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Terry Britton
09-03-2009, 11:56 PM
This stuff is reminding me of stuff I used to see on TV about pre WWII Germany and Russia:

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/10582301/President-Obamaís-Address-to-Students-Across-America-September-8-2009



Before the Speech:

Teachers can build background knowledge about the President of the United States and his speech by reading books about presidents and Barack Obama and motivate students by asking the following questions: Who is the President of the United States? What do you think it takes to be President? To whom do you think the President is going to be speaking? Why do you think he wants to speak to you? What do you think he will say to you?

Teachers can ask students to imagine being the President delivering a speech to all of the students in the United States. What would you tell students? What can students do to help in our schools? Teachers can chart ideas about what they would say.

Why is it important that we listen to the President and other elected officials, like the mayor, senators, members of congress, or the governor? Why is what they say important?


During the Speech:

As the President speaks, teachers can ask students to write down key ideas or phrases that are important or personally meaningful. Students could use a note-taking graphic organizer such as a Cluster Web, or students could record their thoughts on sticky notes. Younger children can draw pictures and write as appropriate. As students listen to the speech, they could think about the following: What is the President trying to tell me? What is the President asking me to do? What new ideas and actions is the President challenging me to think about?

Students can record important parts of the speech where the President is asking them to do something. Students might think about: What specific job is he asking me to do? Is he asking anything of anyone else? Teachers? Principals? Parents? The American people?

Students can record any questions they have while he is speaking and then discuss them after the speech. Younger children may need to dictate their questions.


After the Speech:

Teachers could ask students to share the ideas they recorded, exchange sticky notes or stick notes on a butcher paper poster in the classroom to discuss main ideas from the speech, i.e. citizenship, personal responsibility, civic duty.

Students could discuss their responses to the following questions: What do you think the President wants us to do? Does the speech make you want to do anything? Are we able to do what President Obama is asking of us? What would you like to tell the President?


Extension of the Speech:

Teachers can extend learning by having students

Create posters of their goals. Posters could be formatted in quadrants or puzzle pieces or trails marked with the labels: personal, academic, community, country. Each area could be labeled with three steps for achieving goals in those areas. It might make sense to focus on personal and academic so community and country goals come more readily.

Write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president. These would be collected and redistributed at an appropriate later date by the teacher to make students accountable to their goals.

Write goals on colored index cards or precut designs to post around the classroom.

Interview and share about their goals with one another to create a supportive community.

Participate in School wide incentive programs or contests for students who achieve their goals.

Write about their goals in a variety of genres, i.e. poems, songs, personal essays.

Create artistic projects based on the themes of their goals.

Graph student progress toward goals.

Bruce MacPherson
09-04-2009, 03:46 AM
Normaly I wouldn't give this a second thought. After all a President certainly should be able to talk to school kids about studying hard, getting ahead and being responsible. Problem is everything this guy does he does for a reason and it's usually calculated to further whatever position he happens to be pushing.

dnf777
09-07-2009, 09:21 AM
Now he's employed communist-sympathizers to indoctrinate our kids and contaminate our precious bodily fluids in the form of tobacco-spittin, race-car drivin' good-ol boys on the NASCAR circuit!! What's next? Bill Cosby admonishing african-american kids for dropping out of school and acting like Gangstas??


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEeY59ofvks&feature=player_embedded

Hooda thunk Dale Jr, Carl Edwards, Jeff Gordon were part of the conspiracy? Well, Jeff always did strike me as a little light in his loafers....

Gerry Clinchy
09-07-2009, 09:23 AM
Bill Cosby admonishing african-american kids for dropping out of school and acting like Gangstas??


Cosby has already done that. Recorded on Snopes.com

ErinsEdge
09-07-2009, 10:02 AM
What's is really fishy is why was not a copy if the speech included along with those instructions for every superintendant of schools, or worse, the superintendants were completely skipped and didn't even know about it when parents called. Oh yes, after the public uproar, now the copy will become available on Labor day, which I'm sure has now been tweeked. Copies of the State of the Union are available to the press before the speech but this little speech was supposed to be kept quiet until airing?
Oh that's right, they didn't mean to use those words that the student was supposed to write a letter to themselves on how they can help the president. Who are we kidding-his speech writers made an error in wording just like Van Jones didn't believe in what he signed because he didn't read it? Now there are many schools not airing the speech. The public must continue to use their constitutional right of free speech as much and as often as possible as we are called radicals by our president and will be stiffled.

YardleyLabs
09-07-2009, 10:25 AM
I'm still waiting to see the text of the President's speech. It is scheduled to be released today.

You can find the text of Bush Sr.'s speech to the nation's school children (October 1991) at http://bushlibrary.tamu.edu/research/public_papers.php?id=3450&year=1991&month=10. (http://bushlibrary.tamu.edu/research/public_papers.php?id=3450&year=1991&month=10)

Democratic leaders complained at the time that public funds were being used to fund a political speech. However, no one complained of brain washing and there was almost no public furor at all. "Why is it political for the president of the United States to discuss education?" asked Newt Gingrich, who was then the House Republican whip. "It was done at a nonpolitical site and was beamed to a nonpolitical audience. . . . They wanted to reach the maximum audience with the maximum effect to improve education."

Ronald Reagan similarly gave a speech at a high school that was broadcast to students nationwide. That speech was overtly political (http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/archives/speeches/1986/51386d.htm).

How dare Obama to try to steal a Republican tactic for brainwashing our youth.;-) That's the only explanation I can think of for all the outrage being shown now compared with the support given by Republicans to Bush and Reagan presentations at that time.

Bob Gutermuth
09-07-2009, 10:35 AM
Osama ought to be concentrating on cleaning out the czars whom he has appointed, not propagandizing our children. I am glad my kids are out of school, and that my grandkids school has the good sense to ignore this indoctrination speech.

WRL
09-07-2009, 10:44 AM
I'm still waiting to see the text of the President's speech. It is scheduled to be released today.

