regional, ethnic, religious, linguistic, and even racial heritages is not racist. What is racist is attempting to enforce the dominance of any one of those heritages over the others or allowing the powers of the state to be used to enforce the boundaries between those different heritages.

Jeff, sorry but your reply to what you quated of my post has nothing to do with what I wrote! Please read what I wrote again.

I said;Racism is not only alive but, thrives in the black community, Hispanic community, Islamic community; they for the most part hate white American culture. Racism also lives in the white community and will be kept alive because of the others!

Utopia will never exist.

Professor Gates in my book is no different than Rev Wright, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and a whole bunch of Affirmative Action minorites that think they are owed something. end of my quote

I highlighted in red the part I think you were trying to address. BTW, I am not a one-worlder.

JDogger
07-29-2009, 11:21 PM
Don't confuse racism with being prejudicial. We're all prejudcial. When confronted by three large black men in an alley, or three large white men with tatoos, we are all governed by prejudice. We make an assumption based on preconcieved notions of the threat we are facing.
Prejudice may frequently be interpreted as racism but it is different..

JD

Hew
07-30-2009, 01:11 AM
Don't confuse racism with being prejudicial. We're all prejudcial. When confronted by three large black men in an alley, or three large white men with tatoos, we are all governed by prejudice. We make an assumption based on preconcieved notions of the threat we are facing.
Prejudice may frequently be interpreted as racism but it is different..
Exactly. I think it is an important distinction, too. Everybody is prejudiced. Everybody. Not everybody is racist, though.

dnf777
07-30-2009, 04:39 AM
Don't confuse racism with being prejudicial. We're all prejudcial. When confronted by three large black men in an alley, or three large white men with tatoos, we are all governed by prejudice. We make an assumption based on preconcieved notions of the threat we are facing.
Prejudice may frequently be interpreted as racism but it is different..

JD

Excellent point. Our past experiences shape our perceptions, or discriminations. Neither of those is necessarily racism though. I rescued a pup when I was a kid. Nice blue-tic hound, but did NOT like black people or men of any color wearing a hat. Was he racist or sexist, NO. He was conditioned by some a$$-hole who beat him.

Before anyone thinks cops are racist, should spend even just a day riding with them, responding to calls, and see if their perceptions of certain neighborhoods or stereotypes don't change. I realize they must remain professional though, but they are human, too.

YardleyLabs
07-30-2009, 05:40 AM
Jeff, sorry but your reply to what you quated of my post has nothing to do with what I wrote! Please read what I wrote again.

I said;Racism is not only alive but, thrives in the black community, Hispanic community, Islamic community; they for the most part hate white American culture. Racism also lives in the white community and will be kept alive because of the others!

Utopia will never exist.

Professor Gates in my book is no different than Rev Wright, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and a whole bunch of Affirmative Action minorites that think they are owed something. end of my quote

I highlighted in red the part I think you were trying to address. BTW, I am not a one-worlder.
Actually Franco, I thought I was replying very directly. I do not believe that the black, Hispanic and Islamic communities hate American culture. I believe that they do hate that part of American culture that tries to define American culture as white. Why, as I asked, do you define American culture by its color?

BTW, it never occurred to me that you might be a one-worlder.:D

Jay Dufour
07-30-2009, 06:21 AM
OK I was BS ing with two black cops out here,and asked them why when I go train @4:30 AM on the weekends,do I see them stopping traffic to allow the local bar patrons to exit the parking lot onto the highway.I mean at that time of the morning,after being there all night....wouldnt they all be an easy arrest ? They BOTH said its much easier to stop any car during the day with two or more ( used the N word) . Believe me ...they allude to the profiling too.By the way...The answer to the bar question was it was orders from the parish police jury and their boss.

Pete
07-30-2009, 08:28 AM
Don't confuse racism with being prejudicial. We're all prejudcial. When confronted by three large black men in an alley, or three large white men with tatoos, we are all governed by prejudice. We make an assumption based on preconcieved notions of the threat we are facing.
Prejudice may frequently be interpreted as racism but it is different

No we are not all governed by this

I am governed by the countanance on someones face. I could care less if they are white,, black or pocadotted.

Hew
07-30-2009, 08:30 AM
I rescued a pup when I was a kid. Nice blue-tic hound, but did NOT like black people or men of any color wearing a hat. Was he racist or sexist, NO. He was conditioned by some a$$-hole who beat him.
When I was a kid we had a Doberman that hated black people. I mean he'd go apeshat crazy to jump out of the car or climb over the fence at the mere sight of a black person, and he wasn't just putting on a show...he had some baaaad intentions. We didn't condition him to hate blacks (as far as I know). He was just a racist SOB. ;) Other than that flaw, he was a pretty good dog with a nice temperment.

