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Roger Perry
10-03-2009, 12:53 PM
JohnMcCain's new mission: A GOP makeover


October 2, 2009 - 5:28am

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Sen. John McCain couldn't become President of the United States so his next impossible mission is even more daunting: Reshape the Republican Party in his own image.
Politico reports McCain is working behind the scenes to remake the GOP.
His vision? A center-right party that appeals to political pragmatists and moderates.
It won't be easy. Right-wing extremists hijacked the Republican Party many years ago and have a solid hold.
McCain, however, is stubborn and persistent.

Pete
10-03-2009, 02:33 PM
Republicans lost the election because they are not conservative.
There has not been someone truely conservative since Goldwater ,,Ronald Reagan was pretty good in his first term though.

Most others were and are compromisers which makes them a non conservative.

Pete

ErinsEdge
10-03-2009, 03:11 PM
Republicans lost the election because they are not conservative.
There has not been someone truely conservative since Goldwater ,,Ronald Reagan was pretty good in his first term though.

Most others were and are compromisers which makes them a non conservative.

Pete
Exactly! (had to add the ! to let it post)

subroc
10-03-2009, 03:24 PM
John McCain believes that. After all, it can't be that he is the problem. He only received many of the voted that he did because he was the better of the two choices not because many believed in him. That is a distinction with a difference.

road kill
10-03-2009, 03:31 PM
JohnMcCain's new mission: A GOP makeover


October 2, 2009 - 5:28am

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Sen. John McCain couldn't become President of the United States so his next impossible mission is even more daunting: Reshape the Republican Party in his own image.
Politico reports McCain is working behind the scenes to remake the GOP.
His vision? A center-right party that appeals to political pragmatists and moderates.
It won't be easy. Right-wing extremists hijacked the Republican Party many years ago and have a solid hold.
McCain, however, is stubborn and persistent.

To see the reason the Republicans lost the election one need only to look above.

A very poor choice and not a conservative in any way.

A true American hero, but not a conservative.

Pawlenty, Romney and Gingrich with a dash of Palin.
It's comin' leftys!!

BonMallari
10-03-2009, 05:50 PM
To see the reason the Republicans lost the election one need only to look above.

A very poor choice and not a conservative in any way.

A true American hero, but not a conservative.

Pawlenty, Romney and Gingrich with a dash of Palin.
It's comin' leftys!!

you are correct but the Republicans set up for the wrong opponent,everyone and I mean everyone thought the Dem nominee was going to be Hilary and they thought that they needed a moderate to defeat her. when BHO gained momentum all the true conservative candidates were out and we were left with an 72 yrl old curmudgeon and a fresh faced but very inexperienced Palin. compared to BHO they were destined to fail . right wing extremists havent hijacked the party, if they had they wouldn't have nominated McCain. The party compromised on its core values and went to the middle and BHO was the more attractive choice to the US.

McCain likes to cloak himself in the conservative blanket, but he is a moderate at best and by some standards a RINO...also McCain- Feingold bill that he helped pass came back to bit him in his butt

Bob Gutermuth
10-03-2009, 05:57 PM
This country would be far more secure and much better off with McCain as POTUS instead of Osama. What a shame that many folks give no thought to or don't know the issues when they vote.

Buzz
10-03-2009, 06:34 PM
Republicans lost the election because they are not conservative.
There has not been someone truely conservative since Goldwater ,,Ronald Reagan was pretty good in his first term though.

Most others were and are compromisers which makes them a non conservative.

Pete

If you want Goldwater's take on today's Republicans, you should read this book:

http://www.amazon.com/Conservatives-Without-Conscience-John-Dean/dp/0670037745

It was written by John Dean, but originally conceived along with Goldwater. Before his death, Goldwater planned to co-write the book with Dean.

road kill
10-03-2009, 07:01 PM
If you want Goldwater's take on today's Republicans, you should read this book:

http://www.amazon.com/Conservatives-Without-Conscience-John-Dean/dp/0670037745

It was written by John Dean, but originally conceived along with Goldwater. Before his death, Goldwater planned to co-write the book with Dean.

Buzz,
Have you read that book?
If so, is it decent or is it an attack?
I mean it can be negative about todays so called conservative, and be legit.

I sincerely ask your advice if it is worth reading.
If you say it is, I will.

stan b

road kill
10-03-2009, 07:03 PM
you are correct but the Republicans set up for the wrong opponent,everyone and I mean everyone thought the Dem nominee was going to be Hilary and they thought that they needed a moderate to defeat her. when BHO gained momentum all the true conservative candidates were out and we were left with an 72 yrl old curmudgeon and a fresh faced but very inexperienced Palin. compared to BHO they were destined to fail . right wing extremists havent hijacked the party, if they had they wouldn't have nominated McCain. The party compromised on its core values and went to the middle and BHO was the more attractive choice to the US.

McCain likes to cloak himself in the conservative blanket, but he is a moderate at best and by some standards a RINO...also McCain- Feingold bill that he helped pass came back to bit him in his butt


JFK and HHH were to the right of McCain!!:shock:

TXduckdog
10-03-2009, 07:48 PM
McCain needs to go away.

He stands for nothing but political manuevering.

Golddogs
10-03-2009, 08:14 PM
Republicans lost the election because they are not conservative.
There has not been someone truely conservative since Goldwater ,,Ronald Reagan was pretty good in his first term though.

Most others were and are compromisers which makes them a non conservative.

Pete
Republicans have lost a lot of the important elections because of a single mindset on abortion rights or lack there of.

Get back to core Republican ideals, ignore the religous right, and the party might have a chance. If we in Mn can elect a Republican Gov, there is hope nationwide.

Pete
10-03-2009, 10:39 PM
Republicans have lost a lot of the important elections because of a single mindset on abortion rights or lack there of

I consider abortion a republican march ,,not a conservatives march. Conservatives would want the government to stay out of peoples private life. I consider the religious right republican not conservative.
But Im sure abortion has something to do with it.
Therefor most republicans are really not conservative. They just make believe they are

Pete

Blackstone
10-04-2009, 12:19 AM
Pete,

I'm beginning to like you more and more. You may be one of the few that has noticed the man behind the curtain!

Golddogs
10-04-2009, 10:38 AM
I consider abortion a republican march ,,not a conservatives march. Conservatives would want the government to stay out of peoples private life. I consider the religious right republican not conservative.
But Im sure abortion has something to do with it.
Therefor most republicans are really not conservative. They just make believe they are

Pete

I would agree, and until the "party" divorces itself from that mindset and gets back to core Republican values it will never again be a major player in politics.

zeus3925
10-04-2009, 11:16 AM
I would agree, and until the "party" divorces itself from that mindset and gets back to core Republican values it will never again be a major player in politics.

It is interesting how the two parties have swapped their viewpoints overtime. At the time of the civil war, the democrats were the conservative party and the republicans the progressives. It appears the things began to change when the republicans saw themselves as the guardian of business and the democrats saw the alignment of Irish immigrants with them. The famine they had faced in their homeland and the governments refusal to mitigate that tragedy led to the democrats becoming the proponents of of a more activist government.

By the time Wilson became president the political poles had flip flopped with the republicans becoming more static and pro-status status quo. The Depression hardened that shift.

Core values are subject to shifting viewpoints over time. You can have a nice statement of core values that makes the operatives feel good. The average Joe doesn't give a hoot about philosophy. What is important to the electorate is "What are you going to get done in my interest while you hold the office".