You can find the text of Bush Sr.'s speech to the nation's school children (October 1991) at http://bushlibrary.tamu.edu/research/public_papers.php?id=3450&year=1991&month=10. (http://bushlibrary.tamu.edu/research/public_papers.php?id=3450&year=1991&month=10)

Democratic leaders complained at the time that public funds were being used to fund a political speech. However, no one complained of brain washing and there was almost no public furor at all. "Why is it political for the president of the United States to discuss education?" asked Newt Gingrich, who was then the House Republican whip. "It was done at a nonpolitical site and was beamed to a nonpolitical audience. . . . They wanted to reach the maximum audience with the maximum effect to improve education."

Ronald Reagan similarly gave a speech at a high school that was broadcast to students nationwide. That speech was overtly political (http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/archives/speeches/1986/51386d.htm).

How dare Obama to try to steal a Republican tactic for brainwashing our youth.;-) That's the only explanation I can think of for all the outrage being shown now compared with the support given by Republicans to Bush and Reagan presentations at that time.

I was in HS when Regan was President. And I don't remember EVER HAVING to watch a speech of his WHILE I was in school. The only thing that I remember in class being broadcasted was when an attempt was made on his life.

Bush Sr was in office after I was out of school and before my son was born. I don;t remember any address to the school kids. But maybe that is because I was not tuned in.

As a mother of an 18 year old son (he just graduated) he would NOT be watching this speech during school hours. Sorry.......that is my right as a parent.

Here is MY issue with the speech.

1) It SEEMS manditory. If your child attends school during that period, its getting forced down their throat.

2) I feel its my right and DUTY as a parent to "sensor" what my son "intakes". The movies he watches, the music he listens to AND any sort of "political speech" by whatever politician. I don't care if its the president or the local school board member. If my son were not to understand something in a speech, I don't want the SCHOOL to morph and tweak his views. Once he is an adult, then he can make those choices. But as an underage child, I don't want the gay and lesbian alliance or the pro-lifers giving speeches to my son UNSUPERVISED by me nor any other politician. Whether I agree or disagree with a philosophy is irrevalent. I want to know what and how something is being presented to my child. I try to be very open and present views on both sides. Then my son can decide but to basically force children to watch this is unacceptable. If the president (any president) want to give a speech to children about staying in school and becoming a productive person I am all for it. BUT I will watch it with them and IF it wavers from something appropriate to some sort of "pro-president (insert ANY name)" then the TV will get changed.

Jeff, I really can't see how you and the other "pro-Obama" folks (for lack of a better term) cannot see, that it is very very unlikely with the unrest within our nation for this speech to "stay on task" and just address "school children's issues" such as staying in school. If I were in Vegas, I would be betting that there is going to be SOMETHING off task ie health care, taxes, ecomony, wars or SOMETHING.

WRL

YardleyLabs
09-07-2009, 11:00 AM
I was in HS when Regan was President. And I don't remember EVER HAVING to watch a speech of his WHILE I was in school. The only thing that I remember in class being broadcasted was when an attempt was made on his life.

Bush Sr was in office after I was out of school and before my son was born. I don;t remember any address to the school kids. But maybe that is because I was not tuned in.

As a mother of an 18 year old son (he just graduated) he would NOT be watching this speech during school hours. Sorry.......that is my right as a parent.

Here is MY issue with the speech.

1) It SEEMS manditory. If your child attends school during that period, its getting forced down their throat.

2) I feel its my right and DUTY as a parent to "sensor" what my son "intakes". The movies he watches, the music he listens to AND any sort of "political speech" by whatever politician. I don't care if its the president or the local school board member. If my son were not to understand something in a speech, I don't want the SCHOOL to morph and tweak his views. Once he is an adult, then he can make those choices. But as an underage child, I don't want the gay and lesbian alliance or the pro-lifers giving speeches to my son UNSUPERVISED by me nor any other politician. Whether I agree or disagree with a philosophy is irrevalent. I want to know what and how something is being presented to my child. I try to be very open and present views on both sides. Then my son can decide but to basically force children to watch this is unacceptable. If the president (any president) want to give a speech to children about staying in school and becoming a productive person I am all for it. BUT I will watch it with them and IF it wavers from something appropriate to some sort of "pro-president (insert ANY name)" then the TV will get changed.

Jeff, I really can't see how you and the other "pro-Obama" folks (for lack of a better term) cannot see, that it is very very unlikely with the unrest within our nation for this speech to "stay on task" and just address "school children's issues" such as staying in school. If I were in Vegas, I would be betting that there is going to be SOMETHING off task ie health care, taxes, ecomony, wars or SOMETHING.

WRL
Obama's speech, as with Reagan's and Bush's speeches before, is a resource being made available to school districts across the country. Different school districts will have different policies. Two of the districts around me have opted not to show the speech at all. Three other districts have adopted varying policies. None is showing the speech in a mandatory assembly setting. Personally, I would be very upset if his speech is as political as the one by Ronald Reagan. I would not be upset at all if it was as unpolitical as the speech by George H. W. Bush.

road kill
09-07-2009, 11:21 AM
I think the issue is:

#1--"the Obama" is on broadcast media 24/7.
#2--He is always in campaign mode.
#3--People are seeing through his rhetoric.
#4--He is no longer trusted!!


All because of Glen Beck!!:rolleyes:

dnf777
09-07-2009, 01:09 PM
I think the issue is:

#1--"the Obama" is on broadcast media 24/7.
#2--He is always in campaign mode.
#3--People are seeing through his rhetoric.
#4--He is no longer trusted!!


All because of Glen Beck!!:rolleyes:

Your #2 is a great point. It seems that ALL politicians no sooner get into their new offices, and they're starting the campaign cycle all over again for the next one. This puts a premium on lobbyist dollars for the entire cycle, and moves OUR needs and concerns somewhere off the front burner. If we want any semblance of a democracy back, some sort of campaign reform is needed. What's new?

BonMallari
09-07-2009, 01:35 PM
I think the issue is:

#1--"the Obama" is on broadcast media 24/7.
#2--He is always in campaign mode.
#3--People are seeing through his rhetoric.
#4--He is no longer trusted!!


