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Marvin S
11-02-2009, 10:57 AM
Anybody from back there got the scoop on this one - appears to be a liberal D running in R's shoes.

BTW, Jeff, a Rockefeller R is only a verbal declaration away from being a left of center D. When you state that an R served please be considerate enough note the difference. Christie Whitman, Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins come to mind as perfect examples.

subroc
11-02-2009, 11:07 AM
I have not been following it very well. But, it appears the the lefties running the republican party wanted her. I guess it was an attempt to homogenize the two parties into what the political class wanted to see. Newt has really been showing his new centrist stance in recent times. Good to see the grass roots, at least in NY23, won the day. Now I just hope they win the election.

Buzz
11-02-2009, 11:35 AM
I But, it appears the the lefties running the republican party wanted her.

The Republicans are way too liberal.

Bob Gutermuth
11-02-2009, 11:49 AM
Scozzafava is an"Obama" Republican, the party needs her like a hole in the head. I hope the Conservative party candidate wins, he is a Reagan Republican.

YardleyLabs
11-02-2009, 12:02 PM
The 23rd is a solidly Republican district so it would be a stunning upset for a Democrat to win. However, the situation there reflects a battle within Republican ranks that could easily undermine hopes for 2010. In any polls currently, the results suggest that the Republican party is poised to win a substantial number of seats in the mid-term elections if they run "generic" Republicans. However, given the battle between moderates and conservatives for control of the party, it is possible that moderates will be pushed out as it seems many here would prefer. If that happens, it could easily reduce those hoped for victories.

WaterDogRem
11-02-2009, 12:35 PM
Glad to hear she's dropped out.

dnf777
11-02-2009, 02:57 PM
The 23rd is a solidly Republican district so it would be a stunning upset for a Democrat to win. However, the situation there reflects a battle within Republican ranks that could easily undermine hopes for 2010. In any polls currently, the results suggest that the Republican party is poised to win a substantial number of seats in the mid-term elections if they run "generic" Republicans. However, given the battle between moderates and conservatives for control of the party, it is possible that moderates will be pushed out as it seems many here would prefer. If that happens, it could easily reduce those hoped for victories.

That sums up the republican parties woes going back to Newt's Contract with America. That was like the 'extinction burst' of the modern republican party. And I always thought the democrats were the party of self-destruction....

Marvin S
11-02-2009, 04:53 PM
That sums up the republican parties woes going back to Newt's Contract with America. That was like the 'extinction burst' of the modern republican party. And I always thought the democrats were the party of self-destruction....

The CWA became a moot point when government was shut down & the :confused: R's chose to pay the government employees for not working when an agreement was reached.

subroc
11-02-2009, 05:43 PM
The Republicans are way too liberal.

I couldn't agree more...

Bob Gutermuth
11-02-2009, 07:57 PM
I agree with Buzz too, the GOP is way too liberal.

subroc
11-02-2009, 08:17 PM
The 23rd is a solidly Republican district so it would be a stunning upset for a Democrat to win. However, the situation there reflects a battle within Republican ranks that could easily undermine hopes for 2010. In any polls currently, the results suggest that the Republican party is poised to win a substantial number of seats in the mid-term elections if they run "generic" Republicans. However, given the battle between moderates and conservatives for control of the party, it is possible that moderates will be pushed out as it seems many here would prefer. If that happens, it could easily reduce those hoped for victories.

An extreme left wing, new york times view of what ails the republican party.

How would you know?

What ails the republican party is it is indistinguishable from the democrat.

A clear example is Scozzafava is voting for the democrat now that she has dropped out.

So much for your theory.

YardleyLabs
11-02-2009, 08:26 PM
An extreme left wing, new york times view of what ails the republican party.

How would you know?

What ails the republican party is it is indistinguishable from the democrat.

A clear example is Scozzafava is voting for the democrat now that she has dropped out.

So much for your theory.
The logic of a two party system is inexorable. Find the middle or lose. The only exceptions are when the other party completely implodes.

dixidawg
11-02-2009, 08:28 PM
The current administration is far, far, from my idea of the middle.

YardleyLabs
11-02-2009, 08:31 PM
The current administration is far, far, from my idea of the middle.
Then that means there is lots of room to find in the middle. Why keep aiming at the farthest edges of the right?

subroc
11-02-2009, 08:36 PM
Then that means there is lots of room to find in the middle. Why keep aiming at the farthest edges of the right?

Why do you accept the extreme left as the norm?

YardleyLabs
11-03-2009, 05:23 AM
Why do you accept the extreme left as the norm?
Why do you accept the extreme right? I find the glorification of greed and the denigration of compassion in right wing rhetoric to be so extreme that I believe any society that actually lived by the principles espoused by the likes of crazy Beck or drug rush Limbaugh would dissolve into post apocalyptic horror in less than a generation.

subroc
11-03-2009, 05:58 AM
I expect we could go back and forth all day.

