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ducknwork
08-25-2009, 10:38 AM
It seems that it is not okay to voice your opinion if you have something bad (no matter how truthful) to say about the chosen one. Damn that first ammendment!

http://tv.yahoo.com/news/article/tv-news.en.ap.org/tv-news.en.ap.org-20090824-us_tv_beck_s_advertisers
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Roger Perry
08-25-2009, 10:59 AM
It seems that it is not okay to voice your opinion if you have something bad (no matter how truthful) to say about the chosen one. Damn that first ammendment!

http://tv.yahoo.com/news/article/tv-news.en.ap.org/tv-news.en.ap.org-20090824-us_tv_beck_s_advertisers

Attack on Obama riles Beck's advertisers

By DAVID BAUDER, AP Television Writer Mon Aug 24, 7:17 AM PDT

Probably because of all the false information the right wing wackos are putting out.

Death panels: Another myth that won't die


Over breakfast at my local eatery this weekend, an argument erupted at a nearby table over "death panels" and the ravings of former Alaska governor and Presidential wannabe Sarah Palin.
"Obama wants to decide who lives and who dies," an elderly woman said, her voice quaking. "The government will kill people."
Her friend tried to calm her down but she wasn't buying.
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/19290

ducknwork
08-25-2009, 11:09 AM
What do death panels have to do with Obama having a bit a racism in him? (put lightly on purpose)

And why is it not OK for Beck to voice his opinion without backlash? The blacks have made this entire circus about color and they want to say there is nothing racist about it? Give me a break.:-x
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ducknwork
08-25-2009, 11:14 AM
Here is a quote from the colorofchange.org (the group trying to shut Beck up).


Stop Glenn Beck's race baiting

Fox's Glenn Beck recently said President Obama is "a racist" and has a "deep-seated hatred for white people." Beck is on a campaign to convince the American public that President Obama's agenda is about serving the needs of Black communities at White people's expense. It's repulsive, divisive and shouldn't be on the air.
Join us in calling on Beck's advertisers to stop sponsoring his show.


? Add your voice now!

Of course it should be on the air. That is what the first ammendment is all about. It doesn't say that we have the freedom of speech as long as nobody is offended.

Perhaps they just don't want the truth exposed...
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ducknwork
08-25-2009, 11:19 AM
From my article:


One company, CVS Caremark, said it advertises on Fox but hadn't said anything about Beck. Now it has told its advertising agency to inform Fox that it wanted no commercials on Beck.

"We support vigorous debate, especially around policy issues that affect millions of Americans, but we expect it to be informed, inclusive and respectful," said spokeswoman Carolyn Castel.



I guess they didn't advertise during any show that was extremely disrespectful of Palin's family and especially her children during the election, did they? I bet they did, except there was no big hoopla in the news about it because she's white...
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Roger Perry
08-25-2009, 11:39 AM
From my article:



I guess they didn't advertise during any show that was extremely disrespectful of Palin's family and especially her children during the election, did they? I bet they did, except there was no big hoopla in the news about it because she's white...

Obama is half white! so why would the right wing wacko call him a racist?

After all, Beck still hase some advertisers.
Some of his show's advertisers last week included a male enhancement pill, a law firm looking to sue on behalf of asbestos victims, a company selling medical supplies to diabetics and a water filter company.

Roger Perry
08-25-2009, 11:48 AM
What do death panels have to do with Obama having a bit a racism in him? (put lightly on purpose)

And why is it not OK for Beck to voice his opinion without backlash? The blacks have made this entire circus about color and they want to say there is nothing racist about it? Give me a break.:-x

Obama is half white! Where is the proof that Obama is racist? Just because Glen Beck, Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh lable him a racist doesn't make it so.

At least Beck has some advertisers left:
Some of his show's advertisers last week included a male enhancement pill, a law firm looking to sue on behalf of asbestos victims, a company selling medical supplies to diabetics and a water filter company.

TXduckdog
08-25-2009, 12:10 PM
Obama is half white! Where is the proof that Obama is racist? Just because Glen Beck, Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh lable him a racist doesn't make it so.

At least Beck has some advertisers left:
Some of his show's advertisers last week included a male enhancement pill, a law firm looking to sue on behalf of asbestos victims, a company selling medical supplies to diabetics and a water filter company.

What the hell does Obama being half white have to do with anything? He claims to be black and spouts the traditional black racist sentiments, only when he's with a black audience, mind you.

Personally, the only label that I'm concerned with when it comes to Obama is INCOMPETENT. Well, you might add FASCIST to that.

Fascism......(1) a political philosophy, movement, or regime....(NOTICE THE PROGRESSION), that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation and forceful suppression of opposition; (2) a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control.

Any of this sound or look familiar when you consider the current congress or administration?

Bob Gutermuth
08-25-2009, 12:16 PM
Thanks to the kool aid drinkers for turning me on to Glen Beck!

YardleyLabs
08-25-2009, 12:21 PM
The only difference I see between Beck and the bigots I grew up with as a child is that Beck seem to leave his white robes at home. While I believe that race permeates almost everything in our country, I think Obama is one of the least racist people I have ever seen in a public position. Beck is one of the most racist. I have no problem with anyone criticizing Obama or his policies. However, when you (a generic you unless the shoe fits) have trouble making a comment about Obama without calling him Obongo or Osama or commenting on his color, his "claimed" religion, or his place of birth, then the problem is not his color or racial views in my opinion, but yours. If Obama were white, none of those would be raised as issues.

Raymond Little
08-25-2009, 01:12 PM
[quote=YardleyLabs;489914]The only difference I see between Beck and the bigots I grew up with as a child is that Beck seem to leave his white robes at home. While I believe that race permeates almost everything in our country, I think Obama is one of the least racist people I have ever seen in a public position. Beck is one of the most racist. I have no problem with anyone criticizing Obama or his policies. However, when you (a generic you unless the shoe fits) have trouble making a comment about Obama without calling him Obongo or Osama or commenting on his color, his "claimed" religion, or his place of birth, then the problem is not his color or racial views in my opinion, but yours. If Obama were white, none of those would be raised as issues.[/quote

You are so right Jeff, if Obango was white he would have never been "Elected".;)

Darker the Berry Regards

YardleyLabs
08-25-2009, 02:03 PM
The only difference I see between Beck and the bigots I grew up with as a child is that Beck seem to leave his white robes at home. While I believe that race permeates almost everything in our country, I think Obama is one of the least racist people I have ever seen in a public position. Beck is one of the most racist. I have no problem with anyone criticizing Obama or his policies. However, when you (a generic you unless the shoe fits) have trouble making a comment about Obama without calling him Obongo or Osama or commenting on his color, his "claimed" religion, or his place of birth, then the problem is not his color or racial views in my opinion, but yours. If Obama were white, none of those would be raised as issues.

You are so right Jeff, if Obango was white he would have never been "Elected".;)

Darker the Berry Regards

I don't see a lot to suggest that being black makes it easier to win election either in statewide or national elections. Most believe that Obama would have won by an additional 4-6% had he been white. That doesn't mean no one voted for him because he was black, many did. Even more voted against him because he was black. Obama won a majority of the votes in every major demographic group except white males. Go figure. I believe that reflects something good about how far our country has come since I was a kid and that it also reflects how well Obama reached out to speak to people of all colors and classes. Obviously the fact that Obama was running against the Party that brought us GWB helped as well.

code3retrievers
08-25-2009, 02:09 PM
If Obama were white, none of those would be raised as issues.

Once again Jeff you are wrong. If he was white and was raised a muslim for a short period and was campaigning after we were attacked by muslims it sure would have been brought up.

He is attacked for his radical political views (socialist) and his advisors and friends he has chosen to surrounded himself with.

Bush was attacked for the same reason (oil men). Every problem Bush dealt with was related back to his oil ties (war in Iraq, environmental, global warming, energy policy, and gas prices) If you surround yourself with advisors that people do not trust, you will be questioned. Thats not being racist!

You folks evoked the race card during Katrina. The people were told to leave and they did not. They had a plan and chose not follow it. (stupid) Then expected the Feds to come and clean up the mess.
Nothing racist there, but did not stop the left from playing the card.
We were told we were being racist when people were condemning the looting that was going on. It was actually called following the law.

Look at some of the "whites" on the right. The left was bringing up one candidate's Mormon religion as well as one or two being Christians. Calling them racists just because of their religion or skin color. Palin was called a racist because she did not have people of color in her state government. Guess what there are not many blacks in Alaska, but that did not matter. McCain was questioned about being an American citizen by the left because he was born in Panama to a US servicemen, guess what he was white.
Stop claiming it is all about race. Is that the only hot button issue the left has.
If your leader fails you will blame it on the racist right. You see it every day on the health care debate.
The left has a history of trying to keep minorities depended on welfare (Jesse Jackson) and the government so they can have their votes.
The only ones that are still using race as a weapon is the few nut jobs (KKK) and the self-hating, guilt ridden left.

