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Juli H
11-14-2009, 12:30 AM
And I'm not talking about selling them illegally...

I had no idea there were some cases where people could buy non food items, or even get CASH back when using their foodstamp card...

Last night had a guy come in and buy several items with is F/S card. Then he put down a snickers bar and bought that with the F/S card (different transaction). He wanted cash back but forgot to push the cash back button on the CC machine. So he bought another candy bar and this time got $10 cash back, the receipt that the store kept said 'cash benefits'....:confused: wonder if he went to the licquor store to buy his beer with that $10....:rolleyes:

Oh, and I had another guy come in and ask if he could buy dog food with his F/S card, I said no.....Then he said, all right, guess I'll have to buy hamburger again. Been out of dog food for 2 days and have to cook my dog's meals with burger.... :rolleyes:

sad, but true....


the sad part is that the store has a Christmas tree with 'turkey' tags...Take a tag off the tree, buy a turkey and donate it to the food bank..Since I have been working at the store and seen the misuse of F/S, I have a really hard time with the Turkey tree (and our local food bank)....However, I did suck it up and buy a turkey to donate...I don't want a few (or a lot of) bad apples to keep someone who really needs the help to have a good thanksgiving dinner....

Juli

dnf777
11-14-2009, 07:22 AM
Good for you Juli. There has not been a program invented in the course of human history that has not been abused by those who have no sense of right or wrong, but thats not to say the program doesn't help many who need and appreciate it. It breaks my heart to think that there are kids who wake up on Christmas day with no presents, no Christmas dinners, and most likely, no fathers. Sad part is, without any role models or guidance, they are likely to grow up just like their parents, and perpetuate the cycle.

Bob Gutermuth
11-14-2009, 07:52 AM
Around here, the nere do wells who have what is known as an Independence Card(food stamp replacement) use it regularly to buy crack. They simply give it to the pusher to take to an ATM and remove the price of rock from the buyers account. What a crock.

Roger Perry
11-14-2009, 09:36 AM
Talking about charities, A local radio station has a charity drive all year long with events like bowling tournaments, golf tournaments, dog washings and raffle and auction items to raise money to buy Christmas gifts for the less fortunate local kids. All the money earned or donated, goes to buy gifts and not into someone's pocket. The name of the charity is the "Love Doctors Charity". People donate unwrapped toys, give cash and even donate their time to attend wrapping parties to wrap toys for all the little boys and girls who otherwise would not have much of a Christmas. There are also volunteers to deliver the toys to each needy household.

If you want to buy some raffle tickets ( a lot of nice prizes can be had) while helping out local underpriveledged children please go to www.lovedoctors.org (http://www.lovedoctors.org) and purchase some tickets.

luvmylabs23139
11-15-2009, 07:49 PM
And I'm not talking about selling them illegally...

I had no idea there were some cases where people could buy non food items, or even get CASH back when using their foodstamp card...



Juli


LInk cards cover both food stamp benefits and if applicable welfare cash payments.

Marvin S
11-16-2009, 11:48 AM
It breaks my heart to think that there are kids who wake up on Christmas day with no presents, no Christmas dinners, and most likely, no fathers. Sad part is, without any role models or guidance, they are likely to grow up just like their parents, and perpetuate the cycle.

You're sure about that? 1st - Xmas is a commercial holiday, 2nd - a lot of children rise above being like their parents. It has a lot to do with the expectations of society & how the world is presented to them. Some even rise above the expectations of society.

I suggest you read "Black Redneck - White Liberal" by Thomas Sowell so you attain a little recognition that it's people with attitudes like yours that are a greater deterrent to children achieving their status in life than any perceived lack of parental guidance.

Been there - done that, so I speak from experience.

dnf777
11-16-2009, 12:49 PM
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I suggest you read "Black Redneck - White Liberal" by Thomas Sowell so you attain a little recognition that it's people with attitudes like yours that are a greater deterrent to children achieving their status in life than any perceived lack of parental guidance.

Been there - done that, so I speak from experience.