Any nation that spends money the way we do is destined to fail in less than a generation. We, as a nation, "know" SS is running out of money and will probably fail in our lifetime. What is the response to that by the extreme left wing leadership that populates the democrats in congress? Take over healthcare.

Well, you can "feel" good that you were on the side of services for all as your left wing meme, when the nation runs out of the resources to provide it.

Pete
11-03-2009, 07:22 AM
Why do you accept the extreme right? I find the glorification of greed and the denigration of compassion in right wing rhetoric to be so extreme that I believe any society that actually lived by the principles espoused by the likes of crazy Beck or drug rush Limbaugh would dissolve into post apocalyptic horror in less than a generation

I find beck,savage,limbaugh and people like them to be very compassionate. And not a burden on society

I find people like Jackson,Rangold,Farican,rev wright ,Barney Frank, you name it to be vicious, and un compassionate. And definitely apocoliptic type behavior;) I see most liberals who are in control of things as a burden on the traditional american life style.

Jeff
It would depend on your definition of compasionate and how you see the world

I dont think it is compassionate to keep catching fish for a guy or his family when all they would have to do to feed themselves is get out of bed in the morning.

Pete

road kill
11-03-2009, 07:26 AM
The logic of a two party system is inexorable. Find the middle or lose. The only exceptions are when the other party completely implodes.
Really??

Are you saying that Obama is in the "middle??"

That is the furthest thing from the truth.

road kill
11-03-2009, 07:33 AM
Why do you accept the extreme right? I find the glorification of greed and the denigration of compassion in right wing rhetoric to be so extreme that I believe any society that actually lived by the principles espoused by the likes of crazy Beck or drug rush Limbaugh would dissolve into post apocalyptic horror in less than a generation.
Why do you accept the extreme left, espousing a full frontal attack on the American traditions and culture at every turn?

Who are you to decide that Beck is crazy, when Rev Wright exists?

In regard to your personal; dig at Rush, what sitting President wants pot legalized, thereby endorsing a culture?

Get real dude, some of us LOVE America as much as your group hates it!!

Buzz
11-03-2009, 08:06 AM
I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.

dixidawg
11-03-2009, 08:10 AM
I get hungry and thirsty several times a day. How many times are you going to feed me?

road kill
11-03-2009, 08:12 AM
I get hungry and thirsty several times a day. How many times are you going to feed me?
It depends.....who you ganna vote for??

Pete
11-03-2009, 08:56 AM
I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.


Buzz here is my rendition

I was hungry and you gave me food so everyday I would look for you to see if you had free food for me. I was thirsty and you gave me drink ,so everyday I came looking for you for because its easier than working.
When I was naked you cloth me and the cloths you gave me were not nice enough so when you went to work the next morning I raided you closet.
When I went to prison you came to me and bailed me out.
I was so appreciative I called all my friends and they came over to your place and we had a party in your name.

When you got home from work you had a really big mess to clean up.

I left you a note thanking you for your compassion

Pete

YardleyLabs
11-03-2009, 09:09 AM
....

Jeff
It would depend on your definition of compasionate and how you see the world

I dont think it is compassionate to keep catching fish for a guy or his family when all they would have to do to feed themselves is get out of bed in the morning.

Pete
I absolutely agree that compassion is seen more in helping someone to become self sufficient than in caring for someone as a dependent. Training someone for dependency -- which we do on a regular basis whether intentionally or not -- is the ultimate degradation. However, simply blaming someone for their condition without making any effort to help them change is pretty much like killing someone who has insulted you and then walking over to their body and yelling "That will teach you!"

YardleyLabs
11-03-2009, 09:12 AM
Why do you accept the extreme left, espousing a full frontal attack on the American traditions and culture at every turn?

Who are you to decide that Beck is crazy, when Rev Wright exists?

In regard to your personal; dig at Rush, what sitting President wants pot legalized, thereby endorsing a culture?

Get real dude, some of us LOVE America as much as your group hates it!!
I'm not sure what group you are referring to. l love America and I love its traditions. The most valuable of these is democracy, which too many on the right now seem willing to sacrifice when they disagree with election results.

road kill
11-03-2009, 09:14 AM
I'm not sure what group you are referring to. l love America and I love its traditions. The most valuable of these is democracy, which too many on the right now seem willing to sacrifice when they disagree with election results.
I do not disagree with the election results.
The Dems won.
Frankly, I don't see them losing as many predict.
There are too many on the nipple.
Too many votes!!

I disagree with the ideology and methods of ramming those ideas up my.....woops, I mean down my throat!!:D

Buzz
11-03-2009, 09:45 AM
Buzz here is my rendition

I was hungry and you gave me food so everyday I would look for you to see if you had free food for me. I was thirsty and you gave me drink ,so everyday I came looking for you for because its easier than working.
When I was naked you cloth me and the cloths you gave me were not nice enough so when you went to work the next morning I raided you closet.
When I went to prison you came to me and bailed me out.
I was so appreciative I called all my friends and they came over to your place and we had a party in your name.

