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SueLab
07-26-2009, 04:00 PM
Obama Appoints 2 Devout Muslims to Homeland Security Posts

(NOTE: has anyone ever heard a new government official being identified as a devout Catholic, Jew or Protestant..., just wondering?)

Doesn't this make you feel safer already??



Obama and Janet Nappy Appoint Devout Muslim to Homeland Security Post

Arif Alikhan as Assistant Secretary for Policy Development

Source for announcement:

Homeland Security Press Room

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/06/obama-appointment-arif-ali-khan-asst-secretary-dhs.html



Shora, who was born in Damascus, Syria

Kareem Shora appointed by DHS Secretary Napolitano on Homeland Security Advisory Council (HSAC)

Washington, DC

June 5, 2009

www.adc.org

The American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee (ADC) is proud to announce that earlier today at a ceremony held in Albuquerque, New Mexico, DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano swore-in ADC National Executive Director Kareem Shora as a member of the Homeland Security Advisory Council (HSAC).

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PERSONAL NOTE: If I am not mistaken, was it not devout men of the Muslim faith that flew planes into U.S. buildings not too long ago. What the is this man thinking?

Pals
07-26-2009, 04:12 PM
He is thinking that if we apologize for our existance, suck up to our enemies and weakend our defenses-well golly gee everyone will like us and no one will try to harm our citizens or property. Seriously-each and everyday that passes with this POTUS and his merry band of idiots it just gets worse.

YardleyLabs
07-26-2009, 04:15 PM
Obama Appoints 2 Devout Muslims to Homeland Security Posts

(NOTE: has anyone ever heard a new government official being identified as a devout Catholic, Jew or Protestant..., just wondering?)

Doesn't this make you feel safer already??



Obama and Janet Nappy Appoint Devout Muslim to Homeland Security Post

Arif Alikhan as Assistant Secretary for Policy Development

Source for announcement:

Homeland Security Press Room

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/06/obama-appointment-arif-ali-khan-asst-secretary-dhs.html



Shora, who was born in Damascus, Syria

Kareem Shora appointed by DHS Secretary Napolitano on Homeland Security Advisory Council (HSAC)

Washington, DC

June 5, 2009

www.adc.org (http://www.adc.org)

The American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee (ADC) is proud to announce that earlier today at a ceremony held in Albuquerque, New Mexico, DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano swore-in ADC National Executive Director Kareem Shora as a member of the Homeland Security Advisory Council (HSAC).

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PERSONAL NOTE: If I am not mistaken, was it not devout men of the Muslim faith that flew planes into U.S. buildings not too long ago. What the is this man thinking?
The appointment of devout "Catholic, Jew or Protestant" staff is not news and is not reported for that reason. I suspect you would find that many or most of Obama's appointees fall into one of those categories. The fact that two appointees are Muslim shows how rare that is.

PERSONAL NOTE: If I am not mistaken, was it not devout Catholics who brought us the Spanish Inquisition, was it not devout Christians who brought us the genocide of millions of natives in what is now Haiti and the Dominican Republic, and was it not the Christians of Salem that brought us the Witch Trials? Blaming any religion for all the worst acts of its devotees is ridiculous, whether the devotees claim to be Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, or any other of the world's major beliefs.

Julie R.
07-26-2009, 09:37 PM
The appointment of devout "Catholic, Jew or Protestant" staff is not news and is not reported for that reason. I suspect you would find that many or most of Obama's appointees fall into one of those categories. The fact that two appointees are Muslim shows how rare that is.

PERSONAL NOTE: If I am not mistaken, was it not devout Catholics who brought us the Spanish Inquisition, was it not devout Christians who brought us the genocide of millions of natives in what is now Haiti and the Dominican Republic, and was it not the Christians of Salem that brought us the Witch Trials? Blaming any religion for all the worst acts of its devotees is ridiculous, whether the devotees claim to be Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, or any other of the world's major beliefs.

Oh come on Jeff, this is WEAK. None of those things happened within the past decade and some are hundreds of years old.

As for singling out 'devout' for a Muslim but not for any other religion, it's racism, pure and simple. But then, anyone who didn't think Obongo was racist had their eyes opened in the past week.

