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TXduckdog
10-07-2009, 09:17 AM
"The Iranians have a point," said one senior administration official. "The U.S. can't forever be the enforcer of a double standard where Israel gets a nuclear free ride but Iran has to abide by every letter in the NPT. President Obama has put the issue of nuclear disarmament at the center of his foreign policy agenda. His credibility is at stake and so is U.S. credibility in the Muslim world. How can we tell Tehran that they're better off without nukes if we won't make the same point to our Israeli friends?"


With this rationale.....why is there any problem with Korea launching missles? If this guy doesn't know the strategic difference between Iran and Israel...then this admin really is clueless when it comes to foreign policy.

This statement on the heels of the US voting "here", actually abstaining from a UN Security Council vote on the resolution calling for a nuclear weapons-free zone in the Middle East. It also demands that Israel sign the 1970 Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty and submit its nuclear facilities to international inspection. Two similar, albeit nonbinding, resolutions were approved last September by the International Atomic Energy Agency in Vienna.

The result.....relations between the Obama administration and the government of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, never warm to begin with, have cooled dramatically.

Mr. Netanyahu also provoked the administration's ire after he was inadvertently caught on an open microphone calling Mr. Obama "worse than Chamberlain." The comment followed the president's historic Dec. 21 summit meeting with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in Geneva, the first time leaders of the two countries have met since the Carter administration.

Also factoring into the administration's thinking are reports that the Israelis are in the final stages of planning an attack on Iran's nuclear installations. Defense Secretary Robert Gates, who met with his Israeli counterpart Ehud Barak in Paris last week, has been outspoken in his opposition to such a strike. The Jerusalem Post has reported that Mr. Gates warned Mr. Barak that the U.S. would "actively stand in the way" of any Israeli strike.

So here we are....The U.S. abstention is sending shock waves through the international community, which has long been accustomed to the U.S. acting as Israel's de facto protector on the Council. It also appears to reverse a decades-old understanding between Washington and Tel Aviv that the U.S. would acquiesce in Israel's nuclear arsenal as long as that arsenal remained undeclared. The Jewish state is believed to possess as many as 200 weapons.

road kill
10-07-2009, 10:12 AM
"The Iranians have a point," said one senior administration official. "The U.S. can't forever be the enforcer of a double standard where Israel gets a nuclear free ride but Iran has to abide by every letter in the NPT. President Obama has put the issue of nuclear disarmament at the center of his foreign policy agenda. His credibility is at stake and so is U.S. credibility in the Muslim world. How can we tell Tehran that they're better off without nukes if we won't make the same point to our Israeli friends?"


With this rationale.....why is there any problem with Korea launching missles? If this guy doesn't know the strategic difference between Iran and Israel...then this admin really is clueless when it comes to foreign policy.

This statement on the heels of the US voting "here", actually abstaining from a UN Security Council vote on the resolution calling for a nuclear weapons-free zone in the Middle East. It also demands that Israel sign the 1970 Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty and submit its nuclear facilities to international inspection. Two similar, albeit nonbinding, resolutions were approved last September by the International Atomic Energy Agency in Vienna.

The result.....relations between the Obama administration and the government of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, never warm to begin with, have cooled dramatically.

Mr. Netanyahu also provoked the administration's ire after he was inadvertently caught on an open microphone calling Mr. Obama "worse than Chamberlain." The comment followed the president's historic Dec. 21 summit meeting with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in Geneva, the first time leaders of the two countries have met since the Carter administration.

Also factoring into the administration's thinking are reports that the Israelis are in the final stages of planning an attack on Iran's nuclear installations. Defense Secretary Robert Gates, who met with his Israeli counterpart Ehud Barak in Paris last week, has been outspoken in his opposition to such a strike. The Jerusalem Post has reported that Mr. Gates warned Mr. Barak that the U.S. would "actively stand in the way" of any Israeli strike.

So here we are....The U.S. abstention is sending shock waves through the international community, which has long been accustomed to the U.S. acting as Israel's de facto protector on the Council. It also appears to reverse a decades-old understanding between Washington and Tel Aviv that the U.S. would acquiesce in Israel's nuclear arsenal as long as that arsenal remained undeclared. The Jewish state is believed to possess as many as 200 weapons.
Here is an idea that would fit the current scheme, take all the NUKES away from those that have them and redistribute them to tose that need them!!