Steve Amrein
07-30-2009, 08:34 AM
So the folks that think that gates' behavior is right or ok is using the same argument that uses bad behavior to excuse bad behavior. So then Mel Gibson was right in his outburst then. You cant have it both ways. Wrong behavior is wrong and has no color. I wonder what other ways in Gates past has he show his racist side ?

road kill
07-30-2009, 08:40 AM
So the folks that think that gates' behavior is right or ok is using the same argument that uses bad behavior to excuse bad behavior. So then Mel Gibson was right in his outburst then. You cant have it both ways. Wrong behavior is wrong and has no color. I wonder what other ways in Gates past has he show his racist side ?

According to someone that attended Harvard, he is notorious for such things.
His outburts of arrogant indignation are nothing new.
I saw a statement from him on a news website where he lamented about "Whitey" sitting in judgement of him.

"WHITEY??"


Also, the beer pong game today was actually request by the Police man, Crowley, not "The Obama."

Pete
07-30-2009, 08:49 AM
Actually Franco, I thought I was replying very directly. I do not believe that the black, Hispanic and Islamic communities hate American culture

Your kidding right Jeff.

There is more white hatred developing everyday in this country

Its evedent if you listen to the leaders that black people look up to.

I might ask. What is black culture.? If your from a major city it can be radio's taped to your head and funny walking ,talking punks. in hooded sweatshirts Just watch some of these talk shows

If your from a less concentrated area its normal people ,,,living like normal people only they have more or less melantine(sp) in the skin. American culture now can be defined in small geographic areas of a square mile or so.
There is no more straight across american culture.

I believe they are the reason for race problems in this country.
There would always be some racists from all colors but it would be low.
These basterds stir the pot whenever they can and they dont even know they are doing it.
Educated idiots are common in the spot light. I wont even comment on the islamic community. There is a difference from long time citizens and recent foriegners. I make the distinction because its relavent.

Most of the hispanics here where I live are pretty nice and courtious especially the kids, and the families are tight. Other than driving 20 miles under the speed limit and clogging traffic their pretty cool.

Pete

YardleyLabs
07-30-2009, 08:58 AM
I certainly know about bigots stirring the race pot. I watched Glenn Beck on FOX doing that just the other day.

And no, I was not kidding. I have limited contact with members of the Hispanic community, but I have daily contact with large numbers of blacks and regular contact with a significant number of Muslims, including members of my family. I do not believe that they hate American culture, defined inclusively, or whites. I also know that most of them experience discrimination based on their heritage on a regular basis.

Blackstone
07-30-2009, 09:01 AM
Racism is not only alive but, thrives in the black community, Hispanic community, Islamic community; they for the most part hate white American culture. Racism also live in the white community and will be kept alive because of the others!

Are you saying that continued racism by whites is because racism "thrives" among some minorities? I hope I am misinterpreting what you wrote. If not, that has to be one of the most absurd things I have ever heard!

road kill
07-30-2009, 09:09 AM
I certainly know about bigots stirring the race pot. I watched Glenn Beck on FOX doing that just the other day.

And no, I was not kidding. I have limited contact with members of the Hispanic community, but I have daily contact with large numbers of blacks and regular contact with a significant number of Muslims, including members of my family. I do not believe that they hate American culture, defined inclusively, or whites. I also know that most of them experience discrimination based on their heritage on a regular basis.


You break down and watch FOX, and Glenn Beck is the show you choose??

He is almost as goofy as Dan Rather!!

Jim Wetzler
07-30-2009, 11:18 AM
I work for a large defense contractor and supervise a melting pot of Americana....Black, White, Hispanic, and Asian.
this past election did more to drive apart long time friends than anything I have seen since I have worked here....almost 25 years.
Many of the Blacks knew nothing of Barry's platform, but wanted to help out a brother.
Many of the black women were infatuated with him...ala JFK.
The ones that did their homework and looked at issues were able to have rational discussion, both pro and con.
I spent a few miserable afternoons in Human resources because of offering my opinon, but the OB supporters were allowed free pass because of someone using the race card.
Because of all the nonsense of this discussions about politics are no longer permitted.

