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road kill
10-29-2009, 08:55 AM
MOST now say NO!!:shock:

From Politics Daily by Bruce Drake


"For First Time Under Obama, Majority Says U.S. Is on Wrong Track
Posted: 10/27/09Filed Under:Democrats, Republicans, Barack Obama, Economy, Health Care, Polls, Foreign Policy, Obama Administration, Afghanistan, Poll Watch 440 Comments + Join the discussion »TEXT SIZE:AAAPRINT SHARE While the stock market has picked up and the country appears to be pulling out of the recession, a majority of Americans - for the first time in the Obama presidency - says the U.S. is headed down the wrong track, according to a Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll conducted Oct. 22-25.


Fifty-two percent say the country is on the wrong track compared to 36 percent who say it is headed in the right direction with 9 percent saying conditions are mixed and 3 percent undecided. While there have been pluralities saying the U.S. is on the wrong track in four of the previous five WSJ/NBC polls during Obama's presidency, this is the first time the number broke 50 percent. The one month where that was not true was April when 43 percent said things were on the right track and an equal number said they were going in the opposite direction.

President Obama's job approval rating stands at 51 percent, the same number it had been during the previous two months.

But the approval ratio for his handling of the economy has dipped from 51 in September to 47 percent in October. Forty-nine percent are very dissatisfied with the state of the economy and another 31 percent are somewhat dissatisfied. Seventeen percent are somewhat satisfied and only 2 percent are very satisfied.

Fifty-eight percent say there is "still a ways to go" before the economy hits bottom, while 29 percent believe the economy has bottomed out. But a plurality - 42 percent - believe things will get better in the next 12 months compared to 33 percent who say they will stay the same and 22 percent who predict things will be worse. Sixty-three percent believe that current conditions are due to factors Obama inherited while 20 percent say he is responsible for them.

Sixty-four percent don't see the improvement in the stock market as real evidence the economy is improving.

Ironically, given questions about his experience on foreign affairs during the presidential campaign, the public approves of his handling of this area by 51 percent to 39 percent with 10 percent undecided.

Sixty-five percent disapprove of the job Congress is doing compared to 24 percent who approve with 11 percent undecided. Fifty-six percent have a very or somewhat positive view of Obama (this is a different metric than job approval) while 33 percent are in the negative camp. Americans see the Democratic Party positively by a 42 percent to 36 percent margin with 20 percent declaring themselves neutral, while the Republican Party is regarded negatively by 46 percent to 25 percent with 27 percent being neutral. Fourteen percent see the Democrats "very positively" while only 6 say the same about the GOP.

Fifty-seven percent say the partisan atmosphere in Washington is equally the fault of both parties while 24 percent blame the Republicans and 17 percent finger the Democrats. The numbers are about the same for the public's view of partisan wrangling on health care.

Overall, Americans say by 46 percent to 38 percent that they want Congress to still be in Democratic hands after next year's elections. Sixteen percent are undecided. Forty-nine percent say, that in their own districts, they'd like to see a new face, while 41 percent say their representative deserves to be elected. But those findings need to be taken with a grain of salt given the re-election rate for incumbents.

On health care, 42 percent say the reform plan Obama is pushing is a bad idea, 38 percent say it's a good idea and 16 percent have no opinion, with another 4 percent unsure. That's about the same as last month. But even though a plurality of those polled believe the cost of their health care will go up under an overhaul of the system, 45 percent say it is better to pass his plan compared to 39 percent who disagree.

Forty-eight percent disapprove Obama's handling of the health care issue while 43 percent approve with 9 percent undecided, a ratio that has grown more negative since last month. But Republicans can take no solace in that because 64 percent disapprove of their performance on the issue compared to 23 percent who approve and 13 percent who are undecided. Those are about the same numbers that the poll found last month.

On Afghanistan, Americans support a troop increase by 47 percent to 43 percent with 10 percent undecided. Last month, they opposed it by 51 percent to 44 percent with 5 percent undecided.

However, when asked about specifics about increasing the number of troops, Americans oppose by 49 percent to 43 percent sending as many as 40,000 additional soldiers as requested by Gen. Stanley McChrystal, the top commander in Afghanistan. If the number of troops was 10,000, 55 percent would support the increase compared to 36 percent who would find it unacceptable. The public divides at 45 percent each on the option of withdrawing nearly all troops and using Predator drones and special forces to attack al Qaeda camps.

