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Roger Perry
11-06-2009, 09:45 AM
The techniques, he said, were approved by Bush's justice department and closely monitored by the CIA. It did not amount to torture and broke no laws or international agreements, and the simulated drowning technique known as "waterboarding" was used only three times.


C.I.A. interrogators (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/c/central_intelligence_agency/cia_interrogations/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier) used waterboarding (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/t/torture/waterboarding/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier), the near-drowning technique that top Obama administration officials have described as illegal torture, 266 times on two key prisoners from Al Qaeda (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/a/al_qaeda/index.html?inline=nyt-org), far more than had been previously reported
The C.I.A. (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/c/central_intelligence_agency/index.html?inline=nyt-org) officers used waterboarding at least 83 times in August 2002 against Abu Zubaydah (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/z/abu_zubaydah/index.html?inline=nyt-per), according to a 2005 Justice Department legal memorandum. Abu Zubaydah has been described as a Qaeda operative.

I guess Cheney has another memory lapse (waterboarding used only 3 times) :rolleyes:

In all instances, he said, the methods used produced valuable information about terrorist operations. A future administration prosecuting Americans for what a previous president asked them to do, Cheney said, is a "fundamentally flawed concept."

Then let the CIA that did the torture have immunity and proscute the person(s) who ordered the CIA to carry out the orders. ;-)

dnf777
11-06-2009, 09:54 AM
The techniques, he said, were approved by Bush's justice department and closely monitored by the CIA. It did not amount to torture and broke no laws or international agreements, and the simulated drowning technique known as "waterboarding" was used only three times.


C.I.A. interrogators (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/c/central_intelligence_agency/cia_interrogations/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier) used waterboarding (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/t/torture/waterboarding/index.html?inline=nyt-classifier), the near-drowning technique that top Obama administration officials have described as illegal torture, 266 times on two key prisoners from Al Qaeda (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/a/al_qaeda/index.html?inline=nyt-org), far more than had been previously reported
The C.I.A. (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/c/central_intelligence_agency/index.html?inline=nyt-org) officers used waterboarding at least 83 times in August 2002 against Abu Zubaydah (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/z/abu_zubaydah/index.html?inline=nyt-per), according to a 2005 Justice Department legal memorandum. Abu Zubaydah has been described as a Qaeda operative.

I guess Cheney has another memory lapse (waterboarding used only 3 times) :rolleyes:

In all instances, he said, the methods used produced valuable information about terrorist operations. A future administration prosecuting Americans for what a previous president asked them to do, Cheney said, is a "fundamentally flawed concept."

Then let the CIA that did the torture have immunity and proscute the person(s) who ordered the CIA to carry out the orders. ;-)


Geez, Rog, are you going to quibble over three verses Three Hundred??? What's a few hundred violations of international treaty and US policy between friends??? :rolleyes:

Roger Perry
11-06-2009, 09:58 AM
Geez, Rog, are you going to quibble over three verses Three Hundred??? What's a few hundred violations of international treaty and US policy between friends??? :rolleyes:

Hey, Cheney made it back in the current news by flapping his gums again yesterday.
Current new, regards

Bob Gutermuth
11-06-2009, 10:40 AM
Cheney is right. All the investigation will do is crew up our intel gathering apparatus.

Roger Perry
11-06-2009, 11:22 AM
Cheney is right. All the investigation will do is crew up our intel gathering apparatus.

Cheney doesn't want to get his a$$ in a wringer. It is just like the Narcs, they don't want to go after the street dealer, they want the supplier. Cut off the snakes tail and he will grow another one, cut off the snakes head and he is dead. If the ones giving orders are prosicuted, maybe it would send a message to those that give orders in the future.

ducknwork
11-06-2009, 11:42 AM
I would be interested in finding out how many lives, American or any other nationality, were saved by information gained from making an America hating violent terrorist criminal uncomfortable for a little while.

Not that you would care or anything... I know you are more concerned about being nice and friendly those who hate us and want to kill us than saving the lives of your own countrymen. Typical hippie lib BS.

Roger Perry
11-06-2009, 11:46 AM
I would be interested in finding out how many lives, American or any other nationality, were saved by information gained from making an America hating violent terrorist criminal uncomfortable for a little while.

