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K G
10-16-2009, 08:32 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091016/ap_on_bi_go_ec_fi/us_deficit_danger


Change we can be proud of...and out kids can be proud of....and our grandkids can be proud of....and their grandkids.....regards, ;-)

kg

dnf777
10-16-2009, 08:38 PM
That blows the mind away! 1.4 trillion in just ONE YEAR?????

In light of that, it should make much of the political debates easy to solve:

Iraq? Can't afford it....bring 'em home.
Afghanistan? Can't afford it either.....bring them home too.
Health care? One more time, all together now.....No can afford.....we'll have to do with what we got.
Bush's tax cuts? Sorry, Rich folks, gotta roll them back to Reagan rates.

Maybe with those efforts, the Chinese will consider us worthy of their money, so we can afford to do some of the essential items around here!

Mars expedition talk? Moon revisit? Do we even need to mention those?

Raymond Little
10-16-2009, 08:49 PM
Barak Housien Obama,,, MMM!:rolleyes:

luvmylabs23139
10-16-2009, 08:52 PM
[quote=dnf777;513187]
Bush's tax cuts? Sorry, Rich folks, gotta roll them back to Reagan rates.

I wish they would ditch this one!!!
I wish they would completely ditch this. I'm tired of paying for other people's kids!
Taxpayers with children will lose 50 percent of their child tax credits;

Richard Halstead
10-16-2009, 08:56 PM
But a speech President Obama told the audience how he and Nancy (Pelosi) had to grab mops to clean what they were left. He also said if everyone grabbed a mop to help mop the mess is it a socialist mop? :confused:

dback
10-16-2009, 09:28 PM
Someone do the research.....when Obama was in the Senate, did he ever vote against any of the budget bills Bush approved?

Just a thought....I seriously don't know.

ducknwork
10-16-2009, 10:37 PM
Iraq? Can't afford it....bring 'em home.
Afghanistan? Can't afford it either.....bring them home too.


Mars expedition talk? Moon revisit?

I have asked before and not received an answer. How much do the wars contribute to our economy? Perhaps enough to offset the cost?

Also, I don't know how much truth there is to it, but I was complaining to an old guy at work one day about the space program and he said that for every dollar spent on it, it creates 4 to 5 dollars in the private sector.
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ducknwork
10-16-2009, 10:38 PM
Someone do the research.....when Obama was in the Senate, did he ever vote against any of the budget bills Bush approved?



He probably voted present.:rolleyes:
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JDogger
10-16-2009, 11:33 PM
[quote=ducknwork;513225]I have asked before and not received an answer. How much do the wars contribute to our economy? Perhaps enough to offset the cost?
quote]


http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll176/JDoggger/rofl1.gif

OMG you're really serious aren't you? If you are, than please provide us with quotes/ evidence/ statistics/ links. etc. to justify your statement, rather than asking us to substantiate it for you...

...jess sayin, ya know.

JD

dnf777
10-17-2009, 07:14 AM
[quote=ducknwork;513225]I have asked before and not received an answer. How much do the wars contribute to our economy? Perhaps enough to offset the cost?
quote]


http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll176/JDoggger/rofl1.gif

OMG you're really serious aren't you? If you are, than please provide us with quotes/ evidence/ statistics/ links. etc. to justify your statement, rather than asking us to substantiate it for you...

...jess sayin, ya know.

JD

Love the emoticon.

Ducknwork, I'm not on your research staff. I would suggest you pick up any history book and see what has happened to other countries that get themselves bogged down in endless wars in the middle east. You can start with the USSR and Afghanistan in the latter part of the 20th century.

Now, if you or your family is in the Defense contracting business, then I concede your point. However, I was taking about the nation, not a select few corporations and their upper echelons.

And when you suggest "offsetting the cost", what cost? The direct economic costs, or the cost that GoldStar Mothers have paid? Was is MUCH more expensive if you have loved ones fighting in them, unlike those who usually wage them.

On a somewhat different note, regarding another thread, I will be the first to read Don Rumsfeld's book. I bet that one ends up being the blockbuster of all the ones mentioned.

$400/gallon of fuel in A-Stan regards,
Dave

Bob Gutermuth
10-17-2009, 08:10 AM
Osama and his marxist and maoist buddies are trying to destroy capitalism in one year. Sadly they are doing a good job of it.

Roger Perry
10-17-2009, 09:54 AM
I have asked before and not received an answer. How much do the wars contribute to our economy? Perhaps enough to offset the cost?

Also, I don't know how much truth there is to it, but I was complaining to an old guy at work one day about the space program and he said that for every dollar spent on it, it creates 4 to 5 dollars in the private sector.


Hey, if that is the case all we need to do is start more wars. Just think what a war with North Korea, China, Iran, Cuba, Russia and Pakistan would do to boost our economy. :rolleyes:

subroc
10-17-2009, 10:31 AM
Also, I don't know how much truth there is to it, but I was complaining to an old guy at work one day about the space program and he said that for every dollar spent on it, it creates 4 to 5 dollars in the private sector.


