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Buzz
09-07-2009, 01:21 PM
I hope the wounds my daughter suffers from being subjected to his heal without too much scarring.

I had to break it into two pieces, and follow up with a reply because of the length.


Hello everyone - how's everybody doing today? I'm here with students at Wakefield High School in Arlington, Virginia. And we've got students tuning in from all across America, kindergarten through twelfth grade. I'm glad you all could join us today.

I know that for many of you, today is the first day of school. And for those of you in kindergarten, or starting middle or high school, it's your first day in a new school, so it's understandable if you're a little nervous. I imagine there are some seniors out there who are feeling pretty good right now, with just one more year to go. And no matter what grade you're in, some of you are probably wishing it were still summer, and you could've stayed in bed just a little longer this morning.

I know that feeling. When I was young, my family lived in Indonesia for a few years, and my mother didn't have the money to send me where all the American kids went to school. So she decided to teach me extra lessons herself, Monday through Friday - at 4:30 in the morning.

Now I wasn't too happy about getting up that early. A lot of times, I'd fall asleep right there at the kitchen table. But whenever I'd complain, my mother would just give me one of those looks and say, "This is no picnic for me either, buster."

So I know some of you are still adjusting to being back at school. But I'm here today because I have something important to discuss with you. I'm here because I want to talk with you about your education and what's expected of all of you in this new school year.

Now I've given a lot of speeches about education. And I've talked a lot about responsibility.

I've talked about your teachers' responsibility for inspiring you, and pushing you to learn.

I've talked about your parents' responsibility for making sure you stay on track, and get your homework done, and don't spend every waking hour in front of the TV or with that Xbox.

I've talked a lot about your government's responsibility for setting high standards, supporting teachers and principals, and turning around schools that aren't working where students aren't getting the opportunities they deserve.

But at the end of the day, we can have the most dedicated teachers, the most supportive parents, and the best schools in the world - and none of it will matter unless all of you fulfill your responsibilities. Unless you show up to those schools; pay attention to those teachers; listen to your parents, grandparents and other adults; and put in the hard work it takes to succeed.

And that's what I want to focus on today: the responsibility each of you has for your education. I want to start with the responsibility you have to yourself.

Every single one of you has something you're good at. Every single one of you has something to offer. And you have a responsibility to yourself to discover what that is. That's the opportunity an education can provide.

Maybe you could be a good writer - maybe even good enough to write a book or articles in a newspaper - but you might not know it until you write a paper for your English class. Maybe you could be an innovator or an inventor - maybe even good enough to come up with the next iPhone or a new medicine or vaccine - but you might not know it until you do a project for your science class. Maybe you could be a mayor or a Senator or a Supreme Court Justice, but you might not know that until you join student government or the debate team.

And no matter what you want to do with your life - I guarantee that you'll need an education to do it. You want to be a doctor, or a teacher, or a police officer? You want to be a nurse or an architect, a lawyer or a member of our military? You're going to need a good education for every single one of those careers. You can't drop out of school and just drop into a good job. You've got to work for it and train for it and learn for it.

And this isn't just important for your own life and your own future. What you make of your education will decide nothing less than the future of this country. What you're learning in school today will determine whether we as a nation can meet our greatest challenges in the future.

You'll need the knowledge and problem-solving skills you learn in science and math to cure diseases like cancer and AIDS, and to develop new energy technologies and protect our environment. You'll need the insights and critical thinking skills you gain in history and social studies to fight poverty and homelessness, crime and discrimination, and make our nation more fair and more free. You'll need the creativity and ingenuity you develop in all your classes to build new companies that will create new jobs and boost our economy.

We need every single one of you to develop your talents, skills and intellect so you can help solve our most difficult problems. If you don't do that - if you quit on school - you're not just quitting on yourself, you're quitting on your country.

Now I know it's not always easy to do well in school. I know a lot of you have challenges in your lives right now that can make it hard to focus on your schoolwork.

I get it. I know what that's like. My father left my family when I was two years old, and I was raised by a single mother who struggled at times to pay the bills and wasn't always able to give us things the other kids had. There were times when I missed having a father in my life. There were times when I was lonely and felt like I didn't fit in.

Buzz
09-07-2009, 01:22 PM
I had to break into two posts because of the length..


So I wasn't always as focused as I should have been. I did some things I'm not proud of, and got in more trouble than I should have. And my life could have easily taken a turn for the worse.

But I was fortunate. I got a lot of second chances and had the opportunity to go to college, and law school, and follow my dreams. My wife, our First Lady Michelle Obama, has a similar story. Neither of her parents had gone to college, and they didn't have much. But they worked hard, and she worked hard, so that she could go to the best schools in this country.

