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dnf777
09-29-2009, 05:52 AM
Here's another nice example of the ratcheted-up rhetoric going on around this country by extremists. I hope whoever started this already has a record or psychiatric diagnosis and is not allowed to carry weapons to public rallies!:confused:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/28/facebook.poll/index.html

It will be interesting to see how the right-wing media (Hannity, Rush, Coulter, et al) respond to this. Will they condemn it, or defend it as good, American citizens exercising their free speech?

ducknwork
09-29-2009, 06:48 AM
Those actions are disgusting, and frankly, I think that it is a tad reprehensible on your part to suggest that anyone would defend this, regardless of your opinion of said TV hosts. Now, if anyone does defend it, (which I doubt) then they need to have their head examined.
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subroc
09-29-2009, 09:40 AM
Why would a left wing extreemist start a poll like that?

dnf777
09-29-2009, 09:52 AM
Those actions are disgusting, and frankly, I think that it is a tad reprehensible on your part to suggest that anyone would defend this, regardless of your opinion of said TV hosts. Now, if anyone does defend it, (which I doubt) then they need to have their head examined.

I posed the question. Be as it may, 730 people responded to the poll before it was removed. At the Christian Science Monitor, the first replies to the story were "what were the results?" I heard on the radio this morning that threats to Obama and his wife and kids are up 400% over the historical average. Being that we're all Americans, I would certainly hope and expect even his staunchest political foes to strongly rebuke this type of behavior. I also hoped they would rebuke someone yelling "you lie" to the POTUS in house chambers, but that didn't play out.

I'm just curious to see how this plays out in the media.

subroc
09-29-2009, 10:08 AM
It is interesting, that as a stated republican, you rarely, if ever, condemn democrats. I expect it must be you don't have any expectations of a minimum level of basic behavior from them and have a high expectation from republicans that exceed any found in society today.

This is a small report found in one place that no one really saw, being hyped by a news organization that clearly sees any criticism of obama as racism and a poll like this as systemic and needing to be shouted from the highest hill tops. This wouldn’t be a story if cnn didn’t make it one. You want, as you call it, right wing media to take up some banner to keep a minor internet story going.

TXduckdog
09-29-2009, 11:13 AM
There are idiots on both sides. There are these kind and then there is the fringe left who are too numerous to mention.

Where were you when the leftyloons were doing the same thing about George W?

Hmmmm....?

dnf777
09-29-2009, 12:05 PM
There are idiots on both sides. There are these kind and then there is the fringe left who are too numerous to mention.

Where were you when the leftyloons were doing the same thing about George W?

Hmmmm....?

Hmmmm... if you notice my posts, I really try to avoid name calling or insulting anyone just because we have different opinions on matters, and I always try to refer to our presidents as Mr. or Pres. so-and-so.

Having said that, there is a big difference between calling someone an idiot, dufus, joker,....and comparing someone to Hitler or surveying death wishes! I may have disagreed with Mr. Bush on many topics, but NEVER would sink to such lows at what we're seeing now. The worst "attack" on Mr. Bush I saw was the shoe-thrower, and he was a man who had his homeland invaded and occupied by Mr. Bush, certainly not an American democrat.

Sub: if that comment was directed at me, I am an independant, not republican. Used to be, but not anymore. I have frequently stated my disdain for both parties, whom I feel are self-serving, rather than nation-serving. Heck, wasn't you that almost granted me honary republican status for a day after some comments I made about welfare?? :p

subroc
09-29-2009, 12:31 PM
...Having said that, there is a big difference between calling someone an idiot, dufus, joker,....and comparing someone to Hitler or surveying death wishes! I may have disagreed with Mr. Bush on many topics, but NEVER would sink to such lows at what we're seeing now. The worst "attack" on Mr. Bush I saw was the shoe-thrower, and he was a man who had his homeland invaded and occupied by Mr. Bush, certainly not an American democrat....

I expect you were not really paying attention.

The treatment of President George W. Bush was so bad that a phrase, Bush Derangment Syndrome (BDS) was coined to describe the democrats as well as far left treatment of him. The treatment of President George W. Bush was exponetially worse than the treatment obama is facing. It isn't even close.

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/08/04/how-quickly-they-forget/

As far as making you an honarary republican, I doubt it was me since I am an independent as well. We may just have agreed on some welfare issue.