I expect it would be hard to support that.

I believe:

As far as the space program goes, sending humans to other worlds is folly.

If an understanding of space is the goal, the hubble, on the otherhand gives lots of bang for the buck.

ducknwork
10-17-2009, 11:37 AM
I expect it would be hard to support that.

I believe:

As far as the space program goes, sending humans to other worlds is folly.

If an understanding of space is the goal, the hubble, on the otherhand gives lots of bang for the buck.

Don't get me wrong. I think going to space is stupid. I don't see the point of spending billions or trillions to crash something into another planet or the moon. I was simply stating what I heard, because I thought someone else may have heard it as well.

If our resident Jeopardy champ (Yardley) was here, I am sure that he would know the truth off of the top of his head.:D
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Gerry Clinchy
10-17-2009, 05:07 PM
Also, I don't know how much truth there is to it, but I was complaining to an old guy at work one day about the space program and he said that for every dollar spent on it, it creates 4 to 5 dollars in the private sector.

In the early days of NASA, I do believe that the research also yielded items that were applicable to civilian use. Miniaturization to conserve weight in the space missions is one thing that comes to mind.

This return on investment may not have remained constant in more recent years.

dnf777
10-17-2009, 07:25 PM
Velcro and tang come to mind.

Nowadays, I don't think that pioneer spirit is driving NASA, or the funding behind it. Ever since the space shuttle was launched, (or maybe long before) the space program has been about military advantage. GPS and satellite imaging are just two examples. Being able to predict weather more accurately is also of vital tactical importance. In all honesty, NASA should probably be a DoD subsidiary.

Hew
10-19-2009, 05:48 AM
Velcro and tang come to mind.

Nowadays, I don't think that pioneer spirit is driving NASA, or the funding behind it. Ever since the space shuttle was launched, (or maybe long before) the space program has been about military advantage. GPS and satellite imaging are just two examples. Being able to predict weather more accurately is also of vital tactical importance. In all honesty, NASA should probably be a DoD subsidiary.
The majority of space shuttle launches have had no military components to them. A third or so of them have had some military aspect to them. Only a handful of shuttle missions have been exclusively military. The Air Force has its own launch platforms for getting most of its hardware into space. But yes, NASA does work closely with the military.

dnf777
10-19-2009, 05:55 AM
The majority of space shuttle launches have had no military components to them.

Sure they don't. The DoD is so careful to tell us about all their missions...esp ones involving Space Command and espionage devices.

I'm all for every advantage we can get, nothing wrong with that. I'm just saying NASA is an operative of the DoD, and that's ok. Easier to justify national security than Buck Rogers exploration. GPS wasn't conceived and funded for geocachers and Garmin Nuvi's in your Subaru!

Hew
10-19-2009, 06:12 AM
I'm just saying NASA is an operative of the DoD, and that's ok.
And I'm just saying that you're wrong. And that's ok, too. When standing in a hole, your motto is, "Dig faster!" :p

BTW, you don't have to be able to walk out your front door for a pretty nice view of every launch, or duck hunt on NASA property within sight of the shuttle launch pads, or even have a number of friends and hunting pards who work at Kennedy Space Center to know that NASA isn't just a tool of the DoD. The information is readily available on the ol' interweb.

dnf777
10-19-2009, 08:56 AM
Hey, I knew a guy who swept floors at the Pentagon, does that make me an expert privvy to the inner workings of the CIA? I used to hunt on Ft. Bliss and could see Patriot missiles, maybe I should start a consulting firm based on my knowledge? :cool:

Don't believe everything you read on the web regards....including this.
Dave

BonMallari
10-19-2009, 10:08 AM
? I used to hunt on Ft. Bliss and could see Patriot missiles, maybe I should start a consulting firm based on my knowledge? :cool:

Don't believe everything you read on the web regards....including this.
Dave

actually it probably does considering how the press "leaks" just about everything else coming out of Langley....Sorry but i'm going to have to give you a pass on the patriot missle deal...Go stay at a Holiday Inn first...:p:p

Illinois Bob
10-19-2009, 12:39 PM
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Mars expedition talk? Moon revisit? Do we even need to mention those?[/quote]

This is one area of spending that I fully support.The more I see and learn about it,the more I support it.I suppose we could just drop out of manned space flight and leave it to the rest of the world to pass us up and we could use the money we save to pay Russia for a ride now and then.I'm looking forward to the Ares 1X launch this month.This to me is far better use of our tax dollars than "cash for clunkers",bailouts,stimulus waste,government healthcare,etc...

dnf777
10-19-2009, 12:51 PM
This is one area of spending that I fully support.The more I see and learn about it,the more I support it.I suppose we could just drop out of manned space flight and leave it to the rest of the world to pass us up and we could use the money we save to pay Russia for a ride now and then.I'm looking forward to the Ares 1X launch this month.This to me is far better use of our tax dollars than "cash for clunkers",bailouts,stimulus waste,government healthcare,etc...