Some of you might not have those advantages. Maybe you don't have adults in your life who give you the support that you need. Maybe someone in your family has lost their job, and there's not enough money to go around. Maybe you live in a neighborhood where you don't feel safe, or have friends who are pressuring you to do things you know aren't right.

But at the end of the day, the circumstances of your life - what you look like, where you come from, how much money you have, what you've got going on at home - that's no excuse for neglecting your homework or having a bad attitude. That's no excuse for talking back to your teacher, or cutting class, or dropping out of school. That's no excuse for not trying.

Where you are right now doesn't have to determine where you'll end up. No one's written your destiny for you. Here in America, you write your own destiny. You make your own future.

That's what young people like you are doing every day, all across America.

Young people like Jazmin Perez, from Roma, Texas. Jazmin didn't speak English when she first started school. Hardly anyone in her hometown went to college, and neither of her parents had gone either. But she worked hard, earned good grades, got a scholarship to Brown University, and is now in graduate school, studying public health, on her way to being Dr. Jazmin Perez.

I'm thinking about Andoni Schultz, from Los Altos, California, who's fought brain cancer since he was three. He's endured all sorts of treatments and surgeries, one of which affected his memory, so it took him much longer - hundreds of extra hours - to do his schoolwork. But he never fell behind, and he's headed to college this fall.

And then there's Shantell Steve, from my hometown of Chicago, Illinois. Even when bouncing from foster home to foster home in the toughest neighborhoods, she managed to get a job at a local health center; start a program to keep young people out of gangs; and she's on track to graduate high school with honors and go on to college.

Jazmin, Andoni and Shantell aren't any different from any of you. They faced challenges in their lives just like you do. But they refused to give up. They chose to take responsibility for their education and set goals for themselves. And I expect all of you to do the same.

That's why today, I'm calling on each of you to set your own goals for your education - and to do everything you can to meet them. Your goal can be something as simple as doing all your homework, paying attention in class, or spending time each day reading a book.

Maybe you'll decide to get involved in an extracurricular activity, or volunteer in your community. Maybe you'll decide to stand up for kids who are being teased or bullied because of who they are or how they look, because you believe, like I do, that all kids deserve a safe environment to study and learn. Maybe you'll decide to take better care of yourself so you can be more ready to learn. And along those lines, I hope you'll all wash your hands a lot, and stay home from school when you don't feel well, so we can keep people from getting the flu this fall and winter.

Whatever you resolve to do, I want you to commit to it. I want you to really work at it.

I know that sometimes, you get the sense from TV that you can be rich and successful without any hard work -- that your ticket to success is through rapping or basketball or being a reality TV star, when chances are, you're not going to be any of those things.

But the truth is, being successful is hard. You won't love every subject you study. You won't click with every teacher. Not every homework assignment will seem completely relevant to your life right this minute. And you won't necessarily succeed at everything the first time you try.

That's OK. Some of the most successful people in the world are the ones who've had the most failures. JK Rowling's first Harry Potter book was rejected twelve times before it was finally published. Michael Jordan was cut from his high school basketball team, and he lost hundreds of games and missed thousands of shots during his career. But he once said, "I have failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."

These people succeeded because they understand that you can't let your failures define you - you have to let them teach you. You have to let them show you what to do differently next time. If you get in trouble, that doesn't mean you're a troublemaker, it means you need to try harder to behave. If you get a bad grade, that doesn't mean you're stupid, it just means you need to spend more time studying.

No one's born being good at things, you become good at things through hard work. You're not a varsity athlete the first time you play a new sport. You don't hit every note the first time you sing a song. You've got to practice. It's the same with your schoolwork. You might have to do a math problem a few times before you get it right, or read something a few times before you understand it, or do a few drafts of a paper before it's good enough to hand in.

Don't be afraid to ask questions. Don't be afraid to ask for help when you need it. I do that every day. Asking for help isn't a sign of weakness, it's a sign of strength. It shows you have the courage to admit when you don't know something, and to learn something new. So find an adult you trust - a parent, grandparent or teacher; a coach or counselor - and ask them to help you stay on track to meet your goals.

And even when you're struggling, even when you're discouraged, and you feel like other people have given up on you - don't ever give up on yourself. Because when you give up on yourself, you give up on your country.

The story of America isn't about people who quit when things got tough. It's about people who kept going, who tried harder, who loved their country too much to do anything less than their best.