Buzz
10-29-2009, 08:58 AM
Time to break out the champaign and confetti! Woo Hoo!!!!

Bob Gutermuth
10-29-2009, 08:59 AM
Thanks to Osama and his minions, the US is on the road to perdition, and quickly.

road kill
10-29-2009, 09:13 AM
Time to break out the champaign and confetti! Woo Hoo!!!!
How do you like it??

Pay back is a *****!!
Maybe Roger can explain how it's all Bush's fault, or Yardley can write 11 paragraphs on how this really means everyone is pleased!!

Had to hear it from your side for quite a while.
You got your way, your guys ain't producing!!
Champaign & confetti??
Hardly, it's very sad.

just sayin......

Gerry Clinchy
10-29-2009, 10:58 AM
The NY Times is not very positive on how the H1N1 flu problem has been handled
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/29/us/politics/29shortage.html?_r=1&th&emc=th

Goose
10-29-2009, 12:23 PM
Next Tuesday's elections in New Jersey and Virginia should prove real interesting.

Roger Perry
10-29-2009, 03:03 PM
How do you like it??

Pay back is a *****!!
Maybe Roger can explain how it's all Bush's fault, or Yardley can write 11 paragraphs on how this really means everyone is pleased!!

Had to hear it from your side for quite a while.
You got your way, your guys ain't producing!!
Champaign & confetti??
Hardly, it's very sad.

just sayin......

Economy grows at best pace in 2 years

Third-quarter GDP reading shows growth at 3.5 percent pace


WASHINGTON - The U.S. economy grew at a 3.5 percent pace in the third quarter, the best showing in two years, fueled by government-supported spending on cars and homes. It's the strongest signal yet that the economy has entered a new, though fragile, phase of recovery and that the worst recession since the 1930s has ended.
President Barack Obama hailed the data, saying the country has "come a long way" since early this year.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33529806/ns/business-stocks_and_economy/

WaterDogRem
10-29-2009, 03:13 PM
Economy grows at best pace in 2 years

Third-quarter GDP reading shows growth at 3.5 percent pace


WASHINGTON - The U.S. economy grew at a 3.5 percent pace in the third quarter, the best showing in two years, fueled by government-supported spending on cars and homes. It's the strongest signal yet that the economy has entered a new, though fragile, phase of recovery and that the worst recession since the 1930s has ended.
President Barack Obama hailed the data, saying the country has "come a long way" since early this year.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33529806/ns/business-stocks_and_economy/

What's your point?

By your account everything up to date has been Bush's fault, then this must be too.

Roger Perry
10-29-2009, 03:32 PM
What's your point?

By your account everything up to date has been Bush's fault, then this must be too.

RK's post was "are we headed in the right direction"


With the economy GDP growing by 3.5% and the economy on the rise, seems to be counter to what RK's post seems to suggest.


"For First Time Under Obama, Majority Says U.S. Is on Wrong Track
Posted: 10/27/09Filed Under:grin:emocrats, Republicans, Barack Obama, Economy, Health Care, Polls, Foreign Policy, Obama Administration, Afghanistan, Poll Watch 440 Comments + Join the discussion »TEXT SIZE:AAAPRINT SHARE While the stock market has picked up and the country appears to be pulling out of the recession, a majority of Americans - for the first time in the Obama presidency - says the U.S. is headed down the wrong track, according to a Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll conducted Oct. 22-25.

Bob Gutermuth
10-29-2009, 03:38 PM
Osama has a problem with 10% unemployment, that certainly is not the direction America should be heading. We are on the road to a socialist state, and that is for sure the wrong path.

Roger Perry
10-29-2009, 03:48 PM
Osama has a problem with 10% unemployment, that certainly is not the direction America should be heading. We are on the road to a socialist state, and that is for sure the wrong path.

Which is it Bob, are we heading for a Socialist state, a Marxist state or a Facist state? I have heard you refer to all three.

