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dnf777
09-15-2009, 06:04 PM
Who's getting their swine flu shot? I usually pass on flu shots, but I'm thinking about this one!

labdoc
09-15-2009, 08:16 PM
Interesting, I was just in the process of researching this today. I'm still debating that one, although there is NO way I will be first in line. Colorado was looking for a 100 "guinea pig" children to test the vaccine on. What parent in their right mind would volunteer their own kid for a new vaccine trial? I can understand chemo for a rare cancer the kid already has and will be fatal otherwise, but an elective vaccine? Call me paranoid but there was the 1970 swine flu vaccine that has been possibly linked to neurologic symptoms.

The older I get the less I want to be on the bleeding edge of medicine, let others be the test subjects. At this time, I will likely get the vaccine AFTER some time has elapsed from the initial release date. My other thought is the seasonal flu could be worse than normal as people may opt for the H1N1 only and pass on the "common" flu strain. Time will tell.

Henry V
09-15-2009, 08:53 PM
Don't do it. It is part of this administration's socialist agenda. The government is behind this vaccine.
There is no need for concern. The swine flu threat is being overplayed. Hardly anyone is dying. It is just another shameless attempt by the left to whip up fear to control the people. Classic left wing tactic. Don't be sheeple.

dnf777
09-15-2009, 09:01 PM
Interesting, I was just in the process of researching this today. I'm still debating that one, although there is NO way I will be first in line. Colorado was looking for a 100 "guinea pig" children to test the vaccine on. What parent in their right mind would volunteer their own kid for a new vaccine trial? I can understand chemo for a rare cancer the kid already has and will be fatal otherwise, but an elective vaccine? Call me paranoid but there was the 1970 swine flu vaccine that has been possibly linked to neurologic symptoms.

The older I get the less I want to be on the bleeding edge of medicine, let others be the test subjects. At this time, I will likely get the vaccine AFTER some time has elapsed from the initial release date. My other thought is the seasonal flu could be worse than normal as people may opt for the H1N1 only and pass on the "common" flu strain. Time will tell.

My thinking is also along those lines. The problem is, if you wait to see if there are any side effects, it will be well into the flu season and you will not be proteted. If this spreads like some fear, the chances of contacting the disease are relatively high, and it does seem to carry a high mortality rate for young, healthy people.

In a way, this validates my reasons for NOT getting routine flu shots. I figure, while I'm young and healthy, why not be sick for a few days and acquire natural immunity that is often life long, against the hundreds of antigens that a natural virus carries to protect myself in the future....rather than get a shot with 3 antigens that offers fleeting immunity at best? They are now theorizing that the reason older and even sicker people are protected from swine flu is that they were exposed to a certain virus in the 1950s that shared a common antigen with H1N1, and still carry natural immunity.

Viruses and bacteria play a role in our ecologic neighborhood, and as we've shown time and time again, when we try to intervene with ecological manipulation, rarely to we succeed. (or at least succeed without creating another, often larger problem!) That's "rarely", not "never". Smallpox, polio, and the guinea worm are success stories.

Buzz
09-15-2009, 09:05 PM
Given that my 10 year old daughter has mild asthma, I would like her to get the vaccine at the earliest opportunity.

Gerry Clinchy
09-16-2009, 12:36 AM
They are now theorizing that the reason older and even sicker people are protected from swine flu is that they were exposed to a certain virus in the 1950s that shared a common antigen with H1N1, and still carry natural immunity.


Cool! Finally some advantage to getting older!

Uncle Bill
09-16-2009, 03:23 PM
Who's getting their swine flu shot? I usually pass on flu shots, but I'm thinking about this one!

You obviously have no farmer clients, certainly no hog farmers. H1N1 is the name of this virus in this part of the country. If you'd live in an agricultural section of the nation, you'd understand how devastating that name has been to the hog producers in the nation.

But then even a Minnesotan in a state that DOES raise pork, is equally ignorant, or is purposely slamming the hog producers. Hard to tell with Henry...he hides his position so cleverly.:rolleyes:

UB

dnf777
09-16-2009, 06:08 PM
You obviously have no farmer clients, certainly no hog farmers. H1N1 is the name of this virus in this part of the country. If you'd live in an agricultural section of the nation, you'd understand how devastating that name has been to the hog producers in the nation.