It's the story of students who sat where you sit 250 years ago, and went on to wage a revolution and found this nation. Students who sat where you sit 75 years ago who overcame a Depression and won a world war; who fought for civil rights and put a man on the moon. Students who sat where you sit 20 years ago who founded Google, Twitter and Facebook and changed the way we communicate with each other.

So today, I want to ask you, what's your contribution going to be? What problems are you going to solve? What discoveries will you make? What will a president who comes here in twenty or fifty or one hundred years say about what all of you did for this country?

Your families, your teachers, and I are doing everything we can to make sure you have the education you need to answer these questions. I'm working hard to fix up your classrooms and get you the books, equipment and computers you need to learn. But you've got to do your part too. So I expect you to get serious this year. I expect you to put your best effort into everything you do. I expect great things from each of you. So don't let us down - don't let your family or your country or yourself down. Make us all proud. I know you can do it.

Thank you, God bless you, and God bless America.

YardleyLabs
09-07-2009, 02:13 PM
I know you are trying to show that this presentation is harmless, but you could not be further from the truth. While it takes a little effort, the message is not hard to decipher. I have highlighted the key letters below:
"Hello everyone - how's everybody doing today? I'm here with students at Wakefield High School in Arlington, Virginia. And we've got students tuning in from all across America, kindergarten through twelfth grade. I'm glad you all could join us today.

I know t hat for many of you, today is the first day of school. And for those of you in kindergarten, or starting middle or high school, it's your first day in a new school, so it's understandable if you're a little nervous. I imagine there are some seniors out there who are feeling pretty good right now, with just one more year to go. And no matter what grade you're in, some of you are probably wishing it were still summer, and you could've stayed in bed just a little longer this morning.

I know that feeling. When I was young, my family live d in Indonesia for a few years, and my mother didn't have the money to send me where all the American kids went to school. So she decided to teach me extra lessons herself, Monday through Friday - at 4:30 in the morning."

What these words actually spell is horrifying:

"I am yahweh
I am God
Do as I say
Friday - at 4:30 in the morning."

The proof of the message lies in simple math. There are 66 letters and words in the resulting message. The ratio of letters and words in the resulting message to the number of words in the source text is 1.618, more commonly known as the golden ratio or divine proportion, an effort to conceal what we know is the true source of the message. At the end of this section, we have the secret key -- Friday at 4:30 in the morning -- when all school children will awaken to receive their instructions on what they must do next to fulfill the Obama Mission.

I could go on, giving the full text of the rest of his message, but to do so what put my own life at even greater risk. Let's just say that on Saturday, September 19, the LRC Field Trial in Elkton Maryland might be the one safe haven left for those of us with dogs and guns.;) I hope to be able to see you there.

mjh345
09-07-2009, 02:44 PM
AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!
The horror
Jeff thanks for revealing the truth

Now I know what roadkill meant when he said "Be afraid, be VERY afraid.

It is worse than I imagined

AAAAAAHHH!!

BonMallari
09-07-2009, 02:50 PM
is there a website so I can download that secret decoder for future messages...I might have already missed an important message or two...:rolleyes:

YardleyLabs
09-07-2009, 02:56 PM
is there a website so I can download that secret decoder for future messages...I might have already missed an important message or two...:rolleyes:
As my calculus professor used to say in 10th grade, "It's intuitively obvious." :D

Hew
09-07-2009, 03:11 PM
Buzz,

How do you know this was the original speech? Do you think it's possible that the speech was revised a few times before the finished product and scrubbed of political/objectionable content? Just like the curriculum was revised and scrubbed. Your smugness at what seems like a nice, harmless little speech might be misplaced given the possibility/liklihood that the objections from MANY (not just the wingnut Right) over the curriculum influenced the final product of the speech.

In other words, right-thinking Americans should be the ones gloating as we influenced the content of your boy's speech. ;-)

Buzz
09-07-2009, 03:21 PM
Buzz,


In other words, right-thinking Americans should be the ones gloating as we influenced the content of your boy's speech. ;-)

Whatever gets ya through the night...

dnf777
09-07-2009, 04:06 PM
Buzz,

How do you know this was the original speech? Do you think it's possible that the speech was revised a few times before the finished product and scrubbed of political/objectionable content? Just like the curriculum was revised and scrubbed. Your smugness at what seems like a nice, harmless little speech might be misplaced given the possibility/liklihood that the objections from MANY (not just the wingnut Right) over the curriculum influenced the final product of the speech.