Maybe we could kill two birds with one stone. We could put retired and elderly folks on a rocket and shoot them to Mars. Space exploration and care for the elderly all in one, and cut out funding for medicare and SS.

Illinois Bob
10-19-2009, 01:27 PM
Maybe we could kill two birds with one stone. We could put retired and elderly folks on a rocket and shoot them to Mars. Space exploration and care for the elderly all in one, and cut out funding for medicare and SS.

Now you're talkin'. Not a bad idea.I can think of a few polititians that should go up first.The only problem I have with your idea is that I hope to be elderly at some point and I'm not ready to go yet.There will be no retired people though.We will all be working to our deaths to pay all the taxes.

dnf777
10-19-2009, 01:43 PM
Now you're talkin'. Not a bad idea.I can think of a few polititians that should go up first.The only problem I have with your idea is that I hope to be elderly at some point and I'm not ready to go yet.There will be no retired people though.We will all be working to our deaths to pay all the taxes.

Heck no! The best way to eliminate the deficit and pay off the national debt is to eliminate taxes altogether! Except on poor people who deserve them.

Hew
10-19-2009, 02:41 PM
Don't believe everything you read on the web regards....including this.

Right. There is reams of information attesting to the fact that NASA and the military are distinctly different and autonomous entitites...each tasked with separate and different space-related responsibilities, separate budgets, separate leadership, and are often deeply competitive with each other for resourses. Yet we should discount all that info and believe your hunch...you know, the guy with the same factual accuracy batting record as Baghdad Bob (you've both got a ways to go to even get a peek at the Mendoza Line).

dnf777
10-19-2009, 05:58 PM
Right. There is reams of information attesting to the fact that NASA and the military are distinctly different and autonomous entitites...each tasked with separate and different space-related responsibilities, separate budgets, separate leadership, and are often deeply competitive with each other for resourses. Yet we should discount all that info and believe your hunch...you know, the guy with the same factual accuracy batting record as Baghdad Bob (you've both got a ways to go to even get a peek at the Mendoza Line).

No Hew, we should trust a guy who has seen the launch pads, and shoots ducks with guys that work in the building! Ever watch CSI ? You should apply for a job as director of the FBI!

http://partners.nytimes.com/library/national/science/100685sci-nasa-atlantis.html

http://www.space.com/news/navy_nasa_020412.html

You're so quick to pick a fight over anything. I merely stated in response to someone's comment on NASA that the reason they continue to get funding is they are likely putting military missions into space, such as satellites and GPS technology. That was my hunch...nothing more. You don't need to do anything. But hey, I'll bet you have a garmin, which makes you an expert on GPS satellite missions of NASA. No argument from me!


Dave

Goose
10-19-2009, 06:48 PM
We're on the Titanic and the iceberg's been spotted. We could probably avoid a direct hit but we won't. Captain Obama's steering the boat towards the ice (this is what he meant by change) and we won't elect fiscal conservatives.

I've read several articles recently suggesting that social security will actually start running deficits next year...6 or 7 years before it was anticipated. No big deal, right? Let's just float some more debt.

The coming funding crisis this country is about to experience will be catastrophic and nobody will be spared. The 30's will look like a stroll around the park.

We live in Cuba now.

Hew
10-19-2009, 06:48 PM
You're so quick to pick a fight over anything. I merely stated in response to someone's comment on NASA that the reason they continue to get funding is they are likely putting military missions into space, such as satellites and GPS technology. That was my hunch...nothing more. You don't need to do anything. But hey, I'll bet you have a garmin, which makes you an expert on GPS satellite missions of NASA. No argument from me!
Right. And I quite politely told you your hunch was wrong. Instead of looking into it (your timely 1985 article notwithstanding :rolleyes:) and admitting to yourself that you were mistaken, you double down on your uneducated hunch with more buffoonery about NASA being a stooge of the military.

BTW, the GPS satelite system you've attributed to NASA and mentioned numerous times in this thread...the GPS system is run by the US Air Force, using US Air Force satellites that were released from US Air Force rockets that were launched from US Air Force launch pads.

dnf777
10-19-2009, 08:42 PM
And I'll politely tell you that hunting within visual range of the launch pads (at NASA's Cape Canaveral) and shooting ducks with some guys that work at NASA makes your hunches no more valid than mine. Since I was referring to a period since the first shuttle launch and possibly before, the 1985 and other article is quite timely. But you resort to your typical M.O., which is to discredit anything you don't agree with.

You and Ms. Palin are very similar. One can see Russia, one can see NASA....and you both think that qualifies you as experts! :confused::confused:

Go ahead and take the last shot....I've wasted way too much energy on a passing comment

Hew
10-20-2009, 07:16 AM
You and Ms. Palin are very similar. One can see Russia, one can see NASA....and you both think that qualifies you as experts! :confused::confused:
I dunno about comparisons to Palin (besides the fact that we're both quite pretty :D). But a comparison of you and me reveals that one of us keeps his mouth shut when he's clueless about a particular subject, and one of us, well, doesn't. ;-)