Get over it.

Hew
08-25-2009, 02:23 PM
Most believe that Obama would have won by an additional 4-6% had he been white. That doesn't mean no one voted for him because he was black, many did. Even more voted against him because he was black.
I recall some polls before the election that suggested that there were some democrats who wouldn't pull the lever for a black man. I don't recall any polls afterwards that indicated Obama would have received sufficient votes to up his margin by 5% had he been white. A 5% vote swing is statistically HUGE. I ain't buyin'.

There were 5 million more voters in the 2008 than the 2004 election. The white vote in '08 remained stagnant from '04. Nearly the entire 5 million additional voters were minority (blacks, hispanics and asians). Who do you think the vast majority voted for?

Buzz
08-25-2009, 02:26 PM
Here is a quote from the colorofchange.org (the group trying to shut Beck up).



Of course it should be on the air. That is what the first ammendment is all about. It doesn't say that we have the freedom of speech as long as nobody is offended.

Perhaps they just don't want the truth exposed...

The first amendment gives Glenn Beck the right to say whatever he wants, but it doesn't require advertisers to help pay his salary by running ads during his show or on the network that employs him.

Hew
08-25-2009, 02:28 PM
Stop claiming it is all about race. Is that the only hot button issue the left has.
If your leader fails you will blame it on the racist right. You see it every day on the health care debate.
Exactly. The left wasn't saying sh!t about racism until the bloom started to fall off Obama's rose, then it's back to their old stand-by...racial and class divisiveness. Really, is anyone surprised?

Buzz
08-25-2009, 02:35 PM
Exactly. The left wasn't saying sh!t about racism until the bloom started to fall off Obama's rose, then it's back to their old stand-by...racial and class divisiveness. Really, is anyone surprised?

The liberals didn't force Beck to say that Obama has a deep seated hatred of white people. Yup, his mom was white, and the grandparents that raised him were white. So, I can definitely see why he would hate white people...

Raymond Little
08-25-2009, 02:38 PM
I don't see a lot to suggest that being black makes it easier to win election either in statewide or national elections. Most believe that Obama would have won by an additional 4-6% had he been white. That doesn't mean no one voted for him because he was black, many did. Even more voted against him because he was black. Obama won a majority of the votes in every major demographic group except white males. Go figure. I believe that reflects something good about how far our country has come since I was a kid and that it also reflects how well Obama reached out to speak to people of all colors and classes. Obviously the fact that Obama was running against the Party that brought us GWB helped as well.

Can you cite your source Jeff? Oh, I should know the Huffington Post.:rolleyes:

Hew
08-25-2009, 02:39 PM
The first amendment gives Glenn Beck the right to say whatever he wants, but it doesn't require advertisers to help pay his salary by running ads during his show or on the network that employs him.
Exactly. Boycott away. I'm taking note of who boycotts Beck and then I'll boycott them (and let them know). I'll also make a shopping run to Whole Foods store this weekend (for the first time ever) to help offset the money they've lost from the union, socialist and lefty-organized boycott of them because the CEO had the audacity to write an op-ed against Obamacare. Boycotts are the American way. I haven't eaten at Arby's in about 8 years since reading that they contribute heavily and exclusively to liberal politicians and liberal special interest groups. And I used to loves me some potato cakes, too. :(

ducknwork
08-25-2009, 02:39 PM
The first amendment gives Glenn Beck the right to say whatever he wants, but it doesn't require advertisers to help pay his salary by running ads during his show or on the network that employs him.

The first amendment gives him the right to be on the air and speak his mind. Why is there a black power group calling for him to be off the air? Are they not trying to infringe on his rights? If they don't like it, don't watch it. They can't control (at least until Comrade Obama say so) who says what and who they say it about.

Before anyone says that they are not trying to get him off the air, here is a quote from the original article:



ColorofChange.org quickly targeted companies whose ads had appeared during Beck's show, telling them what he had said and seeking a commitment to drop him. The goal is to make Beck a liability, said James Rucker, the organization's executive director.

"They have a toxic asset," Rucker said. "They can either clean it up or get rid of it."

Basically, he says Beck must be silenced or taken off the air.

1st ammendment regards,

ducknwork
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Cody Covey
08-25-2009, 03:04 PM
i have a few friends here that i used to play basketball with, All three brothers half black half mexican and guess what they all say they hate mexicans...they don't seem to hate their mother though. Kind of odd to you guys i guess. There was also the supervisor at a warehouse i worked at a few years back who was hispanic that was married to a white women but if you asked anyone in the warehouse they would tell you that he doesn't like white folk. It happens. Just because Obama has white family doesn't mean that he doesn't not like the rest of the population.

Jeff I actually agree with you that Obama doesn't deserve to be called names but that doesn't change the fact of his views of other races are somewhat less then noble. He went to a church for 20 years that is all about how horrible the white race is. A black man gets arrested for being drunk and beligerant and the arresting officer is called stupid or an idiot can't remember which. Not to mention that he basically calls us a bunch of hicks clinging to guns and religion.

YardleyLabs
08-25-2009, 03:07 PM
Once again Jeff you are wrong. If he was white and was raised a muslim for a short period and was campaigning after we were attacked by muslims it sure would have been brought up.

This is where bigotry starts since there is no evidence that Obama was ever raised a Muslim. While living in Indonesia, a predominantly Muslim country, he attended both predominantly Muslim and predominantly Catholic schools. He returned to the US to live with his grandmother when he was about 11 and attended public schools. His mother was secular and provided no religious training as such. My son was raised in a secular household but attended a Quaker school beginning in 10th grade where he regularly attended Quaker services. I don't think anyone would say he was raised a Quaker. If you want to know why efforts were made to label Obama as a Muslim, one only has to look at polls showing that 61% of Americans say they would never vote for a Muslim (vs. 60% saying they would never vote for an atheist and 43% who would not vote for a Mormon).




He is attacked for his radical political views (socialist) and his advisors and friends he has chosen to surrounded himself with.


How radical are his views when the majority of the electorate votes to elect him President?



You folks evoked the race card during Katrina. The people were told to leave and they did not. They had a plan and chose not follow it. (stupid) Then expected the Feds to come and clean up the mess.
Nothing racist there, but did not stop the left from playing the card.
We were told we were being racist when people were condemning the looting that was going on. It was actually called following the law.


Actually the problem with race following Katrina was simple: what everyone saw on TV was that the people left behind were almost exclusively black people. The "plan" that was there called for everyone to evacuate but assumed they would use cars that the poorer residents didn't have. Instead, those people were sent to the stadium only to be greeted with a scene resembling The Night of the Living Dead. Those that tried to walk out of town were greeted by road blocks manned, coincidentally I'm sure, by people who were almost exclusively white. These are the scenes that made people think that race might have played a role, not the "lefties".



Look at some of the "whites" on the right. The left was bringing up one candidate's Mormon religion as well as one or two being Christians.


It seems to me that Romney's problems came from the right, not the left. 43% of conservatives and 53% of evangelical Christians said they would never vote for a Mormon (http://legacy.rasmussenreports.com/MembersOnly/2006%20Dailies/November%202006/Nov%2015-16%20%28importance%20of%20faith%29.htm) Romney ran 4th among Republicans. That was not because he was being attacked by the left.


McCain was questioned about being an American citizen by the left because he was born in Panama to a US servicemen, guess what he was white.

Actually, the only comments I saw about that were from people noting how much attention was being given to attacking Obama's qualifications as a citizen despite the overwhelming evidence of his birth in Hawaii, while none was being given to McCain's qualifications despite his birth outside of the country. Where were the lawsuits and outrage challenging his status as a citizen?



Stop claiming it is all about race. Is that the only hot button issue the left has.


Actually, virtually every discussion I have seen concerning race and racism and the Presidency has come from conservatives attacking Obama as a racist and those who voted for him as racists who only voted for him because he was black. This thread is a case in point. I was responding to posts saying how racist it was for advertisers to drop sponsorship for Beck after he called the President a racist. Those posts then went on to say that advertisers weren't upset about shows critical of Palin because Palin is white and a comment that Obama "claims to be black and spouts the traditional black racist sentiments", among others. When I challenge this, I become the one "playing the race card." The race card was and is on the table. I wasn't the one who put it there.

Cody Covey
08-25-2009, 03:17 PM
Jeff you (until this thread) and many other liberals...including Pres. Obama himself have yet to claim that people are racist and any criticism of Obama is racist. But most of the liberals have. Can you please site where Glen Beck is racist. Not a criticism of Obama or his policies but where he is outright racists. Is it safe to say since you criticized Bush that you are a racist against whites? It's not the same and its getting very tiresome that anytime someone disagrees with your sides point its because of racism.