Not that you would care or anything... I know you are more concerned about being nice and friendly those who hate us and want to kill us than saving the lives of your own countrymen. Typical hippie lib BS.

We have had over 4,000 of our military personnel killed in Iraq over a needless war. Don't tell me I do not care. How many do you think would have been killed if we never invaded Iraq?

ducknwork
11-06-2009, 11:51 AM
We have had over 4,000 of our military personnel killed in Iraq over a needless war. Don't tell me I do not care. How many do you think would have been killed if we never invaded Iraq?


Are you privy to all of the knowledge and intelligence that our President and his staff have available to them? Or do you just believe what the little man in your idiot box tells you is the truth? I don't think anyone has the knowledge to call it needless, unless they know the whole truth and you sure as hell don't get it from ANY news source in America.

3000+ were killed in one day on our soil. Probably wouldn't have been that difficult to do again. Go on defending those that did it to us. They'll at least love Roger Perry. Hate America, but love you. You will just give them warm fuzzies every time they think about you and how you and your hippie friends stick up for them at America's expense.

Roger Perry
11-06-2009, 11:57 AM
Are you privy to all of the knowledge and intelligence that our President and his staff have available to them? Or do you just believe what the little man in your idiot box tells you is the truth? I don't think anyone has the knowledge to call it needless, unless they know the whole truth and you sure as hell don't get it from ANY news source in America.

3000+ were killed in one day on our soil. Probably wouldn't have been that difficult to do again. Go on defending those that did it to us. They'll at least love Roger Perry. Hate America, but love you. You will just give them warm fuzzies every time they think about you and how you and your hippie friends stick up for them at America's expense.

I spent 4 years serving my Country in the U.S. Navy (1965-1969) the Viet Nam years. It's not about me, but can you tell me how the 3,000 plus that died in one day on our soil has anything to to with the invasion of Iraq?

ducknwork
11-06-2009, 12:00 PM
I spent 4 years serving my Country in the U.S. Navy (1965-1969) the Viet Nam years. It's not about me, but can you tell me how the 3,000 plus that died in one day on our soil has anything to to with the invasion of Iraq?

Point out where I said that it did have something to do with Iraq. My first paragraph dealt with your Iraq comment. The second dealt with your sympathy for our enemy.

Roger Perry
11-06-2009, 12:36 PM
Point out where I said that it did have something to do with Iraq. My first paragraph dealt with your Iraq comment. The second dealt with your sympathy for our enemy.

You talked about our enemys. Are not the al queda in Iraq not our enemys, even though al queda never existed there before the invasion?

dnf777
11-06-2009, 01:47 PM
Not that you would care or anything... I know you are more concerned about being nice and friendly those who hate us and want to kill us than saving the lives of your own countrymen. Typical hippie lib BS.

A jerk just killed 13 of our troops at Ft. Hood. HE hates us, not Roger! Not an appropriate time to say one of your fellow retriever enthusiasts wants to be nice and friendly with those who want to kill us. We're all Americans here.

Gerry Clinchy
11-06-2009, 02:01 PM
If the ones giving orders are prosicuted, maybe it would send a message to those that give orders in the future.

Can't recall ... was anyone from the banking debacle prosecuted? put on trial? put in jail? How about the "regulators" who let it all happen?

ducknwork
11-06-2009, 02:22 PM
A jerk just killed 13 of our troops at Ft. Hood. HE hates us, not Roger! Not an appropriate time to say one of your fellow retriever enthusiasts wants to be nice and friendly with those who want to kill us. We're all Americans here.

Yes, we are all Americans, Dave. It would be great if we all could agree on everything. However, I just don't see myself chastising any CIA folks for waterboarding or playing rock music really loud or some BS like that to help save American lives (or any lives for that matter). (Or just posting a link to an article that gives someone a chance to simply bash Cheney again, regardless of topic:rolleyes:) Now, if we started lopping off fingers and toes, I would have a problem with that. Until then, I just can't understand the mentality that some folks have regarding sympathy for our enemies.

And yes, my prayers go out to those involved with the Ft. Hood incident as well.