In reality, I expect you approach your politics with, as you say, disdain for both parties, but readily accept that democrats are more in line with your thinking. At least that is how you come out on issues and routinely give that appearance.

I expect, I on the other hand have disdain for both parties, but readily accept that republicans are more in line with my thinking. I expect when commenting on issues I give that appearance.

A pox on both their houses.

dnf777
09-29-2009, 02:00 PM
I expect you were not really paying attention.

The treatment of President George W. Bush was so bad that a phrase, Bush Derangment Syndrome (BDS) was coined to describe the democrats as well as far left treatment of him. The treatment of President George W. Bush was exponetially worse than the treatment obama is facing. It isn't even close.

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/08/04/how-quickly-they-forget/

As far as making you an honarary republican, I doubt it was me since I am an independent as well. We may just have agreed on some welfare issue.

In reality, I expect you approach your politics with, as you say, disdain for both parties, but readily accept that democrats are more in line with your thinking. At least that is how you come out on issues and routinely give that appearance.

I expect, I on the other hand have disdain for both parties, but readily accept that republicans are more in line with my thinking. I expect when commenting on issues I give that appearance.

A pox on both their houses.

There's a good place to leave it! My wife is half Philipino, so I have a soft spot in my heart for Michelle Malkin....but it goes away as soon as I un-mute the tv! ;-)

Have a good one,
Rainy day regards from Pa,
dave

TXduckdog
09-29-2009, 02:50 PM
Uh, Dave...if memory serves me right, wasn't there a movie about assasinating Prez Bush?

dnf777
09-29-2009, 02:57 PM
Uh, Dave...if memory serves me right, wasn't there a movie about assasinating Prez Bush?

If there was, I didn't see it. But I'm not a big movie-goer.

subroc
09-29-2009, 03:41 PM
There's a good place to leave it! My wife is half Philipino, so I have a soft spot in my heart for Michelle Malkin....but it goes away as soon as I un-mute the tv! ;-)

Have a good one,
Rainy day regards from Pa,
dave

This isn't about Malkin or her reason for collecting the information. It is about truth in advertising on your part. You so aptly, to support your position, forget the treatment of President George W. Bush. I just wanted to make sure you see it was exponentially worse than the current treatment of obama. Your point is without merit.

code3retrievers
09-29-2009, 03:44 PM
"I would certainly hope and expect even his staunchest political foes to strongly rebuke this type of behavior. I also hoped they would rebuke someone yelling "you lie" to the POTUS in house chambers, but that didn't play out"

Just like the left condemned all the calls for Bushes assignation. You had the left spouting off on their little listened to radio program that they hoped Bush would be taken out.

Where was your outrage then? It was disgusting then just as it is now.

subroc
09-29-2009, 03:46 PM
Uh, Dave...if memory serves me right, wasn't there a movie about assasinating Prez Bush?

yes, there was. Those on the left reveled in its release.

code3retrievers
09-29-2009, 03:47 PM
In case you missed it here is some of what the vile left has said and now is so upset that some unknown idiot is posting on facebook.

On Air America, talk show host Randi Rhodes recommended doing to Bush what Michael Corleone, in ``The Godfather, Part II," does to his brother. ``Like Fredo," she said, ``somebody ought to take him out fishing and phuw!" -- then imitated the sound of a gunshot. In the Guardian, a leading British daily, columnist Charlie Brooker issued a plea: ``John Wilkes Booth, Lee Harvey Oswald, John Hinckley Jr. -- where are you now that we need you?"

subroc
09-29-2009, 03:55 PM
where was the outrage then by the left wing media?

Buzz
09-29-2009, 03:57 PM
Uh, Dave...if memory serves me right, wasn't there a movie about assasinating Prez Bush?


I never heard of such a movie. Nice job of trying to blame it on the American Left however... Found this on the internets:


The dramatic scene, which has caused outrage among Americans, has been created by a British film company for a programme about the effect of the War On Terror.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23365246-president-bush-assassinated-in-new-tv-docudrama.do;jsessionid=D61EAFD19156D8D4D16CAC9364 857F27

Obama is receiving death threats at a rate about 4x what presidents usually receive. After what I saw going on this August, I'm not surprised.

Buzz
09-29-2009, 03:58 PM
In case you missed it here is some of what the vile left has said and now is so upset that some unknown idiot is posting on facebook.