Steve Amrein
07-30-2009, 11:33 AM
I just finished a bid for a metro link project. We have never been successful even though we are qualified to do the work we are not a minority. My wife is the president and the major stoke holder but I guess being a white woman is no longer a minority. Usually the work goes to some huge out of state contractor that for the life of me can not figure out how they are disadvantaged. They get likely all the work the can handed to them at a rate far above anyone else. The really sad thing is that this particular project is the extra money they are spending to have some overpriced minority contractor they have cut a large portion of transportation routes used by minorities to save money. Oh and 2 weeks ago they had some sort of protest march closing down highway 70 because this project did not have enough minority contractor participation.

dnf777
07-30-2009, 12:07 PM
This forum has certainly been a "teachable moment". I've learned that very, very few people are open to listening and new ideas. Most are set in their ways like concrete, nobody else can ever have a valid viewpoint, and even if God Almighty were to hit them between the eyes with a 2x4!

NONE of us knows the details of the Gates incident. We have conflicting reports from two sources, historically known to fudge details in conflicts such as these, yet everyone, myself included, has rendered judgement, sometimes condemning entire races or ethnic groups or police.

It now seems that Obama, rather than ignore this, and "take no more questions", has acted like a reasonable person, and will try to bring this to an amicable conclusion, and maybe, just maybe, a group of people of all probably acted imperfectly, will come out with a new understanding of each others perspectives. I can hear the accolades and cheers if anyone else had used this approach, but because it's who it is, we get more and more race-cards thrown into the pile. People are set like concrete in their notions.

I hope it turns out well. If a handful of blacks can see and understand why cops act like they do and give them some slack.....and if a few cops maybe see how blacks view their situation, and are a little more sensitive to those views and can avoid future such confrontations.....what the hell is wrong with that???

As I said, a very "teachable moment". I fear many will choose to continue hatred, and finger-pointing, and disenfranchisement of people with different color, beliefs or origins.

Like I said earlier, I believe most Americans (of all colors) have risen above most of the petty, obsolete, claims of racism that we see in this situation.

road kill
07-30-2009, 12:17 PM
This forum has certainly been a "teachable moment". I've learned that very, very few people are open to listening and new ideas. Most are set in their ways like concrete, nobody else can ever have a valid viewpoint, and even if God Almighty were to hit them between the eyes with a 2x4!
NONE of us knows the details of the Gates incident. We have conflicting reports from two sources, historically known to fudge details in conflicts such as these, yet everyone, myself included, has rendered judgement, sometimes condemning entire races or ethnic groups or police.

It now seems that Obama, rather than ignore this, and "take no more questions", has acted like a reasonable person, and will try to bring this to an amicable conclusion, and maybe, just maybe, a group of people of all probably acted imperfectly, will come out with a new understanding of each others perspectives. I can hear the accolades and cheers if anyone else had used this approach, but because it's who it is, we get more and more race-cards thrown into the pile. People are set like concrete in their notions.

I hope it turns out well. If a handful of blacks can see and understand why cops act like they do and give them some slack.....and if a few cops maybe see how blacks view their situation, and are a little more sensitive to those views and can avoid future such confrontations.....what the hell is wrong with that???

As I said, a very "teachable moment". I fear many will choose to continue hatred, and finger-pointing, and disenfranchisement of people with different color, beliefs or origins.

Like I said earlier, I believe most Americans (of all colors) have risen above most of the petty, obsolete, claims of racism that we see in this situation.




Did I ever mention that's a nice lookin' animal in your avatar??

stan b

Franco
07-30-2009, 01:09 PM
It now seems that Obama, rather than ignore this, and "take no more questions", has acted like a reasonable person, and will try to bring this to an amicable conclusion, and maybe, just maybe, a group of people of all probably acted imperfectly, will come out with a new understanding of each others perspectives.


.

Acted like a reasonable person!?!

He should have apologized to the police officer involved as well as the American people for race baiting. He should have acknowledge that Mr Gates was not only out of line but, out of control.

The police went to investigate a call-in regarding a burglery. Mr Gates should have thanked the police for showing up to protect his house. Instead, Mr Gates acted like a fool.

But, our liberal controlled media will go to all ends to protect the guilty!
Obama has NO integrity or class!

badbullgator
07-30-2009, 01:33 PM
When I was a kid we had a Doberman that hated black people. I mean he'd go apeshat crazy to jump out of the car or climb over the fence at the mere sight of a black person, and he wasn't just putting on a show...he had some baaaad intentions. We didn't condition him to hate blacks (as far as I know). He was just a racist SOB. ;) Other than that flaw, he was a pretty good dog with a nice temperment.


I have a lab like that now, funny thing is he is brown:cool:. He is the only one of five that doesn't like blacks. He just goes ape s&%# towards them. Why? I have no clue, never beaten by them.......

WRL
07-30-2009, 01:43 PM
NONE of us knows the details of the Gates incident. We have conflicting reports from two sources, historically known to fudge details in conflicts such as these, yet everyone, myself included, has rendered judgement, sometimes condemning entire races or ethnic groups or police.