Leddyman
11-06-2009, 02:25 PM
A jerk just killed 13 of our troops at Ft. Hood. HE hates us, not Roger! Not an appropriate time to say one of your fellow retriever enthusiasts wants to be nice and friendly with those who want to kill us. We're all Americans here.

No Sir!...A MUSLIM just killed 13 of our troops. I don't suppose you want to claim it was justified.

We are at war with an ideology that has a name... That name is Islam.

That is why we went into Iraq, that is why we are in the 'Stan. If we hadn't gone there they would've come here. Do you get that? They still want to come here but they don't have time because we are putting foot to ass there. There we loose soldiers. Soldiers die in battle. Here we loose women and children..pregnant mothers. Though I know unborn children in general concern you not a whit. Civilians die in terrorist attacks.

That is the difference. You may not want to be friendly with the enemy, but I find it interesting that you can not NAME them.

dnf777
11-06-2009, 02:51 PM
I don't suppose you want to claim it was justified.


What exactly do you mean by that Leddyman?

http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae306/dnf777/DSC_0159-2009-11-06at15-36-08.jpg

The flag that laid over my father-in-law resides on our mantle. My coffin will have a flag over it one day. Do you REALLY want to ask me if I think the deaths of 13 of our brothers and sisters was JUSTIFIED???

dnf777
11-06-2009, 02:55 PM
We are at war with an ideology that has a name... That name is Islam.



Your former President, George W. Bush, who ordered troops into Iraq and Afghanistan disagrees with you. But then again, he was just Commander in Chief, he's not you.

"My country desires peace," Bush told world leaders in the cavernous main hall at the U.N. "Extremists in your midst spread propaganda claiming that the West is engaged in a war against Islam. This propaganda is false and its purpose is to confuse you and justify acts of terror. We respect Islam."

http://www.michigandaily.com/content/bush-us-not-war-islam

By your own words, it sounds like you are one of the "extremists in your midst" that Pres. Bush was referring to??

YOUR words, and President Bush's.......not mine.

Cheers

YardleyLabs
11-06-2009, 03:05 PM
No Sir!...A MUSLIM just killed 13 of our troops. I don't suppose you want to claim it was justified.

We are at war with an ideology that has a name... That name is Islam.

That is why we went into Iraq, that is why we are in the 'Stan. If we hadn't gone there they would've come here. Do you get that? They still want to come here but they don't have time because we are putting foot to ass there. There we loose soldiers. Soldiers die in battle. Here we loose women and children..pregnant mothers. Though I know unborn children in general concern you not a whit. Civilians die in terrorist attacks.

That is the difference. You may not want to be friendly with the enemy, but I find it interesting that you can not NAME them.
The United States is NOT at war with Islam and I cannot imagine any war that would be less justified or more completely stupid if we were. I would just as soon be at war with Christianity, or Buddhism, or any other religion. If you want to fight a religious war, do it on your own and not in the name of my country.

Leddyman
11-06-2009, 08:12 PM
The United States is NOT at war with Islam and I cannot imagine any war that would be less justified or more completely stupid if we were. I would just as soon be at war with Christianity, or Buddhism, or any other religion. If you want to fight a religious war, do it on your own and not in the name of my country.

You are wrong. Islam is at war with the United States and just because you want to whistle past the graveyard that doesn't make it go away.

So tell me which person that has killed a U.S. Citizen over this war wasn't Islamic? Which person who plants IED's beside the roads over there isn't Islamic? Which person who is funding the Bombs and ammunition that is killing U.S. Soldiers isn't Islamic? Which person who planned and carried out the terrorist attacks that have ocurred starting on 9-11 and since then wasn't Islamic?

Your attempt at moral equivalency between Islam and Christianity is laughable.

Leddyman
11-06-2009, 08:18 PM
What exactly do you mean by that Leddyman?

http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae306/dnf777/DSC_0159-2009-11-06at15-36-08.jpg

The flag that laid over my father-in-law resides on our mantle. My coffin will have a flag over it one day. Do you REALLY want to ask me if I think the deaths of 13 of our brothers and sisters was JUSTIFIED???

Take it how you want bub. I was saying that you wouldn't claim it was justified and that it was a Muslim that did it. You can't be bothered to name the enemy.
Your father-in-law probably would've had the nuts to name the enemy.