Bob Gutermuth
07-26-2009, 09:46 PM
Sounds like foxes guarding the chickenhouse to me.

JDogger
07-26-2009, 11:05 PM
As for singling out 'devout' for a Muslim but not for any other religion, it's racism, pure and simple. But then, anyone who didn't think Obongo was racist had their eyes opened in the past week.
Julie,
Being you are resident pro, expert on racism. I for one, defer to your superior knowledge on these matters.
You once again nailed it girl. Please, please continue :razz:

You drive your point home without any doubt:razz:

Thank you, JD

helencalif
07-26-2009, 11:41 PM
T

and was it not the Christians of Salem that brought us the Witch Trials? .

1692 - The Salem Witchcraft Delusion. They were Puritans.

Helen Graves
A direct descendant of Ann Pudeator
who was hung for witchcraft at Salem, MA
September 1692

M&K's Retrievers
07-26-2009, 11:59 PM
Blaming any religion for all the worst acts of its devotees is ridiculous, whether the devotees claim to be Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, or any other of the world's major beliefs.[/QUOTE]

Methinks you might be incorrect reguarding Muslims - not all but a large majority have a mission.

Hew
07-27-2009, 12:40 AM
Julie,
Being you are resident pro, expert on racism. I for one, defer to your superior knowledge on these matters.
You once again nailed it girl. Please, please continue :razz:

You drive your point home without any doubt:razz:

Thank you, JD
OK, who all on POTUS place has had a post edited by the moderators because it was deemed racist? Raise your hands, please.

<<looking>>


<<looking>>


<<looking>>


<<only seeing one sheepishly raised hand in the back of the room...it has a hemp "Increase the Peace" bracelet hand-woven by Sedona artist Swami Lovemore, but I can't make out the owner of the hand>>

Who's that in the tie-dye dashiki shirt with their arm raised? Oh, ok. Thanks, JDog.

<<still looking>>

OK. Thanks. That's what I thought.

YardleyLabs
07-27-2009, 06:11 AM
Methinks you might be incorrect reguarding Muslims - not all but a large majority have a mission
Me thinks you don't know many or any Muslims. You are wrong.

Personally, few things worry me more than religious fanatics/fundamentalists in positions of power. A number of countries around the world have allowed themselves to become theocracies and that is frightening to me. The fact that most of those countries are Muslim is secondary. It is more frightening to me that there are those who seem to want to establish a theocracy in this country as well. Given our greater power, that is more frightening. The issue is not the religion; it is the willingness to justify otherwise heinous acts when you believe that you are serving a "higher power." In my mind, evil is defined by what you do, not why you claim to have done it.

badbullgator
07-27-2009, 07:48 AM
Good one Jeff

NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition!Our chief weapon is surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise....Our two weapons are fear and surprise... and ruthless efficiency....Our three weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency...and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope....Our four... no...Amongst our weapons... Amongst our weaponry...are such elements as fear, surprise...
:rolleyes:

JDogger
07-27-2009, 08:00 AM
OK, who all on POTUS place has had a post edited by the moderators because it was deemed racist? Raise your hands, please.

<<looking>>


<<looking>>


<<looking>>


<<only seeing one sheepishly raised hand in the back of the room...it has a hemp "Increase the Peace" bracelet hand-woven by Sedona artist Swami Lovemore, but I can't make out the owner of the hand>>

Who's that in the tie-dye dashiki shirt with their arm raised? Oh, ok. Thanks, JDog.

<<still looking>>

OK. Thanks. That's what I thought.

Wrong again. It was for providing a link with the f word in it. How that was racist escapes me. The link derided southern culture. I'll send the link and the the PM I recieved if you want.

What are you smoking?

Gerry Clinchy
07-27-2009, 08:08 AM
Methinks you might be incorrect reguarding Muslims - not all but a large majority have a mission.

Yardley


Me thinks you don't know many or any Muslims. You are wrong.