Bob Gutermuth
08-25-2009, 03:42 PM
Let me get this straight, its OK for armed black panthers to intimidate voters at a polling place but its not ok to call some politician a racist.

code3retrievers
08-25-2009, 04:08 PM
This is where bigotry starts since there is no evidence that Obama was ever raised a Muslim. While living in Indonesia, a predominantly Muslim country, he attended both predominantly Muslim and predominantly Catholic schools. He returned to the US to live with his grandmother when he was about 11 and attended public schools. His mother was secular and provided no religious training as such. My son was raised in a secular household but attended a Quaker school beginning in 10th grade where he regularly attended Quaker services. I don't think anyone would say he was raised a Quaker. If you want to know why efforts were made to label Obama as a Muslim, one only has to look at polls showing that 61% of Americans say they would never vote for a Muslim (vs. 60% saying they would never vote for an atheist and 43% who would not vote for a Mormon).

It is a fact that Obama's father was a Muslim (maybe a nonpracticing one but he was born into that faith) as such Obama was born into that faith and his school in Indonesia stated he was such on his application. Enough said.

How radical are his views when the majority of the electorate votes to elect him President?

You know as well as I that the American public was ready for any change. He has surrounded himself with the far left fringe his entire life and has stated that himself.


Actually the problem with race following Katrina was simple: what everyone saw on TV was that the people left behind were almost exclusively black people. The "plan" that was there called for everyone to evacuate but assumed they would use cars that the poorer residents didn't have. Instead, those people were sent to the stadium only to be greeted with a scene resembling The Night of the Living Dead. Those that tried to walk out of town were greeted by road blocks manned, coincidentally I'm sure, by people who were almost exclusively white. These are the scenes that made people think that race might have played a role, not the "lefties".

The buses were there waiting to take people out. The black mayor failed to do his job and then blamed the feds. Lets put blame where it belongs.



It seems to me that Romney's problems came from the right, not the left. 43% of conservatives and 53% of evangelical Christians said they would never vote for a Mormon (http://legacy.rasmussenreports.com/MembersOnly/2006%20Dailies/November%202006/Nov%2015-16%20%28importance%20of%20faith%29.htm) Romney ran 4th among Republicans. That was not because he was being attacked by the left.

Come on I saw several hit pieces from the left stating that Romney's church was racist.


Actually, the only comments I saw about that were from people noting how much attention was being given to attacking Obama's qualifications as a citizen despite the overwhelming evidence of his birth in Hawaii, while none was being given to McCain's qualifications despite his birth outside of the country. Where were the lawsuits and outrage challenging his status as a citizen?

The left could not bring lawsuits do to that fact it would call unwanted attention to Obama's issues.



Actually, virtually every discussion I have seen concerning race and racism and the Presidency has come from conservatives attacking Obama as a racist and those who voted for him as racists who only voted for him because he was black. This thread is a case in point. I was responding to posts saying how racist it was for advertisers to drop sponsorship for Beck after he called the President a racist. Those posts then went on to say that advertisers weren't upset about shows critical of Palin because Palin is white and a comment that Obama "claims to be black and spouts the traditional black racist sentiments", among others. When I challenge this, I become the one "playing the race card." The race card was and is on the table. I wasn't the one who put it there.

Your points support the racist card so you are helping play the race card

Roger Perry
08-25-2009, 04:16 PM
What the hell does Obama being half white have to do with anything? He claims to be black and spouts the traditional black racist sentiments, only when he's with a black audience, mind you.

Personally, the only label that I'm concerned with when it comes to Obama is INCOMPETENT. Well, you might add FASCIST to that.

Fascism......(1) a political philosophy, movement, or regime....(NOTICE THE PROGRESSION), that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation and forceful suppression of opposition; (2) a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control.


Any of this sound or look familiar when you consider the current congress or administration?

Yea that sounds real familiar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvUEsm0wNIA

Roger Perry
08-25-2009, 04:37 PM
The first amendment gives him the right to be on the air and speak his mind. Why is there a black power group calling for him to be off the air? Are they not trying to infringe on his rights? If they don't like it, don't watch it. They can't control (at least until Comrade Obama say so) who says what and who they say it about.

Before anyone says that they are not trying to get him off the air, here is a quote from the original article:



Basically, he says Beck must be silenced or taken off the air.


1st ammendment regards,

ducknwork

And how about all the people that wanted Letterman taken off the air when he made a joke about palin's daughter. (which I think was an uncalled for remark by the way)

Meanwhile Tuesday afternoon, Firedavidletterman.com the online group behind the protest said it had received over 30,000 pledges to boycott products from companies that advertise on Letterman's show.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,526684,00.html

Or the people that wanted to boycott letterman advertisers:

Thursday, 11 June 2009
Boycott Letterman and his advertisers (http://wyblog.us/blog/boycott-letterman)

My post (http://wyblog.us/blog/rants/david-letterman-piece-of-shit) on David Letterman being an absolute piece of excrement is collecting a lot of Google and Yahoo hits on "boycott Letterman" and "boycott Letterman's advertisers". Yes, I am suggesting that we should all boycott CBS and Letterman's advertisers. Apparently I am not alone.

http://wyblog.us/blog/boycott-letterman

Roger Perry
08-25-2009, 04:43 PM
I am amazed at all the racism I see on here ever since Obama ran for and became President of the United States.

ducknwork
08-25-2009, 04:48 PM
Let me get this straight, its OK for armed black panthers to intimidate voters at a polling place but its not ok to call some politician a racist.

Yep, you got it right.
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ducknwork
08-25-2009, 04:49 PM
And how about all the people that wanted Letterman taken off the air when he made a joke about palin's daughter. (which I think was an uncalled for remark by the way)

Meanwhile Tuesday afternoon, Firedavidletterman.com ? the online group behind the protest ? said it had received over 30,000 pledges to boycott products from companies that advertise on Letterman's show.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,526684,00.html

Or the people that wanted to boycott letterman advertisers:

Thursday, 11 June 2009
Boycott Letterman and his advertisers (http://wyblog.us/blog/boycott-letterman)

My post (http://wyblog.us/blog/rants/david-letterman-piece-of-shit) on David Letterman being an absolute piece of excrement is collecting a lot of Google and Yahoo hits on "boycott Letterman" and "boycott Letterman's advertisers". Yes, I am suggesting that we should all boycott CBS and Letterman's advertisers. Apparently I am not alone.

http://wyblog.us/blog/boycott-letterman

Oh yeah-I forgot! Two wrongs make a right!

Forget this thread, what was I thinking...
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ducknwork
08-25-2009, 04:54 PM
It seems that it is not okay to voice your opinion if you have something bad (no matter how truthful) to say about the chosen one. Damn that first ammendment!

http://tv.yahoo.com/news/article/tv-news.en.ap.org/tv-news.en.ap.org-20090824-us_tv_beck_s_advertisers


This thread is a case in point. I was responding to posts saying how racist it was for advertisers to drop sponsorship for Beck after he called the President a racist. Those posts then went on to say that advertisers weren't upset about shows critical of Palin because Palin is white and a comment that Obama "claims to be black and spouts the traditional black racist sentiments", among others. When I challenge this, I become the one "playing the race card." The race card was and is on the table. I wasn't the one who put it there.

Actually, you must have got distracted because this thread was about the first ammendment.
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Cody Covey
08-25-2009, 05:06 PM
I am amazed at all the racism I see on here ever since Obama ran for and became President of the United States.

Please go ahead and do a search and provide actual links...

not holding my breathe regards...

YardleyLabs
08-25-2009, 05:14 PM
Actually, you must have got distracted because this thread was about the first ammendment.
It may have started that way, but then you and Tex decided to play the "race card".

The first amendment, by the way, says that the government will not impede rights of free speech. Advertisers have never been subject to that requirement and have imposed their own standards of decency on the programs they support since the earliest days of broadcasting. No first amendment rights are involved. Many here are quick to point out that calls for fairness and balance in broadcasting are nothing more or less than a leftist effort to impose limits on Rush. FOX, and the other true believers. I have no problem with Beck broadcasting his meandering mindless musings, and I have no problem with people that choose to listen. I also have no problem with people who refuse to purchase products from his advertisers and no problem if his show is canceled for lack of financial support and he is forced to do something else to earn his minimum wage of $30 million/year. All of those activities are consistent with the first amendment and crocodile tears do not impress me.

Roger Perry
08-25-2009, 05:26 PM
Please go ahead and do a search and provide actual links...

not holding my breathe regards...

Don't need to provide links. The racist know who they are.

Cody Covey
08-25-2009, 05:39 PM
Literally laughing out loud at that Roger thank you for proving you have no idea what you are talking about. Oops that must be a racist comment. Wait i don't know your race...

Gerry Clinchy
08-25-2009, 05:47 PM
I think Obama is one of the least racist people I have ever seen in a public position.

I'm not so sure of that. If he is 1/2 white and 1/2 black, why does he choose to mostly refer to himself as an African-American?

