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Marvin S
11-30-2009, 11:46 AM
This is as reported by what is called the MSM in our part of the country-

4 Pierce County Deputies contracted by Lakewood, WA to serve on their police force were killed prior to their shift while having coffee at a Spanaway?, WA coffee shop.

The lone gunman was very thorough in that no bystanders were injured.

The coffee shop owner stated the officers were regulars.

The claim is - they were filling out paperwork on their laptops prior to the start of shift.

A very large law enforcement contingent was committed to seeking the perpetrator, who they believe they have ID'd. The suspect is cornered in a house in Seattle & may be deceased.

Why is this on POTUS Place? The "Huckster" pardoned him while Gov of Arkansas. The "Huckster's" Willie Horton moment. The "Huckster" is now blaming the systems in AR & WA.

My sympathies to the families of these officers & though they will be well compensated for this tragedy, nothing can replace a loved one. :(

Bob Gutermuth
11-30-2009, 11:50 AM
The Huckster will not get my vote for POTUS since he is so soft on criminals as to commute this cop killing scumbag's sentence

Marvin S
11-30-2009, 04:07 PM
& now an update - after surrouding & laying siege to the suspect's home for several hours, they entered only to find no one there. They now suspect he may be wandering around the University distict of Seattle. Those wearing cop's uniform are realistically a little nervous until this guy is under control!

Hew
11-30-2009, 04:39 PM
I know police officers are the most second-guessed professionals out there and have to live within damned-if-you-do-damned-if-you-don't rules and laws. But.......

WTF? How do you assume for HOURS (it was dark when they surrounded the house, so at least 8 hours) that an armed and dangerous pscyho who has shown that he's willing to kill anyone/everyone, is holed up in a house and the whole time he's roaming around the town or on the run. I'm sorry, but hindsight or not, that's an awfully dangerous assumption. I've got to bet there were plenty of the fallen officer's colleagues who would have gladly went into that house before the hours of "negotiating" by bullhorn with a ghost.

dnf777
11-30-2009, 04:58 PM
I know police officers are the most second-guessed professionals out there and have to live within damned-if-you-do-damned-if-you-don't rules and laws. But.......

WTF? How do you assume for HOURS (it was dark when they surrounded the house, so at least 8 hours) that an armed and dangerous pscyho who has shown that he's willing to kill anyone/everyone, is holed up in a house and the whole time he's roaming around the town or on the run. I'm sorry, but hindsight or not, that's an awfully dangerous assumption. I've got to bet there were plenty of the fallen officer's colleagues who would have gladly went into that house before the hours of "negotiating" by bullhorn with a ghost.


That's good for even you! First you offer some credit to police for always being second guessed in a tough profession.....THEN YOU SECOND GUESS THE CRAP OUT OF THEM! I may be wrong, but I'll trust the know-how and strategy of the police in the trenches over your gunz-a-blazin' approach any day. Given that scum-bag's actions already, do you think they may have been concerned about a trap to kill more officers, and planned a careful approach? I don't know, I'm sure I'm wrong and you're right.

Uncle Bill
11-30-2009, 05:06 PM
I don't know, I'm sure I'm wrong and you're right.



Keep that thought...it's as good as it gets for a mugwump such as yourself.

UB

Hew
11-30-2009, 05:19 PM
Given that scum-bag's actions already, do you think they may have been concerned about a trap to kill more officers, and planned a careful approach? Exactly, because everything we know about the POS (and knew hours ago) tells us that he's one cool, calculating criminal mastermind. You know, those clinically insane folks are often the most cunning. :rolleyes:

Similar mistakes were made (and admitted) by the police at Columbine...an over-cautiousness that led to officers standing around the perimeter of the school waiting for direction and SWAT instead of intervening as more people were being shot...not because they were cowards but because that's what they were trained to do. Columbine caused a major shift in thinking among PDs. The change in thinking was evidenced at Ft. Hood where the police arrived and actively intervened in the bloodbath. I don't know, I'm sure I'm wrong and you're right. Now you're getting it.

...............

BonMallari
12-01-2009, 07:08 AM
Good job by the police to finish the job and deliver justice...condolences to the officers families that lost a loved one to this scumbag...

Roger Perry
12-01-2009, 07:32 AM
The Huckster will not get my vote for POTUS since he is so soft on criminals as to commute this cop killing scumbag's sentence

You mean he will not get your vote unless he is the republican choice to run against Obama.

Marvin S
12-01-2009, 09:28 AM
You mean he will not get your vote unless he is the republican choice to run against Obama.

This thread is now complete ;), Roger has added his delusional :2c: worth of #%^%$#%^&&*^^$%&&.

National news is now covering it mostly - except the cops here in WA are a little peeved at the Huckster for his unwarranted criticism. They are now rounding up the people who helped the cop killer & will be charging them. If these people are smart they will hire very good counsel or they will never see the light of day again.