But then even a Minnesotan in a state that DOES raise pork, is equally ignorant, or is purposely slamming the hog producers. Hard to tell with Henry...he hides his position so cleverly.:rolleyes:

UB

Is THAT why I was referred to as a 'bigot'?? Hey, I like pigs of ALL colors!:D
Funny you call me out on that, as I never liked the term "swine flu" either, for that very reason, but thought it would be easiest to refer to it in the most popular term. Viruses are often eponymed by how or where they are isolated first...no harm intended, but often is.

cheers,
dave

Blackstone
09-16-2009, 06:38 PM
Go ahead and take the shot. I did, and there were hardly any noticable side effects at all!

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i172/PrairieHunter/BigPig.jpg

bobbyb
09-16-2009, 06:50 PM
Go ahead and take the shot. I did, and there were hardly any noticable side effects at all!

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i172/PrairieHunter/BigPig.jpg

MAN is that not bee-uuu-t-ful !! that a lot of sausage and BOUDIN, BACON!!!!

dnf777
09-16-2009, 08:30 PM
MAN is that not bee-uuu-t-ful !! that a lot of sausage and BOUDIN, BACON!!!!

You had to mention Boudin! Only took me 3 years to get that out of my mind, now that I can't get any in Pennsylvania!:mad: Ain't no substitute, either!

honker88
09-17-2009, 08:11 AM
I really think the whole H1N1 thing is way overblown...

http://http://www.stimson.org/globalhealth/?SN=GH200905112047#Deadly
http://http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30627377/
http://http://www.healthday.com/Article.asp?AID=630603
http://http://www.fiercehealthcare.com/story/study-half-healthcare-workers-might-refuse-h1n1-vaccination/2009-08-26

As with all other flu vaccines, I will not be getting one.

dnf777
09-17-2009, 11:25 AM
I really think the whole H1N1 thing is way overblown...


As with all other flu vaccines, I will not be getting one.


I'm not arguing with you, as I don't get the standard flu shot either, but this one is killing people. We just had a healthy 45 year old woman die in a neighboring hospital. That kind of makes one rethink. A few posts up, I gave me reasons for NOT getting vaccinated routinely, and I stick by them. One more think that concerns me about the H1N1 (thank you, U.B.!) is the rush to mass market. I understand the constraints, but I would feel a little better about it if it were produced by standard vaccine makers in the standard fashion.

labdoc
09-17-2009, 07:59 PM
I'm not arguing with you, as I don't get the standard flu shot either, but this one is killing people. We just had a healthy 45 year old woman die in a neighboring hospital. That kind of makes one rethink. A few posts up, I gave me reasons for NOT getting vaccinated routinely, and I stick by them. One more think that concerns me about the H1N1 (thank you, U.B.!) is the rush to mass market. I understand the constraints, but I would feel a little better about it if it were produced by standard vaccine makers in the standard fashion.

Better reread your post, a healthy 45 year old with the flu is not healthy. :D Additionally 30-40,000 die every year with the seasonal flu in the U.S. And to think H1N1 was declared a pandemic when, what was the number, 7 (?) had died in the U.S. Sensationalism with this is greater than Jimmy Carter calling us all racists.

dnf777
09-17-2009, 09:41 PM
Better reread your post, a healthy 45 year old with the flu is not healthy. :D Additionally 30-40,000 die every year with the seasonal flu in the U.S. And to think H1N1 was declared a pandemic when, what was the number, 7 (?) had died in the U.S. Sensationalism with this is greater than Jimmy Carter calling us all racists.

Ok, otherwise healthy 45 year old female. I think 99.999% understood the point.

Pandemic refers to the geographic distribution of the disease. Mortality or lethality refer to how many die. There is an epidemic of stupidity in Washington, but nobody has died from it. Hold your tongue, you may want to criticize the same people if it becomes apparent they haven't done enough.

Preparing for any unpredictable natural disaster is easy target for anyone who wants to criticize or armchair quarterback. Look at hurricane evacuations....another false alarm....couldn't they see this coming....should have acted sooner....should have waited longer.....