And he definitely played the color card in his campaign.

And he was quick to call the Cambridge police stupid, before he knew all the facts (by his own admission).

And, yes, I actually know somebody who voted for O and cited to me that McCain was not a US citizen because he was born in Panama. If one person had that influence them, there are likely others.

I would agree that the advertisers are free to pull their ads. The organized group that encouraged them is also entitled to free speech.

After all have had their chance to speak, we make our decision as to who may be most accurate in their view.

TXduckdog
08-25-2009, 06:12 PM
Yea that sounds real familiar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvUEsm0wNIA



Roger......you're as looney as a $2 bill......surely your posting that video was tongue in cheek....if not you are drinking some serious kool-aid.

Anybody in their right mind can see that context was in jest.

TXduckdog
08-25-2009, 06:16 PM
It may have started that way, but then you and Tex decided to play the "race card".




Are you referring to me? WHAT race card?

Explain how you think Beck is one of the most racist people you've ever seen?

Cody Covey
08-25-2009, 06:38 PM
doesn't need to apparently because Beck KNOWS he racist lol

getting very tired of white people that disagree with Obama being racist regards

dnf777
08-25-2009, 07:32 PM
Here is a quote from the colorofchange.org (the group trying to shut Beck up).



Of course it should be on the air. That is what the first ammendment is all about. It doesn't say that we have the freedom of speech as long as nobody is offended.

Perhaps they just don't want the truth exposed...

I agree with you 100%. Beck has the right to say what he wants, short of yelling "fire" in a movie theatre. But its not government censorship if enough people are turned off by him that they write or quit patronizing his sponsors, and they decide to pull the plug on him. That's the people exercising their rights to buy or not to buy from his sponsors.

This is the same as when Imus made the comments about the girls basketball team. (which I don't think he intended as racist, but public opinion said otherwise)

If Beck gets canned because the free market spoke out, and can no longer justify his airtime based on market analysis, that's America.

YardleyLabs
08-25-2009, 07:44 PM
Are you referring to me? WHAT race card?

Explain how you think Beck is one of the most racist people you've ever seen?


On Beck:

"This guy [Obama] has exposed himself over and over again as a man with a deep seated hatred of white people and the white culture"

when it's pointed ot that Obama surrounds himself with white people Beck says,

"I'm not saying he doesn't like white people. I'm saying he has a problem..This guy is a racist."


Beck repeatedly referred to "reparations" while discussing Obama's "universal program." Beck stated that "just in case the universalness of the program doesn't somehow or another quench his reparation appetite, he's making sure to do his part to pay the debt in the other areas. Written in the first 1,000-plus-page bill -- that nobody's going to read before they vote on it -- is a provision in this health care bill that says a medical school or other health-related institution pursued a grant or other contract from the government, they would have to prove their inclusiveness to minorities." [Fox News' Glenn Beck, 7/23/09]

"His goal is creating a new America, a new model, a model that will settle old racial scores through new social justice." Beck also commented, "Obama is no dummy. He knows that you would never pass reparations. He knows you would never pass any of this stuff. This is all affirmative action." Earlier, he said, "[T]his is what he said on the campaign trail -- he's not for reparations because they don't go far enough. We need health care. We need everybody to go to college, et cetera, et cetera. So, we have no reparations. We also have no capitalism, which leads him, in his mind, to justice -- to justice. That is what we're changing to." [Fox News' Glenn Beck, 7/23/09]

"This man [Obama] is putting through reparations times 10." Beck also asked, "Who'd receive the money? All blacks, or just those directly descended from slaves? Would Barack Obama?" Beck later added, "Wait a minute. His father was not a descendent of slaves, and his mother was white. So maybe Michelle Obama would be the only one that should be able to get the cash. Since Obama is half white and half black, would he pay and receive? See, these are the tricky questions, but then again, they have nothing to do with Obama's objection to reparations. Obama is against direct reparations for one reason: He doesn't ever want the victim card to be lost." [The Glenn Beck Program, 7/23/09]

Basically, Beck defines all areas of disagreement in racial terms, a form of race baiting that I believe is thoroughly racist. I will admit that i am not sure if he is personally racist or not. I am sure that he sells racism as a way to increase viewership and believe that is even more racist.

Beck provides no documentation of what he calls Obama's racist behavior (and personally, I do not see the Cambridge police incidents as racist). He also never addresses any of the specifics of the health bill. Rather he tries to declare them guilty by association by creating a racial linkage and ignoring the fact that affirmative action has been the policy of every democratic president since Kennedy as well as a few of the republican ones. In addition, he never even mentions that the bill he is citing was not submitted by Obama and that any of its provisions were not ones ever included by Obama in the list of basic components that he wanted.


What the hell does Obama being half white have to do with anything? He claims to be black and spouts the traditional black racist sentiments, only when he's with a black audience, mind you.



I call that playing the race card.

Cody Covey
08-25-2009, 07:45 PM
I agree with you 100%. Beck has the right to say what he wants, short of yelling "fire" in a movie theatre. But its not government censorship if enough people are turned off by him that they write or quit patronizing his sponsors, and they decide to pull the plug on him. That's the people exercising their rights to buy or not to buy from his sponsors.

This is the same as when Imus made the comments about the girls basketball team. (which I don't think he intended as racist, but public opinion said otherwise)

If Beck gets canned because the free market spoke out, and can no longer justify his airtime based on market analysis, that's America.

Completely agree with ya actually!

ducknwork
08-25-2009, 08:09 PM
It may have started that way, but then you and Tex decided to play the "race card".


It still was about free speech. Playing 'the race card' was necessary to explain why it is not okay for Beck to state his opinion.

If you think that the reaction would be the same if a black guy called any white politician a racist, then you are truly naive. An 'african american' (that term really bothers me) truly has free speech in this country as they can say anything they want without repercussion. (Think Jesse Jackson, 'Rev' Wright, any rapper, that stripper wh**e that accused Duke lacrosse players of rape, BET, United Negro College Fund, historically black colleges, etc)BTW, after it was found out that the stripper was lying, Jesse Jackson still gave her a free ride through college.:-x A white person does not have free speech. (Think Beck, Imus, Rush (think McNabb), etc)
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Brent McDowell
08-25-2009, 08:57 PM
I don't see a lot to suggest that being black makes it easier to win election either in statewide or national elections. Most believe that Obama would have won by an additional 4-6% had he been white. That doesn't mean no one voted for him because he was black, many did. Even more voted against him because he was black. Obama won a majority of the votes in every major demographic group except white males. Go figure. I believe that reflects something good about how far our country has come since I was a kid and that it also reflects how well Obama reached out to speak to people of all colors and classes. Obviously the fact that Obama was running against the Party that brought us GWB helped as well.

I have two thoughts on the quote above. First, I would argue that Obama lost the white male segment not because he was black, but because the largest segment of economic producers in this country are white males and they saw him for what he is - a far-left socialist whose ideals, if implemented, would destroy the economic greatness of this country. Second, what's with the 'Go Figure' comment? It seems to imply that you believe that white males are predisposed to vote against a black man simply because he is black.

TXduckdog
08-25-2009, 09:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TXduckdog
"What the hell does Obama being half white have to do with anything? He claims to be black and spouts the traditional black racist sentiments, only when he's with a black audience, mind you. "

Yardley:
I call that playing the race card.


Jeff, I was merely commenting on what someone else had said about him being half white/half black......I was commenting on the fact that Obama does not see himself as half white...but rather 100% black and he does in fact pander the "party line" when it comes to the traditional black racist sentiments when he is with a black audience. This is irrefutable fact....there are tons of video to prove the point.

So Jeff...it is my understanding....that you feel that ANY commentary or observation on race....is playing the race card....and thus by extension....racist? For such a smart guy this is a very pernicious and obtuse attitude. I am offended that you would project that term on me.

One has to be very careful throwing that label around....."playing the race card" is merely the PC version of the term....without really knowing anything about the individual being so labeled. Along with the racist tendancies you project, you may find out they tend to take physical remedies to such a character slur.

To be perfectly clear, if you ever made such reference to me in person, I would be looking to kick your a$$.

dnf777
08-25-2009, 10:15 PM
Along with the racist tendancies you project, you may find out they tend to take physical remedies to such a character slur.

To be perfectly clear, if you ever made such reference to me in person, I would be looking to kick your a$$.

This is why people shouldn't carry guns to political rallies.
This has gotten really malignant. It basically comes down to if someone says anything at all about race, it's labelled as racist by those who disagree.

I see nothing but hard feeling coming out of these type threads, so I'm staying away from all things race-related. I would be surprised if this isn't locked soon anyway.

M&K's Retrievers
08-25-2009, 11:15 PM
[QUOTE=Roger Perry;489896]Obama is half white!

Which half??

