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Richard Halstead
08-08-2009, 04:41 PM
http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350,00.html

Time has a list of the top 25 to blame for the financial crisis.

Full List

Blameworthy


Angelo Mozilo (http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877339,00.html)
Phil Gramm (http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877330,00.html)
Alan Greenspan (http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877331,00.html)
Chris Cox (http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877323,00.html)
American Consumers (http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877319,00.html)
Hank Paulson (http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877341,00.html)
Joe Cassano (http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877321,00.html)
Ian McCarthy (http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877338,00.html)
Frank Raines (http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877335,00.html)
Kathleen Corbet (http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877325,00.html)
Dick Fuld (http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877326,00.html)
Marion and Herb Sandler (http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877343,00.html)
Bill Clinton (http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877322,00.html)
George W. Bush (http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877320,00.html)
Stan O'Neal (http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877344,00.html)
Wen Jiabao (http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877333,00.html)
David Lereah (http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877336,00.html)
John Devaney (http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877324,00.html)
Bernie Madoff (http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877337,00.html)
Lew Ranieri (http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877342,00.html)
Burton Jablin (http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877332,00.html)
Fred Goodwin (http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877328,00.html)
Sandy Weill (http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877329,00.html)
David Oddsson (http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877340,00.html)
Jimmy Cayne (http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877327,00.html)

Bob Gutermuth
08-08-2009, 06:09 PM
They forgot Barney Frank and Chris Dodd, typical of the liberal press.

subroc
08-08-2009, 06:09 PM
Where are Barney Frank and Chris Dodd?

Richard Halstead
08-08-2009, 08:22 PM
Apparently Dodd and Frank had an effect not ranking in the top 25. Angelo Mozillo at number 1 introduced the sub-prime loans through Countryside Motgage. He then sold the business toBank of America for around 600 million.

Goose
08-08-2009, 09:43 PM
Any list that doesn't place Chairman Greenspan as the number one reason we're in the mess we're in hasn't got the facts straight. Mozilo's a pimp. Forget him. Always put the politicians first. They're arsonists and too stupid to understand what they're doing.

Corbet's another one of my favorites. Not just her but all the dumbarses at S&P and Moody's. They could probably go out in my backyard, scoop all the dog poop into a black bag and convince Petsmart to sell it as dog food. They're also front line arsonists.

Cassano's another one. Such arrogance.

But this was a perfect storm dripping with greed. There were arsonists around every corner and it's brought our country to her knees and I don't think we'll ever recover.

JDogger
08-08-2009, 11:37 PM
It would appear by this list that there is plenty of blame to go all around, regardless of its inclusions, or exclusions, party or politics.
Perhaps, we all are ultimately to blame, for the situation in which we find ourselves. The world has changed, and is changing whether you, I, or UB like it.

JD

dnf777
08-09-2009, 07:00 AM
It would appear by this list that there is plenty of blame to go all around, regardless of its inclusions, or exclusions, party or politics.
Perhaps, we all are ultimately to blame, for the situation in which we find ourselves. The world has changed, and is changing whether you, I, or UB like it.

JD

Don't go bein' "reasonable" on us!! :D

Franco
08-09-2009, 03:40 PM
I agree with Bob G and Submariner, both Barney Frank and Chris Dodd should be in the top half of that list. And, before this current administration is done, we can add Obama, Reid and Pelosi to the top of the list for making as bad situation worse.

Don't believe the current lies they are sending to the press about the economy recovering. I suspect it was never that bad in most parts of the country and they used that scare tactic to get elected.

I personally think the worse is yet to come in regards to the economy because of the policies of this current administration!

badbullgator
08-09-2009, 08:03 PM
Hey Roger et al it looks like it is NOT ALL Bush's fault after all

Richard Halstead
08-09-2009, 09:35 PM
Bush inherited the poor economy in 2001 while I am willing to admit he made economic mistakes during his term. Never does Obama let us believe the economy turned south during the hanging-chad fiasco. Which followed the dot com bubble burst.

