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dnf777
08-18-2009, 06:06 PM
Hate to name-call, but anyone who would wear a gun, let alone an assault weapon anywhere near a presidential function is a TOTAL MORON! Has nothing to do with Obama or Bush or ANY president, just a total lack of respect and common sense. And besides, they have to know they probably have at least one set of crosshairs on their earhole at all times....I'd hate to have to scratch my a$$ and have a secret service agent mistake that for a draw!

My biggest concern about that, is that its giving a bad image to gun-owning Americans, and is only serving to stir up anti-gun rhetoric in the media, and lord knows we don't need any more of that!

road kill
08-18-2009, 06:09 PM
Hate to name-call, but anyone who would wear a gun, let alone an assault weapon anywhere near a presidential function is a TOTAL MORON! Has nothing to do with Obama or Bush or ANY president, just a total lack of respect and common sense. And besides, they have to know they probably have at least one set of crosshairs on their earhole at all times....I'd hate to have to scratch my a$$ and have a secret service agent mistake that for a draw!

My biggest concern about that, is that its giving a bad image to gun-owning Americans, and is only serving to stir up anti-gun rhetoric in the media, and lord knows we don't need any more of that!
Check this out.....check real close....

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/08/17/obama.protest.rifle/index.html#cnnSTCVideo

Goose
08-18-2009, 06:19 PM
The AR-15 (or whatever it is) was a bit much...even for me:)

Somebody's gonna get shot at one of these things. I wonder if that ACORN dude has ever fired that assault rifle? Hope the Glock guy is fast!

subroc
08-18-2009, 06:28 PM
I fail to see the story here.

I find no earthly reason why it rates attention or worthy of a news story.

No law was broken. It is legal. What warrant this legal activity being reported in the news?

road kill
08-18-2009, 06:29 PM
I fail to see the story here.

I find no earthly reason why it is a story.


Because CNN says it is!!

dnf777
08-18-2009, 07:20 PM
I fail to see the story here.

I find no earthly reason why it rates attention or worthy of a news story.

No law was broken. It is legal. What warrant this legal activity being reported in the news?

Its because there is still an anti-gun movement in this country, and any chance they get to highlight gun-owners as rednecks, morons, or dangerously stupid, they put it all over the news. Realizing that, I would urge these morons not to make their moronocy a public spectacle, by throwing their "legal" fuel on the fire. It serves no purpose other than to make it harder for you and I to explain such behavior to our friends who ask questions about guns.

I always try to conduct myself and portray gun owners as responsible, safety-minded individuals who use good sense about guns ownership. At that, I also staunchly defend my right to carry and own guns. When people ask me how I would justify carrying a semi-auto to a presidential appearance, its really difficult, and basically have to cede the point that there are some idiots who own guns. Not all, but some. And that's who they point tv cameras at, not me and you.

Evan
08-18-2009, 07:30 PM
I fail to see the story here.

I find no earthly reason why it rates attention or worthy of a news story.

No law was broken. It is legal. What warrant this legal activity being reported in the news?And nothing happened, other than a CNN reporter became aploplectic over it. No one was threatened. No one offered to use a firearm.

Stupid? Sure. But, if being stupid is a news story, those guys should have more than enough to report without an hourly update on the Jackson family.

Evan

subroc
08-18-2009, 07:34 PM
dnf777

You’re acting outraged, just as CNN intended. It illustrates, at least to me, that you are driven by left wing outrage. Rather than needing to defend the action, ask them why they are outraged. It appears you believe that gun ownership is a fringe activity or right needing your defense.

tpaschal30
08-18-2009, 07:35 PM
And nothing happened, other than a CNN reporter became aploplectic over it. No one was threatened. No one offered to use a firearm.

Stupid? Sure. But, if being stupid is a news story, those guys should have more than enough to report without an hourly update on the Jackson family.

Evan

CNN should cover the Kardashian's to get a real news story on stupid. Or Biden!

luvalab
08-18-2009, 07:40 PM
Oddity is a time-honored factor in newsworthiness. Two-headed snakes? Forty days with hiccups? World's oldest cat? Ummmm.... Walking around with copious amounts of weapons near a presidential visit?