On Air America, talk show host Randi Rhodes recommended doing to Bush what Michael Corleone, in ``The Godfather, Part II," does to his brother. ``Like Fredo," she said, ``somebody ought to take him out fishing and phuw!" -- then imitated the sound of a gunshot. In the Guardian, a leading British daily, columnist Charlie Brooker issued a plea: ``John Wilkes Booth, Lee Harvey Oswald, John Hinckley Jr. -- where are you now that we need you?"

Randi Rhodes is a nutcase.

subroc
09-29-2009, 04:05 PM
Randi Rhodes is a nutcase.

fine...

the question still is, while there is a call for the right to be outraged, where was the left's outrage then?

code3retrievers
09-29-2009, 04:08 PM
Randy Rhodes, Shultz, and Al Franken are just a couple of the left wing nut jobs but look, Al Franken was elected.

These are the mouth pieces for the left and if you want I can find more examples of the "left" calling for the death of Bush during his term. I assume you were just as upset then as you are now.

code3retrievers
09-29-2009, 04:12 PM
Here is another example of a left wing politician.

Last month I read an article from my hometown paper, VenturaCountyStar (reg. bugmenot) ) about a guy, Daniel Avila, who's running for City Council in 1000 Oaks and how he was passing out fliers which stated, ""President George W. Bush Deserves to Be Assassinated." The flier also called for a sexual attack on the president's daughters. Earlier that month he held up bumper stickers with the same message at a City Council meeting. Before that he wielded a hatchet at a meeting. I recall being quite shocked that he hadn't been arrested. All that happened was monitoring by the Secret Service

code3retrievers
09-29-2009, 04:16 PM
Another sickening video.

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/04/21/the-littlest-bush-hater/

You had just as many idiots but the news did not report on them. Where was your outrage?

dnf777
09-29-2009, 04:19 PM
Secret Service reports that death threats against Obama are up 400% over past presidents. The right wing media, through such kooks as Malkin, Coulter, et al are enabling this type of juvenile behavior. The rhetoric and lack of respect for both the man, the office, and America are reaching all time highs, and it's not going anywhere good. Just on this forum one can see our President being called every name in the book, including "osama", "bumma" and "obongo".

You can pick and choose wacko examples, but bottom line is the SS reports death threats are up 400%. Is anyone happy with that?

subroc
09-29-2009, 04:20 PM
Randy Rhodes, Shultz, and Al Franken are just a couple of the left wing nut jobs but look, Al Franken was elected.

These are the mouth pieces for the left and if you want I can find more examples of the "left" calling for the death of Bush during his term. I assume you were just as upset then as you are now.

No, I happy wasn't then and I am not now. The entire reason for this discussion is a call for or an expectation of outrage. The irony here is the call is made in the face of condoning the identical behavior, by those making the call, in this case dnf777, against President George W. Bush.

So, enough of the phony outrage by those on the left. It is falling on deaf ears

dnf777
09-29-2009, 04:22 PM
"I would certainly hope and expect even his staunchest political foes to strongly rebuke this type of behavior. I also hoped they would rebuke someone yelling "you lie" to the POTUS in house chambers, but that didn't play out"

Just like the left condemned all the calls for Bushes assignation. You had the left spouting off on their little listened to radio program that they hoped Bush would be taken out.

Where was your outrage then? It was disgusting then just as it is now.

I certainly was, whenever I heard it. I didn't like that movie where they blew up the whitehouse and people cheered, either. Please don't talk about selective outrage. I've seen enough lately to make me vomit.

dnf777
09-29-2009, 04:26 PM
No, I happy wasn't then and I am not now. The entire reason for this discussion is a call for or an expectation of outrage. The irony here is the call is made in the face of condoning the identical behavior, by those making the call, in this case dnf777, against President George W. Bush.

So, enough of the phony outrage by those on the left. It is falling on deaf ears



Whoa! Stop the bus. Are you saying that I called for harm on Pres Bush?? you better be ready to back that up, because that is a flat-out, bold-faced LIE! I served under Pres Bush, and as much as I disagreed with him, I served him honorably, and NEVER called for harm to him. Is that what You're saying?

subroc
09-29-2009, 04:26 PM
...Please don't talk about selective outrage. I've seen enough lately to make me vomit.

well, I expect you are just starting to see it now. You were obviously oblivious to it during the last administration.