It now seems that Obama, rather than ignore this, and "take no more questions", has acted like a reasonable person, and will try to bring this to an amicable conclusion, and maybe, just maybe, a group of people of all probably acted imperfectly, will come out with a new understanding of each others perspectives. I can hear the accolades and cheers if anyone else had used this approach, but because it's who it is, we get more and more race-cards thrown into the pile. People are set like concrete in their notions.

I hope it turns out well. If a handful of blacks can see and understand why cops act like they do and give them some slack.....and if a few cops maybe see how blacks view their situation, and are a little more sensitive to those views and can avoid future such confrontations.....what the hell is wrong with that???

.

Maybe you should actually read some of the comments written rather than lump everyone together? That is the basis of "racism" (one bad apple spoils the bushel).

I take exception to this part of your quote......

1) Please point out which side I have "taken" other than to say Obama acted "stupidly".

2)In your "hope it turns out well" I take that to read, Cops acted badly but blacks should give them slack because its a hard job, Cops should give blacks slack because they are black.

WRL

dnf777
07-30-2009, 03:17 PM
Maybe you should actually read some of the comments written rather than lump everyone together? That is the basis of "racism" (one bad apple spoils the bushel).

I take exception to this part of your quote......

1) Please point out which side I have "taken" other than to say Obama acted "stupidly".

2)In your "hope it turns out well" I take that to read, Cops acted badly but blacks should give them slack because its a hard job, Cops should give blacks slack because they are black.

WRL


If that's the message I conveyed, either I'm a bad communicator, or you just proved my point!

Maybe we should all just have a beer regards,
Dave

WRL
07-30-2009, 03:56 PM
If that's the message I conveyed, either I'm a bad communicator, or you just proved my point!

Maybe we should all just have a beer regards,
Dave

Don't beer or cool-ade.....sorry.

WRL

Gun_Dog2002
07-30-2009, 04:31 PM
It now seems that Obama, rather than ignore this, and "take no more questions", has acted like a reasonable person, and will try to bring this to an amicable conclusion, and maybe, just maybe, a group of people of all probably acted imperfectly, will come out with a new understanding of each others perspectives.


You have got to be kidding me? You're gonna give Obomo credit like this? He stepped in fertilizer by sticking his nose where it didn't belong and his PR people are working overtime trying to get him out of it. How much of my taxpayer money is being spent to fly these two people in to cover his @$$?

Figures, just figures....

/Paul

road kill
07-30-2009, 04:37 PM
You have got to be kidding me? You're gonna give Obomo credit like this? He stepped in fertilizer by sticking his nose where it didn't belong and his PR people are working overtime trying to get him out of it. How much of my taxpayer money is being spent to fly these two people in to cover his @$$?

Figures, just figures....

/Paul
A Klown is a Klown no matter how much you drink!!

dnf777
07-30-2009, 04:41 PM
You have got to be kidding me? You're gonna give Obomo credit like this? He stepped in fertilizer by sticking his nose where it didn't belong and his PR people are working overtime trying to get him out of it. How much of my taxpayer money is being spent to fly these two people in to cover his @$$?

Figures, just figures....

/Paul

I don't like alot of what the guy is doing, but I refuse to be so close minded as to not see when someone is trying to make right. Sure, he stepped in it, but haven't we all said something off handed that we regret. I know I have.
I'm willing to see if he can turn something positive out of this.

road kill
07-30-2009, 04:47 PM
I don't like alot of what the guy is doing, but I refuse to be so close minded as to not see when someone is trying to make right. Sure, he stepped in it, but haven't we all said something off handed that we regret. I know I have.
I'm willing to see if he can turn something positive out of this.
OK.....I think that President Obama acted STUPIDLY when he made his uninformed comment.

Is that OK??

Franco
07-30-2009, 04:48 PM
I don't like alot of what the guy is doing, but I refuse to be so close minded as to not see when someone is trying to make right. Sure, he stepped in it, but haven't we all said something off handed that we regret. I know I have.
I'm willing to see if he can turn something positive out of this.

If he were really trying to make right, then he would be honest. If he really want to make right, he would apologise to the Police Officer and admit that he made a mistake by tossing in the race card. Obama is a phoney and most can see right through him!

Gun_Dog2002
07-30-2009, 04:52 PM
I don't like alot of what the guy is doing, but I refuse to be so close minded as to not see when someone is trying to make right. Sure, he stepped in it, but haven't we all said something off handed that we regret. I know I have.
I'm willing to see if he can turn something positive out of this.