Typical liberal ploy...get all offended and drape yourself in the flag while you continue to advocate the socialist policies that are ruining our country and appease the enemy.

How DARE you....I have a FLAAAGGG!!

Leddyman
11-06-2009, 08:23 PM
Your former President, George W. Bush, who ordered troops into Iraq and Afghanistan disagrees with you. But then again, he was just Commander in Chief, he's not you.

"My country desires peace," Bush told world leaders in the cavernous main hall at the U.N. "Extremists in your midst spread propaganda claiming that the West is engaged in a war against Islam. This propaganda is false and its purpose is to confuse you and justify acts of terror. We respect Islam."

http://www.michigandaily.com/content/bush-us-not-war-islam

By your own words, it sounds like you are one of the "extremists in your midst" that Pres. Bush was referring to??

YOUR words, and President Bush's.......not mine.

Cheers

Nobody said we didn't want peace. Bush couldn't say who the real enemy was because there are too many of your ilk in places of power. Dewey got that one right didn't he.

I want peace as much as anybody. I wish every body could come home. The reality is if we came home right now Muslims would follow with bombs. The choice is Their shores or ours. We are not at war with any country or geographic area. We are at war with an ideology. That ideology has a name. The name is Islam.

dnf777
11-06-2009, 09:01 PM
Nobody said we didn't want peace. Bush couldn't say who the real enemy was because there are too many of your ilk in places of power. Dewey got that one right didn't he.

I want peace as much as anybody. I wish every body could come home. The reality is if we came home right now Muslims would follow with bombs. The choice is Their shores or ours. We are not at war with any country or geographic area. We are at war with an ideology. That ideology has a name. The name is Islam.

Very scary.
I now know how religious wars get waged. Thank God, yes, thank GOD He keeps people with your ideology out of positions to wage war....for the most part!

dnf777
11-06-2009, 09:12 PM
Take it how you want bub. I was saying that you wouldn't claim it was justified and that it was a Muslim that did it. You can't be bothered to name the enemy.
Your father-in-law probably would've had the nuts to name the enemy.

Typical liberal ploy...get all offended and drape yourself in the flag while you continue to advocate the socialist policies that are ruining our country and appease the enemy.

How DARE you....I have a FLAAAGGG!!

I love you self-ritcheous chicken hawks! FYI, my father in law was a life-long liberal democrat who served in Europe, then spent his life in a humble USPS job. He was of that "ilk", that you wouldn't understand; but rather criticize.

I will be happy to name the enemy. Islamic extremists militants. To label ALL Muslims as such would be like labelling ALL Christians akin to those who blow up abortion clinics, Olympic parks, etc... Most people have the intelligence to know that the actions of extremists do not necessarily reflect everyone's position. For example, I don't label all republicans with your brand of extreme ethnic/religious prejudices!

And by the way, "Bub", I'll wave my flag anywhere I damn well please. I believe in what it stands for, even for giving bozo extremists the right to free speech.

Leddyman
11-06-2009, 09:22 PM
Very scary.
I now know how religious wars get waged. Thank God, yes, thank GOD He keeps people with your ideology out of positions to wage war....for the most part!

Who are you kidding bub. You don't believe in God. You certainly don't thank him. If you insist on trying to make my statement some kind of reversion to the attempt by the Europeans to take the holy land you just prove your own intellectual dishonesty. I am not advocating genocide or even religiocide. I am saying that we know who is trying to kill us. We kill as many of them as it takes until they agree to stop. Then we quit.

People with my ideology...the ones who want to kill the terrorists. They are waging the war. I typed that slow so you can understand it.

If you tell me which terrorist isn't Muslim you might have a point.
Here is the most recent.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091106/ap_on_re_us/us_fort_hood_shooting
Fort Hood.
Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan Muslim.

The dead included a pregnant woman who was preparing to return home, a man who quit a furniture company job to join the military about a year ago, a newlywed who had served in Iraq and a woman who had vowed to take on Osama bin Laden after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

His relatives in the West Bank said they had heard from family members that Hasan felt mistreated in the Army as a Muslim.
"He told (them) that as a Muslim committed to his prayers he was discriminated against and not treated as is fitting for an officer and American," said Mohammed Malik Hasan, 24, a cousin. "He hired a lawyer to get him a discharge."