JDogger
08-09-2009, 10:58 PM
I agree with Bob G and Submariner, both Barney Frank and Chris Dodd should be in the top half of that list. And, before this current administration is done, we can add Obama, Reid and Pelosi to the top of the list for making as bad situation worse.

Don't believe the current lies they are sending to the press about the economy recovering. I suspect it was never that bad in most parts of the country and they used that scare tactic to get elected.

I personally think the worse is yet to come in regards to the economy because of the policies of this current administration!

So, OK, Booty. Put Frank and Dodd, not just close to the top of the list, put 'em right at the top. Now, where's Booty gonna put his money? In the market? In bonds? In currency? Or, are you just gonna piss and moan?
I don't know about the rest of you slobs, But i've been gettin' on the phone, and gettin' on the road, and seeing my clients, and gettin' sales done. Ya can bitch and gripe, or you can get out and work.
Wotta bunch a pussies regards,

JD

Franco
08-09-2009, 11:18 PM
So, OK, Booty. Put Frank and Dodd, not just close to the top of the list, put 'em right at the top. Now, where's Booty gonna put his money? In the market? In bonds? In currency? Or, are you just gonna piss and moan?
I don't know about the rest of you slobs, But i've been gettin' on the phone, and gettin' on the road, and seeing my clients, and gettin' sales done. Ya can bitch and gripe, or you can get out and work.
Wotta bunch a pussies regards,

JD

To answer the first part; Real Estate - what I don't have in a Money Market account, I've been buying rental property.

I'm getting sales done here to. I live in a very heavy Republican area(southwest La.) and business is good! And, it should remain strong until the goobs pass Cap and Trade or inflation hits hard, which ever comes first.

JDogger
08-09-2009, 11:34 PM
Real estate in Katrina land, huh?
Who's suppossed to bail you out next time?

FWIW I don't question my clients on their politics. Has little to do with business.

JD

M&K's Retrievers
08-10-2009, 12:10 AM
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I don't know about the rest of you slobs, But i've been gettin' on the phone, and gettin' on the road, and seeing my clients, and gettin' sales done. Ya can bitch and gripe, or you can get out and work.
Wotta bunch a pussies regards,

JD[/QUOTE]

Just wondering what your selling. Probably not real estate, autos, insurance, oil and gas, investments, manufactured products, cattle, construction materials..... just wondering:confused:

JDogger
08-10-2009, 12:16 AM
Leather, wholesale and retail. Yes, big clients are off, pushing hard on the small.

JD

road kill
08-10-2009, 07:11 AM
Leather, wholesale and retail. Yes, big clients are off, pushing hard on the small.

JD

How are sales for you?

JDogger
08-10-2009, 08:33 AM
Retail OTC is steady. Big ticket wholesale still off some but orders coming in.

Franco
08-10-2009, 08:51 AM
Real estate in Katrina land, huh?
Who's suppossed to bail you out next time?

FWIW I don't question my clients on their politics. Has little to do with business.

JD

Katrina hit southeast La. I've been living in southeast La. for the last 4 years. I'm 40 feet above see level and Flood Insurance is not required by lenders in our area. Plus, Real Estate values have remainded steady and continue to rise in some areas. We are an overwhelming Republican area.

Bail outs? That's a big government thing. New Orleans did just fine when Hurricanes Betsy, Camile and Aubry struck. But those hurricanes hit before the Entitlement mentallity became so ingrained in the lesser incomed Democrats across the USA.

Now that Gov. Bobby Jindal has renegociated our oil & gas royalties, we don't need any bailout money.

I'll make a deal with you; If you can get the liberal media from making eveyone but the poor democrats of the area look like villons, placing pressure on the FEDS to continue spending more money, I in return will ask our state governemnt to quit accepting Federal aide.

dnf777
08-10-2009, 02:33 PM
New Orleans did just fine when Hurricanes Betsy, Camile and Aubry struck. But those hurricanes hit before the Entitlement mentallity became so ingrained in the lesser incomed Democrats across the USA.