Bruce MacPherson
08-26-2009, 12:16 AM
I don't care what color anyone is, never have. My criteria has always been is the individual intelligent enough and competent enough to do the job?
Unfortunately, in my opinion, the name calling and race posturing do nothing but draw attention away from the fact that this President dosen't now and never did bring anything to the table except his ability to read a teleprompter perhaps better than anyone.

ducknwork
08-26-2009, 05:14 AM
I don't care what color anyone is, never have. My criteria has always been is the individual intelligent enough and competent enough to do the job?
Unfortunately, in my opinion, the name calling and race posturing do nothing but draw attention away from the fact that this President dosen't now and never did bring anything to the table except his ability to read a teleprompter perhaps better than anyone.


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Franco
08-26-2009, 07:38 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fh7xMhsLnac

On this you tube link Obama talks about how wonderful Rev Wright is.

Of course, we all know Rev Wright is not a racist!

Pete
08-26-2009, 08:13 AM
The liberals didn't force Beck to say that Obama has a deep seated hatred of white people. Yup, his mom was white, and the grandparents that raised him were white. So, I can definitely see why he would hate white people

Jeff
I watched an informal 2 hour interview with Obama
He specifically said


"my mother hated white people" or maby it was his grandma I cant remember ,,all I remember was the person who raised him said that,,,,, which is probably why she married a black person.
So if he was raised by a self proclaimed racist,,I would imagine some of it could rub off.

Pete

Pete
08-26-2009, 08:19 AM
And how about all the people that wanted Letterman taken off the air when he made a joke about palin's daughter. (which I think was an uncalled for remark by the way

If he made that comment about a liberals child and he were a conservative it would be all over.
They would be in Beck and Savage's shoes
Absolutely no doubt in my mind


Pete

Bob Gutermuth
08-26-2009, 09:09 AM
Glen Beck is having Rush Limbaugh as a guest today(wed). That ought to drive the koolaid korps into a real fit. Me, I am glad that there is a source of news and opinion that is not part of the government run media.

YardleyLabs
08-26-2009, 09:11 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TXduckdog
"What the hell does Obama being half white have to do with anything? He claims to be black and spouts the traditional black racist sentiments, only when he's with a black audience, mind you. "

Yardley:
I call that playing the race card.


Jeff, I was merely commenting on what someone else had said about him being half white/half black......I was commenting on the fact that Obama does not see himself as half white...but rather 100% black and he does in fact pander the "party line" when it comes to the traditional black racist sentiments when he is with a black audience. This is irrefutable fact....there are tons of video to prove the point.

So Jeff...it is my understanding....that you feel that ANY commentary or observation on race....is playing the race card....and thus by extension....racist? For such a smart guy this is a very pernicious and obtuse attitude. I am offended that you would project that term on me.

One has to be very careful throwing that label around....."playing the race card" is merely the PC version of the term....without really knowing anything about the individual being so labeled. Along with the racist tendancies you project, you may find out they tend to take physical remedies to such a character slur.

To be perfectly clear, if you ever made such reference to me in person, I would be looking to kick your a$$.

Actually, Obama routinely calls himself bi-racial and black. The first is an accurate description of hs parentage. The second is an accurate characterization of how we have historically defined black people in America. In fact, virtually every American born black person whose family was brought to this country in chains has white blood in his ancestry and could be termed biracial. With respect to Obama's speeches before both white and black audiences, I have never heard him utter a word that I would term racist. I have heard him talk very directly about the effects of being both white and black in our country, and I have heard him talk about the fact that blacks have not received fair access to the rewards that our country offers. Those are not racist comments; they are factual statements about the effect of race in our country. With respect to your sensitivity to my comment that your post played the "race card", I only wonder why you don't have the same sensitivity about Beck's description of Obama as a racist or your own comment that Obama "spouts the traditional black racist sentiments, only when he's with a black audience." I quoted that and called it "playing the race card." You reacted that my saying that was effectively calling you a racist and responded with a sentence ("Along with the racist tendancies you project, you may find out they tend to take physical remedies to such a character slur. ") which I interpret as calling me a racist and threatening me indirectly with physical violence.

I actually didn't call you a racist. I did say that you helped to take a thread about "first amendment" rights and turn into a thread about race by calling Obama a racist and I quoted your post to make it clear exactly what I meant. I do not interpret all comments about race as racist. I do interpret comments as racist when virtually everything Obama does is being characterized in racial terms even though the issues involved have been raised over and over again by white Presidents and white political leaders.

Obama does not support affirmative action because he is black. He supports affirmative action because he is a liberal. Obama is not supporting universal health coverage because he is black and wants "reparations"; he is supporting it in the same traditions in which it has been supported since LBJ and the Kennedy's began supporting such coverage in the 1960's. He does not support aggressive efforts to count the poor and minorities in the Census because he is black; he supports those actions because it is right to include everyone and because he believes those voters will support the Democratic party. Republicans have systematically sought to prevent full counts of those people in the Census and to exclude those people from voting because it would shift resources and power to Democratic strongholds.

The fact is that racism is not simply prejudging others based on their color. Racism in my mind is using power over governmental and business institutions to protect a privileged racial position. It is racism when O'Reilly says that the power of white Christian men is under attack and they need to defend themselves. It is not racism when a black commentator or politician says that white Christian men control our country and that minorities and women need to act together to break that control and redistribute power more equitably. One is seeking to preserve a privileged racial position and the other is attacking that privilege.


Jeff
I watched an informal 2 hour interview with Obama
He specifically said


"my mother hated white people" or maby it was his grandma I cant remember ,,all I remember was the person who raised him said that,,,,, which is probably why she married a black person.
So if he was raised by a self proclaimed racist,,I would imagine some of it could rub off.

Pete
The person who made the comment "My mother hated white people" was actually Henry Louis Gates during a 1994 interview concerning his book Colored People. To the best of my knowledge, Obama never said this and his mother and grandmother were both lily white.

Cody Covey
08-26-2009, 03:54 PM
Jeff do you believe then, that racism can only go one way? Also do you think that most minorities are not afforded the same privileges because they are minorities or could it maybe be because they (not minorities they but those who don't work as hard) don't work as hard to achieve things. Maybe they feel it is easier to sell drugs and live off the government dime. Its not like they are like our native americans who are forced to live on the rez if they want any of their tribal type benefits they can work hard and move where ever they want. And please before you try and quote the school systems and neighborhoods being the problem, LIBERALS are the ones that are against a free choice on where to send your child not conservatives. And they make the neighborhoods the way they are, not like theres a bunch of white rednecks going down to the projects and enlisting kids in gangs and selling drugs.

TXduckdog
08-26-2009, 06:18 PM
[QUOTE=YardleyLabs;490281]I actually didn't call you a racist. I did say that you helped to take a thread about "first amendment" rights and turn into a thread about race by calling Obama a racist and I quoted your post to make it clear exactly what I meant. I do not interpret all comments about race as racist. I do interpret comments as racist when virtually everything Obama does is being characterized in racial terms even though the issues involved have been raised over and over again by white Presidents and white political leaders. QUOTE]


Don't play semantics with me......you specifically said I "played the race card"...inferring racism.

Not only are you insulting you are a liar. And a Yankee liar at that.

Pistols or swords? You jacka$$.

Roger Perry
08-26-2009, 06:51 PM
Glen Beck is having Rush Limbaugh as a guest today(wed). That ought to drive the koolaid korps into a real fit. Me, I am glad that there is a source of news and opinion that is not part of the government run media.

Yea, everyone get out your white robes and hoods. I'll have to dig mine out of the closet and dust it off for that one.

Bob Gutermuth
08-26-2009, 06:55 PM
Thats right Roger drop the race card just because Beck and Limbaugh disagree with you and the messiah. Why don't you try refuting their points instead of that?

TXduckdog
08-26-2009, 08:42 PM
Yea, everyone get out your white robes and hoods. I'll have to dig mine out of the closet and dust it off for that one.


Wow, Roger, that's a heck of a leap. Let me guess, you're originally from Niagara, NY before retiring to the other-worldly beautiful Port St Lucie?

YardleyLabs
08-26-2009, 09:11 PM
I actually didn't call you a racist. I did say that you helped to take a thread about "first amendment" rights and turn into a thread about race by calling Obama a racist and I quoted your post to make it clear exactly what I meant. I do not interpret all comments about race as racist. I do interpret comments as racist when virtually everything Obama does is being characterized in racial terms even though the issues involved have been raised over and over again by white Presidents and white political leaders.

Don't play semantics with me......you specifically said I "played the race card"...inferring racism.

Not only are you insulting you are a liar. And a Yankee liar at that.