All because of Glen Beck!!:rolleyes:


Your #2 is a great point. It seems that ALL politicians no sooner get into their new offices, and they're starting the campaign cycle all over again for the next one. This puts a premium on lobbyist dollars for the entire cycle, and moves OUR needs and concerns somewhere off the front burner. If we want any semblance of a democracy back, some sort of campaign reform is needed. What's new?

dnf777....I knew sooner or later you and I could find something we both agree on.:D:D Your post sums up my sentiments too....he is in that campaign mode as I am typing this while talking to the AFL CIO in Ohio..I realize speech making might be his strong suit, but I grow weary of being admonished and lectured to

dnf777
09-07-2009, 01:57 PM
I just read Obama's speech at www.whitehouse.gov, and there is NONE of the coercion, politics, or other dire warning put out by concerned righties!

Sounds like the same advice I've received from trusted mentors during my childhood years. Its really telling kids to accept responsibility for their futures, that there's no future in rapping of basketball for most, so stick with the books and get an education.

I can't imagine anyone who's read the transcript feeling threatened by his words, or that it's trying to indoctrinate youth. Well, indoctrinate them into being good students and citizens, well, maybe. :)

Hew
09-07-2009, 03:14 PM
I just read Obama's speech at www.whitehouse.gov (http://www.whitehouse.gov), and there is NONE of the coercion, politics, or other dire warning put out by concerned righties!
After the fallout from what was in the curriculum there was no way Obama could have inserted anything remotely political/objectionable into the speech. A victory for concerned righties.

Bob Gutermuth
09-07-2009, 03:16 PM
That assumes he reads from the teleprompter, we all know how fubar he is when speaking off the cuff.

dnf777
09-07-2009, 04:08 PM
That assumes he reads from the teleprompter, we all know how fubar he is when speaking off the cuff.

If that's really a teleprompter. I'll bet its a "brain-ray machine" than implants thoughts into the audience's heads as he's speaking. You know how they are. Don't you?

TXduckdog
09-07-2009, 06:17 PM
What exactly are the kids supposed to be "helping" with?

Ain't he in office to be helping us?

dnf777
09-07-2009, 08:05 PM
What exactly are the kids supposed to be "helping" with?

Ain't he in office to be helping us?

I wouldn't trust anybody in gov't to "help" us!

YardleyLabs
09-07-2009, 08:12 PM
What exactly are the kids supposed to be "helping" with?

Ain't he in office to be helping us?
You missed the part where "helping the President" was from an earlier draft that was modified. The lesson plan suggestion is that students write themselves a letter concerning their own objectives and that later in the year that these letters be returned to them so they can evaluate how things went. For what it's worth, I've been asked to perform a similar exercise as a member of a couple of Boards of Directors.

Hoosier
09-07-2009, 08:46 PM
Glad to see all the pressure from the right got him to take out the recruitment parts of the speech.

dnf777
09-07-2009, 09:41 PM
Glad to see all the pressure from the right got him to take out the recruitment parts of the speech.

I'd like to see those. I thought they just posted today? What source are you using for the pre-release transcripts?

Edit: I'm not calling your shot....I would really like to see pre-release transcripts, because if there really is recruitment or socialist indoctrination, I'd like to know about it, as I have several kids in school.

Terry Britton
09-07-2009, 10:09 PM
I'd like to see those. I thought they just posted today? What source are you using for the pre-release transcripts?

Edit: I'm not calling your shot....I would really like to see pre-release transcripts, because if there really is recruitment or socialist indoctrination, I'd like to know about it, as I have several kids in school.

You didn't see the assigned school work the teachers were supposed to give the students. It all pointed to the creation of "Obama's Youth" much like Germany had "Hitler's Youth".

Bob Gutermuth
09-07-2009, 10:15 PM
One report tonite said that part of the speech talked about finishing school to get a good job. What does Hussein know about working for a living, he was a lawyer and a community organizer. Sounds to me like he never had a real job.

Terry Britton
09-07-2009, 10:19 PM
You missed the part where "helping the President" was from an earlier draft that was modified. The lesson plan suggestion is that students write themselves a letter concerning their own objectives and that later in the year that these letters be returned to them so they can evaluate how things went. For what it's worth, I've been asked to perform a similar exercise as a member of a couple of Boards of Directors.

Well, maybe if the President is asking for help from our kids, we can help our kids draft letters and recomendations that will really help him.

1. Clean up DC.
2. Get real ethics back in DC, and have any politician that lies, decieves, uses puffery, or deflection of the truth prosecuted on ethics charges.
3. Cut the deficit.
4. Get the USA competitive again on the global market place.
5. Change healthcare reform by utilizing tort reform, triage in emergency rooms that would send non-emergencies home (i.e. 20 year old knee injury acting up), and require legal resident or alien status in the emergency rooms (send illegal aliens that need expensive non emergency medical treatment back home).
6. Realize globalization means there are winners and loser, don't appoligize for the USA being a winner, and make sure we stay in the winners bracket.
7. Put a lock box on social security.
8. Cut spending of non needed programs.

dnf777
09-07-2009, 10:36 PM
You didn't see the assigned school work the teachers were supposed to give the students. It all pointed to the creation of "Obama's Youth" much like Germany had "Hitler's Youth".

Again, please show me where this came from. I'm willing to listen, but all I'm hearing is more "death panel" and "birther" paranoia with no substance. Hitler Youth was a paramilitary organization of the Nazi party. Is there anything related to paramilitary activity in Obama's speech, or is this another debunked whopper to throw on the ever-growing pile of lies that are undermining the credibility of the right?

Terry Britton
09-07-2009, 10:44 PM
Again, please show me where this came from. I'm willing to listen, but all I'm hearing is more "death panel" and "birther" paranoia with no substance. Hitler Youth was a paramilitary organization of the Nazi party. Is there anything related to paramilitary activity in Obama's speech, or is this another debunked whopper to throw on the ever-growing pile of lies that are undermining the credibility of the right?

Look at the very first post of this thread. It has the lesson plan for teachers to give the students after Obama's speach, and a link.

Then you can google Obama Brown Shirts, and you will find plenty to be concerned with.

As Uncle Ted says, you have to be on guard to protect your freedoms and the minds of your kids from all forms of corruption.

Buzz
09-07-2009, 10:56 PM
Again, please show me where this came from. I'm willing to listen, but all I'm hearing is more "death panel" and "birther" paranoia with no substance. Hitler Youth was a paramilitary organization of the Nazi party. Is there anything related to paramilitary activity in Obama's speech, or is this another debunked whopper to throw on the ever-growing pile of lies that are undermining the credibility of the right?