Maybe your choice of news is so onesided you are not getting the whole story, only the half that is run through a left wing filter

subroc
09-29-2009, 04:40 PM
Whoa! Stop the bus. Are you saying that I called for harm on Pres Bush?? you better be ready to back that up, because that is a flat-out, bold-faced LIE! I served under Pres Bush, and as much as I disagreed with him, I served him honorably, and NEVER called for harm to him. Is that what You're saying?


don't put words in my mouth, I didn't put them in yours.

read the post again.

Your call was for outrage or at least condmnation at the treatment.

My point, throughout this message string is simple and on focus. President George W. Bush was treated far worse by the left than obama is by anybody. There were no calls by the left to stop it.

Buzz
09-29-2009, 04:47 PM
Your call was for outrage or at least condmnation at the treatment.

My point, throughout this message string is simple and on focus. President George W. Bush was treated far worse by the left than obama is by anybody. There were no calls by the left to stop it.

I guess that the right is no better in this regard than the left.

You're looking back over 8 years of history with Bush. Obama has been in office for 9 months. How many examples can you come up with from Bush's first 9 months?

Bruce MacPherson
09-29-2009, 04:55 PM
Secret Service reports that death threats against Obama are up 400% over past presidents. The right wing media, through such kooks as Malkin, Coulter, et al are enabling this type of juvenile behavior. The rhetoric and lack of respect for both the man, the office, and America are reaching all time highs, and it's not going anywhere good. Just on this forum one can see our President being called every name in the book, including "osama", "bumma" and "obongo".

You can pick and choose wacko examples, but bottom line is the SS reports death threats are up 400%. Is anyone happy with that?

No rational human being wants to see harm come to our President but I will tell you this. I suspect I am older than you, did my time for my country, been successful in business, lived under good and not so good administrations and watched for the last 8 years as the left savaged the Bush administration for the sole purpose of regaining the power they had lost, not giving one wit whether or not it was good for the country. Through all this I have never lost my faith in the American system and the belief that whatever administration was in power they had a degree of competency and a deep belief in the American way of life. For the first time I am not so sure.

code3retrievers
09-29-2009, 05:04 PM
I have never seen such vile people then those on the left.

During the 2004 campaign I went to my first political rally with a friend. I was appalled to witness the left calling Bush every disgusting name on earth as well as a middle aged man spit on a 8 year old child that was holding a Bush sign. If I could have reached him in a timely manner he would not have been standing upright any longer.

This was my first experience and showed me what the left of this country is really about.

I also witnessed a "granola-head" type cuss out a US serviceman and claim he was a baby killer shortly after our invasion of Iraq. I was surprised at how well the serviceman handled himself. I would not have been so kind.

The left complains of its mistreatment when they are the ones that are the master of lies and vulgarity. They can not take responsibility for any issue and will always blame others. They then seek to make every issue a catastrophic event i.e., global warming, excuse me now its climate change (little proof of man caused), Health care (70% are happy with our current health care system), housing ( can you say Fannie Mae and the housing bubble), homelessness (only important under Reagan) Irag and Afgan wars (even though most voted for it before they were against it) and many others.

They run from one crisis to another blaming everyone and then claim Republicans are warmongers, mean and out to scare the elderly.

"The left- master of lies and promoters of blame"

Bob Gutermuth
09-29-2009, 05:06 PM
Some among the government are using Hitler's big lie technique in an effort to legitimize this administration and its far out goals.

YardleyLabs
09-29-2009, 05:06 PM
where was the outrage then by the left wing media?
The faux documentary which was far from a promotion of such an assassination and more a science fiction like exploration of how a Cheney run government might respond, was widely criticized at the time of its short-lived (14 day) limited run in theaters. Hillary Clinton said "I think it's despicable. I think it's absolutely outrageous. That anyone would even attempt to profit on such a horrible scenario makes me sick."

When a pseudo-intellectual book called Checkpoint was published and was set within the fictional context of an assassination of Bush, Rush Limbaugh said "How far does the Bush hatred have to go before every fair-minded American says, 'Enough'?" The New York Times Book Review called Checkpoint a "scummy book". Slate called it pornography. The book was panned by the liberal and conservative press even before it was published based on its central premise.