I won't brag on my kids, but they're all doing just fine. I'm not sure I understand your attack on my attitude?? Are you saying all charities should be dissolved, as they are all deterrents to children achieving their status in life? Lets start with the United Way. Then rid ourselves of all those liberal Shriner's hospitals. Am I getting your message correctly?

The more I read on this forum, the more I worry about the future of this country. It's either Obama or THIS? God help us! What a choice!

BrianW
11-16-2009, 02:12 PM
I'm not sure I understand your attack on my attitude?? Are you saying all charities should be dissolved, as they are all deterrents to children achieving their status in life? Lets start with the United Way. Then rid ourselves of all those liberal Shriner's hospitals. Am I getting your message correctly?

The more I read on this forum, the more I worry about the future of this country. It's either Obama or THIS? God help us! What a choice!

I didn't see a single word about dissolving charities in Marvin's post. Based on Dr Sowell's other writings, it is more likely about the government's assumption of the "parent role" and his assertions that " the government employees who administered the [programs] cared not that they may be causing higher unemployment of the poor by enforcing that law; their primary concern was keeping their own jobs secure "

Charities though, are about goodwill & "choice", You can choose which one to give to support with your funds or efforts. The majority of charities try to build people up so they no longer need the assistance.
Government, oth, is about force & takes your money and distributes it as IT sees fit, because it assumes it knows better than you where Your money should be spent and has been "anointed" to administer to the downtrodden . You, then, have less time to spend with your family or charitable efforts because you have to work more to replace what has been forcibly taken from you OR become more reliant upon a government program which perpetuates the vicious cycle.

The vision of the anointed relies heavily on sweepingly pessimistic assumptions about human nature, distrust of decentralized processes like the free market, impatience with systemic processes that constrain human action, and absent or distorted empirical evidence. It's constrained or tragic vision relies heavily on a reduced view of the goodness of human nature, and abhors the systematic processes of the rule of law and constitutional government.

Which do you feel sets a better positive parental guidance role model in order to break the cycle?

Leddyman
11-16-2009, 02:29 PM
I have had young couples with a baby on the way tell me that they CAN"T get married because the mother would loose her WIC benefits if she married the father of the baby. So they just lived together, and eventually the father left. The system is tantamount to saying, you don't need a father for your children, Uncle Sugar will be the daddy and you just jump through our hoops and let us raise your children. (That is exactly what is going on among the poor here)
When government programs put barriers in the way of people who want to get married and raise their children then there is a very big problem.

It is a trade. Money and you won't have to work for complete control over your life.

No free lunch, not even on welfare

Juli H
11-16-2009, 03:06 PM
I have had young couples with a baby on the way tell me that they CAN"T get married because the mother would loose her WIC benefits if she married the father of the baby. So they just lived together, and eventually the father left. The system is tantamount to saying, you don't need a father for your children, Uncle Sugar will be the daddy and you just jump through our hoops and let us raise your children. (That is exactly what is going on among the poor here)
When government programs put barriers in the way of people who want to get married and raise their children then there is a very big problem.

It is a trade. Money and you won't have to work for complete control over your life.

No free lunch, not even on welfare

same can be said for any welfare program (F/S)...getting married usually means a loss of at least some benefits....

dnf777
11-16-2009, 05:07 PM
You're sure about that? 1st - Xmas is a commercial holiday, 2nd - a lot of children rise above being like their parents. It has a lot to do with the expectations of society & how the world is presented to them. Some even rise above the expectations of society.

I suggest you read "Black Redneck - White Liberal" by Thomas Sowell so you attain a little recognition that it's people with attitudes like yours that are a greater deterrent to children achieving their status in life than any perceived lack of parental guidance.

Been there - done that, so I speak from experience.

I went back and re-read my post, and think one of us (or both) misunderstood. I was referring to the lack of PARENTAL guidance, perpetuating the cycle of gov't dependence. I did not mean to imply that the gov't should be a surrogate parent. Although having said that, I have seen kids from "disadvantaged" home situations excel in school programs that seemed to give them some direction and purpose, and just maybe, kept them out of trouble. We all have known teachers who are worth their weight in gold when it comes to motivating their students. Too bad they all can't be that way. But there is no substitute for caring, engaged parents.

