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TXduckdog
10-20-2009, 08:07 AM
Personally....I think the single biggest issue in the current economy is the state of small to medium sized businesses and their ability to create/sustain jobs.

You would think that lawmakers would realize that the easier it is for these businesses to exist and prosper...so goes the economy as a whole.

That being said, the old reliable democratic way of taxation certainly has helped out Michigan, hasn't it?

"In 2007 Governor Jennifer Granholm signed the biggest tax increase in Michigan history, with most of the $1.4 billion coming from business. The personal income tax—which hits nonincorporated small businesses—was raised to 4.2% from 3.95%, and the Michigan business tax levied a surcharge of 22%. The tax money was dedicated to the likes of education, public works, job retraining and corporate subsidies. Ms. Granholm and her union allies called these "investments," and the exercise was widely applauded as a prototype of "progressive" budgeting.

Some prototype. Every state has seen a big jump in joblessness since 2007, but with a 15.2% unemployment rate Michigan's jobs picture is by far the worst. Some 750,000 private-sector payroll jobs have vanished since the start of the decade. For every family that has moved into Michigan since 2007, two have sold their homes and left.

Meanwhile, the new business taxes didn't balance the budget. Instead, thanks to business closures and relocations, tax receipts are running nearly $1 billion below projections and the deficit has climbed back to $2.8 billion. As the Detroit News put it, Michigan businesses are continually asked "to pay more in taxes to erase a budget deficit that, despite their contributions, never goes away." And this is despite the flood of federal stimulus and auto bailout cash over the last year."

"Following her 2007 misadventure, Ms. Granholm promised: "I'm not ever going to raise taxes again." That pledge lasted about 18 months. Now she wants $600 million more. Among the ideas under consideration: an income tax increase with a higher top rate, a sales tax on services, a freeze on the personal income tax exemption (which would be a stealth inflation tax on all Michigan families), a 3% surtax on doctors, and fees on bottled water and cigarettes. To their credit, Republicans who control the Michigan Senate are holding out for a repeal of the 22% business tax surcharge.

As for Ms. Granholm, she and House speaker Andy Dillon continue to bow to public-sector unions. There are now 637,000 public employees in Michigan compared to fewer than 500,000 workers left in manufacturing. Government is the largest employer in the state, but the number of taxpayers to support these government workers is shrinking. The budget deadline is November 1, and Ms. Granholm is holding out for tax increases rather than paring back state government.

The decline in auto sales has hurt Michigan more than other states, but the state's economy would have been better equipped to cope without Ms. Granholm's policy mix of higher taxes in order to spend more money on favored political and corporate interests."

How can the state which houses the major portion of auto manufacturing have an such an imbalance of public sector vs manufacturing jobs?

In support of my original premise....where are the efforts to promote a business climate where JOBS are created/sustained? Instead it's just tax, tax, tax.
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Buzz
10-20-2009, 08:58 AM
Reading this, you would assume that Michigan must have one of the worst tax burdens in the country. In 2008 they were ranked 27th out of 50, with #1 being the highest burden.

I find it interesting that folks who have likely never set foot in Michigan know exactly what is going on there.

TXduckdog
10-20-2009, 09:22 AM
Reading this, you would assume that Michigan must have one of the worst tax burdens in the country. In 2008 they were ranked 27th out of 50, with #1 being the highest burden.

I find it interesting that folks who have likely never set foot in Michigan know exactly what is going on there.

Nothing like that is implied.....it's just that Michigan is held up to be such a PROGRESSIVE model and the fact that so much money was thrown at them because of the auto industry and is spite of all that.....they are 27th.

Pitiful.

Buzz
10-20-2009, 09:38 AM
Michigan has has Republican Governors for 34 of the last 46 years, and 12 of the last 18.

WaterDogRem
10-20-2009, 09:54 AM
Funny how MI has really gone to the dumps (financially) in the last 6 yrs since Jennifer came into office, but what would you expect from a progressive Canadian. After spending 26 yrs there I had to get out 3 yrs ago, and it's too bad because it really has some great outdoors.

Buzz
10-20-2009, 10:05 AM
Funny how MI has really gone to the dumps (financially) in the last 6 yrs since Jennifer came into office, but what would you expect from a progressive Canadian. After spending 26 yrs there I had to get out 3 yrs ago, and it's too bad because it really has some great outdoors.

She must be really good to have been able to completely ruin a state in 3 years.

WaterDogRem
10-20-2009, 11:11 AM
She must be really good to have been able to completely ruin a state in 3 years.

She made a lot of changes soon as she started on Jan 1, 2003. Spending lots of money on broken programs without fixing the problems first or even now.
I saw the writing on the walls and paid the increased state costs and fees, based on her decisions, choices, views, and wants to do for the state. Since all her ideas ran totally against my principals on how to run a household, I used my American freedom and moved to a State where I could work and agree with their ideals (mostly).

Raymond Little
10-20-2009, 11:23 AM
She must be really good to have been able to completely ruin a state in 3 years.

Obamo will be even better Buzzzzzzz.:rolleyes:

code3retrievers
10-21-2009, 04:30 PM
She must be really good to have been able to completely ruin a state in 3 years.

Obama has ruined the country in less then a year. Although he will take it even lower so he must be really great.

JDogger
10-22-2009, 12:13 AM
Obama has ruined the country in less then a year. Although he will take it even lower so he must be really great.

Ya wanna be specific c3r? Or do ya just wanna make broad sweeping generalizations?