Bob Gutermuth
12-01-2009, 10:41 AM
Now the cop killing scumbag has been rehabilitated. He won't harm any more officers.

Julie R.
12-04-2009, 12:11 PM
Now that this cop killer has been taken care of, the slaughter of the four police has faded from the headlines other than occasional tsk tsk fingers being pointed at Huckabee for releasing Clemmons from his cage where he belonged.

But, let's imagine for a moment that the shooter was white and that all four of the cops that were murdered were black. It would still be headline news. In fact, where are Sharpton and Jackson screaming outrage? Would this story have faded so quickly? This killing was clearly a hate crime.

Update 12/2: the Seattle Times reports that Clemmons told others he was going to kill police:

Clemmons asked Hinton, described as his half-brother, for keys to his white pickup, and told the men they should keep their eyes on the TV because he planned to kill police, according to charging documents and Troyer.
If this is correct, then Clemmons' rampage was clearly pre-meditated. He also did not act alone. According to the Times, witnesses saw Clemmons jump into a white pickup truck after the shooting, that sped away, driven by another man. Many other friends and family helped him move from place to place to evade capture. It would be interesting to find out what the Black Foot Soldiers Network knows about this and how they heard about what he had said before going on the killing spree.

Maurice Clemmons, the alleged shooter in the Sunday murder of four Lakewood, Washington police officers, was killed early this morning by a Seattle police officer.

The blogsite Fire Andrea Mitchell reported that a radical black Muslim group called the National Black Foot Soldiers held a protest today outside the Parkland, Washington coffee shop where the murders occurred. The protesters allegedly gathered to celebrate Clemmons as a "Crowned BOW (Black on White) Martyr," calling his attack a "preemptive strike on terrorists..."

The substance of this story was originally announced by a blog called the Last Crusade, which has also claimed that Clemmons converted to Islam while imprisoned in Arkansas. Gateway Pundit picked up the story as well, noting however, that Last Crusade's claim of Clemmons' conversion is unsubstantiated.

A black militant site called "Black Male Felon" seemingly described the protest:

The rally came after a reported emergency meeting held by the [Black Foot Soldiers] movement to to map out plans for a street penitentiary protest and street party that will be held to disrespect tributes, memorials and funerals whites are expected to have for the terrorists.
Whatever the Black Foot Soldiers may be planning, there actually was no "rally." Spokesmen for both the Lakewood and Tacoma, Washington police departments said they had not heard of anything like that going on. The Pierce County Sheriff's office, which is handling the coffee shop shooting investigation, stated unequivocally that there was no such protest.

The truth is actually worse. The Black Foot Soldiers were not protesting, except perhaps online, but they were referring to Clemmons' attack as a protest:

Seattle Black Foot Soldiers say the four people slain in a daring demonstration at the Steele Street Forza Coffee House in Parkland were racist terrorists who caused black citizens to live in fear. (Emphasis added.)

What these groups say is that any killing of whites, including in this case Clemmons' cold-blooded murder of officers Renninger, Owens, Griswald, and Richards, is "a legitimate protest". Black Male Felon celebrates the killings as "Brother Maurice Clemmons' daring stand against white police terrorism." The theme of National Black Foot Soldiers is captured in the slogan: "When whites pay reparations there will be no more black on white crime."

The vitriolic hatred on these sites is enough to turn a person's stomach. The bit of writing contained on these sites is essentially a collage of run-on sentences spewing foul language interspersed liberally with admonitions to kill whitey. They blatantly advocate murder and defend other recent cases of seemingly senseless black on white killings, like the four Oakland police officers killed by Lovelle Mixon, and many, many others.

Many who voted for Barack Obama believed his election would finally put an end to this kind of racist hatred. Indeed, he promised to work toward that end. If anything however, his election seems to have emboldened it. Jeremiah Wright should have been a warning.

It is pointless to argue with the kind of lunatic delusion that motivates these people. They are beyond reaching. It recalls the video of "Professor" Kamau Kambon advocating the extermination of white people. The Black Male Felon site defines the terms BOW (black on white) BOB (black on black) WOB (white on black) and WOW (white on white), while the National Black Foot Soldiers objects to black on black killing, but not killing per se, reminding its readers "THERE IS 1 ENEMY. LET US HAVE 1 MIND. [sic]"

It is not known at present whether or not Clemmons was associated with any of these groups, but one post ascribes a quote to Clemmons, in which he says: "Watch the news, I'm gonna kill a bunch of cops."

It is also likely he knew he would find police victims at that coffee shop. The Forza Coffee Company was founded by a retired police officer. And while the Steele Street franchise where the shootings occurred had no tie to him, it was apparently a place frequented by local police.

http://www.examiner.com/x-25466-DC-I...-Muslim-Martyr (http://www.examiner.com/x-25466-DC-I...-Muslim-Martyr)

http://nationalblackfootsoldiernetwork.wordpress.com/