I'm stayin' out of this one, except to comment on the very unfair comparison and blame above. You're comparing firecrackers to atom bombs! Bad as they were, Betsy, Camille, and Aubrey did NOT breach the levies! That is what resulted in the huge loss of life and property. I don't know who's side I took by saying that, that wasn't the point. There is plenty of blame to go around, from the top down...so nobody has to be left out of Katrina. Did Nagin fail? Yes! Did Blanco fail? Yes! But that's where Mr. Bush had a chance to ride in on his white stallion, and take up the slack, and be a true hero. Instead, he ignored his experts, took some photo ops, and left town.

I don't care who's responsibility it was in the first place, but SOMEBODY should have had potable water dropped in on people PRONTO. It took less than 12 hours after the tsunamis to begin distributing potable water. We looked pathetic in comparison to that. (and we participated in the tsunami relief!) Its no comfort to anyone to see Nagin, Blanco, and Bush in a three-way on tv. That was shameful for republicans, democrats, and anyone else who had anything to do with that CF. Like it or not, when that happens, a true leader takes responsibility. We didn't see that at any level, esp at the top. Crap, I said I was stayin' out. Being involved with the recovery effort, it's hard not to spout a least a little.

kjrice
08-10-2009, 06:31 PM
As far as I'm concerned, Mozillo, Raines, etc...did what they were allowed to do, based upon policies set under the Clinton adminstration and strong-armmed by Janet Reno..

Franco
08-10-2009, 07:45 PM
I'm stayin' out of this one, except to comment on the very unfair comparison and blame above. You're comparing firecrackers to atom bombs! Bad as they were, Betsy, Camille, and Aubrey did NOT breach the levies! That is what resulted in the huge loss of life and property. I don't know who's side I took by saying that, that wasn't the point. There is plenty of blame to go around, from the top down...so nobody has to be left out of Katrina. Did Nagin fail? Yes! Did Blanco fail? Yes! But that's where Mr. Bush had a chance to ride in on his white stallion, and take up the slack, and be a true hero. Instead, he ignored his experts, took some photo ops, and left town.

I don't care who's responsibility it was in the first place, but SOMEBODY should have had potable water dropped in on people PRONTO. It took less than 12 hours after the tsunamis to begin distributing potable water. We looked pathetic in comparison to that. (and we participated in the tsunami relief!) Its no comfort to anyone to see Nagin, Blanco, and Bush in a three-way on tv. That was shameful for republicans, democrats, and anyone else who had anything to do with that CF. Like it or not, when that happens, a true leader takes responsibility. We didn't see that at any level, esp at the top. Crap, I said I was stayin' out. Being involved with the recovery effort, it's hard not to spout a least a little.


Both Betsy and Camille produced major flooding and loss of huge areas of New Orleans. Camille especially wrecked havoc in the earstern parts of the city and did more damage to southwest Mississippi than Katrina. What we didn't have was all the networks with their satellite gear broadcasting all over the world. The network news didn't have helicoptor footage showing folks stranded on thier roofs. Audry was just as bad in 57 and I can remember water everywhere! Audry, Besty and Camile were Cat 5's, Katrina was barely a Cat 3!

In regards to drinking water, that is a city and state responsibility. Both were warned in 02 that this was a high probability. They both ignored it!

P S The U S Coast Guard was evacuating folks within minutes of the huricane passing. Every state law enforcement official with a small flatboard was there right after too. The State National Guard should have been brought in prior to the hurricane but Gov Blanco panicked and could not make decisions. Nagin fled to Dallas for the first 1.5 days after!

tpaschal30
08-10-2009, 07:52 PM
I'm stayin' out of this one, except to comment on the very unfair comparison and blame above. You're comparing firecrackers to atom bombs! Bad as they were, Betsy, Camille, and Aubrey did NOT breach the levies! That is what resulted in the huge loss of life and property. I don't know who's side I took by saying that, that wasn't the point. There is plenty of blame to go around, from the top down...so nobody has to be left out of Katrina. Did Nagin fail? Yes! Did Blanco fail? Yes! But that's where Mr. Bush had a chance to ride in on his white stallion, and take up the slack, and be a true hero. Instead, he ignored his experts, took some photo ops, and left town.