Just sayin'......:D




Now....if that doesn't make at least 1 of you laugh, I give!!

Julie R.
10-07-2009, 11:02 AM
Here is an idea that would fit the current scheme, take all the NUKES away from those that have them and redistribute them to tose that need them!!

Just sayin'......:D




Now....if that doesn't make at least 1 of you laugh, I give!!

Genius!! http://i490.photobucket.com/albums/rr266/MouseOnAFeedsack/Smilies/trophyBus.gif

JDogger
10-07-2009, 11:34 AM
You were right. You got one laugh.

RK's plan for nuclear weapons;

http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll176/JDoggger/img130.jpg

Great idea!

Franco
10-07-2009, 11:38 AM
Here is an idea that would fit the current scheme, take all the NUKES away from those that have them and redistribute them to tose that need them!!

Just sayin'......:D






Hard to laugh when this is exactly what Obama is doing, with his naive approach to disarmament.

As I've said before, the Isralis know they can no longer count on us for support. Rev Wright is fiercly anti-Israil and pro-Islam. The same Islam that wants to see all Americans dead. Much of the black community is anti Jew and pro Muslim.

Why would Obama be any different?

ducknwork
10-07-2009, 01:14 PM
Much of the black community is anti Jew and pro Muslim.

Why would Obama be any different?

Because he's half white?

I know, I know...it's a shot in the dark, but it's all we have...
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Bob Gutermuth
10-07-2009, 03:05 PM
If six million of my people had been slaughtered in death camps, I would want nukes too. Never again. Ahmanutjob's country hasn't the history of such a slaughter.

Richard Halstead
10-07-2009, 08:42 PM
Because he's half white?

I know, I know...it's a shot in the dark, but it's all we have...

In Maui they would say hapa half and half.

JDogger
10-07-2009, 11:36 PM
If six million of my people had been slaughtered in death camps, I would want nukes too. Never again. Ahmanutjob's country hasn't the history of such a slaughter.

Well, not since Alexander, even if it was not 6 mil. Of course the CIA and the Shah mighta left a bad taste too.

JD

BonMallari
10-08-2009, 12:23 AM
Here is an idea that would fit the current scheme, take all the NUKES away from those that have them and redistribute them to tose that need them!!

Just sayin'......:D




Now....if that doesn't make at least 1 of you laugh, I give!!

I love it ....now they can redistribute them over Iran, maybe one in the Mts of Pakistan,or one in Hugo Chavez lap...we will even arm it free of charge..lets send one to Putin while we are at it.....J/K folks dont get your shorts into a wad, nuclear proliferation could mean the end of the world..the next one wherever it lands could be the beginning of Armegeddon and that is not a joke

Bob Gutermuth
10-08-2009, 07:21 AM
The PM of Israel is right, Osama is nothing but an appeaser. Considering that the US has always guaranteed the safety of Israel, if I were Bibi, I would be worried too with a eunuch in charge of the US.. If Iran wants a nuke, give em one of ours, right over Tehran, dropped from a B-52

Gerry Clinchy
10-08-2009, 07:51 AM
How can we tell Tehran that they're better off without nukes if we won't make the same point to our Israeli friends?"


Maybe because Tehran, by their own admission, would like to see the U.S. reduced to a charred cinder, and all infidels wiped from the face of the earth?

I do wonder: If all these renegades can figure out how to make a nuke; and gather the materials and technology to use one ... why have they not figured out that any nuclear incident in an area as relatively, geographically small as the Mid-East is going to rain fallout on their own country? We know that suicide is acceptable to them in achieving their goals. It would appear that mass suicide is also acceptable. Talk about drinking the Kool-Aid!

Uncle Bill
10-08-2009, 10:51 AM
I don't think Bibi is gonna take any prisoners. He has been known to "walk-the-walk", and it appears he's not just messing with the small talkers. This could get "veeerrrry intelesting", as Artie would say.