Marvin S
11-16-2009, 11:25 PM
I was referring to the lack of PARENTAL guidance,

& I was referrring to those who go around handing out sympathy instead of telling children the real situation. I knew who my parents were & they lived as a shining example of what not to be. Fortunately I had no one I respected give me the garbage that the world owed me something because of the circumstances.


We all have known teachers who are worth their weight in gold when it comes to motivating their students.

1 in the elementary grades, 1 in high school & many, but not all, in engineering school. Though many were examples of what you did not want to be in life.

dnf777
11-17-2009, 08:21 AM
[QUOTE=Marvin S;525447]& I was referrring to those who go around handing out sympathy instead of telling children the real situation.

So how do you feel about the Shriner's hospitals and U.S. Marine Corps Toys for Tots program that hands out toys at Christmas to kids who wouldn't otherwise have any? Just curious.

Marvin S
11-17-2009, 01:33 PM
[quote=Marvin S;525447]& I was referrring to those who go around handing out sympathy instead of telling children the real situation.

So how do you feel about the Shriner's hospitals and U.S. Marine Corps Toys for Tots program that hands out toys at Christmas to kids who wouldn't otherwise have any? Just curious.

Shriners are fine - I find these "T4T" programs to be offensive as they teach something that is not in childrens best interests. Disappointment can be a great motivator at any age. JMO

There is no thrill as great as accomplishing something & knowing you did it all by yourself. Again JMO

ducknwork
11-17-2009, 02:33 PM
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Shriners are fine - I find these "T4T" programs to be offensive as they teach something that is not in childrens best interests. Disappointment can be a great motivator at any age. JMO

There is no thrill as great as accomplishing something & knowing you did it all by yourself. Again JMO

I do not agree with the first statement, but I totally agree with the second. As far as teaching something or not, why does everything have to be a lesson? Sometimes, it's just good for kids to be kids and be able to enjoy themselves for one morning without having to feel the pain and sadness of poverty and/or parents that don't give a sh*t about them.

Disappointment is one thing, but hopes and dreams being crushed is a totally different story.

That's wonderful that you made it out of your situation, but there are many, many children who don't. They deserve a chance to excel and be happy, even if it is someone other than their sorry parents giving them hand up (not a handout).

dnf777
11-17-2009, 04:10 PM
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I do not agree with the first statement, but I totally agree with the second. As far as teaching something or not, why does everything have to be a lesson? Sometimes, it's just good for kids to be kids and be able to enjoy themselves for one morning without having to feel the pain and sadness of poverty and/or parents that don't give a sh*t about them.

Disappointment is one thing, but hopes and dreams being crushed is a totally different story.

That's wonderful that you made it out of your situation, but there are many, many children who don't. They deserve a chance to excel and be happy, even if it is someone other than their sorry parents giving them hand up (not a handout).

Thanks for restoring my faith in my fellow man! I'm not sure how the pasted quotes got ascribed to me, but I assure you that was not me playing the role of Ebenezer and the Grinch all in one! When I was in scouts, we helped the Marines hand out toys, and even at my young age then, I knew that was something very, very good. Your absolutely right, not EVERYTHING has to be a lesson in life. Maybe we should be handing out copies of Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged" to three year olds??? :confused:

ducknwork
11-18-2009, 08:29 AM
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Thanks for restoring my faith in my fellow man! I'm not sure how the pasted quotes got ascribed to me, but I assure you that was not me playing the role of Ebenezer and the Grinch all in one! When I was in scouts, we helped the Marines hand out toys, and even at my young age then, I knew that was something very, very good. Your absolutely right, not EVERYTHING has to be a lesson in life. Maybe we should be handing out copies of Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged" to three year olds??? :confused:

Yep, not sure how that quote got Marvin's name either??

Dang, we are on the same side on something. I knew you weren't all bad... ;-)