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Roger Perry
11-06-2009, 08:22 AM
President Barack Obama is set to sign a $24 billion economic stimulus bill providing tax incentives to prospective homebuyers and extending unemployment benefits to the longtime jobless who have been left behind as the economy veers toward recovery.

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/20160

Gerry Clinchy
11-06-2009, 09:33 AM
See "housing market" thread, Roger.

They tacked the housing thing onto the unemployment extension, since (according to the real estate source), the White House was "lukewarm" about extending the housing credit.

I won't contribute to the NAR PAC because too often I disagree with their lobbying objectives.

Bob Gutermuth
11-06-2009, 09:38 AM
The last stimulus is breaking the country, unemployment is getting worse and we need another porkulus plan like we need Osama in the White House.

ducknwork
11-06-2009, 10:47 AM
We haven't even spent the majority of the last stimulus, right? Then why the HELL do we need to have another???!!!

Quit spending my grandkids money, assholes!:mad:

Roger Perry
11-08-2009, 01:56 PM
Where was all the outrage when GW Bush signed a stimilus bill in Jan 2008?

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush on Wednesday signed the Economic Stimulus Act of 2008, calling it a "booster shot" for the American economy.
"The bill I'm signing today is large enough to have an impact, amounting to more than $152 billion this year, or about 1 percent of the GDP (gross domestic product)," the president said in the brief ceremony in the East Room of the White House.

Obama's stimilus bill was for only $24 Billion.

M&K's Retrievers
11-08-2009, 03:43 PM
Where was all the outrage when GW Bush signed a stimilus bill in Jan 2008?

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush on Wednesday signed the Economic Stimulus Act of 2008, calling it a "booster shot" for the American economy.
"The bill I'm signing today is large enough to have an impact, amounting to more than $152 billion this year, or about 1 percent of the GDP (gross domestic product)," the president said in the brief ceremony in the East Room of the White House.

Obama's stimilus bill was for only $24 Billion.

More of the same crap doesn't make it right!!

gdlocal10
11-08-2009, 03:47 PM
I talked to a banker and he said money is harder to get that ever, and the politicions are more disceitfull than ever. please over look my spelling, Obama said it was correct. Only stimulation for the ones they choose, not the American public, you know the ones that don't really need it

Roger Perry
11-08-2009, 05:05 PM
The last stimulus is breaking the country, unemployment is getting worse and we need another porkulus plan like we need Osama in the White House.

Bob, I did not see you comment on the Bush $124 Billion stimulus bill of 2008:confused:

M&K's Retrievers
11-08-2009, 06:31 PM
as the economy veers toward recovery.

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10+% unenemployed is veering towards recovery?? I don't think so...

JDogger
11-08-2009, 06:52 PM
10+% unenemployed is veering towards recovery?? I don't think so...

10% + unemployment has not been unheard of. Do you view it as a strictlely partisan issue? Why? It has occured before under both parties.
It will occur again after recovery, whenever that might occur. If the ability to forecast economic upswings and downswigs were so easy, we might all be rich men. Freemarket economies are not so easy to predict. Otherwise we would not have an entire industry based on it. Don't let your political judgements sway your financial judgements. A lot of money has been made lately, mostley by those whose financial judgements are free of political interests. Que no?

JD

Martin
11-08-2009, 08:52 PM
More of the same crap doesn't make it right!!

Well stated. Would you jump off a bridge if your friends did, comes to mind. Lol

T. Mac
11-08-2009, 10:27 PM
10% + unemployment has not been unheard of. Do you view it as a strictlely partisan issue? Why? It has occured before under both parties.
It will occur again after recovery, whenever that might occur. If the ability to forecast economic upswings and downswigs were so easy, we might all be rich men. Freemarket economies are not so easy to predict. Otherwise we would not have an entire industry based on it. Don't let your political judgements sway your financial judgements. A lot of money has been made lately, mostley by those whose financial judgements are free of political interests. Que no?

JD

While unemployment has been over 10% before, there are several differences between the last time (early 80's) and today. Some are spelled out in this article http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33766513/ns/business-local_business/ but other facits include that it was manufacturing and housing that brought us out of the 80's recession. This is not likely to happen this time as we have lost a lot of our manufacturing capabilities and the over supply of housing created during the housing bubble.

The closest true example of anything similar to what we have today is the period after the great depression. And it was the war and the manufacturing of war materials that finally got us out of that downturn.

I believe that a lot of wall streets gyrations comes from the fact that there is now a huge amount of money being generated and invested from "self directed" retirement programs such as 401K's. As this money mounts up at the brokerages, and demand is generated that it be invested and that profits be realized, there becomes a feeding frenzy and a bubble in all wall street prices not really supported by historic data.

M&K's Retrievers
11-09-2009, 12:29 AM
Well stated. Would you jump off a bridge if your friends did, comes to mind. Lol

Afraid you lost me there.

ducknwork
11-09-2009, 06:32 AM
Where was all the outrage when GW Bush signed a stimilus bill in Jan 2008?

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush on Wednesday signed the Economic Stimulus Act of 2008, calling it a "booster shot" for the American economy.
"The bill I'm signing today is large enough to have an impact, amounting to more than $152 billion this year, or about 1 percent of the GDP (gross domestic product)," the president said in the brief ceremony in the East Room of the White House.

Obama's stimilus bill was for only $24 Billion.


Bob, I did not see you comment on the Bush $124 Billion stimulus bill of 2008:confused:


10% + unemployment has not been unheard of. Do you view it as a strictlely partisan issue? Why? It has occured before under both parties.
It will occur again after recovery, whenever that might occur. If the ability to forecast economic upswings and downswigs were so easy, we might all be rich men. Freemarket economies are not so easy to predict. Otherwise we would not have an entire industry based on it. Don't let your political judgements sway your financial judgements. A lot of money has been made lately, mostley by those whose financial judgements are free of political interests. Que no?