I think the CDC and the WHO are doing their best under very uncertain, yet possibly dire circumstances. Anytime a disease kills otherwise healthy people, there is cause for alarm. With traditional influenza epidemics, your 30-40k are more typically the very young, very old, or otherwise vulnerable. Also, the number of 7 fatalities that you seem to downplay came during the "off season", which can portend a much more severe fall season.

This has nothing to do with Jimmy Carter, and attempts to politicize it will just hamper the good efforts of people trying to figure this thing out.

Blackstone
09-18-2009, 09:51 AM
We just had a 24 year old woman die locally from H1N1. I have never been diligent about getting yearly flu shots. Sometimes I get them, sometimes I don't. However, with people dying from this strain of the flu, I think I'm going to get the shot.

labdoc
09-18-2009, 11:07 AM
Ok, otherwise healthy 45 year old female. I think 99.999% understood the point.

Pandemic refers to the geographic distribution of the disease. Mortality or lethality refer to how many die. There is an epidemic of stupidity in Washington, but nobody has died from it. Hold your tongue, you may want to criticize the same people if it becomes apparent they haven't done enough.

Preparing for any unpredictable natural disaster is easy target for anyone who wants to criticize or armchair quarterback. Look at hurricane evacuations....another false alarm....couldn't they see this coming....should have acted sooner....should have waited longer.....

I think the CDC and the WHO are doing their best under very uncertain, yet possibly dire circumstances. Anytime a disease kills otherwise healthy people, there is cause for alarm. With traditional influenza epidemics, your 30-40k are more typically the very young, very old, or otherwise vulnerable. Also, the number of 7 fatalities that you seem to downplay came during the "off season", which can portend a much more severe fall season.

This has nothing to do with Jimmy Carter, and attempts to politicize it will just hamper the good efforts of people trying to figure this thing out.

Actually according to Steadman's medical dictionary, a pandemic is a disease affecting or attacking the population of an extensive region or an extensive epidemic. When declared, this flu had been seen in a dozen or 2 isolated locations, far from "pandemic" in my mind. More people were probably affected by bathtub falls during that time than H1N1. I would suspect but have no way of knowing that a similar number people died from the "regular" flu during the same time but no one covered that story or declared that the sky is falling.

Semantics aside, I believe this has been blown out of proportion just like the constant elevated terror alerts issued during the whole Bush reign. Eventually people start saying, "another terror alert or another pandemic" and when the real thing DOES happen they have become desensitized.

My point with Carter is that he exaggerated that all who oppose Obama are racists and currently the H1N1 risk SEEMS to be exaggerated. We will know come springtime.

dnf777
09-18-2009, 04:19 PM
Actually according to Steadman's medical dictionary, a pandemic is a disease affecting or attacking the population of an extensive region or an extensive epidemic. When declared, this flu had been seen in a dozen or 2 isolated locations, far from "pandemic" in my mind. More people were probably affected by bathtub falls during that time than H1N1. I would suspect but have no way of knowing that a similar number people died from the "regular" flu during the same time but no one covered that story or declared that the sky is falling.

Semantics aside, I believe this has been blown out of proportion just like the constant elevated terror alerts issued during the whole Bush reign. Eventually people start saying, "another terror alert or another pandemic" and when the real thing DOES happen they have become desensitized.

My point with Carter is that he exaggerated that all who oppose Obama are racists and currently the H1N1 risk SEEMS to be exaggerated. We will know come springtime.

Yes, when I was the Preventive Medicine Officer for Ft. Polk and Battalion Surgeon for JTF-SWA I read a little about epidemics and pandemics. It was on the suggested reading list. The pattern and rate of spread are considered, not just a dozen or two sites. I don't think anyone is trying to raise the "terror alert", here, just being cautious with a yet unknown entity that has shown to be very lethal and very widespread.

The CDC tracks influenza trends and your questions will be answered if you check their website at www.cdc.gov

Personally, I'm glad the dedicated men and women at WHO and CDC are taking this seriously. If some choose to see it as a political conspiracy or being blown out of proportion, they can feel free to bury themselves in their bunkers and wait for the all clear.