Personally, few things worry me more than religious fanatics/fundamentalists in positions of power. A number of countries around the world have allowed themselves to become theocracies and that is frightening to me. The fact that most of those countries are Muslim is secondary. It is more frightening to me that there are those who seem to want to establish a theocracy in this country as well. Given our greater power, that is more frightening. The issue is not the religion; it is the willingness to justify otherwise heinous acts when you believe that you are serving a "higher power." In my mind, evil is defined by what you do, not why you claim to have done it.

I don't think that it is "secondary" that most of the countries with theocracies are Muslim. It would appear that theocracy is a primary directive of the Muslim faith, and that converting or eliminating infidels is part of that.

While I do not believe that a majority of those adhering to Muslim faith fully believe in that directive, there is evidence that many Muslims do.

One would have to admit that Israel is also based on a theocratic premise.

I don't believe that the U.S. has to be theocratic just because it acknowledges roots in predominantly Christian founders. US citizenry has proven time and again that they are most willing to allow free religious expression as long as it does not interfere with the same right of others.

Throughout history there have been religious fanatics of all faiths. You might even point to the fanaticism of atheism in the history of communism in Russia and China.

It goes without saying that there have been countries, the US included, who have struggled through periods of religious fanaticism ... and overcame those struggles. Always, it seems, that struggles with regligious fanatacism come from lack of emphasis on a relgion's points of kindness and respect, and more emphasis on accumulating power. We have seen that emphasis on accumulating power can be evil whether coupled with religion or not.

YardleyLabs
07-27-2009, 08:28 AM
To find more contemporary examples of grotesque religious bigotry stated in a manner that encourages violence, one need look no further than Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Ann Coulter ("We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity."), Franklin Graham, William Lind, Dave Hunt, Rick Santorum, etc.

YardleyLabs
07-27-2009, 08:30 AM
...

It goes without saying that there have been countries, the US included, who have struggled through periods of religious fanaticism ... and overcame those struggles. Always, it seems, that struggles with regligious fanatacism come from lack of emphasis on a relgion's points of kindness and respect, and more emphasis on accumulating power. We have seen that emphasis on accumulating power can be evil whether coupled with religion or not.
I absolutely agree.

Gerry Clinchy
07-27-2009, 10:03 AM
To find more contemporary examples of grotesque religious bigotry stated in a manner that encourages violence, one need look no further than Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Ann Coulter ("We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity."), Franklin Graham, William Lind, Dave Hunt, Rick Santorum, etc.

However, I don't see any sane people jumping on that bandwagon. Nor do I see that as a primary teaching of Christianity, while it is a central theme to Islam. Even so, I don't think that the majority of Muslims focus their attention on that theme of their religion.

Fanaticism exists. Whether a group or a nation allows themselves to succumb to it, is the test.

Interestingly, wasn't Jesus, himself in favor of the separation of church & state? I.E. ... "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's. Render unto God that which is God's." Or maybe that was just one of those things that Constantine advocated being included in the New Testament books, since it helped his own goals?

dnf777
07-27-2009, 11:21 AM
The appointment of devout "Catholic, Jew or Protestant" staff is not news and is not reported for that reason. I suspect you would find that many or most of Obama's appointees fall into one of those categories. The fact that two appointees are Muslim shows how rare that is.

PERSONAL NOTE: If I am not mistaken, was it not devout Catholics who brought us the Spanish Inquisition, was it not devout Christians who brought us the genocide of millions of natives in what is now Haiti and the Dominican Republic, and was it not the Christians of Salem that brought us the Witch Trials? Blaming any religion for all the worst acts of its devotees is ridiculous, whether the devotees claim to be Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, or any other of the world's major beliefs.

Don't forget the devout Christians who torched themselves and children at Waco, and the one who shot an OB/GYN in the head in church.

Religious fanatasism knows no boundies.

As long as someone is a devout, competent AMERICAN, I don't care what, if any, God they worship. And I believe the Constitution backs me up on that one.

As for the 9-11 hijackers, they were mostly Saudi Arabian. I don't recall any outrage, invasion, or bombing of the hijackers homeland?? We briefly targeted Afghanastan, but pulled out when we needed more resources for Iraq, leaving bin Laden, Al-queda, and the taliban to regroup and restrengthen over the past 6 years. Lots of machismo talk, but no walking the walk. As a result, we have N. Korea, Iran, and still Afghanastan to deal with.