The fact is that a number of the more popular blowhards of the right have thought little of wishing for the death -- natural or otherwise -- of those they perceive as liberal. When called out, they claim, as Michelle Malkin does, that assassination fascination is somehow a liberal characteristic. Pat Robertson thinks nothing of calling for the killing of Hugo Chavez. I don't see any ligitmate members of the liberal cohorts making similar calls to infamy. Malkin makes big hype about Kill Bush t-shirts, but never mentions the t-shirts with Obama's face on a target. And in fact, on her blog, malkin features comments from one of her readers suggesting obraining copies of Obama inauguration posters for use in target practice. ("The constant double standard is enough to choke a pig. An advanced copy??? You have to be kidding! So, if we get advance copies of the poster, can we then use it for target practice? Common, give me a massive break.").
Double standard does seem like an appropriate term.

subroc
09-29-2009, 05:07 PM
I guess that the right is no better in this regard than the left...


They don't appear to be. I guess the left set the standard for acceptable behavior and it is a pretty low standard at that and are now living with the result.

They donít appear to like it...

Ironic isn't it

Hew
09-29-2009, 05:11 PM
Hmmmm... if you notice my posts, I really try to avoid name calling or insulting anyone just because we have different opinions on matters, and I always try to refer to our presidents as Mr. or Pres. so-and-so.
By "always" I'm guessing you meant "everywhere else but on this message board..." or "as of today...." FWIW, I don't think one needs to put Mr. before Bush or Obama to confer respect to the office.

Sorry, but I don't think anyone who accuses Cheney of starting a war so he could increase his personal wealth gets to cry crocodile tears about the sad state of political discourse today without being assessed a 15 yard penalty for ridiculous hypocrisy.

The notion that conservatives or conservative commentators are supposed to feel responsible for the behaivor of a handful of idiots is laughable. By the way, after a summer of discontent from conservatives (generally speaking), how many ended up in jail or arrested for their violent protests? And how many lefties (generally speaking) ended up in the Pittsburgh jail in one day? And we're supposed to be worried about the rightwing kooks, huh?

Hew
09-29-2009, 05:13 PM
They don't appear to be. I guess the left set the standard for acceptable behavior and it is a pretty low standard at that and are now living with the result.

They donít appear to like it...

Ironic isn't it
Exactly. As Obama's preacher might say, "The Left's chickens are coming home to roost."

dnf777
09-29-2009, 07:14 PM
The irony here is the call is made in the face of condoning the identical behavior, by those making the call, in this case dnf777, against President George W. Bush."

Sounds to me like your accusing me of condoning identical behavior against President Bush. Your words, not mine. Need to get them straight too, because saying I condone death threats against the President of the United States is a character smear and FLAT OUT LIE, and you need to set the record straight.

subroc
09-29-2009, 07:24 PM
The irony here is the call is made in the face of condoning the identical behavior, by those making the call, in this case dnf777, against President George W. Bush."

Sounds to me like your accusing me of condoning identical behavior against President Bush. Your words, not mine. Need to get them straight too, because saying I condone death threats against the President of the United States is a character smear and FLAT OUT LIE, and you need to set the record straight.

my point, where was your call against it when President George W. Bush was targeted by it?

You accepted it when Presidnet George W. Bush was targeted but want outrage or condemnation now.

dnf777
09-29-2009, 07:40 PM
my point, where was your call against it when President George W. Bush was targeted by it?

You accepted it when Presidnet George W. Bush was targeted but want outrage or condemnation now.

No, your point was that I "accepted it when President Bush was targeted..." (see your quote above) That is a LIE. What do you want me to do, present character witnesses on this forum? Tapes, video,?? HELLO I wasn't even on this forum when Bush was president. As I said, I was not happy with the movie "Independence Day" when they blew up the whitehouse and a bunch of cretins cheered, I was pissed when Reagan was shot, I was pissed when I hear Hussein had planned to assassinate Bush I (and happy to be serving in al Karj with the 108ADA when Clinton ordered a bombing strike in retaliation for that) and I was not happy with the shoe thrower for humiliating our president publicly. Nor am I happy now when people carry guns to political rallies or conduct surveys about murder.

Do you get it yet? I may disagree strongly with policies, but respect the office, as it represents the USA. And I do NOT condone any reference to violence against the president. You presume to know a lot about people you don't even know. And in this case, you're very, very wrong.

Here's an article along the same lines. Michael Steele has already attacked Mr. Friedman on this article. He (TF) has been dead-on right in the past on global issues, and the Nobel Society agreed. May not like his politics, but he is accurate and insightful. Also a critic of Obama, BTW.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/30/opinion/30friedman.html?_r=1&ref=opinion