Obama wants to expand Americorp.

Be very afraid.

dnf777
09-08-2009, 06:09 AM
Look at the very first post of this thread. It has the lesson plan for teachers to give the students after Obama's speach, and a link.

Then you can google Obama Brown Shirts, and you will find plenty to be concerned with.

As Uncle Ted says, you have to be on guard to protect your freedoms and the minds of your kids from all forms of corruption.

The activities list from the dept of ed is just that. Did you read it? it's asking basic comprehension questions, what did it mean to you? NOTHING about paramilitary organization! That is what Hitler Youth was (paramilitary group). Has anyone seen a Hitler Youth classroom activities guide? (I haven't)

I'm afraid this will go in the same history book chapter as the birther movement and death panels. Far right scare tactics. Actually, that might warrant an entire book!

dnf777
09-08-2009, 06:10 AM
Obama wants to expand Americorp.

Be very afraid.

Believe me, I AM very afraid!

road kill
09-08-2009, 07:35 AM
Could anyone list 1 thing "the Obama" has accomplished so far in his term??

(I mean from a positive stand point)

Standing by........

Pete
09-08-2009, 08:07 AM
Could anyone list 1 thing "the Obama" has accomplished so far in his term??

(I mean from a positive stand point)



Well He has managed to take hundreds of thousands of older cars off the market ,,thus causing used cars to go up in price,,,now I cant even afford a used car.

But if you are selling a used car ,,,you can get more fore it.:rolleyes:

So once again he is promoting class envy and trying to divide and conquer

Pete

cotts135
09-08-2009, 08:11 AM
Could anyone list 1 thing "the Obama" has accomplished so far in his term??

(I mean from a positive stand point)

Standing by........

How about shooting three Somali Pirates to free an American ship Captain.

Hoosier
09-08-2009, 08:27 AM
How about shooting three Somali Pirates to free an American ship Captain.

Who would have thought Obami could shoot that good.

Roger Perry
09-08-2009, 08:58 AM
[quote=TXduckdog;495673]What exactly are the kids supposed to be "helping" with?

Ain't he in office to be helping us?
quote]

Reminds me of a quote I once heard.

"Ask not what your country can do for you--ask what you can do for your country."

Roger Perry
09-08-2009, 09:02 AM
Well, maybe if the President is asking for help from our kids, we can help our kids draft letters and recomendations that will really help him.

1. Clean up DC.
2. Get real ethics back in DC, and have any politician that lies, decieves, uses puffery, or deflection of the truth prosecuted on ethics charges.
3. Cut the deficit.
4. Get the USA competitive again on the global market place.
5. Change healthcare reform by utilizing tort reform, triage in emergency rooms that would send non-emergencies home (i.e. 20 year old knee injury acting up), and require legal resident or alien status in the emergency rooms (send illegal aliens that need expensive non emergency medical treatment back home).
6. Realize globalization means there are winners and loser, don't appoligize for the USA being a winner, and make sure we stay in the winners bracket.
7. Put a lock box on social security.
8. Cut spending of non needed programs.

I can agree with you there about the lies. Lets start with the last administration first.

Roger Perry
09-08-2009, 09:06 AM
Could anyone list 1 thing "the Obama" has accomplished so far in his term??

(I mean from a positive stand point)

Standing by........

I can ask the same thing about the Bush Administration. Can you name 1 good thing Bush accomplished in his first 8 months in office or for that matter 8 years in office?

Roger Perry
09-08-2009, 09:09 AM
Well He has managed to take hundreds of thousands of older cars off the market ,,thus causing used cars to go up in price,,,now I cant even afford a used car.

But if you are selling a used car ,,,you can get more fore it.:rolleyes:

So once again he is promoting class envy and trying to divide and conquer

Pete

I doubt that you would want to purchase any of those older cars that were traded in. Most were headed for the junk pile anyway, Unless of course you buy your cars from the buy here pay here lots.

Buzz
09-08-2009, 09:09 AM
I can ask the same thing about the Bush Administration. Can you name 1 good thing Bush accomplished in his first 8 months in office or for that matter 8 years in office?

He kept us safe.

Um, er, well, after the first 8 months of his administration anyhow...

YardleyLabs
09-08-2009, 10:04 AM
Could anyone list 1 thing "the Obama" has accomplished so far in his term??

(I mean from a positive stand point)

Standing by........
He developed a $787 billion stimulus package and got it through Congress within about a month of his inauguration. The first impact of this was a tax cut of $400/individual and $800/couple which went into effect at the beginning of April.

He avoided a complete failure of GM and Chrysler

He inherited an economy that, by almost all predictions, was headed straight for depression and has managed to stabilize it for now with reasonable indications of a turnaround.

He refocused attention on Afghanistan which was rapidly headed for becoming a failed state, taking Pakistan with it. The jury is out on whether or not this effort will succeed, but at least we are now headed in the right direction.

He achieved buy-in from the Iraqis on a withdrawal schedule for US troops and has been following through in accordance with that schedule.

Overturned the Bush administration ban on federal funding for embryonic stem cell research.

Has at least begun the fight for meaningful health insurance reform.

TXduckdog
09-08-2009, 10:06 AM
How about shooting three Somali Pirates to free an American ship Captain.

The administrations resistance to that maneuver was over-ridden at the scene by the commander on location.

dnf777
09-08-2009, 10:13 AM
He developed a $787 billion stimulus package and got it through Congress within about a month of his inauguration. The first impact of this was a tax cut of $400/individual and $800/couple which went into effect at the beginning of April.

He avoided a complete failure of GM and Chrysler

He inherited an economy that, by almost all predictions, was headed straight for depression and has managed to stabilize it for now with reasonable indications of a turnaround.

He refocused attention on Afghanistan which was rapidly headed for becoming a failed state, taking Pakistan with it. The jury is out on whether or not this effort will succeed, but at least we are now headed in the right direction.

He achieved buy-in from the Iraqis on a withdrawal schedule for US troops and has been following through in accordance with that schedule.

Overturned the Bush administration ban on federal funding for embryonic stem cell research.

Has at least begun the fight for meaningful health insurance reform.