Odd.

So, we have "odd" and "stupid" (not my word, but I agree with it) demonstrating... well, something.

dnf777
08-18-2009, 07:56 PM
dnf777

Youíre acting outraged, just as CNN intended. It illustrates, at least to me, that you are driven by left wing outrage. Rather than needing to defend the action, ask them why they are outraged. It appears you believe that gun ownership is a fringe activity or right needing your defense.

Come on! Gimme a break! I'm not outraged. I'm a NRA lifer for cryin' out loud. There are many people who are not familiar with guns, and when they see this, it paints a bad picture. I think its perfectly legitimate for someone to ask why you need an AR15 in a crowd, near the president. And its hard to answer, if you wouldn't do such a thing yourself. You can say there's no need to defend that right, but I'd rather persuade someone who's undecided to come to "our side" of the gun control issue, than have them swayed by CNN, and those loonies make it harder to do.

Also, out of respect and courtesy to the law-enforcement officers charged with protecting the president and the public, I would not carry a weapon to such a function. They don't know if you're a good law-abiding citizen, or another dude like the LAFitness shooter in Pittsburgh, and will need to dedicate eyes on you, rather than scanning the crowd.

subroc
08-18-2009, 09:16 PM
NRA lifer doesn't make anyone a believer in the second amendment at least in my eyes. BTW, I am as well...for the last 25+ years.

When one protests, letís say abortion, they carry signs whether they are pro life or pro abortion, their sign states their position. In this case, the legal firearm, acted as a sign illustrating the second amendment and gun rights. I expect at a rally or protest that involved obama there was likely many left wingers that have never actually seen a firearm in real life. Their entire view of firearms could actually be movies and left wing propaganda. A leap, I know, but in this case, the secret service paid the incident little interest. They asked the armed citizen a few questions while he was acting in a legal manner as a citizen. When satisfied, they moved on. You should continue to keep this issue alive. This is just what cnn wants you to do. Maybe you could attend an anti-gun rally armed with you NRA life member card. Divide and conquer, it looks like cnn got just what they wanted

Buzz
08-18-2009, 09:43 PM
This behavior is damaging to the gun rights lobby.

The majority of Americans live in cities, have never hunted, and never owned or fired a gun. Carrying a gun and a sign about watering the tree of liberty isn't going to endear them the concept of gun rights.

subroc
08-18-2009, 09:52 PM
This behavior is damaging to the gun rights lobby.

The majority of Americans live in cities, have never hunted, and never owned or fired a gun. Carrying a gun and a sign about watering the tree of liberty isn't going to endear them the concept of gun rights.

Nor is it going to hurt the cause. Those that you speak of, have already made up their mind.

dnf777
08-19-2009, 05:58 AM
NRA lifer doesn't make anyone a believer in the second amendment at least in my eyes. BTW, I am as well...for the last 25+ years.

When one protests, letís say abortion, they carry signs whether they are pro life or pro abortion, their sign states their position. In this case, the legal firearm, acted as a sign illustrating the second amendment and gun rights. I expect at a rally or protest that involved obama there was likely many left wingers that have never actually seen a firearm in real life. Their entire view of firearms could actually be movies and left wing propaganda. A leap, I know, but in this case, the secret service paid the incident little interest. They asked the armed citizen a few questions while he was acting in a legal manner as a citizen. When satisfied, they moved on. You should continue to keep this issue alive. This is just what cnn wants you to do. Maybe you could attend an anti-gun rally armed with you NRA life member card. Divide and conquer, it looks like cnn got just what they wanted

Whatever. My life is complete without having to convince you of anything.
If you think the secret service "asked a few questions and moved on" you're fooling yourself! I can't even respond to that. :roll:

I didn't start this thread to have my dedication to gun rights questioned. YOU, SIR, are a bigger threat to gun rights with your attitude than the largely impotent democratic politicians who are now largely aquiescent on the issue. They have learned its safer to be quiet, and let the lunatic fringe of the pro-gun movement do their talking for them. Such as carrying a para-military weapon to a presidential function. Like Evan said, its stupid!