Pistols or swords? You jacka$$.
I absolutely said that you played the race card when you called Obama a racist. Specifically you said "He [Obama] claims to be black and spouts the traditional black racist sentiments, only when he's with a black audience..." How else would you describe it? As to heritage, I'm actually from East Tennessee and participated in my first sit in at the age of five in 1954. I was the kid they sent into Davis Brothers Cafeteria to take the stack of suggestion cards on which we wrote "Integrate" before dropping them in the mailbox. I was raised in the civil rights movement with all of the special privileges that came with that in the mid 1950's. Based on that experience, I've always tended more towards brass knuckles and switch blades when pistols and shot guns were not available.;-) However, I don't think any of these have a place in forum discussions.

I tried to say what I said very carefully. You are free to interpret it any way you want but any personal insults are in your own mind, not what I said. The bottom line is that if you call people racist, you can expect to be challenged even if that person is the President. Glenn Beck is reveling in that fact now since he figures that it will attract more listeners from his target demographic and give him the ratings he craves.

Hew
08-27-2009, 12:00 AM
The liberals didn't force Beck to say that Obama has a deep seated hatred of white people. Yup, his mom was white, and the grandparents that raised him were white. So, I can definitely see why he would hate white people...
Yeah, you're right. That makes about as much sense as you calling Obama a race baiter and swearing you wouldn't vote for if your life depended on it and then turning around and voting for him. Flip a coin as to which makes the absolute least sense.


I come from a blue collar family in Detroit, generations of Democrats. I would not vote for Obama if my life depended on it. I have never been a fan of the Clintons, but I'm taken back with the ease at which they were painted racist by the Obama Campaign and Jesse Jackson Jr. I simply won't vote for a race baiter.

K G
08-27-2009, 07:59 AM
Hew shoots...he SCOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORES!!!!!!!

:D!

kg

TXduckdog
08-27-2009, 09:39 AM
I absolutely said that you played the race card when you called Obama a racist. Specifically you said "He [Obama] claims to be black and spouts the traditional black racist sentiments, only when he's with a black audience..."

Where in that statement did I call Obama a racist? Obama claims blackness over his other half..whiteness. He panders the racial line to his black audiences....these's plenty of video tape. He DOES NOT take the same tact when he is with white audiences. Why does he act differently with the two groups? How is this truthful description of Obama's behaviour calling him a racist? I'm simply relaying fact, not even interpreting/analysing it.

I tried to say what I said very carefully. You are free to interpret it any way you want but any personal insults are in your own mind, not what I said. The bottom line is that if you call people racist, you can expect to be challenged even if that person is the President. Glenn Beck is reveling in that fact now since he figures that it will attract more listeners from his target demographic and give him the ratings he craves.

You might have said what you said very carefully...you still called me a racist for simply describing Obama's difference in behaviour with white audiences versus black audiences. Now in the final commentary/analysis, this could be interpreting his behaviour as racist or simple distasteful political pandering. Actually, I even characterized it as pandering RATHER than racist.

YOU ARE THE ONE INTERPRETING MY COMMENTS....as rascist.

Where do you get off accusing me directly of racism when I did no such thing to Obama?

I can appreciate and respect your political activism as a youth. However, it has produced a myopic view when it comes to racial dialogue.

I spent quite a view years living just west of Selma, Alabama, outside Marion Junction. Instead of political activism, I engaged in actual constructive behaviour of providing work, fixing up homes, tutoring kids and teaching adult literacy classes, buying school clothes and supplies for my black neighbors up and down my road. Even the occasional bailing an alcoholic and drunk in public mother or two out of jail, so they could get to their jobs and support the kids. My wife worked with the mothers on childrens health issues and tried to break the terrible cycle of popping an illegtimate kid out every year so they could get a bigger welfare check. A program of perpetual dependancy for government handouts.....a brilliant liberal program, by the way.

I never, ever thought that what my wife and I were doing had anything to do with race. We were just looking out for folks less fortunate than us. We provided for black families what they couldn't afford to provide for themselves.

There's one thing about liberal political activism, it's more to help the liberals feel good about themselves than to actually do anything meaningful for poor people. "Sitting in".....doing something with comment cards.....oh yeah, that's real helpful. That's going to improve the quality of life for disadvantaged black folk.

So now if you think I'm rascist for helping "black folk" to elevate their standard of living and get off the government teat....OK...I'm a rascist. Your still a jacka$$.

Steve Hester
08-28-2009, 07:54 AM
The only difference I see between Beck and the bigots I grew up with as a child is that Beck seem to leave his white robes at home. While I believe that race permeates almost everything in our country, I think Obama is one of the least racist people I have ever seen in a public position. Beck is one of the most racist. I have no problem with anyone criticizing Obama or his policies. However, when you (a generic you unless the shoe fits) have trouble making a comment about Obama without calling him Obongo or Osama or commenting on his color, his "claimed" religion, or his place of birth, then the problem is not his color or racial views in my opinion, but yours. If Obama were white, none of those would be raised as issues.

Ummm, you forgot he is just as much white as he is black.

Martin
08-28-2009, 04:47 PM
Hew shoots...he SCOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORES!!!!!!!

:D!

kg

Heck, that was a game winner.

Steve Hester
08-28-2009, 10:48 PM
I like TX Duck Dog more every time I read one of his posts. I'm quite sure he understands the difference between a "hand up" vs a "hand out". Yep, most liberals are big on talk, LOTS of talk, but way short on any action that actually helps a bad situation. Their answer to every problem is throw more money at it, and start more inefficient, inept government programs that do nothing but make people more reliant on the government and make the problems worse. A 5 year old at a "SIT IN"......:rolleyes: Ain't that cute???

YardleyLabs
08-29-2009, 06:41 AM
I like TX Duck Dog more every time I read one of his posts. I'm quite sure he understands the difference between a "hand up" vs a "hand out". Yep, most liberals are big on talk, LOTS of talk, but way short on any action that actually helps a bad situation. Their answer to every problem is throw more money at it, and start more inefficient, inept government programs that do nothing but make people more reliant on the government and make the problems worse. A 5 year old at a "SIT IN"......:rolleyes: Ain't that cute???It's almost like the 5 year olds at antiabortion rallies. I am continuously struck by those who define their own "goodness" by trying to put down those with whom they disagree, with or without any knowledge of the facts. A point I have made more than a few time is that I believe a person is defined by his or her actions, not by stated beliefs. I thoroughly enjoy discussions of politics, but tend to only respond emotionally to what I believe is hate mongering. When the haters are allowed to dominate the conversation, everyone is doomed because no hate group can "win", it can only destroy what is left. My objections to people like Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, et al. is that they define themselves by the groups that hate.

In saying that "most liberals are big on talk", I would not disagree if you said "most liberals and conservatives are big on talk." However, if you wish to judge me, you may want to find out something about specifics. I have always been politically engaged. However, that has always been the least important way in which I try to live my values. And that was the lesson I learned from my very liberal parents and from my very conservative mother and father in law.

Franco
08-29-2009, 08:26 AM
My objections to people like Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity, et al. is that they define themselves by the groups that hate.

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I don't care much for the neo-Conservatives either, add Ingram and Colter to that list. The Neos give real Consevatives a bad name.

Real Conservatives understand that we were better off yesterday than we are today. Lets face it, both parties(Liberals/Neos) have created such a huge mess that we may not survive it with anything near the Standard Of Living that we had in the 1950-60's.

It is apparent to me that we have become two seperate peoples with very different ideals and the two will no coexhist for much longer. I guess I'll have to side with the Neos. As much as I hate many of thier ideals, I hate the Liberal ideals more.

Franco
08-29-2009, 08:38 AM
It is apparent to me that we have become two seperate peoples with very different ideals and the two will no coexhist for much longer.



I haven't been able to determine if the economic suicide supported by the current administration is;

1) An attempt to destroy the USA so that Obama and his henchmen can build their new socialist order from the chaos as well as taking perminent power

or

2) They are just so irresponsible that they don't know any better

YardleyLabs
08-29-2009, 08:38 AM
I don't care much for the neo-Conservatives either, add Ingram and Colter to that list. The Neos give real Consevatives a bad name.

Real Conservatives understand that we were better off yesterday than we are today. Lets face it, both parties(Liberals/Neos) have created such a huge mess that we may not survive it with anything near the Standard Of Living that we had in the 1950-60's.

It is apparent to me that we have become two seperate peoples with very different ideals and the two will no coexhist for much longer. I guess I'll have to side with the Neos. As much as I hate many of thier ideals, I hate the Liberal ideals more.
I don't know Franco. It sounds tidy until you actually begin to think through the details. Current polls suggest that those who define themselves as very conservative represent less than 20% of the population vs. those who identify themselves as very liberal representing about 10%. If you are thinking secession, I doubt that more than 10% of the population would go along with you and that the bulk of the other 90% would not agree without force. All in all, I suspect that the effort would be more likely to return us to the 1930's standard of living rather than the 1950's.