I don't care who's responsibility it was in the first place, but SOMEBODY should have had potable water dropped in on people PRONTO. It took less than 12 hours after the tsunamis to begin distributing potable water. We looked pathetic in comparison to that. (and we participated in the tsunami relief!) Its no comfort to anyone to see Nagin, Blanco, and Bush in a three-way on tv. That was shameful for republicans, democrats, and anyone else who had anything to do with that CF. Like it or not, when that happens, a true leader takes responsibility. We didn't see that at any level, esp at the top. Crap, I said I was stayin' out. Being involved with the recovery effort, it's hard not to spout a least a little.

All those people had their chance to get out. They staued behind to loot. Bush cannot just ride in. Their are Constitutional issues that the liberals never signed authority over on. The feds cannot just ride in. Mississipi was struck very hard as well and had much fewer problems.

dnf777
08-10-2009, 08:41 PM
All those people had their chance to get out. They staued behind to loot. Bush cannot just ride in. Their are Constitutional issues that the liberals never signed authority over on. The feds cannot just ride in. Mississipi was struck very hard as well and had much fewer problems.

Franco,
Storm categories are based on sustained wind velocity. That is not what kills people. Flood waters do. Again, firecrackers to atom bombs.

paschal30,
Easy for you and me to say they had a chance to get out. Do you really think the elderly blacks who have nothing in this world except the shacks they live in, stayed behind to loot? I've never heard anything so inhumane. I've seen those people, and treated them. Many were too proud to even come into a free clinic, except they were carried in. These are people who ran mom-n-pop restaurants (best food in the world), made NOLA jazz, and never made enough money to afford cars or insurance. They trusted God every Sunday as their insurance.

Again, Mississippi suffered mostly wind damage. That's bad enough, but it is flooding, not winds, that kill people and destroy property. Me and anyone else who grew up on the Gulf Coast knows that. I don't mean to be harsh, but anyone who thinks folks stayed behind in order to loot, is very misinformed or just ignorant of the plight of the indigent New Orleanians. I had enough of the DA sitting in Las Vegas while the storm raged, second-guessing those who stayed behind to help, bringing charges against doctors who worked for free, to tolerate anymore bashing of the good people of New Orleans. Enough is enough.

tpaschal30
08-10-2009, 08:46 PM
Franco,
Storm categories are based on sustained wind velocity. That is not what kills people. Flood waters do. Again, firecrackers to atom bombs.

paschal30,
Easy for you and me to say they had a chance to get out. Do you really think the elderly blacks who have nothing in this world except the shacks they live in, stayed behind to loot? I've never heard anything so inhumane. I've seen those people, and treated them. Many were too proud to even come into a free clinic, except they were carried in. These are people who ran mom-n-pop restaurants (best food in the world), made NOLA jazz, and never made enough money to afford cars or insurance. They trusted God every Sunday as their insurance.

Again, Mississippi suffered mostly wind damage. That's bad enough, but it is flooding, not winds, that kill people and destroy property. Me and anyone else who grew up on the Gulf Coast knows that. I don't mean to be harsh, but anyone who thinks folks stayed behind in order to loot, is very misinformed or just ignorant of the plight of the indigent New Orleanians. I had enough of the DA sitting in Las Vegas while the storm raged, second-guessing those who stayed behind to help, bringing charges against doctors who worked for free, to tolerate anymore bashing of the good people of New Orleans. Enough is enough.

Let's see. who had days of warning? Who had schools buses not used?
Local NO government.

Here is some video of the "aged" looting. God gives you the tools to help yourself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RVHDlPqZWE

dnf777
08-10-2009, 08:54 PM
Let's see. who had days of warning? Who had schools buses not used?
Local NO government.

Here is some video of the "aged" looting. God gives you the tools to help yourself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RVHDlPqZWE

Don't need to watch videos. I was there. Were you? Or did you just watch Fox News from the comfort of your livingroom?