Hew
08-19-2009, 06:26 AM
This behavior is damaging to the gun rights lobby.
As a Democrat voter, since when did that start to bother you? :p

dnf777
08-19-2009, 06:51 AM
As a Democrat voter, since when did that start to bother you? :p

Hew,
IMHO, one of the biggest mistakes the republicans made over the past decade or so, is to alienate many of the moderates of their own party, as well as the conservative democrats, or Reagan democrats. Here in western Pa, there are still alot of old union steelworkers and coalminers who are life-long hunters and outdoorsmen who could have helped tremendously, but were labeled and ran out of the party. NOt all would vote republican, granted, but maybe in local elections, senate races, etc... My feeling was the republicans were more on a mission of EXCLUSION, than inclusion and tolerance, in post clinton era. HOpefully that's changing now.:2c:

Hew
08-19-2009, 07:28 AM
Hew,
IMHO, one of the biggest mistakes the republicans made over the past decade or so, is to alienate many of the moderates of their own party, as well as the conservative democrats, or Reagan democrats. Right. What better way to alienate moderates than to have a moderate Republican as president and a bunch of GOP Congressmen who spent money like Democrats? Bush's domestic agenda was not conservative. His foreign policy might be considered so, but then, what has Obama changed? We're still in Iraq. He upped the ante in A-Stan. We still render prisoners to thirdworld countries. There's not a dime's bit of difference in the Patriot Act. Gitmo is still open. We deny prisoners "rights" at Bagram. Here in western Pa, there are still alot of old union steelworkers and coalminers who are life-long hunters and outdoorsmen who could have helped tremendously, but were labeled and ran out of the party. What chased them out of the party? The far-right draconian domestic agenda? LMAO. I suspect there are a lot more Republicans that got fed up with the party because it wasn't conservative enough than there are union steelworkers and coalminers who left because it was too conservative. NOt all would vote republican, granted, but maybe in local elections, senate races, etc... My feeling was the republicans were more on a mission of EXCLUSION, than inclusion and tolerance, in post clinton era. HOpefully that's changing now.:2c: Far and away more Americans consider themselves "conservative" than any other political label. I'm confident that if the GOP returns to its principles of the 80s/90s that they can win elections at every level. But if being "inclusive" and "tolerant" means that the GOP should accept elements of a socialized healthcare system or denounce a man exercising his 2nd Ammendment rights then I couldn't care less if union steelworkers, coalminers and left-leaning doctors from PA ever vote for the party again and we never win another election.

..............

dnf777
08-19-2009, 07:46 AM
" But if being "inclusive" and "tolerant" means that the GOP should accept elements of a socialized healthcare system or denounce a man exercising his 2nd Ammendment rights then I couldn't care less if union steelworkers, coalminers and left-leaning doctors from PA ever vote for the party again and we never win another election. "

Case in point. If those exact groups you mentioned would have voted the way they did in the 80s, McCain would be president mostl likely.

I do agree with your first part of the post. Nothing has changed. Perhaps the truth is that corporations and SIGs have our government by the short hairs, and even when people exercise their voice and vote for change.....it doesn't happen. Seems like both sides of the aisle are unhappy, and the machine in the middle just keeps on rollin'.

oh, and about denouncing that idiot for bringing his gun....I do so because I could not be more RIGHT leaning on gun rights. If I were anti-gun, I would be jumping for joy that his type are fanning the flames and giving gun owners a bad image. It's like Obama and the world leaders sitting down to a 10-course state dinner to discuss world hunger. Legal, but stupid! Bad image.

dnf777
08-19-2009, 07:50 AM
" Far and away more Americans consider themselves "conservative" than any other political label. "

I've seen that number all over the range of results, but assuming it is true, why then do only 23% of Americans admit to calling themselves republican???

That would tell me that the party has done a HORRIBLE job of including the "majority" of those who consider themselves conservative. Where did these people go? As one of them, I can tell you I'm an independent. Not because the democrats lured me away, but the recent policies and intolerances and exclusionary tactics pused me away. I'll be glad to give my vote where I feel it best serves America, whether its a dem or republican, or neither.