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Roger Perry
10-03-2009, 09:00 AM
Even as Republicans pummel President Barack Obama's health care proposals, some GOP leaders worry their party is being hurt by a Democratic counterattack: Where is your plan?
Republican leaders chose not to draft their own comprehensive bill, focusing instead on attacking Democrats' plans as too costly and bureaucratic. Some prominent Republicans now fear they are getting tagged as the "party of no," and they want the GOP to offer more solutions to the nation's health care problems.

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/19930

subroc
10-03-2009, 09:27 AM
Does health care need to be reformed?

Roger Perry
10-03-2009, 09:28 AM
Does health care need to be reformed?

Most Americans think so because they cannot afford any health insurance.

road kill
10-03-2009, 09:29 AM
Most Americans think so because they cannot afford any health insurance.

MOST Americans can not afford health care??

Roger Perry
10-03-2009, 10:07 AM
MOST Americans can not afford health care??

No, I mis spoke, I should not have said most americans, I should have said many americans.

Bruce MacPherson
10-03-2009, 10:07 AM
MOST Americans can not afford health care??

Well, the cost of beer, pretzels, Mc Donalds burgers and Lotto tickets does cut into that discretionary income they could use to provide basic health care coverage for themselves.:D

Bob Gutermuth
10-03-2009, 10:58 AM
Why should the GOP waste their time coming up with a plan? The dems in congress won't read their own plan and would vote down anything the GOP proposed.

Sundown49 aka Otey B
10-03-2009, 11:21 AM
Why should the Republicans come up with a plan to fix health care? It's not broken. What we need is the reform of the frivilous lawsuits by all the CROOKED lawyers who will sue over the least trivial thing. What this country NEEDS is a government run by some people we have elected that have as their main point just plain ol common sense. I think a 1 page tax law saying that everyone pays a straight 12.5% tax straight across the board with NO deductions would help a bunch. A two term limit on the Congress wouldn't be a bad thing either. Right now since all our lawmakers are set on closing Gitmo I think a trip there with the "hands on" demonstration on waterboarding with a GOOD court reporter taking notes would "cleanup" what is wrong with a lot of things in our country. What we see is just a glimpse of the SHADOW government running things. Now don't get me wrong when I post stuff like this because I love my country and my family has shed blood for it since the 1800's but to see what they sacrificed for being run down like it is now irks me. All the guys that I knew that were lost in Viet Nam I don't want their stuff forgotten. This pea brain of a president that apologises about everything and has the idea he is a TV star instead of a president with a gang of weirdo's as advisors scares me. By the way to the Liberals on here ..the world is not utopia..... having spent 3 1/2 years in the Middle East we are getting laughed at at every turn over there by the BS this admin is spewing ......

zeus3925
10-03-2009, 11:21 AM
Something intelligent out of the GOP may not pass Congress, but it would go along way to convince potential voters that the party is more than more than a bunch of mean spirited Scrooges that can only fold their arms and say "NO!"

Roger Perry
10-03-2009, 11:27 AM
Why should the GOP waste their time coming up with a plan? The dems in congress won't read their own plan and would vote down anything the GOP proposed.

You mean voting down just like the GOP is doing now?

Roger Perry
10-03-2009, 11:33 AM
Does health care need to be reformed?

Secretary's Corner

Preventing Diseases Before They Happen

We know that we need health reform to ensure Americans get the high-quality, affordable care they need and deserve. Under the status quo, too many Americans canít get the affordable care they need when they fall ill. But health reform must make health care more than just sick care. Real health reform must also improve the health of our nation by investing in critical prevention and wellness initiatives that help keep Americans healthy and out of the hospital in the first place.
Today, Americans spend more on health care than any other country in the world, yet we donít live longer. Scientists say this generation of American children may not live as long as their parents did. If we do nothing, many of them will grow up to develop a chronic disease that could have been prevented if we created incentives to encourage wellness rather than just focusing on treatment.
When we help Americans quit smoking, prevent obesity and give them the tools and information they need to live healthier lives, we all benefit. Chronic diseases are the leading causes of death and disability in the United States and are an incredible drain on our health care system. 85 percent of the money spent on health care goes toward people with at least one chronic condition. Some of these conditions include diabetes, heart disease and obesity Ė conditions that we know we can prevent.
The American people remember the old adage and they know that an ounce of prevention truly is worth a pound of cure. That is just one of the reasons why helping to prevent disease and illness also has strong public support. A poll released this week by the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation found that Americans overwhelmingly rank prevention as a top priority for health reform.
Preventing illness and disease is an essential component of health reform. We know that it isnít enough to provide coverage and keep doing the same thing. Health reform can help stop diseases before they happen. It can make our homes, our communities and our families healthier, safer and stronger. Itís time to make preventing illness and disease the foundation of our health care system.
http://www.healthreform.gov/forums/secretaryscorner.html