JD

Is this the only way that you guys can defend all the spending? Keep telling us that we shouldn't say anything about it unless we complained when it happened in the past? What a joke. Obviously, you cannot truly defend your messiah, so you attempt to silence those who disagree with you by calling them hypocrites. Excessive spending wasn't right then and it isn't right now, especially given the circumstances we are in NOW.

JDogger
11-10-2009, 09:51 AM
While unemployment has been over 10% before, there are several differences between the last time (early 80's) and today. Some are spelled out in this article http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33766513/ns/business-local_business/ but other facits include that it was manufacturing and housing that brought us out of the 80's recession. This is not likely to happen this time as we have lost a lot of our manufacturing capabilities and the over supply of housing created during the housing bubble.

The closest true example of anything similar to what we have today is the period after the great depression. And it was the war and the manufacturing of war materials that finally got us out of that downturn.

I believe that a lot of wall streets gyrations comes from the fact that there is now a huge amount of money being generated and invested from "self directed" retirement programs such as 401K's. As this money mounts up at the brokerages, and demand is generated that it be invested and that profits be realized, there becomes a feeding frenzy and a bubble in all wall street prices not really supported by historic data.

I agree that that are historical differences to economic downturns and recoveries. Growth will occur again. It is the nature of the beast. I can't predict where it will come from, I don't know. Maybe a weakening dollar and millions of consumers in counties like India, will give a boost to exports.
I don't believe the sky is falling.

JD

K G
11-10-2009, 10:37 AM
I don't believe the sky is falling.

JD

Tell that to the 10+ % out of work....

kg

JDogger
11-10-2009, 10:58 AM
Tell that to the 10+ % out of work....

kg

The 10% number is misleading. Half that number were always out of work before the recession. Unemployment rises in a recession, and being a lagging indicator, is among the last to recover.
The company I work for has started hiring new manager trainees in preparation for planned expansion. Sales gains are begining to show.

I appreciate the dilemma of being out of work. Been there done that. When I was, I went to the mountains and cut firewood and dug and balled small pinion trees and sold them out of the back of my truck. Hard work, but it kept me going. Sometimes you have to accept a lesser job, but it still doesn't mean the sky is falling.

JD

K G
11-10-2009, 12:14 PM
The 10% number is misleading. JD

Yeah....some economists say it's as high as 17%....

Po-tay-to, Po-tah-to regards, ;-)

kg

JDogger
11-10-2009, 01:54 PM
Yeah....some economists say it's as high as 17%....

Po-tay-to, Po-tah-to regards, ;-)

kg

Well then, half that number were probably unemployed pre-recession.
Full employment under any administration or economy...the potato that never was.

BTW kg, the unemployment rate that is generally accepted is from the US Bureau of Labor Statistics, not from some economist.

JD

Roger Perry
11-10-2009, 04:18 PM
Yeah....some economists say it's as high as 17%....

Po-tay-to, Po-tah-to regards, ;-)

kg
Monthly Unemployment Rate Chart This chart shows the seasonally adjusted Unemployment Rate from January 2003 through December 2008. The rate was 5.8 percent in January 2003. It peaked at 6.3 percent in June 2003, and then it began an uneven but steady decline. By December 2003 it had dropped to 5.7 percent, below the level it was at in January of that year. The rate continued to decline till it reached a low of 4.4 percent in October 2006. It rose to 4.6 percent by January of 2007, but declined to 4.4 percent again by March 2007. The rate then underwent an uneven increase until it reached 7.2 percent in December of 2008. (The source is the Bureau of Labor Statistics.)
http://www.doleta.gov/Performance/images/Monthly_Unemployment_Jan03.jpg BLS Series LNS 14,000,000 Seasonal Unemployment Rate 16 years and over YearJan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec 2003 5.8 5.9 5.9 6.0 6.1 6.3 6.2 6.1 6.1 6.0 5.8 5.7 2004 5.7 5.6 5.8 5.6 5.6 5.6 5.5 5.4 5.4 5.5 5.4 5.4 2005 5.2 5.4 5.2 5.1 5.1 5.0 5.0 4.9 5.1 5.0 5.0 4.8 2006 4.7 4.7 4.7 4.7 4.7 4.6 4.7 4.7 4.5 4.4 4.5 4.4 2007 4.6 4.5 4.4 4.5 4.5 4.6 4.74.74.74.84.75.02008 4.94.85.1 5.0 5.5 5.5 5.76.16.16.56.77.0



Did anyone really expect the unemployment rate to drop drastically just because a new President came into office no matter who the President would have been? Stock market was still going down, businesses closing, banks folding, housing being foreclosed on, and so on and so on and so on.

ErinsEdge
11-11-2009, 06:02 PM
It gets better-this is CNN, not Fox.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULHHJ62TLG8

JDogger
11-11-2009, 06:43 PM
It gets better-this is CNN, not Fox.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULHHJ62TLG8

Well it is Lou Dobbs after all.

Most bills 'making their way through congress' seldom emerge in the same form as introduced, if they emerge at all. Is the bill as presented a POS? I think so. If you want to influence the way a bill will be voted on by your representative, make your feelings known by contacting them and expressing your views. What is not helpful is the 24 hour cable news cycle ( CNN,FOX,MSNBC, etc) presenting these things as done deals. You have a voice, use it, through letters, emails, or the ballot box. You're only as helpless as you allow yourself to be.

JD