YardleyLabs
07-27-2009, 11:52 AM
However, I don't see any sane people jumping on that bandwagon. Nor do I see that as a primary teaching of Christianity, while it is a central theme to Islam. Even so, I don't think that the majority of Muslims focus their attention on that theme of their religion.

Fanaticism exists. Whether a group or a nation allows themselves to succumb to it, is the test.

Interestingly, wasn't Jesus, himself in favor of the separation of church & state? I.E. ... "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's. Render unto God that which is God's." Or maybe that was just one of those things that Constantine advocated being included in the New Testament books, since it helped his own goals?

I don't view violence as a primary tenet of either Christianity or Islam, although proponents of both have argued for "holy" wars. The Koran actually prohibits forced conversion and allows war against "non-believers" only when those non-believers are preventing Muslims from exercising their faith. It requires that others be permitted to practice their religions and religious tolerance was long accepted as the rule in Iran (where it was undermined but not eliminated by the Islamic revolution) and Iraq (where it was undermined by the overthrow of Saddam Hussein).

Turkey remains a secular state by Constitutional law although there, like here, religious groups are seeking to weaken that secular commitment. Indonesia commits legally to a monotheistic belief, but guarantees religious freedom in its constitution and has substantial populations of non-Muslim Christian and non-Christian practitioners. Lebanon is a mixed Christian and Muslim society where political power is carefully apportioned to preserve the influence of the different religious factions. Jordan is a Muslim country with a significant Christian population that practices openly. Saudi Arabia by contrast, is a Muslim country where practicing other religions in public can get you in a lot of trouble.

The list goes on. The religious fanaticism of Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, and Pakistan stand out among the Islamic world. It is interesting that in each of these countries the US participated in helping to finance and strengthen the religious fanatics that now plague us because we felt that they might help in our fights against communism.

badbullgator
07-27-2009, 12:25 PM
So what exactly is the problem here? Is it that he appointed some muslims or is it the way it was announced?
Jeff at least you are consistent. You always take the opposite side, right or wrong or totally off the beaten path
Spanish inquisition regards

Blackstone
07-27-2009, 09:06 PM
Here are links to the official announcements of both appointments in question.

http://http://www.dhs.gov/ynews/releases/pr_1244227862914.shtm

http://http://www.dhs.gov/ynews/releases/pr_1240595153301.shtm

Nowhere in either one does it mention anything about their religion. It appears it is Atlas Shrugs, and other publications like it that singled them out as devout Muslims.

I agree with intent of Julie's statement. It is bigotry pure and simple (Islam is not a race). However, it is not on the part of Obama and his administration. It is on the part of Atlas Shrugs and publications like them.

Ken Bora
07-27-2009, 10:15 PM
(NOTE: has anyone ever heard a new government official being identified as a devout Catholic, Jew or Protestant..., just wondering?)???
Kennedy
Kissinger
Carter
of the top of the head, it happens all the time.
lets see if they do a good job first

Henry V
07-27-2009, 10:17 PM
Here are links to the official announcements of both appointments in question.

http://http://www.dhs.gov/ynews/releases/pr_1244227862914.shtm

http://http://www.dhs.gov/ynews/releases/pr_1240595153301.shtm

Nowhere in either one does it mention anything about their religion. It appears it is Atlas Shrugs, and other publications like it that singled them out as devout Muslims.

I agree with intent of Julie's statement. It is bigotry pure and simple (Islam is not a race). However, it is not on the part of Obama and his administration. It is on the part of Atlas Shrugs and publications like them.
Are you trying to tell me that a review of the facts suggests the entire reason this thread was started is based on misinformation? No way! ;)

YardleyLabs
07-28-2009, 08:38 AM
Are you trying to tell me that a review of the facts suggests the entire reason this thread was started is based on misinformation? No way! ;)
So I guess when Julie R. wrote that "As for singling out 'devout' for a Muslim but not for any other religion, it's racism, pure and simple. But then, anyone who didn't think Obongo was racist had their eyes opened in the past week.", she was calling the author of the Atlas Shrugged blog a racist "pure and simple".;-)