So he just decided to kill as many as possible. If it had been my family or yours he wouldn't have stopped.

If you refuse to see the truth then have a nice day.

Bob Gutermuth
11-06-2009, 09:44 PM
If fighting the taliban and the rest of those bandits in Iraq and Afghanistan isn't a war with and one started by Islam, then who are we at war with? The Irish? Ths Israelis? Redheads?

dnf777
11-06-2009, 10:00 PM
People with my ideology...the ones who want to kill the terrorists. .

www.army.mil

If you can put your honesty where you mouth is, go to that link and find your nearest recruiting office. They'll be happy to accomodate your wishes. Its never too late. I served next to a CWO with a Viet nam combat patch in 2000.

Funny, you telling me I don't believe in God. Have we ever met?

"You certainly don't thank him."

BTW, in Church, I was taught to capitalize pronouns when referring to God. Its a sign of respect. Kind of funny, someone who doesn't believe in God, according to you, having to show you how to pay proper respect! :rolleyes:


If you want to discuss issues of differing views, thats what we're here for. If you want to insult my patiotism, tell me I don't believe in God, nor do I thank Him...I don't have the time to waste.

Happy training

M&K's Retrievers
11-07-2009, 12:54 AM
I need to start a new thread called " Roger Perry/ Yardley Idiots"

YardleyLabs
11-07-2009, 05:38 AM
Personally I would be happy to see those who want to fight religious wars -- be they Christians, Muslims or others -- return to the Middle Ages and spend eternity playing crusaders. For those who want to count and are prepared to count fairly, I can guarantee a few things:
More Muslims have been killed by Christians over the last decade than Christians that have been killed by Muslims.
More Christians have been killed by Christians through acts of war, acts of terrorism, personal acts of violence, etc., than have ever been killed by Muslims.
Over the last 100 years, more Jews have been killed by Christians than have ever been killed by Muslims.
Almost none of the more than one billion Muslims in the world have ever committed any act of violence against a Christian.
...

If you tell me which terrorist isn't Muslim you might have a point.
Here is the most recent. ...


How about Seung-Hui Cho? If you don't remember, he is the guy who murdered 32 people at Virginia Tech. He was raised as a Christian and in his manifesto -- delivered to the media following the massacre -- declared "Thanks to you I died like Jesus Christ, to inspire generations of the weak and defenseless people." The fact is that crazy people are crazy. Their religion is irrelevant. I suspect that Major Nidal Malik Hasan, a US citizen by birth, shares more with Seung-Hui Cho than with Osama Bin Laden. In the words of the Executive Director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, “No political or religious ideology could ever justify or excuse such wanton and indiscriminate violence,”

dnf777
11-07-2009, 06:11 AM
I need to start a new thread called " Roger Perry/ Yardley Idiots"

Call it what you like, but at least we'll know where to go to avoid the typical Rush/Beck narrow-minded parroting of hatred and right-wing extremist fundamentalism.

Pete
11-07-2009, 09:12 AM
Then let the CIA that did the torture have immunity and proscute the person(s) who ordered the CIA to carry out the orders

Torture may or may not work I dont know,,,

I do know,,personally I would spill my guts after ten minutes of heavy metal.

But what I think would work really well and it involves no torture at all is to line them all up and go down the row asking questions ,
If the interigator is not satified with the answere then he blows the prisners head off and moves to the next in line. Maby by the 2nd or 3rd guy you might get some answeres. If not you'll save the taxpayer alot of money.
This way they each have the choice to spill their guts or not. And there is no pain involved. I believe also that everyone here would agree this is a better alternative to torture. Incluing Jeff, Rodger, and Dave. See we can work this out together.



Pete

Roger Perry
11-07-2009, 10:12 AM
Nobody said we didn't want peace. Bush couldn't say who the real enemy was because there are too many of your ilk in places of power. Dewey got that one right didn't he.

I want peace as much as anybody. I wish every body could come home. The reality is if we came home right now Muslims would follow with bombs. The choice is Their shores or ours. We are not at war with any country or geographic area. We are at war with an ideology. That ideology has a name. The name is Islam. We kill as many of them as it takes until they agree to stop. Then we quit.