You forgot establishing the Obama-Youth Corps to create an army of young socialists to overtake America....oh wait, thankfully the right-wing media thwarted that initiative!! Whew!

TXduckdog
09-08-2009, 10:18 AM
He developed a $787 billion stimulus package and got it through Congress within about a month of his inauguration. The first impact of this was a tax cut of $400/individual and $800/couple which went into effect at the beginning of April.

He avoided a complete failure of GM and Chrysler

He inherited an economy that, by almost all predictions, was headed straight for depression and has managed to stabilize it for now with reasonable indications of a turnaround.

He refocused attention on Afghanistan which was rapidly headed for becoming a failed state, taking Pakistan with it. The jury is out on whether or not this effort will succeed, but at least we are now headed in the right direction.

He achieved buy-in from the Iraqis on a withdrawal schedule for US troops and has been following through in accordance with that schedule.

Overturned the Bush administration ban on federal funding for embryonic stem cell research.

Has at least begun the fight for meaningful health insurance reform.


Right off the DNC website.

I daresay GM and Chrysler would've survived if allowed to cut into the bloated albatross known as union benefits.

As for the economy.....Frank and Dodd were running rampant and are personally responsible for the economic debacle....that and the lack of oversight on the derivatives market.

Individual and family taxcuts while admirable are of no benefit to the engine that drives the American economic machine. Corporate and small business taxcuts are the key.

Yes...the Afghani situation is improving, but the leadership in place that is bringing about change was made by the previous admininstration as was the beginning of the troop withdrawal talks in Iran.

The Bush administration was not totally against stem cell research, just the methodology on the acquisition of the stem cells.

Amen...to the insurance reform.....but the initial heavy handed approach has probably doomed it for the near term.

Obama's biggest issue is his lack of control over his party in Congress.

YardleyLabs
09-08-2009, 10:32 AM
Right off the DNC website.

I daresay GM and Chrysler would've survived if allowed to cut into the bloated albatross known as union benefits.

As for the economy.....Frank and Dodd were running rampant and are personally responsible for the economic debacle....that and the lack of oversight on the derivatives market.

Individual and family taxcuts while admirable are of no benefit to the engine that drives the American economic machine. Corporate and small business taxcuts are the key.

Yes...the Afghani situation is improving, but the leadership in place that is bringing about change was made by the previous admininstration as was the beginning of the troop withdrawal talks in Iran.

The Bush administration was not totally against stem cell research, just the methodology on the acquisition of the stem cells.

Amen...to the insurance reform.....but the initial heavy handed approach has probably doomed it for the near term.

Obama's biggest issue is his lack of control over his party in Congress.

Where did you find it on the DNC web site?

On the economy, I said nothing about the source of the economic problems, although I disagree with your attribution. I commented on the effectiveness of Obama policies in helping to improve the situation at least for now. The WSJ noted, with respect to the stimulus program, that

“…Economists say the money out the door -- combined with the expectation of additional funds flowing soon -- is fueling growth above where it would have been without any government action. Many forecasters say stimulus spending is adding two to three percentage points to economic growth in the second and third quarters, when measured at an annual rate. The impact in the second quarter, calculated by analyzing how the extra funds flowing into the economy boost consumption, investment and spending, helped slow the rate of decline and will lay the groundwork for positive growth in the third quarter -- something that seemed almost implausible just a few months ago.”

Consumption is the engine that drives small business and large business. By handing out the tax cut in dribbles, spread across each pay check, the administration accomplished something that failed when tax cut checks were sent out in lump sums. People actually spent the money resulting in a boost in consumption. The second part of the stimulus program, expanded capital spending is kicking in just now and should provide continued stimulus ad respite while the economy continues a more fundamental recovery over time.

Terry Britton
09-08-2009, 02:12 PM
I can agree with you there about the lies. Lets start with the last administration first.

Just file a complaint with the BAR association where he is licensed to practice law. :)

Terry Britton
09-08-2009, 02:16 PM
The activities list from the dept of ed is just that. Did you read it? it's asking basic comprehension questions, what did it mean to you? NOTHING about paramilitary organization! That is what Hitler Youth was (paramilitary group). Has anyone seen a Hitler Youth classroom activities guide? (I haven't)

I'm afraid this will go in the same history book chapter as the birther movement and death panels. Far right scare tactics. Actually, that might warrant an entire book!

It would have been okay if all activities refering to helping "Obama" were removed and replaced with helping your community, country, or yourself. It fell in line with the beginnings of what communist dictators spell out for their school children.

Buzz
09-08-2009, 02:37 PM
It fell in line with the beginnings of what communist dictators spell out for their school children.


Have any examples you can compare and contrast?:confused:

Terry Britton
09-08-2009, 02:52 PM
Just read up on your history, and see how these things develop over time.

http://histclo.com/Youth/youth/org/nat/hitler/hitler.htm

dnf777
09-08-2009, 03:46 PM
Just read up on your history, and see how these things develop over time.

http://histclo.com/Youth/youth/org/nat/hitler/hitler.htm

This following exerpt is taken from the link you provided:

"There was to be no "intelectual" training for the boys of the New Order, he saw intelectual pursuits as damaging to German youth."

How does that jive with Obama's message of staying in school and hittin' the books?

Blackstone
09-08-2009, 04:04 PM
It would have been okay if all activities refering to helping "Obama" were removed and replaced with helping your community, country, or yourself. It fell in line with the beginnings of what communist dictators spell out for their school children.

George H. W. Bush made almost identical comments in his speech to school children in 1991.


Let me leave you with a simple message: Every time you walk through that classroom door, make it your mission to get a good education. Don't do it just because your parents, or even the President, tells you. Do it for yourselves. Do it for your future. And while you're at it, help a little brother or sister to learn, or maybe even Mom or Dad. Let me know how you're doing. Write me a letter -- and I'm serious about this one -- write me a letter about ways you can help us achieve our goals. I think you know the address.

When Bush said it, no one thought it smacked of indoctrination into a Hitler Youth like movement. It was an innocuous statement then, just like it was when Obama had it in his original speech.

It has gotten ridicules that almost everything Obama says or does gets distorted into being part of some insidious plot. Actually, the only ones I see trying to indoctrinate and brainwash people are the nut cases like Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Mark Hannity and others preaching their Obama socialist conspiracy and racism propaganda. I just hope most “reasonable” people won’t be so easily misled.