Bayou Magic
10-29-2009, 03:57 PM
Economy grows at best pace in 2 years

Third-quarter GDP reading shows growth at 3.5 percent pace


WASHINGTON - The U.S. economy grew at a 3.5 percent pace in the third quarter, the best showing in two years, fueled by government-supported spending on cars and homes. It's the strongest signal yet that the economy has entered a new, though fragile, phase of recovery and that the worst recession since the 1930s has ended.
President Barack Obama hailed the data, saying the country has "come a long way" since early this year.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33529806/ns/business-stocks_and_economy/


Also from the referenced report: "Armed with cash from government support programs, consumers led the rebound in the third quarter, snapping up cars and homes."

Even the AP and msnbc saw fit to put a dose of reality into the report. What happens when OPM (other people's money) runs out and the government props are gone?

Only fiscal responsibility will bring real recovery, not artifical programs that require more spending.

fp

WaterDogRem
10-29-2009, 05:34 PM
RK's post was "are we headed in the right direction"


With the economy GDP growing by 3.5% and the economy on the rise, seems to be counter to what RK's post seems to suggest.


"For First Time Under Obama, Majority Says U.S. Is on Wrong Track
Posted: 10/27/09Filed Under:grin:emocrats, Republicans, Barack Obama, Economy, Health Care, Polls, Foreign Policy, Obama Administration, Afghanistan, Poll Watch 440 Comments + Join the discussion »TEXT SIZE:AAAPRINT SHARE While the stock market has picked up and the country appears to be pulling out of the recession, a majority of Americans - for the first time in the Obama presidency - says the U.S. is headed down the wrong track, according to a Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll conducted Oct. 22-25.

So who's accomplishment/fault is it for heading in this direction?

K G
10-29-2009, 06:44 PM
The government is here to save us, right? :p

I feel better already....:rolleyes:

Hope all you libs are ready for the MASSIVE tax increase that's coming FOR EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Top 2% my @$$ regards,

kg

YardleyLabs
10-29-2009, 07:11 PM
MOST now say NO!!:shock:

From Politics Daily by Bruce Drake


"For First Time Under Obama, Majority Says U.S. Is on Wrong Track
.... While the stock market has picked up and the country appears to be pulling out of the recession, a majority of Americans - for the first time in the Obama presidency - says the U.S. is headed down the wrong track, according to a Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll conducted Oct. 22-25.


Fifty-two percent say the country is on the wrong track compared to 36 percent who say it is headed in the right direction with 9 percent saying conditions are mixed and 3 percent undecided. While there have been pluralities saying the U.S. is on the wrong track in four of the previous five WSJ/NBC polls during Obama's presidency, this is the first time the number broke 50 percent. The one month where that was not true was April when 43 percent said things were on the right track and an equal number said they were going in the opposite direction.

....

To give this a context, the last time 52% of the people felt that the country was headed in the wrong direction was November 2005. Between then and Obama's inauguration, the number was much, much higher (ranging up to 78%). Following Obama's inauguration, the percentage dropped immediately to 43-44%. It has been creeping up slowly since then as would be expected until economic conditions for average people begin to improve.

With the exception of the period of six months following 9/11, the last time less than 40% of the people believed we were heading in the wrong direction was when Clinton was President.

Leddyman
10-29-2009, 10:48 PM
To give this a context, the last time 52% of the people felt that the country was headed in the wrong direction was November 2005. Between then and Obama's inauguration, the number was much, much higher (ranging up to 78%). Following Obama's inauguration, the percentage dropped immediately to 43-44%. It has been creeping up slowly since then as would be expected until economic conditions for average people begin to improve.

With the exception of the period of six months following 9/11, the last time less than 40% of the people believed we were heading in the wrong direction was when Clinton was President.

Thanks...I knew it was Bush's fault.

Pheeew! I almost thought Obama was flushing the currency down the toilet and killing the job market, but now that you remind me that nobody liked Bush I realize that everything Obama is doing is good and I'm just worrying over nothing.

Thank goodness! When will we wake up regards,

Bob Gutermuth
10-30-2009, 09:07 AM
Socialist, marxist or facist, not a dimes worth of difference among the three except in a political science textbook. I want to live under none of them. Unfortunately osama has other ideas.