When you got home from work you had a really big mess to clean up.

I left you a note thanking you for your compassion

Pete

You should hook up with these folks: http://rawstory.com/2009/10/conservapedia-rewrite-bible/


Conservative group aims to delete ‘liberal bias’ from Bible

By Daniel Tencer
Tuesday, October 6th, 2009 -- 1:08 pm
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"Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing."

That famous line, attributed to Jesus in Luke 23:34, could well apply to the folks at Conservapedia -- the "conservative version" of Wikipedia -- who have embarked on a project to rewrite the Bible.

In an effort to rid the Good Book of "liberal bias," the group has set up the Conservative Bible Project, which aims to rewrite the Bible from a modern, conservative perspective.

"Liberal bias has become the single biggest distortion in modern Bible translations," the project's Web site asserts.

And the line quoted above is one of the group's targets for deletion in a truly "conservative" Bible. The "forgive them father" quote "is a favorite of liberals but should not appear in a conservative Bible," Conservapedia states.


And evidently many of Jesus' other teachings -- from the "turn the other cheek" lesson, to his disdain for profiteering -- will also no longer be acceptable in the conservative Bible.

"Socialistic terminology permeates English translations of the Bible, without justification," the Web site states -- a strange assertion, given that English versions of the Bible date back at least to the 16th century, while socialism as a concept was formed in the 18th century.

To combat the Bible's "socialism," the Conservative Bible Project wants to see Biblical use of the words "comrade," "labor" and "fellow" (as in "fellow worker") reduced.

Not surprisingly, the project has come under ridicule and derision from some corners.

"Jesus was obviously misquoted all over the place," blogger P.Z. Myers writes sarcastically. "So what to do? When your claim of godly authority rests on your interpretation of God's holy word, but God's holy words contradict your desired ends, you're in a bit of a pickle. There is a solution, though: rewrite the Bible and change the liberal bits!"

"The insane hubris of this really staggers the mind," writes Rod Dreher at Beliefnet. "These right-wing ideologues know better than the early church councils that canonized Scripture? They really think it's wise to force the word of God to conform to a 21st-century American idea of what constitutes conservatism? These jokers don't worship God. They worship ideology."

Pete
11-03-2009, 10:52 AM
Buzz
I have no problem forgiving someone who has done me wrong. People change,,,but I'll be dam if it happens to me again.

I Often wonder about people who pull verses out of context and give their interpretation.
How much time did you put into researching how that verse fits with everything else the bible has to say about the subject.

conservatives,liberals ,commies,marxists,,fascists,, ect.. can be just as forgiving as anybody else.

Do you have any idea why JC said turn the other cheek?

Personally Buzz ,,people need to leave the wording the way it is.

I think its commical you stick me in the same room as these guys.

I think its you that should hook up with them

Mans basic spiritual problem is that he doesnt believe the book has integrety. If they did they wouldn't throw stuff around so nilly willy. They would spend alot of time trying to figure him out if they thought he was real.

After all is did creat the heavans and the earth,,,which is alittle more intriging than a politics

Just using some logic here.


Pete

Buzz
11-03-2009, 11:28 AM
Buzz

1. Do you have any idea why JC said turn the other cheek?


2. Personally Buzz ,,people need to leave the wording the way it is.
I think its you that should hook up with them



1. Yes, Jesus was not in favor of responding to evil with violence. Turing the other cheek is a way of robbing your assailant the satisfaction of having humiliated you.
2. No thanks. They aren't even talking about going back to the original and translating. They want to take the King James version and modify it to take out liberal ideas that they don't feel belong there.

Pete
11-03-2009, 11:53 AM
[QUOTE][. Yes, Jesus was not in favor of responding to evil with violence. Turing the other cheek is a way of robbing your assailant the satisfaction of having humiliated you/QUOTE]

Buzz
That only applies in certain contexts,
If someone repeatily hit me with the intent to mame or kill well then lets just say I would never worship a god that required me to sit there and take it,,nor should anyone else.

There is a ton of history behind that verse and most verses. Real quick as to not bore people here.
JC was a king.. Isreal thought their king was going to kick ass like David did,,,Peter responded exactly how an old testiment dude should.
JC was trying to teach them about the spiritual battle that is constantly going on. And how their new king didnt come here to kick physical arse but spiritual.

Thats why many disciples left the JC movement,,they were hoping JC would restore Isreal as they new it,, not as god had planned.
The carnal man cannot know the things of God because spirit is spirit and flesh is flesh.

You need a mediator between God and man.

Thats an incredably condensed and full of holes explanation;) But accurate in portion
You are correct in the right context also.
We must always look at context and motivation. Thats doggy talk.:D

Pete