BonMallari
09-08-2009, 04:14 PM
George H. W. Bush made almost identical comments in his speech to school children in 1991.



When Bush said it, no one thought it smacked of indoctrination into a Hitler Youth like movement. It was an innocuous statement then, just like it was when Obama had it in his original speech.

It has gotten ridicules that almost everything Obama says or does gets distorted into being part of some insidious plot. Actually, the only ones I see trying to indoctrinate and brainwash people are the nut cases like Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Mark Hannity and others preaching their Obama socialist conspiracy and racism propaganda. I just hope most ďreasonableĒ people wonít be so easily misled.

And Randi Rhodes, Jeanine Garafalo, and Al Franken with the rest of the Air America crew dont preach the same type of garble from the left...each side has their political commentators..just because you dont agree with their message that doesnt make them " nut cases "
its really what living in America is all about. Be very thankful that we live in a country where you still get a choice of who you want to listen to,just because you dont agree with them doesnt mean they are wrong

dnf777
09-08-2009, 05:33 PM
And Randi Rhodes, Jeanine Garafalo, and Al Franken with the rest of the Air America crew dont preach the same type of garble from the left...each side has their political commentators..just because you dont agree with their message that doesnt make them " nut cases "
its really what living in America is all about. Be very thankful that we live in a country where you still get a choice of who you want to listen to,just because you dont agree with them doesnt mean they are wrong

I agree with what you say, except I think there's a difference between honest policy disagreement, even name-calling...and comparing someone to arguably the most evil person to walk the earth, responsible for nearly wiping out an entire ethnic group of people, don't you?

Call him the Joker all day, but Hitler is different. Esp nowadays where these pundits know that there are loose cannons out there who just may be inspired to act upon these characterizations with a sense of ritcheousness. (on both sides) The Joker and Darth don't typically evoke viceral responses in people.

BonMallari
09-08-2009, 05:54 PM
Both sides are GUILTY of using vile characters to associate their mythical boogey man.

the far left used to use the jackbooted thugs and made VP Cheney to be the most evil dangerous man on earth

the far right uses the Hitler reference because no one in their right mind can defend anything he did as being sane or just

I think thats one of the things that further polarizes our country is both extremes playing their cards while most of America lies somewhere left of center and somewhere right of center and neither group has anyone speaking in their behalf

gman0046
09-08-2009, 06:20 PM
Dnf777, hows your 401K doing? Are you happy with the current value of your home? If you have stock portfolio, are you happy with it? Just wait until the Joker gets into your health care. Long after your gone your kids and grand kids will be facing the debt the Joker has inflicted on this country.

Blackstone
09-08-2009, 06:22 PM
And Randi Rhodes, Jeanine Garafalo, and Al Franken with the rest of the Air America crew dont preach the same type of garble from the left...each side has their political commentators..just because you dont agree with their message that doesnt make them " nut cases "
its really what living in America is all about. Be very thankful that we live in a country where you still get a choice of who you want to listen to,just because you dont agree with them doesnt mean they are wrong

Itís not that I disagree with them that makes them nut cases. What makes them nut cases, in my opinion, are baseless, slanderous accusations being leveled at Obama when he doesnít deserve it. Some of the accusations being made are gross exaggerations that defy simple logic (comparison to Hitler, indoctrination of youth, reparations, etc). Their only purpose can be to mislead those willing to listen and follow without thinking about. It really doesnít matter to me if this sort of inane rhetoric comes from the extreme left or the extreme right, itís equally ridiculous.

gman0046
09-08-2009, 07:27 PM
Can an Obama supporter please tell where are all the jobs that were supposed to be created by Obama's Stimulus Package? Unemployment is the highest in 25 years and being reported anywhere from 9.7% to 16%. Another Snow Job.
How about Cash For Clunkers? Here are the facts.
A vehicle at 15 mpg and 12,000 miles per year uses 800 gallons of gas per year. A vehicle at 25 mpg and 12,000 miles uses 480 gallons a year.
So, getting rid of each average Clunker will reduce US gasoline consumption by 320 gallons per year.
They claim 700,000 vehicles - so thats 224 million gallons/ year.
That equates to a bit over 5 million barrels of oil.
5 million barrels of oil is about 1/4 of one days US consumption.
And, 5 million barrels of oil costs about $350 million dollars at $75/bbl.
So we all contributed to spending $3 billion to save $350 million.

And These Clowns want to run our Health Care????

dnf777
09-08-2009, 08:26 PM
Dnf777, hows your 401K doing? Are you happy with the current value of your home? If you have stock portfolio, are you happy with it? Just wait until the Joker gets into your health care. Long after your gone your kids and grand kids will be facing the debt the Joker has inflicted on this country.

My latest summary shows I'm up 30% this year. If I could do that every year, I'd be able to retire and spend more time with the dogs while I still resemble a young man!

I live in a chronically depressed area, so our home values didn't soar with the bubble, and didn't burst with the crash. Pretty even there.

If you want to assign 401k performance to the president's policies, I assume you were a HUGE Clinton fan! I can't recall the specific numbers, but didn't the DJIA triple during his tenure as president? (Now I don't believe that, but you seemed to link 401k performance with the president?)

As for our kids paying off debt...the Joker's mask has been worn by several presidents lately, Obama being the last in a string of two Bushes and one Reagan, when it comes to running up the national debt.

dnf777
09-08-2009, 08:41 PM
Can an Obama supporter please tell where are all the jobs that were supposed to be created by Obama's Stimulus Package?

I could answer with the question, "where is all the economic stimulus that Bush's tax cuts were promised to produce? All the jobs?" But I won't.

But come on! You know darn well that NO policy is going to cure our economic woes overnite, in a year, or probably not even in a presidential term. I"m no Obama supporter, but I guess after the past 8 years of failure, I'm willing to give him a fair chance, just like I did for Bush. He himself warned that there was no magic bullet, and this will take a long time to turn around. (Obama)

Your question IS the BIG question. Will the massive investment we call the stimulus package work? Or is it only going to create a flash in the pan to get us by another few years. Personally, I fear that is the case, but I pray that I"m wrong, because we're gonna run out of options here if something doesn't work. I think our best hope of recovery is a relative recovery, meaning that other major economies will falter worse than ours, and subsequently save the value of the dollar. Like it or not, that may result from the labor movements taking hold in China and other emerging labor markets. Yes, that means unions...demanding living conditions that OUR workers fought for, and ultimately rendered us non-competitive in the global economy.