Roger Perry
10-30-2009, 09:27 AM
WASHINGTON - More than 650,000 jobs have been saved or created under President Barack Obama's economic stimulus plan, the White Househttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2.gif (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33548535/ns/business-stocks_and_economy/#) said Friday, saying it is on track to reach the president's goal of 3.5 million jobs by the end of next year.
New job numbers from businesses (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33548535/ns/business-stocks_and_economy/#), contractors, state and local governments, nonprofit groups and universities were not scheduled to be released publicly until Friday afternoon. But White House economic adviser Jared Bernstein says officials have been told the figures. When adding in jobs linked to $288 billion in tax cuts, Bernstein says the stimulus plan has created or saved more than 1 million jobs.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33548535/ns/business-stocks_and_economy/

Steve Hester
10-30-2009, 11:43 AM
WASHINGTON - More than 650,000 jobs have been saved or created under President Barack Obama's economic stimulus plan, the White Househttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2.gif (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33548535/ns/business-stocks_and_economy/#) said Friday, saying it is on track to reach the president's goal of 3.5 million jobs by the end of next year.
New job numbers from businesses (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33548535/ns/business-stocks_and_economy/#), contractors, state and local governments, nonprofit groups and universities were not scheduled to be released publicly until Friday afternoon. But White House economic adviser Jared Bernstein says officials have been told the figures. When adding in jobs linked to $288 billion in tax cuts, Bernstein says the stimulus plan has created or saved more than 1 million jobs.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33548535/ns/business-stocks_and_economy/

More goverment propaganda. Some credible sources say the actual number is at best 30,000 jobs.

ducknwork
10-30-2009, 12:01 PM
I doubt there is a way to accurately count 'saved' jobs.:rolleyes:

Is there a hotline at the White House where business owners can call in and say 'Mr. Obama, thank you. My business was going to shut its doors last week, but thanks to your stimulus plan, we are still open for business! We have 10 employees.'? Then some intern puts 10 more tally marks on the chalkboard?
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Hoosier
10-30-2009, 12:27 PM
I doubt there is a way to accurately count 'saved' jobs.:rolleyes:

Is there a hotline at the White House where business owners can call in and say 'Mr. Obama, thank you. My business was going to shut its doors last week, but thanks to your stimulus plan, we are still open for business! We have 10 employees.'? Then some intern puts 10 more tally marks on the chalkboard?

Let x = How many jobs Bush would have been responsible for loosing
Let y = The number of jobs Dear Leader has saved
Let z = The number of jobs actually lost

Example:
x=300,000,000
z=200,000,000

x-z=y

300,000,000-200,000,000=100,000,000

There you have it, Dear Leader will have saved 100,000,000 jobs by the time he's done.

Raymond Little
10-30-2009, 12:37 PM
Let x = How many jobs Bush would have been responsible for loosing
Let y = The number of jobs Dear Leader has saved
Let z = The number of jobs actually lost

Example:
x=300,000,000
z=200,000,000

x-z=y

300,000,000-200,000,000=100,000,000

There you have it, Dear Leader will have saved 100,000,000 jobs by the time he's done.
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K G
10-30-2009, 12:49 PM
Here you go, Roger...et al....

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=aUuHhaDx8Hr8

kg

ducknwork
10-30-2009, 02:10 PM
Let x = How many jobs Bush would have been responsible for loosing
Let y = The number of jobs Dear Leader has saved
Let z = The number of jobs actually lost

Example:
x=300,000,000
z=200,000,000

x-z=y

300,000,000-200,000,000=100,000,000

There you have it, Dear Leader will have saved 100,000,000 jobs by the time he's done.

Thanks for clearing that up. What was I thinking? I should have known there was a credible way to figure all this out! DUH!
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Hoosier
10-30-2009, 03:15 PM
Thanks for clearing that up. What was I thinking? I should have known there was a credible way to figure all this out! DUH!

No problem.

That formula also works on:
-How many beers I would have drank in the last 20 years had I not gotten married.
-How many super models I would have dated in that same period.
-How many deer, ducks, pheasants, grouse, ect. I would have shot, had I been able to hunt when ever I wanted.
-% of blame to place on everyone in any situation

You name it, and plug in whatever numbers you feel are appropriate, and it'll work. Who knows if your good enough at it, the White House may even give you a job.