UB



From The Sunday Times
October 4, 2009
Israel names Russians helping Iran build nuclear bomb

Uzi Mahanimi in Tel Aviv, Mark Franchetti and Jon Swain

Israel's prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, has handed the Kremlin a list of Russian scientists believed by the Israelis to be helping Iran to develop a nuclear warhead. He is said to have delivered the list during a mysterious visit to Moscow.

Netanyahu flew to the Russian capital with Uzi Arad, his national security adviser, last month in a private jet.
His office claimed he was in Israel, visiting a secret military establishment at the time. It later emerged that he was holding talks with Vladimir Putin, the Russian prime minister, and President Dmitry Medvedev.
“We have heard that Netanyahu came with a list and concrete evidence showing that Russians are helping the Iranians to develop a bomb,” said a source close to the Russian defence minister last week.
“That is why it was kept secret. The point is not to embarrass Moscow, rather to spur it into action.”
Israeli sources said it was a short, tense meeting at which Netanyahu named the Russian experts said to be assisting Iran in its nuclear programme.

In western capitals the latest claims were treated with caution. American and British officials argued that the involvement of freelance Russian scientists belonged to the past.
American officials said concern about Russian experts acting without official approval, had been raised by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) in a report more than a year ago.
“There has been Russian help. It is not the government, it is individuals, at least one helping Iran on weaponisation activities and it is worrisome,” said David Albright, a former weapons inspector who is president of the Institute for Science and International Security.

However, Israeli officials insist that any Russian scientists working in Iran could do so only with official approval.
Robert Einhorn, the special adviser for non-proliferation and arms control to Hillary Clinton, the US secretary of state, is understood to believe that Russian companies have also supplied material that has been used by Iran in the production of ballistic missiles.

The disclosures came as Iran agreed at talks in Geneva to submit to IAEA inspections of its newly disclosed enrichment plant, which is being built under a mountain on a military base at Qom. Iran revealed the plant to the IAEA to pre-empt being caught out by an imminent announcement from western governments, which had discovered its existence.

The West says the plant is tailor-made for a secret weapons programme and proves Iran’s claim that its nuclear programme is intended only for peaceful purposes is a lie. The plant is designed to hold 3,000 centrifuges — enough to produce the material needed for one bomb a year.

Iran’s conduct over the next few weeks will determine whether the West continues its new dialogue or is compelled to increase pressure with tougher United Nations and other sanctions.

Ephraim Sneh, a former Israeli deputy defence minister, warned that time was running out for action to stop the programme. “If no crippling sanctions are introduced by Christmas, Israel will strike,” he said. “If we are left alone, we will act alone.”

A key test for the West will be whether Iran allows IAEA inspectors unfettered access to the Qom plant. Mohamed ElBaradei, the head of the IAEA, was in Tehran this weekend to discuss this and Iran’s agreement, in principle, to ship most of its current stocks of low-enriched uranium to Russia so it can be used in medical research.

President Barack Obama has told Iran he wants to see concrete results within two weeks.

While there is consensus in the West that Iran is trying to acquire the capability to build a weapon, the progress of its weaponisation programme is a matter of fierce debate among intelligence agencies.

The Americans believe secret work to develop a nuclear warhead stopped in 2003 [at least this is what they say]. British, French and German intelligence believe it was either continuing or has restarted. The Israelis believe the Iranians have “cold-tested” a nuclear warhead, without fissile material, for its Shahab-3B and Sejjil-2 rockets at Parchin, a top-secret military complex southeast of Tehran.

The vast site is officially dedicated to the research, development and production of ammunition, rockets and explosives. Satellite imagery as early as 2003 has shown Parchin to be suitable for research into the development of a nuclear weapon, say western experts.

The Shahab-3B, which the Iranians test-fired last Monday, is capable of carrying a 2,200lb warhead. Its 1,250-mile range puts parts of Europe, Israel and US bases in the Middle East within its reach.

According to the Israelis, Russian scientists may have been responsible for the nuclear warhead design. But western experts have also pointed the finger at North Korea.
Additional reporting:
Michael Smith, Christina Lamb
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6860161.ece# (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6860161.ece)