Lets just drop this. Unless you see firsthand what those people went through, you're really talking out your a$$. Such lack of human compassion does not encourage discussion.

road kill
08-10-2009, 09:29 PM
Both Betsy and Camille produced major flooding and loss of huge areas of New Orleans. Camille especially wrecked havoc in the earstern parts of the city and did more damage to southwest Mississippi than Katrina. What we didn't have was all the networks with their satellite gear broadcasting all over the world. The network news didn't have helicoptor footage showing folks stranded on thier roofs. Audry was just as bad in 57 and I can remember water everywhere! Audry, Besty and Camile were Cat 5's, Katrina was barely a Cat 3!

In regards to drinking water, that is a city and state responsibility. Both were warned in 02 that this was a high probability. They both ignored it!

P S The U S Coast Guard was evacuating folks within minutes of the huricane passing. Every state law enforcement official with a small flatboard was there right after too. The State National Guard should have been brought in prior to the hurricane but Gov Blanco panicked and could not make decisions. Nagin fled to Dallas for the first 1.5 days after!
If I may, the Coast Guard continued SAR (Search And Rescue) efforts throughout the hurricane where ever they could.
It is their mission and duty, no questions asked.
If I am not mistaken (and I am not) they serve under the Dept of Transportation, a Federal Govt. Agency.

Franco
08-10-2009, 09:50 PM
Franco,
Storm categories are based on sustained wind velocity. That is not what kills people. Flood waters do. Again, firecrackers to atom bombs.

paschal30,
Easy for you and me to say they had a chance to get out. Do you really think the elderly blacks who have nothing in this world except the shacks they live in, stayed behind to loot? I've never heard anything so inhumane. I've seen those people, and treated them. Many were too proud to even come into a free clinic, except they were carried in. These are people who ran mom-n-pop restaurants (best food in the world), made NOLA jazz, and never made enough money to afford cars or insurance. They trusted God every Sunday as their insurance.

Again, Mississippi suffered mostly wind damage. That's bad enough, but it is flooding, not winds, that kill people and destroy property. Me and anyone else who grew up on the Gulf Coast knows that. I don't mean to be harsh, but anyone who thinks folks stayed behind in order to loot, is very misinformed or just ignorant of the plight of the indigent New Orleanians. I had enough of the DA sitting in Las Vegas while the storm raged, second-guessing those who stayed behind to help, bringing charges against doctors who worked for free, to tolerate anymore bashing of the good people of New Orleans. Enough is enough.


Your facts are incorrect. The greatest loss of life was Camille followed by Audry. Katrina edge Betsy by less than 200. 180 mile an hour winds killed many people! Then came the flood waters for all four Hurricanes. The old levees that held in the 60's for Betsy and Camille didn't hold for Katrina's surge which wasn't nearly as large as the surges for the 60's hurricanes. The surges for the 60's topped the levees whereas for Katrina they collapsed in areas.

Again, Blanco should have had the La. National Guard in the city prior to the hurricane. The city was in chaos after with widespread looting and armed thugs shooting at relief workers. It wasn't until the guard was in place and military Huey helicopters had taken thier toll on the armed gangs that the looting, burning and shooting stopped.

The city and state were warned an took no action. Had the state done thier job along with the citry it wouldn't have been the tragedy it was!

dnf777
08-10-2009, 10:04 PM
Your facts are incorrect. The greatest loss of life was Camille followed by Audry. Katrina edge Betsy by less than 200. 180 mile an hour winds killed many people! Then came the flood waters for all four Hurricanes. The old levees that held in the 60's for Betsy and Camille didn't hold for Katrina's surge which wasn't nearly as large as the surges for the 60's hurricanes. The surges for the 60's topped the levees whereas for Katrina they collapsed in areas.

Again, Blanco should have had the La. National Guard in the city prior to the hurricane. The city was in chaos after with widespread looting and armed thugs shooting at relief workers. It wasn't until the guard was in plave and military Huey helicopters had taken thier toll on the armed gangs that we looting, burning and shooting.