In other words, right-thinking Americans should be the ones gloating as we influenced the content of your boy's speech. ;-)

They cut out the part about the contrails really being high-altitude crop-dusters releasing mind-controlling particles that we inhale, then migrate to the brain and await further instructions, coming from all those newly erected "cell phone towers" in our towns and cities. Didn't want to vindicate all the conspiracy theorists quite yet. Though they could sneak the 4:30 am cues in , but Yardley figured them out. If that IS his real name....:rolleyes:

Roger Perry
09-07-2009, 04:36 PM
They cut out the part about the contrails really being high-altitude crop-dusters releasing mind-controlling particles that we inhale, then migrate to the brain and await further instructions, coming from all those newly erected "cell phone towers" in our towns and cities. Didn't want to vindicate all the conspiracy theorists quite yet. Though they could sneak the 4:30 am cues in , but Yardley figured them out. If that IS his real name....:rolleyes:

Don't forget about the "poisoning of our drinking water" to discombobulate the minds of our young.

Mike Noel
09-07-2009, 04:37 PM
2 things.....First of all, some folks ARE born being good at things and second, talk about sermonizing....I bet 99% of his audience checks out after the first 3 or 4 paragraphs and they won't remember what he says.:razz:

TXduckdog
09-07-2009, 06:11 PM
It's STILL a ridiculously stupid idea and WAY more than the majority of this country is willing to tolerate from this administration. Which is the only thing that matters.

My message to the President....so instead of throwing wild ass ideas up against the wall to see if they stick.......try to focus on working on the more urgent matters on your desk...like coming through on just one of your campaign promises....you know...transparency, cutting government beauracracy, creating jobs, etc, etc.

If you were even infintesimally successful on a few of those, perhaps folks would trust you more.

dnf777
09-07-2009, 08:20 PM
The attacks against him are comical at this point. All the fears of socialism indoctrination fell flat on their face, political coercion fears are unfounded, so whats left? Too boring? Too Wild ass??

All he said it what any parent out there has told their kids, and hope a little of it gets through. Quit making excuses, keep trying, don't give up. Do people hate and fear Obama so much that they have to attack that simple message? As for "focusing on more urgent matters" did anyone bother with that advice as Bush was reading picture books to kids when we were under attack? Come on, get real. Taking a few hours to speak to kids, the future of our country, and maybe, just maybe inspire ONE kid to do better is so wrong? Now I completely understand the right wing, and am glad I no longer belong to the party of negativism, character smearing, and contrarianism.

This type of attack, along with the "death panelers" really undermines credibility. If, on rare occasion, righties could bring themselves to say he did something right for a change, I would be more likely to listen to the criticism. But when the discourse becomes name calling, and blind attacks of EVERYTHING he does, it just becomes static. This speech was an excellent opportunity to show that they judge issues on merit, not strictly on the lead of the right wing media (Rush, Hannity, Malkin, Coulter, Savage, Ingrham.....)

Ask youself, if Bush gave that same exact speech, would you be so indignant? Would it be so "wild ass"?

dnf777
09-07-2009, 09:46 PM
Don't forget about the "poisoning of our drinking water" to discombobulate the minds of our young.

When you play his speech backwards, the poisoning of the water is right behind (or in front of?) the "kill whitey" instructions.

Has anyone read the transcript in the mirror to see the REAL message?

Buzz
09-07-2009, 10:39 PM
This speech was an excellent opportunity to show that they judge issues on merit, not strictly on the lead of the right wing media (Rush, Hannity, Malkin, Coulter, Savage, Ingrham.....)



Left out my personal favorite, Glenn Beck.

You really need to give him a listen. You'll flip, I guarantee it.

Buzz
09-07-2009, 10:40 PM
When you play his speech backwards, the poisoning of the water is right behind (or in front of?) the "kill whitey" instructions.

Has anyone read the transcript in the mirror to see the REAL message?

Thanks for the great laugh. I needed it...:p

Hew
09-08-2009, 12:46 AM
Left out my personal favorite, Glenn Beck.

You really need to give him a listen. You'll flip, I guarantee it.
Yeah, because he's just so craaaaaaaaaazzzzzzzzy!!! I mean, really....what kind of bat-shit crazy, right wingnut facist would have the audacity to call Obama a racist?!? Ain't that right, Buzz?

Gun_Dog2002
09-08-2009, 02:26 AM
So, out of curiosity, if the presidents before him did this, where is the change?


/Paul

Bruce MacPherson
09-08-2009, 03:42 AM
It was never about the speech. If they just would have said the President is going to talk to school kids about the importance of a good education nobody would have given it a second thought.

dnf777
09-08-2009, 05:58 AM
It was never about the speech. If they just would have said the President is going to talk to school kids about the importance of a good education nobody would have given it a second thought.