Another concern with the stimulus package is a lack of accountability. Bush and Obama share this blame. I remember the bank bailout when Hank Paulson held up a ONE page document outlining how 790 billion would be allocated! It takes me an 8 page consent form to remove a mole off someone's butt, and he was going to hand over 800B with ONE page of conditions??!! Obama has not corrected this, and I fear we funded LOTS of extravagant executive perks this year.

YardleyLabs
09-08-2009, 08:58 PM
Can an Obama supporter please tell where are all the jobs that were supposed to be created by Obama's Stimulus Package? Unemployment is the highest in 25 years and being reported anywhere from 9.7% to 16%. Another Snow Job.
How about Cash For Clunkers? Here are the facts.
A vehicle at 15 mpg and 12,000 miles per year uses 800 gallons of gas per year. A vehicle at 25 mpg and 12,000 miles uses 480 gallons a year.
So, getting rid of each average Clunker will reduce US gasoline consumption by 320 gallons per year.
They claim 700,000 vehicles - so thats 224 million gallons/ year.
That equates to a bit over 5 million barrels of oil.
5 million barrels of oil is about 1/4 of one days US consumption.
And, 5 million barrels of oil costs about $350 million dollars at $75/bbl.
So we all contributed to spending $3 billion to save $350 million.

And These Clowns want to run our Health Care????

When this process started, I commented that no one would ever be able to prove definitively whether the stimulus package helped or not and whether it created jobs or not. That, by the way, is true of all economic policies. Republicans have routinely claimed that tax cuts increase revenues, create jobs, and stimulate the economy regardless of context. If I accepted all that was stated by Supply Siders, I would reduce all taxes to negative levels (that is, the government pays the tax payers) and rest assured that tax revenues would go up anyway and that the economy would finally begin reaching its true potential.;-) The reality is that there is never any proof. There are only economc models that try to dissect what has happened and what will happen based on theoretical constructs of the economy. Some of these models are better tested than others, but none is perfect.

As I noted in an eralier post, economists interviewed by the Wall Street Journal believe that the stimulus program has contributed about 3% growth to the economy. (See http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125185379218478087.html) That represents almost the entire growth now being seen. It translates to jobs saved and jobs created on a legging basis. That is, job increases are one of the last things to happen during an economic recovery. However, it is notable that job losses have slowed much faster than most economists had predicted.

gman0046
09-08-2009, 09:20 PM
dnf777, get over blaming everything on Bush. Under Bush the NYSE DJIA went to 14,164. It has tanked since Osama took office. The DJIA right now is in the 9400 range a full 5000 pts lower. You must be using creative math when you state your stock portfolio is up 30% under the Joker. Interesting how the unemployment rate is at a 25 year high with all the jobs Obama created. Hows that????? Did you read my post on the Cash for Clunkers debacle???? It is also interesting that Obama reached the lowest Presidential approval rating the fastest since Truman. Hows that???? I guess not everyone thinks like you do.

dnf777
09-08-2009, 10:18 PM
dnf777, get over blaming everything on Bush. Under Bush the NYSE DJIA went to 14,164. It has tanked since Osama took office. The DJIA right now is in the 9400 range a full 5000 pts lower. You must be using creative math when you state your stock portfolio is up 30% under the Joker. Interesting how the unemployment rate is at a 25 year high with all the jobs Obama created. Hows that????? Did you read my post on the Cash for Clunkers debacle???? It is also interesting that Obama reached the lowest Presidential approval rating the fastest since Truman. Hows that???? I guess not everyone thinks like you do.

The "lowest approval rating"? He's still at twice of what W left office!
Check American Growth Funds. Up 24% in past 12 months. I'm not giving away all my investments. I pay too much for that advice! :p Again, I don't credit presidents with stock market performance. I just asked where the jobs and economic growth due to Bush's tax cuts are? Is that not a legitimate question? I'd like to know before I choose who to support in 2012. You never learn unless you evaluate the outcomes of your actions.

I'll say again, I'm not an Obama supporter. I'm just willing to give the guy a chance, like I did for Bush. I also try to refrain from calling the President of the United States names. It undermines any point one is trying to make to resort to name calling. Legitimate debate can occur without demonization and name calling. I'm of the belief that both sides of the political spectrum have meaningful contributions and ideas. If we just name call and reduce ourselves to the lowest common denominators, we accomplish nothing.

Blackstone
09-08-2009, 11:20 PM
dnf777, get over blaming everything on Bush. Under Bush the NYSE DJIA went to 14,164. It has tanked since Osama took office. The DJIA right now is in the 9400 range a full 5000 pts lower. You must be using creative math when you state your stock portfolio is up 30% under the Joker. Interesting how the unemployment rate is at a 25 year high with all the jobs Obama created. Hows that????? Did you read my post on the Cash for Clunkers debacle???? It is also interesting that Obama reached the lowest Presidential approval rating the fastest since Truman. Hows that???? I guess not everyone thinks like you do.

So, you think everything was going well before Obama took office? Housing prices had already plummeted. Unemployment was rising exponentially (from about 4.2% to 7.6%), and the stock market, after losing nearly 6,000 pts., was in the tank. The economy had actually been on a downhill slide since 2005, gaining momentum as it went. Obama inherited the worst economy since the great depression, and you think he should have been able to turn it all around in 8 months? Thatís pretty unrealistic.

The reality is it usually takes longer to fix things than it does to break them. Some of the things Obama is trying are going to work, and some are not. Thatís just the way it is. There are not set rules or quick fixes for fixing an economy on the verge of collapse. If there were, it would have already happened. Even some of the most highly regarded economist in the world canít agree on how to fix this mess. I may not agree with everything Obama has done so far, but I do believe he is trying. Only time will tell if heís right.