Franco
08-29-2009, 09:02 AM
I don't know Franco. It sounds tidy until you actually begin to think through the details. Current polls suggest that those who define themselves as very conservative represent less than 20% of the population vs. those who identify themselves as very liberal representing about 10%. If you are thinking secession, I doubt that more than 10% of the population would go along with you and that the bulk of the other 90% would not agree without force. All in all, I suspect that the effort would be more likely to return us to the 1930's standard of living rather than the 1950's.

I suspect that few of those in that 20% are real Conservatives as opposed to staunch neo-Conservatives.

What we need is a real Conservative leader to emerge. One that understands seperation of chruch from state and that Government's role is to; protect the Constitution, protect its citizens, maintain a strong and effective military and provived in the infastructure for commerce. Government need not get involved beyond that which would require a massive shrinking of our current Federal government. Lets face it, what we have now is government gone wild! Completely out-of-control and treasonist!

Franco
08-29-2009, 09:21 AM
I don't see a lot to suggest that being black makes it easier to win election either in statewide or national elections. Most believe that Obama would have won by an additional 4-6% had he been white. That doesn't mean no one voted for him because he was black, many did. Even more voted against him because he was black. Obama won a majority of the votes in every major demographic group except white males. Go figure. I believe that reflects something good about how far our country has come since I was a kid and that it also reflects how well Obama reached out to speak to people of all colors and classes. Obviously the fact that Obama was running against the Party that brought us GWB helped as well.

If Obama was white, he wouldn't have received over 95% of the black vote, nor the majority of the college vote or the majority of the Hispanic vote. If we wasn't black, he would have lost by a landslide. Of course, Bush's policies over the last 8 years didn't help America's future either.

ducknwork
08-29-2009, 09:33 AM
If Obama was white, he wouldn't have received over 95% of the black vote, nor the majority of the college vote or the majority of the Hispanic vote. If we wasn't black, he would have lost by a landslide. Of course, Bush's policies over the last 8 years didn't help America's future either.

Bingo. And....

If he wasn't black, the media would have chewed him up and spit him out 2.5 years ago when he started talking about running. As it was, the media was (and is) in love with him so they overlooked the 'minor' details, such as his ties with terrorists, inexperience, racism (ties to 'Rev' Wright among other things), questionable birthplace, socialistic views, teleprompter reliance (Haha, idiot. Wonder what he would say if he had to think for himself? Oh yeah, probably 'uhhhh,errrrr,uhhhh,ummm' like he does when he has to answer off the cuff) etc. (I know I am forgetting a bunch) Everyone wanted to be part of history and see a 'black' president, so the important issues fell by the wayside.
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ducknwork
08-29-2009, 09:37 AM
That being said, we still would have a democrat in the office, due to the Bush bashing after 8 years. It just wouldn't have been Obama. He never would have made it to the election if it wasn't for his color.
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YardleyLabs
08-29-2009, 09:51 AM
If Obama was white, he wouldn't have received over 95% of the black vote, nor the majority of the college vote or the majority of the Hispanic vote. If we wasn't black, he would have lost by a landslide. Of course, Bush's policies over the last 8 years didn't help America's future either.
Black votes represent about 10-12% of total presidential votes. Clinton won 83% of black votes in 1992, Gore won 95% in 2000, and Kerry won 93% in 2004. Obama won 95%. That translates to a difference of under 1% in the popular vote when comparing Obama to other Democrats in recent Presidential elections even after adjusting for higher turnouts in 2008. Gallup polls suggest that, on balance, race served to depress Obama's vote total by a few percent among whites, more than offsetting any advantage related to the black vote.

I don't see any support for your assertion. The real difference was in the margin of Obama's victory among all groups other than white men and the closeness of his performance among white men. The majority of white men have actually been voting against Democratic candidates for some time. One of the issues facing Republicans is that each election sees white men as a smaller fraction of the total electorate. That trend is likely to continue.

Franco
08-29-2009, 10:02 AM
Jeff you are talking percentages when what you have to look at is voter turnout.

Voter turnout among black voters were at record levels for this last election.

Roger Perry
08-29-2009, 10:21 AM
If Obama was white, he wouldn't have received over 95% of the black vote, nor the majority of the college vote or the majority of the Hispanic vote. If we wasn't black, he would have lost by a landslide. Of course, Bush's policies over the last 8 years didn't help America's future either.

And if GW Bush didn't have help from his brother, the republican govenor of Florida and the help of the Fla. Sec. of State republican Katherine Harris and republican Theresa Leport who designed the palm beach county ballot, he may not have been elected president. Of course if pigs had wings they could fly.
Why Usability Testing Matters --
Palm Beach County Ballot Design Raises Questions about Election 2000

08 Nov 2000; Dennis G. Jerz (http://jerz.setonhill.edu/)
The result of the 2000 U.S. Presidential race was so close that some Democratic Party officials argue that one Florida county's hard-to-use ballot may have unfairly decided the presidency.
Critics argue that some voters in Palm Beach County, Fla. might have accidentally voted for Reform Party candidate Pat Buchanan, when they thought they were voting for Al Gore. The Democrats are listed second in the left column; but punching a hole in the second circle actually cast a vote for Buchanan.

http://jerz.setonhill.edu/images/flaballot.jpg

Bob Gutermuth
08-29-2009, 10:32 AM
The elderly folks in Palm Beach county can handle 6 or more bingo cards at one time but couldn't handle the stupid ballot, yea right.

YardleyLabs
08-29-2009, 10:32 AM
Jeff you are talking percentages when what you have to look at is voter turnout.

Voter turnout among black voters were at record levels for this last election.
I actually included that. Otherwise there would have been no net benefit in Obama's performance vs. Gore's in 2000. Black turnout in 2008 ran at about 13% as compared with 12% in 2000 and 11% in 2004.

BTW, the distinction that is probably real is that if Gore had received as strong support from blacks as Obama, Bush never would have been elected. However, no turnout would have helped Kerry in 2004. The fact is that Obama performed better across almost every demographic than either Gore or Kerry -- in most cases despite his identification as a black.

ducknwork
08-29-2009, 10:42 AM
And if GW Bush didn't have help from his brother, the republican govenor of Florida and the help of the Fla. Sec. of State republican Katherine Harris and republican Theresa Leport who designed the palm beach county ballot, he may not have been elected president. Of course if pigs had wings they could fly.
Why Usability Testing Matters --
Palm Beach County Ballot Design Raises Questions about Election 2000

08 Nov 2000; Dennis G. Jerz (http://jerz.setonhill.edu/)
The result of the 2000 U.S. Presidential race was so close that some Democratic Party officials argue that one Florida county's hard-to-use ballot may have unfairly decided the presidency.
Critics argue that some voters in Palm Beach County, Fla. might have accidentally voted for Reform Party candidate Pat Buchanan, when they thought they were voting for Al Gore. The Democrats are listed second in the left column; but punching a hole in the second circle actually cast a vote for Buchanan.

http://jerz.setonhill.edu/images/flaballot.jpg

Hard to use ballot? If you can't decipher that cryptic ballot:rolleyes:, then you shouldn't be voting in the first place on the premise of not being intelligent enough...There are big freaking arrows. Pay attention. Voting is not a race, take your time and know what you are doing or don't vote...
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ducknwork
08-29-2009, 10:50 AM
The real difference was in the margin of Obama's victory among all groups other than white men and the closeness of his performance among white men. The majority of white men have actually been voting against Democratic candidates for some time. One of the issues facing Republicans is that each election sees white men as a smaller fraction of the total electorate. That trend is likely to continue.

No, the real difference is that the economy is in the crapper, people are out of jobs and Obama promised handouts to everyone. Naturally, he is going to get the minority vote with that. I am not going to look up stats, but I suspect that white males make up a majority of the demographic making over 250K that Obama was going to take money from (or was it 200K? or 150K? Oh well, I can't remember which one he really meant...) to give to the 'needy'. Of course the rich are not going to vote for Robin Hood, but the poor sure will! All they care about is what they are going to get and many are not intelligent enough (or just don't care) to see what all these socialistic policies are going to do to the nation.
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Roger Perry
08-29-2009, 11:01 AM
The elderly folks in Palm Beach county can handle 6 or more bingo cards at one time but couldn't handle the stupid ballot, yea right.

The newspaper's review of discarded ballots found Gore lost 6,607 votes. Bush stole the election by 537 votes.

Bob, if Gore had been 1st on the ballot and Bush 2nd under him, you would be crying like a stuck pig and would still be complaining about it.

Bob Gutermuth
08-29-2009, 11:09 AM
I have better things to gripe about, like the winner of the last Presidential election. Gore lost get over it.

Roger Perry
08-29-2009, 11:25 AM
I have better things to gripe about, like the winner of the last Presidential election. Gore lost get over it.

I got over that a long time ago. My response was to franco's post:

"If Obama was white, he wouldn't have received over 95% of the black vote, nor the majority of the college vote or the majority of the Hispanic vote. If we wasn't black, he would have lost by a landslide."