What WHO said? Rush, Hannity, Beck? I've asked several times for references as to the socialist indoctrination, and other claims I've heard on this list and conservative radio. Nobody has produced the pre-edited speech, or now these claims. For the third time, I'm not trying to call a bluff, but if these claims are true, I'd like to see them so I can adjust accordingly. Like I said before, if I don't see any credible sources, this get tossed on the growing pile of fear mongering claims by the far right.

dnf777
09-08-2009, 06:02 AM
So, out of curiosity, if the presidents before him did this, where is the change?


/Paul

I might have studied a little more. Don't expect "in your face" miraculous results. Anything worth while, doesn't come easy or cheap.

Besides, any intellectual advancements made in the 80s or 90s were surely wiped out by the deep space vacuum of intellect named "W"! We gotta rebuild!:-P

dback
09-08-2009, 09:16 AM
Besides, any intellectual advancements made in the 80s or 90s were surely wiped out by the deep space vacuum of intellect named "W"! We gotta rebuild!:-P

If true.....I'm praying at least one Doctor is watching with keen interest today.

Henry V
09-08-2009, 09:17 AM
It was never about the speech. If they just would have said the President is going to talk to school kids about the importance of a good education nobody would have given it a second thought.
Well, the President said exactly that himself in the first 70 seconds of his interview with a 11 year old in August. Damn left wing media must have been covering it up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rP-695ATg-c


So, out of curiosity, if the presidents before him did this, where is the change?
So, by your reasoning, if he does not do everything different than his predecessors he fails to live up to "change"? Wow, you must be really bummed that he generally continued Bush's policies on bailing out and stabilizing the banking industry, keeping defense secretary Gates, and now chairman Bernanke. What a disappointment. Perhaps, to sell more cars, create jobs in road painting, and fulfill his promise of "change", he should sign an executive order that turns our transportation system to one where we drive on the left side of the road too. Is that what you are looking for? Would that then meet your expectations for "change".

Roger Perry
09-08-2009, 09:25 AM
Hey, I have an idea, why don't we watch the speech and then comment on it.:D

On which station will it be televised and what time? I would like to record it and watch it later after I get off work so I can make my own assessment of what the speech was all about just so Obama doesn't slip in some mind controlling sublimital messages in there.

ducknwork
09-08-2009, 09:45 AM
I know that sometimes, you get the sense from TV that you can be rich and successful without any hard work -- that your ticket to success is through rapping or basketball or being a reality TV star, when chances are, you're not going to be any of those things.

Boy, he sure dashed a lot of dreams there...

Seriously, I dislike Obama as much as anybody, but there is really nothing in that text to take offense to. Sure, something may have been deleted, but we'll never know. Those that want to believe that something was taken out will, and those that don't want to believe won't. He really should have kept it a little shorter though. Somebody didn't think about the attention span of his audience.
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TXduckdog
09-08-2009, 10:01 AM
You know, in and of itself...the contents of the speech are admirable.

It was just the way it was presented and the accompanying class "material" that put off so many folks.

I daresay that no matter the party of the administration that attempted the same action would have met with disapproval.

Parents have a right to voice their opinions on the subject material presented to their kids and how it's presented.

Because of all the previous heavy-handedness from the current congress and administration has left people very jumpy and nervous as to the motives behind everything coming out of Washington, these days.

In cooking parlance, their presentation rates an "F".

dnf777
09-08-2009, 10:05 AM
He really should have kept it a little shorter though. Somebody didn't think about the attention span of his audience.

I doubt many repubicans will be watching anyway....:shock:

Sorry...you kinda lobbed a meatball, couldn't help but swing!

TXduckdog
09-08-2009, 10:22 AM
Very nice...DNF. =)

Gun_Dog2002
09-08-2009, 10:25 AM
Well, the President said exactly that himself in the first 70 seconds of his interview with a 11 year old in August. Damn left wing media must have been covering it up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rP-695ATg-c


So, by your reasoning, if he does not do everything different than his predecessors he fails to live up to "change"? Wow, you must be really bummed that he generally continued Bush's policies on bailing out and stabilizing the banking industry, keeping defense secretary Gates, and now chairman Bernanke. What a disappointment. Perhaps, to sell more cars, create jobs in road painting, and fulfill his promise of "change", he should sign an executive order that turns our transportation system to one where we drive on the left side of the road too. Is that what you are looking for? Would that then meet your expectations for "change".


So he ran and was appointed on "change" and "hope." Where are they?

/Paul

Bob Gutermuth
09-08-2009, 10:30 AM
The change is in my pocket, its all I will have left after four years of this administration.