Buzz
09-08-2009, 11:38 PM
dnf777, get over blaming everything on Bush. Under Bush the NYSE DJIA went to 14,164. It has tanked since Osama took office. The DJIA right now is in the 9400 range a full 5000 pts lower. You must be using creative math when you state your stock portfolio is up 30% under the Joker. Interesting how the unemployment rate is at a 25 year high with all the jobs Obama created. Hows that????? Did you read my post on the Cash for Clunkers debacle???? It is also interesting that Obama reached the lowest Presidential approval rating the fastest since Truman. Hows that???? I guess not everyone thinks like you do.


Good Lord, talk about reinventing history. Take a look at the DJIA, the bottom was March 6, 2009. It fell off the cliff in 2008, when your hero was still president. It's up almost 30% since March.

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n3/davebezesky/djia.jpg

Terry Britton
09-08-2009, 11:56 PM
THe economy failing was caused by multiple cycles collapsing at once... Usually they only line up once every 70 years. Innovation is the only way out, which higher taxes will prevent.

YardleyLabs
09-09-2009, 07:03 AM
As a followup on the President's speech. Two local school districts decided not to show the speech (both Republican controlled). In one, the school board is now under major fire. It has repeatedly allowed local Republicans to come into the schools and make presentations to the students without screening, but decided not to show the Obama speech. Initial statements suggested concern about the potential political content of the speech. Now, amid calls for a recall election, they are saying that they would have shown it but that they lacked the technology to rebroadcast an internet based speech to classrooms and were not aware the speech was also available on cable. For what it's worth, almost every school district that decided to go ahead and broadcast the speech is also Republican controlled.

Buzz
09-09-2009, 09:26 AM
As a followup on the President's speech. Two local school districts decided not to show the speech (both Republican controlled). In one, the school board is now under major fire. It has repeatedly allowed local Republicans to come into the schools and make presentations to the students without screening, but decided not to show the Obama speech. Initial statements suggested concern about the potential political content of the speech. Now, amid calls for a recall election, they are saying that they would have shown it but that they lacked the technology to rebroadcast an internet based speech to classrooms and were not aware the speech was also available on cable. For what it's worth, almost every school district that decided to go ahead and broadcast the speech is also Republican controlled.


They did not show it to my daughters class yesterday. We were at a birthday party last night, about half the kids saw it and about half the kids didn't. So, I imagine they left it up to the teachers.

sixpacklabs
09-09-2009, 11:15 AM
It is also interesting that Obama reached the lowest Presidential approval rating the fastest since Truman.
How are you figuring that? If you want to look at quick slides in approval ratings, I think Gerald Ford might hold the record, going from 71% to 37% over a 7 month period, for an average slide of 4.86 percentage points/month. Obama has gone from 69% to 50% over 7 months, so that's 2.71 points per month. Looks like Gerald's got him beat! G.H.W. Bush also has him beat, with his approval rating declining by an average of 3.53 percentage points/month between his zenith and nadir. You neglected to mention that G.H.W. Bush is tied with Truman for the largest difference between a President's highest and lowest approval rating. It took more than 5 years for Harry's approval ratings to drop from their highest to lowest point, so he's not even in the running for top honors.

If you want to know which Presidents since 1937 have had the lowest single approval rating, they would be Truman (22%), Nixon (24%), and G.W. Bush (25%).

ducknwork
09-09-2009, 11:38 AM
I believe that approval ratings are pretty much useless. They are driven more by the media and idiots who believe everything they watch on the dummy box than educated people who give a crap. Not to mention, you can get whatever ratings you want based on who and where you sample.

I find it hard to believe that the messiah's ratings will ever get into the 20% range, largely due to ignorance of his supporters and the MSM bias.
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Roger Perry
09-09-2009, 11:55 AM
I believe that approval ratings are pretty much useless. They are driven more by the media and idiots who believe everything they watch on the dummy box than educated people who give a crap. Not to mention, you can get whatever ratings you want based on who and where you sample.

I find it hard to believe that the messiah's ratings will ever get into the 20% range, largely due to ignorance of his supporters and the MSM bias.

Do you mean the "educated people" that watch or listen to Limbaugh, Beck or Hannity?

ducknwork
09-09-2009, 12:18 PM
Do you mean the "educated people" that watch or listen to Limbaugh, Beck or Hannity?

Pot stirrer;)...No need to answer you. Re read the bold part. NO TV is 100% truth.


I believe that approval ratings are pretty much useless. They are driven more by the media and idiots who believe everything they watch on the dummy box than educated people who give a crap. Not to mention, you can get whatever ratings you want based on who and where you sample.

I find it hard to believe that the messiah's ratings will ever get into the 20% range, largely due to ignorance of his supporters and the MSM bias.

It will be difficult for the media to have much negative influence on Obama's poll numbers when you have 1 right wing station versus 2,375 liberal stations in a liberal world.
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TXduckdog
09-09-2009, 12:50 PM
So, you think everything was going well before Obama took office? Housing prices had already plummeted. Unemployment was rising exponentially (from about 4.2% to 7.6%), and the stock market, after losing nearly 6,000 pts., was in the tank. The economy had actually been on a downhill slide since 2005, gaining momentum as it went. Obama inherited the worst economy since the great depression, and you think he should have been able to turn it all around in 8 months? Thatís pretty unrealistic.

The reality is it usually takes longer to fix things than it does to break them. Some of the things Obama is trying are going to work, and some are not. Thatís just the way it is. There are not set rules or quick fixes for fixing an economy on the verge of collapse. If there were, it would have already happened. Even some of the most highly regarded economist in the world canít agree on how to fix this mess. I may not agree with everything Obama has done so far, but I do believe he is trying. Only time will tell if heís right.


And how long had Frank and Dodd, et al, been manipulating Fannie and Freddie per the policies that were formulated in the Slick Willie administration?

Talk about chickens coming home to roost.

The thing that really bothers me is why the hell was Bush signing irresponsible legislation coming from a Democratic congress?

It was the Bush admin but far from republican/conservative legislation.

TXduckdog
09-09-2009, 01:05 PM
Good Lord, talk about reinventing history. Take a look at the DJIA, the bottom was March 6, 2009. It fell off the cliff in 2008, when your hero was still president. It's up almost 30% since March.

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n3/davebezesky/djia.jpg


Buzz...where's the rest of that graph? Can u put up 09 to date?