So your solution is what, capture all the Muslems, put them in box cars, ship them to a concentration camps and execute them in gas chambers?

Currently, there are about 2,300,000.000 (2.3 billion) Muslems in the world to about 300,000,000 (300 million) Americans in the world. That is almose 8 to 1 odds against us. How many do you think we may need to kill before all the Muslems of the world unite and get pissed off enough to kill us all?

zeus3925
11-07-2009, 10:52 AM
No Sir!...A MUSLIM just killed 13 of our troops. I don't suppose you want to claim it was justified.

We are at war with an ideology that has a name... That name is Islam.

That is why we went into Iraq, that is why we are in the 'Stan. If we hadn't gone there they would've come here. Do you get that? They still want to come here but they don't have time because we are putting foot to ass there. There we loose soldiers. Soldiers die in battle. Here we loose women and children..pregnant mothers. Though I know unborn children in general concern you not a whit. Civilians die in terrorist attacks.

That is the difference. You may not want to be friendly with the enemy, but I find it interesting that you can not NAME them.


Your post makes it obvious you do not know Jack---t about Muslims and Islam. What's worse is that you are proud of your ignorance!

How many Muslims do you know? You don't have to answer, it's none.

Gerry Clinchy
11-07-2009, 10:58 AM
I can guarantee a few things:

More Muslims have been killed by Christians over the last decade than Christians that have been killed by Muslims.This time frame might conveniently exclude certain events that might make the Muslim figures more even in how many killed whom.

2. More Christians have been killed by Christians through acts of war, acts of terrorism, personal acts of violence, etc., than have ever been killed by Muslims.

This would be possible, but would also bear comparing to how many Muslims killed their own. Right now in Iraq, Iran,A'stan, P'stan Muslims are killing Muslims as well.

3. Over the last 100 years, more Jews have been killed by Christians than have ever been killed by Muslims.

Well, I guess we may have no choice but to accept that Hitler and many of his followers may have called themselves Christians.


3. Almost none of the more than one billion Muslims in the world have ever committed any act of violence against a Christian.

Not sure by how many the # of Muslims outnumber the # of Christians in the world, but surely the majority of Christians have not committed any act of violence against a Muslim either; or other Christians. To the credit of many Christians, they do NOT hold the enitre Muslim population responsible for a few of the extremists. Some may, but I don't think there are as many as there are Muslims who believe non-believers should be summarily executed (not just Christians, but anyone not a Muslim).


Evil exists ... both Christianity and Islam have been instruments of evil when left to fanatics.

zeus3925
11-07-2009, 11:21 AM
Evil exists ... both Christianity and Islam have been instruments of evil when left to fanatics.

Add to that, politics.

dnf777
11-07-2009, 11:44 AM
Your post makes it obvious you do not know Jack---t about Muslims and Islam. What's worse is that you are proud of your ignorance!

How many Muslims do you know? You don't have to answer, it's none.

Well said, Zeus.
Of note, the president of the American Islamic Democratic Forum just said on the news that he would FAVOR enhanced background checks of Muslims in the military in light of the recent tragedy, and that he would NOT consider it profiling. He said he would welcome such action if it would prevent this from ever occurring again. He went on to say he is tired of his religion being hijacked by extreme radicals, giving him a bad name! I know how the guy feels....:( A few of us have the "kill them all, let God sort them out" attitude.

dnf777
11-07-2009, 11:47 AM
Evil exists ... both Christianity and Islam have been instruments of evil when left to fanatics.

Gerry,
If we had folks like you and Yardley on opposite sides of international issues, I'm certain we would achieve meaningful peace and dialogue, rather than lobbing missiles and gas bombs at each other!

Gerry Clinchy
11-07-2009, 11:55 AM
Add to that, politics.

GOOD POINT, Zeus!

Leddyman
11-07-2009, 12:03 PM
So your solution is what, capture all the Muslems, put them in box cars, ship them to a concentration camps and execute them in gas chambers?