BonMallari
10-03-2009, 12:07 PM
Preventing disease is definitely a priority but what do you do when you try and get the masses to use condoms and practice safe sex but their machismo,stupidity and understanding of how diseases are spread continue in their ways and continue to spread STD's..or when you try and prevent teen pregnancy in the barrios and hoods but they continue to reproduce in massive amounts at county hospitals that you and I pick up the tabs on....I wont even start on all the undocumented individuals that tax our medical system and fill county run hospitals...yes prevention is important, but IMHO you have to clean up the fraud on both end of the system FIRST...until we do that throwing more money at a dysfunctional system is plain stupidity

Richard Halstead
10-03-2009, 01:24 PM
You mean voting down just like the GOP is doing now?

How can you say that when the Democrats have enough votes to pass anything if they could agree on anything. I guess you're right the GOP are the disenting votes. They probably cost Chicago the Olympic bid too.

road kill
10-03-2009, 02:26 PM
Well, the cost of beer, pretzels, Mc Donalds burgers and Lotto tickets does cut into that discretionary income they could use to provide basic health care coverage for themselves.:D

You forgot the basics:

I-Phones with unlimited texting & internet
Internet Service (wireless broad band, not dial up)
Cable TV
4 nights a month clubbin'

These are rights and must haves, so I can buy their insurance!!

just sayin'

road kill
10-03-2009, 02:28 PM
You mean voting down just like the GOP is doing now?

Roger, are you aware of the fact that your party has complete control of the Fed Govt right now??

The Republicans can NOT stop the Dems.

And they can't pass a damned thing.

Bruce MacPherson
10-03-2009, 03:12 PM
Something intelligent out of the GOP may not pass Congress, but it would go along way to convince potential voters that the party is more than more than a bunch of mean spirited Scrooges that can only fold their arms and say "NO!"

Now come on. The Republicans have said time after time what they are for, tort reform, portability, no turn downs for pre existing conditions, being able to buy across state lines and folding those that can truly cannot afford it into the existing system, amongst others. What they are not for is government intrusion into the health care system. You have to admit there are not many shining examples of government programs that run efficiently or profitably. I think a growing number of people are starting to understand the same thing and thus the growing resistance. The problem is that Republican ideas will not see the light of day while the Dems control congress and the media has such a large investment in this administration.

ErinsEdge
10-03-2009, 04:12 PM
When we help Americans quit smoking, prevent obesity and give them the tools and information they need to live healthier lives, we all benefit.


This is true..but you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. People know smoking is bad for them, that they have to lose weight, and that drinking too much is bad for them. This is no new revelation. What "tools" are going to force them to comply? I bet the answer that is coming is MORE taxes on cigarettes, liquor, and snacks. I know people who don't have insurance who still won't have insurance even if they are compelled to, because they want to spend their money elsewhere.

BonMallari
10-03-2009, 04:56 PM
Roger, are you aware of the fact that your party has complete control of the Fed Govt right now??

The Republicans can NOT stop the Dems.

And they can't pass a damned thing.


ding ding ding...winner, they threaten the Nuclear option but they know that if they go it alone come election time the American public will not forgive or forget those who voted, people are still steamed at their politicians that voted for the stimulus plan;)

TXduckdog
10-03-2009, 06:52 PM
Even as Republicans pummel President Barack Obama's health care proposals, some GOP leaders worry their party is being hurt by a Democratic counterattack: Where is your plan?
Republican leaders chose not to draft their own comprehensive bill, focusing instead on attacking Democrats' plans as too costly and bureaucratic. Some prominent Republicans now fear they are getting tagged as the "party of no," and they want the GOP to offer more solutions to the nation's health care problems.

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/19930


This is total BS. From not even being allowed in the room on the House side to having every single amendment to the HC bill being voted down in the Senate.....the politics of obstruction has never been higher.

This congress is run amok and not even our Great Leader can control them. But then he really doesn't give a rats a$$. This guy is the most two faced politician in recent history.