Bruce MacPherson
09-08-2009, 11:19 AM
What WHO said? Rush, Hannity, Beck? I've asked several times for references as to the socialist indoctrination, and other claims I've heard on this list and conservative radio. Nobody has produced the pre-edited speech, or now these claims. For the third time, I'm not trying to call a bluff, but if these claims are true, I'd like to see them so I can adjust accordingly. Like I said before, if I don't see any credible sources, this get tossed on the growing pile of fear mongering claims by the far right.

Originaly it was suggested by the DOE that teachers could make this a teachable moment by realeasing a study guide which would have students write essays and write letters about how they , the students, could help the President, or words to that effect. Arnie Duncan Secretary of Education admitted that the suggestions were not well worded. That study guide was subsequently dropped and my guess is the original speech was probably changed.

ducknwork
09-08-2009, 11:52 AM
I doubt many repubicans will be watching anyway....:shock:

Sorry...you kinda lobbed a meatball, couldn't help but swing!

Yeah, you're probably correct. Republicans are at work during the daytime.;-)


"My motto was always to keep swinging. Whether I was in a slump or feeling badly or having trouble off the field, the only thing to do was keep swinging." -Hank Aaron
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Roger Perry
09-08-2009, 12:31 PM
I am really proud of all the parents that did not want their children to see that speech.

Did you see the sublimital messages flash across the screen when Obama gave his speech? You really have to replay it in slow motion to catch the phrases "Kill Whitey" and "Don't Trust Whitey" flash across the screen.

Steve Amrein
09-08-2009, 01:00 PM
I am really proud of all the parents that did not want their children to see that speech.

Did you see the sublimital messages flash across the screen when Obama gave his speech? You really have to replay it in slow motion to catch the phrases "Kill Whitey" and "Don't Trust Whitey" flash across the screen.


Kill Whitey..............was one of the czars speaking in public again:rolleyes:

Franco
09-08-2009, 01:30 PM
I haven't read all the post on this thread so, if someone has already mentioned this then it is worth repeating.;-)

After all the concern about what he was going to say, I'm sure he cleaned it up for today's speach and decided not to use it to try and sell us his version of Health Care and how we need to spend money like there is no tomorrow! He obviously took the "what else" out of his little pep talk.

Roger Perry
09-08-2009, 01:58 PM
I haven't read all the post on this thread so, if someone has already mentioned this then it is worth repeating.;-)

After all the concern about what he was going to say, I'm sure he cleaned it up for today's speech and decided not to use it to try and sell us his version of Health Care and how we need to spend money like there is no tomorrow! He obviously took the "what else" out of his little pep talk.

Franco, can you please provide us with some creditable references on what he took out of his speech and I don't mean the loons on the far right talk shows.

dnf777
09-08-2009, 02:15 PM
I haven't read all the post on this thread so, if someone has already mentioned this then it is worth repeating.;-)

After all the concern about what he was going to say, I'm sure he cleaned it up for today's speach and decided not to use it to try and sell us his version of Health Care and how we need to spend money like there is no tomorrow! He obviously took the "what else" out of his little pep talk.

This is the fourth request for valid sources of info regarding the socialist agenda indoctrination allegedly in his original speech. If they were there, I'd like to know. So far, nothing! I think I'm ready to throw this on the pile of extreme-right-wing paranoia and chicken-little talk. It, along with birthers and dealth panelers really undermines the credibility of the far right.

Gun_Dog2002
09-08-2009, 02:20 PM
It, along with birthers and dealth panelers really undermines the credibility of the far right.

I believe its the left that finds murdering children acceptable while putting fellow murderer's to death unacceptable. Don't talk to me about credible.



/Paul

dnf777
09-08-2009, 02:39 PM
I believe its the left that finds murdering children acceptable while putting fellow murderer's to death unacceptable. Don't talk to me about credible.
/Paul

"murdering children acceptable"??? You're right. I won't talk to you about credible. I believe that is referred to reductio ad absurdum, but you have to prove a link in order for it to be a valid debate tactic.

That sets a new watermark!

Gun_Dog2002
09-08-2009, 02:44 PM
"murdering children acceptable"??? You're right. I won't talk to you about credible. I believe that is referred to reductio ad absurdum, but you have to prove a link in order for it to be a valid debate tactic.

That sets a new watermark!

Why is abortion acceptable and the death penalty unacceptable? Because the left says so that why........ don't get me started on valid debate tactics....