Currently, there are about 2,300,000.000 (2.3 billion) Muslems in the world to about 300,000,000 (300 million) Americans in the world. That is almose 8 to 1 odds against us. How many do you think we may need to kill before all the Muslems of the world unite and get pissed off enough to kill us all?

No I think we should just pack up our wives and children and shoot them all in the head. Then we kill each other and we can have peace with the terrorists. That is about as close to your plan as you came to mine.

Roger Perry
11-07-2009, 12:39 PM
No I think we should just pack up our wives and children and shoot them all in the head. Then we kill each other and we can have peace with the terrorists. That is about as close to your plan as you came to mine.

From what I can tell of your plan is to kill enough Islams/Muslems to make them quit. How many would we need to kill? 1 billion? 1.5 Billion? or all because they will not stop?

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Originally Posted by Leddyman http://www.retrievertraining.net/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.retrievertraining.net/forums/showthread.php?p=521697#post521697)
Nobody said we didn't want peace. Bush couldn't say who the real enemy was because there are too many of your ilk in places of power. Dewey got that one right didn't he.

I want peace as much as anybody. I wish every body could come home. The reality is if we came home right now Muslims would follow with bombs. The choice is Their shores or ours. We are not at war with any country or geographic area. We are at war with an ideology. That ideology has a name. The name is Islam. We kill as many of them as it takes until they agree to stop. Then we quit.

Your words, not mine.

Uncle Bill
11-07-2009, 02:09 PM
Here's one I admit to 'hearing about'!


UB



YouTube - Obama Admits He Is A Muslim
http://tinyurl.com/yfer4zl (http://tinyurl.com/yfer4zl)

Roger Perry
11-07-2009, 07:14 PM
Here's one I admit to 'hearing about'!


UB



YouTube - Obama Admits He Is A Muslim
http://tinyurl.com/yfer4zl (http://tinyurl.com/yfer4zl)



If Obama was in a Christian church for 20 years, how could he be of Muslim faith?

Pete
11-08-2009, 11:44 AM
If Obama was in a Christian church for 20 years, how could he be of Muslim faith?__________________


The label might be christian ,,but the contents well ,,I dont know what that smell is.

Pete

dnf777
11-08-2009, 01:36 PM
Most people would be very surprised to learn how similar Christianity and Islam are, according to their respective Tomes. The Koran and the Old Testament overlap in many areas, to the point that Muslims also revere Jesus Christ as an important prophet, just not the son of God, which interestingly, many Christians did not either until many centuries after his death, by the vote of a Papal council.

When I was in Riyadh, I asked our Saudi cultural liason officer why they were so opposed to Christ, to the point we could not display Christmas decorations during that time of year. He told me it had nothing to do with Christ, but rather the materialistic and commercial influence Americans have allowed to dominate the holidays. That is when he pointed out the respect Muslims have for Christ, and their belief in his prophecy. That one threw me for a loop.

Pete
11-08-2009, 10:27 PM
Most people would be very surprised to learn how similar Christianity and Islam are, according to their respective Tomes. The Koran and the Old Testament overlap in many areas, to the point that Muslims also revere Jesus Christ as an important prophet, just not the son of God, which interestingly, many Christians did not either until many centuries after his death, by the vote of a Papal council

Dave
thats crazy
The first century church new beyond a shadow of any doubt that JC was the son of God. This carried on through the first century until the game of telephone was invented not many decades after.
Jewdeans and christians have alot in common,also.. They both believe in the son of God only the Judeans are still waiting for him to come for the first time.

Pete

YardleyLabs
11-09-2009, 06:51 AM
Dave
thats crazy
The first century church new beyond a shadow of any doubt that JC was the son of God. This carried on through the first century until the game of telephone was invented not many decades after.
Jewdeans and christians have alot in common,also.. They both believe in the son of God only the Judeans are still waiting for him to come for the first time.

Pete
Pete,

While the "unitarians" -- those believing that Jesus was a great prophet with a special relation to God, but not himself more than a man -- lost the vote at the Council of Nicaea, they were still a non-tirivial part of the Christian community. The majority decided to declare their beliefs to be heresy and proceeded to hound them into virtual extinction. However, this view enjoyed a revival during the 16th and 17th centuries and became a major part of the religious landscape that shaped our own revolution in the 18th century.