Huh. I don't recall being that open minded with Bush when he said stuff. I'm still not too keen on him turning this into a photo op and an opportunity for people to worship the messiah. He could have just apologized for stickin his big nose where it doesn't belong and went back to focusing on more important issues facing this country.

/Paul

mjh345
07-30-2009, 05:36 PM
It seems like most all of the posters on this thread know all the facts of this case and in fact know exactly what happened in this case.
The general consensus from all the forensic experts on this board is that the police report is 100% accurate, and no facts are in dispute.

Those "undisputed" facts are in a nutshell as follows;

A) Crowley and all the LEO's involved acted responsibly and are to be commended for their honor and integrity. They should in fact sue for the abuse and indignity that they have had to endure

B) Gates and his "partner in crime" are racist troublemakers who should have been arrested, tasered, roughed up some, and faced serious penalties for their egregious threatening actions to these officers and the rest of the community at large.

As a god fearing flag waving ,blue eyed native born American I am outraged, threatened and insulted to know that an elderly black man who walks with a cane can be discovered inside a residence in which he legally resides and not have to face serious legal consequences for such egregious behavior. He should not be allowed to roam the streets unfetterred!!!


It strikes me as funny that the Prosecuter decided not to pursue the charges against Gates and his "partner in crime", inspite of the "undisputed" facts stated above.
He is the top law enforcement official in the jurisdiction of the alleged scene of the crime, and as such should have the ability, authority and resources to thouroughly ascertain the prosecutions [officers] version of the facts. In spite of this he chose not to prosecute these obvious menaces to society. He must have ignored the obvious "undisputed" facts.

This is especially unusual in light of the fact that prosecutors usually have a law enforcement bent, and tend to favor LEO's version of the "facts" There is an axiom that you can indict a ham sandwich.

So I have a suggesstion to all the CSI experts on this board. Please step from behind your keyboards for a while. Start a Million Man March to Massachusetts and demand that justice be served. Share with the [obviously uninformed] authorities there your "undisputed" facts.

If we allow menaces like Gates and his ilk to not pay for their crimes, then we risk setting a precendent wherein we may all be subjected
to the risk of living in an area where having elderly crippled black men peacefully residing nearby is tolerated and accepted.

Tongue in cheek.... NIMBY regards

subroc
07-30-2009, 05:51 PM
blah, blah, blah

Nor_Cal_Angler
07-30-2009, 06:16 PM
I have a lab like that now, funny thing is he is brown:cool:. He is the only one of five that doesn't like blacks. He just goes ape s&%# towards them. Why? I have no clue, never beaten by them.......

funny, my Cho-co..is the same way.

DAMN BROWN DOG'S....screwing up yet again!!!!!!!

He has a displeasure for Spanish, and Black people...and oddly any Black dog...he will let any breed walk on buy without so much as a look as long as they do not have a black coat...WIERD to say the least.

And just to squash any ideas, NO I HAVE NOT TRAINED HIM WITH THIS BEHAVIOR!!!!!!!!!

NCA

Blackstone
07-30-2009, 10:15 PM
If he were really trying to make right, then he would be honest. If he really want to make right, he would apologise to the Police Officer and admit that he made a mistake by tossing in the race card. Obama is a phoney and most can see right through him!

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9y8oh_obamas-full-comments-on-gates-incid_news

If you watched the entire video of his comments, the reporter asked Obama how the Gates incident affected race relations. So, I guess you can say she actually tossed in the race card. Obama prefaced his response by saying he is a friend of Gates, and therefore might be a little biased. He went on to say that he was not there, did not have all the facts, and did not know what roll race may have played in it. I don't think that saying you don't know if race was a factor can be construed as tossing in the race card.

That being said, the right thing for him to do would have been to decline to comment on it all together. And, since he didn't have all the facts, he certainly shouldn't have said the police acted stupidly.

Franco
07-30-2009, 10:43 PM
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9y8oh_obamas-full-comments-on-gates-incid_news

If you watched the entire video of his comments, the reporter asked Obama how the Gates incident affected race relations. So, I guess you can say she actually tossed in the race card. Obama prefaced his response by saying he is a friend of Gates, and therefore might be a little biased. He went on to say that he was not there, did not have all the facts, and did not know what roll race may have played in it. I don't think that saying you don't know if race was a factor can be construed as tossing in the race card.

That being said, the right thing for him to do would have been to decline to comment on it all together. And, since he didn't have all the facts, he certainly shouldn't have said the police acted stupidly.

So, it was more an elitist comment since they are friends? Also, these words should have been spoken at the tax funded Beer Fest; I apologise to the Police Department for calling them stupid when it was I, the idiot.