/Paul

Vance Ertel
09-08-2009, 02:55 PM
"What these words actually spell is horrifying:

"I am yahweh
I am God
Do as I say
Friday - at 4:30 in the morning."

The proof of the message lies in simple math. There are 66 letters and words in the resulting message. The ratio of letters and words in the resulting message to the number of words in the source text is 1.618, more commonly known as the golden ratio or divine proportion, an effort to conceal what we know is the true source of the message. At the end of this section, we have the secret key -- Friday at 4:30 in the morning -- when all school children will awaken to receive their instructions on what they must do next to fulfill the Obama Mission."

I deer hunt north of San Antonio. There is a crazy guy that lives/holds up on an adjacent property. Everytime I see him he always talks about conspiracies. From the normal "Who killed Kennedy" stuff to how Jews are Lizards that brought over pork to poison the American people, how the Frost Bank Tower in Austin will teleport people to Death Valley, CA which will be filled with billions of gallons of burning diesel fuel, how drinking 35% peroxide is the only "medicine" you need, etc. On the 12 hour drive home, I researched many of the big points that were included in the pages of his propaganda packet. My conclusion is that the level of craziness of the people who come up with stuff like this is greatly exceeded by the level of gulliableness of the people who believe them. There was not an original thought in the entire packet, all the crazy stuff was written by someone else and he just repeated it.

If you would read this speech without knowing who read it publically, I hope everyone would agree with the overall message of needing to take responibility into your own hands.

Buzz
09-08-2009, 03:08 PM
Why is abortion acceptable and the death penalty unacceptable? Because the left says so that why........ don't get me started on valid debate tactics....

/Paul

Change the subject much?

Gun_Dog2002
09-08-2009, 03:10 PM
Change the subject much?

Don't bitch at me, dnf777 (http://www.retrievertraining.net/forums/member.php?u=46523) is the clown that threw us down this road by stereotyping the right.....


/Paul

dnf777
09-08-2009, 03:41 PM
Don't bitch at me, dnf777 (http://www.retrievertraining.net/forums/member.php?u=46523) is the clown that threw us down this road by stereotyping the right.....


/Paul

Point out a few facts and get called a "clown". THAT debate tactic is referred to as "name calling" and typically works only up to about 5th grade.

As for sterotyping, let me give you an example:

"I believe its the left that finds murdering children acceptable ."

And for the record, I referred to the "far right" or "extreme right", not just the "right". I think there's a difference.

Franco
09-08-2009, 03:47 PM
This is the fourth request for valid sources of info regarding the socialist agenda indoctrination allegedly in his original speech. If they were there,


Of course we don't know what he took out of his speech. All we know is the heat he was getting made him tone it down.

Name one thing that he has done that makes you trust him?

Steve Amrein
09-08-2009, 04:02 PM
I find the speech, talk or whatever you call it quite hypocritical. He want these kids to stand on their own 2 feet and rely on themselves to succeed and live a good life. Yet everything he has proposed are done all points to everything provided or done by the government.

I actually read and re read today's message and think it sure follows what conservatives believe in, sure glad this was a do as I say not as I do speech. To bad he didn't tell the kids that are in crappy schools that he does not believe in school vouchers.

Marvin S
09-08-2009, 07:27 PM
To bad he didn't tell the kids that are in crappy schools that he does not believe in school vouchers.

Only for his own kids. :rolleyes: Why do teachers hang out with other teachers? Because they don't want to hear how poorly they are doing from someone in the real world. :)

Bruce MacPherson
09-08-2009, 07:37 PM
This is the fourth request for valid sources of info regarding the socialist agenda indoctrination allegedly in his original speech. If they were there, I'd like to know. So far, nothing! I think I'm ready to throw this on the pile of extreme-right-wing paranoia and chicken-little talk. It, along with birthers and dealth panelers really undermines the credibility of the far right.

Did I not try to clarify this for you or are you looking for something specifically in the speech. I don't think there is any there there. He did however work health care into his talk to the school kids in Virginia before the national address although it was in response to a students question.

road kill
09-08-2009, 08:07 PM
Little kids look up to the President of the United States as something very special.
In this case the position was not abused.
It seemed a positive message to me.

Having said that, I (as well as many others) still do not trust the over exposed Obama.

Just callin it the way I see it.

Roger Perry
09-09-2009, 08:17 AM
Little kids look up to the President of the United States as something very special.
In this case the position was not abused.
It seemed a positive message to me.

Having said that, I (as well as many others) still do not trust the over exposed Obama.

Just callin it the way I see it.