The city and state were warned an tok action. Had the state done thier job along with the citry ity wouldn't have been the tragedy it was!

Nothing you said contradicts what I said. My statements are accurate. Look at fatalities from Hurricanes and you'll understand.

You can point political fingers all night. Go ahead. My point is that finger pointing doesn't save lives, action does. And we didn't see it quick enough.

Again, that was a tragedy at many levels. Ultimately, a good leader takes responsibility for things that occur under his watch. It's funny to hear blame placed on city and state officials, when something of this magnitude is obviously of national proportion. MUCH smaller disasters have qualified and benefited from national relief efforts. Like I said earlier, we got potable water to Indonesia quicker than we got it to New Orleans. The handling of Katrina was a national disgrace!

Franco
08-10-2009, 10:10 PM
Nothing you said contradicts what I said. My statements are accurate. Look at fatalities from Hurricanes and you'll understand.

You can point political fingers all night. Go ahead. My point is that finger pointing doesn't save lives, action does. And we didn't see it quick enough.

Again, that was a tragedy at many levels. Ultimately, a good leader takes responsibility for things that occur under his watch. It's funny to hear blame placed on city and state officials, when something of this magnitude is obviously of national proportion. MUCH smaller disasters have qualified and benefited from national relief efforts. Like I said earlier, we got potable water to Indonesia quicker than we got it to New Orleans. The handling of Katrina was a national disgrace!

For nearly three days after Katrina, Gov Blanco would not let FEMA in! She didn't want to give up control and she was having a problem with thinking clearly. It wasn't until the Gov gave permission to enter that the city saw any Federal relief.

Mayor Nagin was completely lost in space. The city had NO plans...none, zip, zero.

dnf777
08-10-2009, 10:25 PM
For nearly three days after Katrina, Gov Blanco would not let FEMA in! She didn't want to give up control and she was having a problem with thinking clearly. It wasn't until the Gov gave permission to enter that the city saw any Federal relief.

Mayor Nagin was completely lost in space. The city had NO plans...none, zip, zero.

Agreed. That's why you need a strong national leader to take action. There is nothing stopping humanitarian relief from being delivered. We can't post troops and quarter troops, but NOTHING stops water, food, and medical aid from being delivered. The states do not have those resources at that scale. We needed a President to step up to the plate, and he failed miserably. When a team loses, its only a real dirtbag coach that gets in front of cameras and blames his players. A real man accepts responsibility, and again, nobody did. He could send troops and bombs half-way around the world, but couldn't order WATER and FOOD to New Orleans?? That was a national disgrace! The rest of the world doesn't know Ray Nagin or Kathleen Blanco, but they did see George W do a fly by in Air Force One as his fellow Americans were dying of dehydration and exposure, and did nothing.

tpaschal30
08-11-2009, 06:36 AM
Don't need to watch videos. I was there. Were you? Or did you just watch Fox News from the comfort of your livingroom?

Lets just drop this. Unless you see firsthand what those people went through, you're really talking out your a$$. Such lack of human compassion does not encourage discussion.

What caused them to go thru what they did? Incompetent local government!!! They are the ones who were inhumane and noncompassionate. The time was there and the tools were there. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. It applies to many who stayed behind. There will always be some who could not get out on their own and on those I have pity. The others made their own bed and still got my charity.

subroc
08-11-2009, 06:50 AM
...but they did see George W do a fly by in Air Force One as his fellow Americans were dying of dehydration and exposure, and did nothing.

left wing pap...

Other than perception, katrina may be the greatest evacuation in the history of mankind. An entire major city was evacuated in a week.

dnf777
08-11-2009, 10:37 AM
left wing pap...

Other than perception, katrina may be the greatest evacuation in the history of mankind. An entire major city was evacuated in a week.

I don't know how to respond to that? If an entire city was evacuated, who were the people who died in the days and weeks following the storm?
I know Pat Roberston blamed the gays in NOLA, but I haven't recieved prime source verification from God on that yet.;)