McCain lost the 2008 election ----- Get over it!

Franco
08-29-2009, 11:29 AM
The real losers are the tax paying Citizens of The United States Of America.

Key words: tax paying citizens

P S Who are mad as hell and will not take much more of it!!!

YardleyLabs
08-29-2009, 12:29 PM
No, the real difference is that the economy is in the crapper, people are out of jobs and Obama promised handouts to everyone. Naturally, he is going to get the minority vote with that. I am not going to look up stats, but I suspect that white males make up a majority of the demographic making over 250K that Obama was going to take money from (or was it 200K? or 150K? Oh well, I can't remember which one he really meant...) to give to the 'needy'. Of course the rich are not going to vote for Robin Hood, but the poor sure will! All they care about is what they are going to get and many are not intelligent enough (or just don't care) to see what all these socialistic policies are going to do to the nation.
Actually, based on exit poll data, Obama won a majority of the vote in every income category except $50-75,000 and $100-200,000 where McCain won a plurality, but not a majority. Obama won a majority in the over $200,000 income category (those targeted for tax increases) with a margin of over 5%, in the $75-100,000 income group, and in all groups with incomes under $75,000. (see http://www.historycentral.com/elections/12008/exit/Income.html)

ducknwork
08-29-2009, 01:29 PM
Very interesting.

What about this?

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/03/how-went-2008-election-looking-only-at.html
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ducknwork
08-29-2009, 01:45 PM
This breaks it down any way you can imagine:

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#val=USP00p1

I still stand by my statement that Obama would not have been a candidate in November if he wasn't black. The media and people in general gave him a free pass on too many issues.
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Franco
08-29-2009, 01:57 PM
I still stand by my statement that Obama would not have been a candidate in November if he wasn't black. The media and people in general gave him a free pass on too many issues.



I don't think the huge majority of Obama voters even paid attention to what he was saying during the campaign because, he didn't say anything. The only thing we heard from him were bumper sticker quotes.

The debates were a joke and there were no tough questions ask of him and he was allowed to slip n slide through the entire sharade.

Lets don't forget that we now live in a society that condones reverse discrimination and that is one reason why the press is so freightened to ask the difficult questions. The press does not want to be labled racist, which they would be if they started asking tough questions of Obama.

Bob Gutermuth
08-29-2009, 02:10 PM
The govt controlled press is in Osama's pocket. MSNBC and the entire NBC org is owned by GE. GE CEO Jeffrey Immelt was recently appointed to the NY Bd of governors for the Federal Reserve. Its a no brainer that NBC is going to sing the party tunes while Barak Hussein is in office. And folks wonder why I watch Fox for news and don't read the Washington compost.

Franco
08-29-2009, 02:15 PM
The govt controlled press is in Osama's pocket. MSNBC and the entire NBC org is owned by GE. GE CEO Jeffrey Immelt was recently appointed to the NY Bd of governors for the Federal Reserve. Its a no brainer that NBC is going to sing the party tunes while Barak Hussein is in office. And folks wonder why I watch Fox for news and don't read the Washington compost.

I'll just add that in exchange for NBC's support of all things Obama, GE owners of NBC have been awarded tens of billions in Green Project contracts by the Obama administration.

K G
08-29-2009, 06:22 PM
So much for "change" in Washington....nothing like a good dose of business as usual....

Campaign promises? WHAT campaign promises regards,

kg

YardleyLabs
08-29-2009, 07:04 PM
I'll just add that in exchange for NBC's support of all things Obama, GE owners of NBC have been awarded tens of billions in Green Project contracts by the Obama administration.
Do you have any references on this? I haven't been able to find anything about $10's of billions in green program awards. In 2008, GE made a little over $2 million in political donations of which 52% went to Democrats and 48% to Republicans. This was a radical shift from prior years when two-thirds of its contributions went to Republicans. GE has received about $3 billion in Federal contracts over the last 15 years and, under GWB, there was criticism of the number of no bid contracts that it was awarded. In recent years, GE has made a strategic decision to focus on green technologies. In the face of increasing envronmental regulation it has been closing down much of its manufacturing operations for incandescent bulbs and shiftng more resources to LED's. Under the Federal Green program it has received some contracts (10's of millions, not billions, that I could find) for supplying LEDs for traffic signals.

Given its revenues of $180+ billion per year, multi-billion dollar federal contracts would be big news. I was surprised to see no real movement in its stock.

EDIT: BTW, the largest recipient of funds from GE was Saxby Chambliss who was given $15000 for his 2008 campaign.

EDIT2: My statements on contributions only included GE's PAC contributions. When all contributions from both GE PAC and employees are considered, the total for the 2008 cycle increases to over $3 million with two thirds going to Democrats. This is the first cycle since 1994 when Democrats have received the majority of GE contributions according to opensecrets.org.

M&K's Retrievers
08-30-2009, 09:58 PM
[QUOTE=YardleyLabs;490281
Obama does not support affirmative action because he is black. He supports affirmative action because he is a liberal. Obama is not supporting universal health coverage because he is black and wants "reparations"; he is supporting it in the same traditions in which it has been supported since LBJ and the Kennedy's began supporting such coverage in the 1960's. He does not support aggressive efforts to count the poor and minorities in the Census because he is black; he supports those actions because it is right to include everyone and because he believes those voters will support the Democratic party. Republicans have systematically sought to prevent full counts of those people in the Census and to exclude those people from voting because it would shift resources and power to Democratic strongholds.
attacking that privilege.

How do you know why Obmama does anything he does? You guys been having lunch? He told you this? I doubt it. He does what he does to suit his best interests and the interest of those who are pulling his strings. He didn't get to where he is on his own and because of his beliefs. Give me a break!

M&K's Retrievers
08-30-2009, 10:08 PM
Do you have any references on this? I haven't been able to find anything about $10's of billions in green program awards. In 2008, GE made a little over $2 million in political donations of which 52% went to Democrats and 48% to Republicans. This was a radical shift from prior years when two-thirds of its contributions went to Republicans. GE has received about $3 billion in Federal contracts over the last 15 years and, under GWB, there was criticism of the number of no bid contracts that it was awarded. In recent years, GE has made a strategic decision to focus on green technologies. In the face of increasing envronmental regulation it has been closing down much of its manufacturing operations for incandescent bulbs and shiftng more resources to LED's. Under the Federal Green program it has received some contracts (10's of millions, not billions, that I could find) for supplying LEDs for traffic signals.

Given its revenues of $180+ billion per year, multi-billion dollar federal contracts would be big news. I was surprised to see no real movement in its stock.

EDIT: BTW, the largest recipient of funds from GE was Saxby Chambliss who was given $15000 for his 2008 campaign.

EDIT2: My statements on contributions only included GE's PAC contributions. When all contributions from both GE PAC and employees are considered, the total for the 2008 cycle increases to over $3 million with two thirds going to Democrats. This is the first cycle since 1994 when Democrats have received the majority of GE contributions according to opensecrets.org.

Man! When do you have time to train :razz:

YardleyLabs
08-31-2009, 06:11 AM
Obama does not support affirmative action because he is black. He supports affirmative action because he is a liberal. Obama is not supporting universal health coverage because he is black and wants "reparations"; he is supporting it in the same traditions in which it has been supported since LBJ and the Kennedy's began supporting such coverage in the 1960's. He does not support aggressive efforts to count the poor and minorities in the Census because he is black; he supports those actions because it is right to include everyone and because he believes those voters will support the Democratic party. Republicans have systematically sought to prevent full counts of those people in the Census and to exclude those people from voting because it would shift resources and power to Democratic strongholds.


How do you know why Obmama does anything he does? You guys been having lunch? He told you this? I doubt it. He does what he does to suit his best interests and the interest of those who are pulling his strings. He didn't get to where he is on his own and because of his beliefs. Give me a break!
Let's put it this way. If Obama is supporting a position that is consistent with white Democratic Presidents and white Presidential candidates over the last 40 years, why would Obama's support be attributed to his color? Obama's positions have tended to be pretty much at the center of the Democratic party and to the right of most members of the Black and Puerto Rican Caucus. You may or may not remember that during the primaries there were many questions about whether or not Obama was "black enough" and many of the black caucus members supported Hillary instead.

dnf777
08-31-2009, 08:33 AM
Let's put it this way. If Obama is supporting a position that is consistent with white Democratic Presidents and white Presidential candidates over the last 40 years, why would Obama's support be attributed to his color? Obama's positions have tended to be pretty much at the center of the Democratic party and to the right of most members of the Black and Puerto Rican Caucus. You may or may not remember that during the primaries there were many questions about whether or not Obama was "black enough" and many of the black caucus members supported Hillary instead.

Or that he was "Christian" enough, until they found they could play race and patriotism cards off of his Christian preacher by linking him to the actions and words of another.

I'm no huge fan of his, but the hypocrisy is unbearable!