JD

code3retrievers
10-22-2009, 01:50 AM
Ya wanna be specific c3r? Or do ya just wanna make broad sweeping generalizations?

JD
Usually I am all for broad sweeping generalizations because I do not have the time to sit down and type specifics. I actually have a job and a life unlike a lot of Obama supporters

Specifics for those that are a little slow.

National debt- Need I say more
Forced Health care - Sorry, has not succeeded yet
Weakened our military resolve (worked on that before his election)
Appointed some of the most corrupt administration members in recent history. ( Tax cheats and more)
Attacked the free press (Fox news / talk radio or anyone else that does not agree with his admin)
Divided our country along racial lines. (The libs and his cronies manage to bring this up on every issue)
Still in Iraq with his date for withdrawal approaching fast.
Can't make a decision on Afghanistan (What poor Afghan is going to stick his neck out knowing that this idiot can't make up his mind what to do. He has had almost a year to come up with his own strategy. Time to make a decision.
Wastes his time running around like he is still on the campaign trail.
Wrong on the stimulus.
Attempting to redistribute our nations wealth
Wrong on Cap and Trade
Wrong on the Jobless rate
Wrong on the deficit
Has this guy ever been right.
He has sent the justice department after those that are attempting to enforce the law. (Sheriff Joe in AZ)
For essentially open borders


On a personal note-
Whiner and apologist in chief
Lied about his support of single payer system.
Lies about pay-go.
Lied about his associations (reverend Wright / Bill Ayers)
Will not release his educational transcripts (I wonder why?)
Can't make a decent sentence with out a teleprompter

JDogger
10-22-2009, 01:41 PM
I don't agree with any of your points c3r, but then I don't think the country has been ruined either.
I do think even though things are not perfect, the country is better off with the republicans out of power for a while.

JD

code3retrievers
10-23-2009, 01:30 PM
I don't agree with any of your points c3r, but then I don't think the country has been ruined either.
I do think even though things are not perfect, the country is better off with the republicans out of power for a while.

JD

Are you going to sit there and tell me you agree with everything Obama has done. What kind of sheep are you?

I am conservative but I could tell you about 20 things I did not agree with Bush doing. You libs crack me up! Most of you libs insist that you are moderates but can not come up with one disagreement with your left wing leader.

You do not agree with any point? So, I guess you are for TRILLION dollar deficits. You are for open borders. You are for appointing Goldman employees and tax cheats. You are for the president attacking the free press. You are for crying racism at every turn.
You are for increased energy prices under Cap and Trade

Sounds like you would rather live in Venezuela with some of the other leftists.

Obamas a guy who controls both the Congress and Senate and still can't get anything done. I suppose that's what the left calls leadership.

Personally I can't wait for the next election.

JDogger
10-23-2009, 02:13 PM
Are you going to sit there and tell me you agree with everything Obama has done. No What kind of sheep are you? Not the kind to spout a list of talking points. Most of the bleating seems to be coming from the right.

I am conservative but I could tell you about 20 things I did not agree with Bush doing. You libs crack me up! Most of you libs insist that you are moderates but can not come up with one disagreement with your left wing leader. Like it or not he's your President too for the next few years.

You do not agree with any point? What if I do? I guess you want some kind of response, so here goes. So, I guess you are for TRILLION dollar deficits. No, but that didn't start in Jan. You are for open borders. Yes, I liked it when I could just walk back and forth to Mexico. Doesn't mean I support illegal immigration. You are for appointing Goldman employees and tax cheats. There have always been questionable WH appointees. Didn't start in Jan. You are for the president attacking the free press. Again, didn't start in Jan. You are for crying racism at every turn. Hyberpole.
You are for increased energy prices under Cap and Trade. Hasn't happened yet. You notice gas prices lately?

Sounds like you would rather live in Venezuela with some of the other leftists. I wounldn't mind a visit.

Obamas a guy who controls both the Congress and Senate and still can't get anything done. I suppose that's what the left calls leadership. Seems to me congress is out of control

Personally I can't wait for the next election.

Me neither, for different reasons.
JD

code3retrievers
10-23-2009, 09:07 PM
The problem with the Democrats is that they are willing to over look any lapse in ethics to keep power. You continue to state that "it did not start with Obama but where will it end?
That did not make it right then nor now but you are more then willing to use that as your excuse for continuing unethical behavior.

You are the one that asked for specifics. If you did not want them don't ask.

Also my thoughts are not talking points they are from Obama's lips and what I have seen him accomplish so far.

So far he has kept only a few campaign promises and broken a lot more i.e. transparency.

As far Venezuela I suppose since you would like to visit do also you throw your support behind their communist dictator, after all Obama is following closely in his footsteps ( controlling banks, manufacturing, dictating pay, hoping to redistribute wealth and attacking the press. He is also well on the way to devaluing our money (as if Bush did already do that enough) and introducing inflation.

As far as Cap and Trade, Obama is the one that stated your energy prices will soar under his plan.

Even the other networks would not go along with Obama trying to shut out Fox News. What a bunch of cowards. Are they afraid of a couple of tough questions or are they afraid of the truth.

JDogger
10-23-2009, 10:40 PM
c3r.

I'll only address your one question as pertains to Venezuela. Yes, I would visit. I have visited and lived in many countries. Do I support the Chavez government in Venzuela? No. I still believe that my country, the USA is where I would prefer to live. My travels have given me a broad experience, but I believe, that with all the ups and downs, the USA is still the best. I don't believe the country has been ruined. Presidents come and go, political parties rise and fall. My country, right or wrong. My President, right or wrong. I still believe.

JD