Yea, well if I had kids in school I would not let them drink out of the school water fountains or eat the food in the school cafeteria. Those tricky democrats I know are up to something.;-)

What right did Obama have to tell our young kids to stay in school and study hard that one day they may become doctors, lawyers, teachers, or maybe even politicians. Hell, everyone knows that the backbone of America is the working stiffs. What would we do without kids dropping out of school and working in factories, construction laborers, garbage men, pimps & whores, drug dealers. I say we need to dumb down kids so they do not grow up to be republicans.

Steve Amrein
09-09-2009, 09:45 AM
Yea, well if I had kids in school I would not let them drink out of the school water fountains or eat the food in the school cafeteria. Those tricky democrats I know are up to something.;-)

What right did Obama have to tell our young kids to stay in school and study hard that one day they may become doctors, lawyers, teachers, or maybe even politicians. Hell, everyone knows that the backbone of America is the working stiffs. What would we do without kids dropping out of school and working in factories, construction laborers, garbage men, pimps & whores, drug dealers. I say we need to dumb down kids so they do not grow up to be republicans.


As shown by the last few elections when did someones intelligence have anything to do with how they voted ?

The pimps and whores are in DC

I would also say that you are insulting your side as at least in our area the construction,factory and garbage men are union. The left seems to want to legalize drugs and that drug use is a victim less crime so I would have to not look far as to how they vote either.

Roger Perry
09-09-2009, 11:37 AM
As shown by the last few elections when did someones intelligence have anything to do with how they voted ?

The pimps and whores are in DC

I would also say that you are insulting your side as at least in our area the construction,factory and garbage men are union. The left seems to want to legalize drugs and that drug use is a victim less crime so I would have to not look far as to how they vote either.

My side are in the minority. My side are the independents.

ducknwork
09-09-2009, 11:43 AM
I say we need to dumb down kids so they do not grow up to be republicans.

Sorry 'parenting' is doing a fine job of that already.
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ducknwork
09-09-2009, 11:43 AM
My side are in the minority. My side are the independents.

Yeah, I am registered independent also, but I lean a lot farther right than you, bud...
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Brad Slaybaugh
09-09-2009, 12:04 PM
I think I've figured this out!!!!!

Obama gave his speech to the country's children with all sincerity.

He truly wants them to study hard, do well in school, go on to college and beyond, he wants them to put their noses to the grindstone, pick a direction and work hard to get there and be the best they can be. He wants them become model citizens, who work hard, make a good paycheck and become responsible Americans.

Otherwise this oncoming generation will never be able to pay the bill for Obama's wasteful spending since November.

Roger Perry
09-09-2009, 12:08 PM
Yeah, I am registered independent also, but I lean a lot farther right than you, bud...

Yea, wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy further right bud.

ducknwork
09-09-2009, 01:49 PM
I was thinking about this whole deal earlier and realized something interesting...

Once again, Obama waited until he had a chance to gauge the nation's feelings and response before saying anything at all. This time, he had to see how everyone was going to react before releasing the speech. This would fit well into the conspiracy theory that he changed the original text.

The other time that immediately comes to mind was during the AIG bonus fiasco. Remember when the reporter called him out during the press conference about the delayed reaction to AIG's bonuses?

http://u.tv/Business/Barack-Obama-shows-his-anger-over-AIG-bonus-criticism/8b054191-bc67-437d-92d3-96d0649b8872

In a press conference dominated by his handling of the recession, Obama was asked why, after being informed of the bonuses, he had waited several days to inform the public.

The CNN White House correspondent, Ed Henry, who asked the question, also suggested that the New York attorney-general, Andrew Cuomo, was doing a better job of dealing with AIG than the White House.

Obama gave a general answer and Henry asked again why he had taken a few days to inform the public. The normally cool and controlled president replied sharply: "It took us a couple of days because I like to know what I'm talking about before I speak."

What happens when he doesn't know what he is talking about before he speaks? Hmmmm...Think Cambridge Police, Harvard professor, Sgt. Crowley...
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road kill
09-09-2009, 03:10 PM
Yea, well if I had kids in school I would not let them drink out of the school water fountains or eat the food in the school cafeteria. Those tricky democrats I know are up to something.;-)

What right did Obama have to tell our young kids to stay in school and study hard that one day they may become doctors, lawyers, teachers, or maybe even politicians. Hell, everyone knows that the backbone of America is the working stiffs. What would we do without kids dropping out of school and working in factories, construction laborers, garbage men, pimps & whores, drug dealers. I say we need to dumb down kids so they do not grow up to be republicans.


Good for you RP.
Excellent thought!!

I beleive the secular progressives are making every effort to do just that!!

You should be happy!!:D