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subroc
12-02-2009, 02:03 PM
Chris Matthews former speechwriter for President Carter called West Point, The Enemy Camp.

Do all liberals view West Point as The Enemy Camp?

Do you believe obama views West Point as The Enemy Camp?

Does the left actually think along the lines of the young men and woman of the United States of America training for military service at West Point as well as other military academies as the enemy?

road kill
12-02-2009, 02:09 PM
They have no clue the price paid for the elitism, er, I mean freedoms they take for granted!!

YardleyLabs
12-02-2009, 02:09 PM
As a liberal, I can wholeheartedly say that I have been to West Point many times. I have worked with and gone to school with many West Point graduates (including many being trained to return to the Academy as professors). I do not view West Point as the "enemy" in any way. The Academy is filled with young men and women who have committed themselves to be professional guardians of our freedoms. I applaud their commitment.

Buzz
12-02-2009, 02:55 PM
I took it to mean that West Point is not thought of as a place friendly to Democrats, but a place more friendly to the likes of G. W. Bush and Cheney. In fact I he referenced it as a place where the Bush Doctrine was announced, as-well-as some of Cheney's speeches there.

I imagine that tie RWM took that one and really ran with it.

FWIW, I think that Matthews is a dufus, to put it lightly.

subroc
12-02-2009, 03:09 PM
I took it to mean that West Point is not thought of as a place friendly to Democrats...


Why?

Why wouldn’t it be “friendly to democrats”?

What is the problem with democrats and the military academies?

Do you democrats dislike the military?

I don’t understand why you believe that it is a forgone conclusion that the military will not be “friendly to democrats?”

Do you as a democrat not respect the military?

road kill
12-02-2009, 03:13 PM
I took it to mean that West Point is not thought of as a place friendly to Democrats, but a place more friendly to the likes of G. W. Bush and Cheney. In fact I he referenced it as a place where the Bush Doctrine was announced, as-well-as some of Cheney's speeches there.

I imagine that tie RWM took that one and really ran with it.

FWIW, I think that Matthews is a dufus, to put it lightly.

That's called "SPIN" Buzz, nice effort.
We are adults and can comprehend what we heard.
It is very clear what that KLOWN meant.

Can I get a witness?

Or did we need Buzz to "SPIN" it for us??:D


stan b

BonMallari
12-02-2009, 03:18 PM
Chris Mathews is an idiot and if this administration has any nutz at all they will distance themselves from such an idiotic statement..its comments like Mathews that fuel the wedge that divides this country..the military has always been A - political, kind of a neutral ground there to serve the country and the POTUS regardless of political beliefs...West Point,Annapolis, VMI, Texas A&M are not the enemy camp, they house and educate the future military leaders that keep us safe and afford us the freedoms that we enjoy..

Beside the BHO admin chose the site not vice versa

Raymond Little
12-02-2009, 03:26 PM
Yep Bon, Obamo needed another photo-op to show his peeps just how strong he is on the national defence.:rolleyes:
I am sure he has the same feelings that the "Cigar Smoker" has; as in "Lothing the Military".

Buzz
12-02-2009, 03:33 PM
Why?

Why wouldn’t it be “friendly to democrats”?



This is just Matthews' perception. It doesn't make it true. But I don't imagine he's the only one that thinks it... "Some people say" that Republicans are friends of the military while Democrats are not.

All I can say is I know of plenty of Democrats, some from my own family who have served, voluntarily. When they guys from the VFW came to honor my brother at his funeral, they didn't ask for his party registration first. So it burns my a$$ that this is the conventional wisdom.

road kill
12-02-2009, 03:45 PM
This is just Matthews' perception. It doesn't make it true. But I don't imagine he's the only one that thinks it... "Some people say" that Republicans are friends of the military while Democrats are not.

All I can say is I know of plenty of Democrats, some from my own family who have served, voluntarily. When they guys from the VFW came to honor my brother at his funeral, they didn't ask for his party registration first. So it burns my a$$ that this is the conventional wisdom.

It ought to.
Much more should as well.

Maybe it's because the Clintons, Pelosi's, "Call me Senator" Boxer, Ayers, Emanuel and so many others have professed their disdain for the Military!!

Maybe the far left are in enemy terrotory when in the presence of our nations defenders!

It is possible that the "State Run Media" picks that up from the people they rub elbows with.
So they parrot the feelings.

Or maybe we are just imagining things!!??!!??

Never the less, Matthews said what he said and at the very least it was a Freudian slip!!

stan b

Franco
12-02-2009, 03:58 PM
Very few politicians are true friends of the military and that includes both sides of the isle.

The perception comes from Bleeding Heart and Weak Spinned Liberals who are always Democrat. These individuals see the path to peace through appeasement whereas most true Republicans would rather kick thier enemies in the head and gain peace through deterence.

Pease through strength for this Independent!

dnf777
12-02-2009, 04:58 PM
They have no clue the price paid for the elitism, er, I mean freedoms they take for granted!!

Except for the ones who died, or lost fathers, brothers, and sons who have made sacrafices for their country. Last time I checked, the recruiting stations did not turn away or even ask if someone is republican, democrat, liberal or conservative.

zeus3925
12-02-2009, 05:02 PM
Because one talking head shoots off his mouth doesn't mean everyone who thinks differently than you do is guilty of the same offense. NO WONDER THE COUNTRY IS IN SUCH A ROTTEN MESS.

road kill
12-02-2009, 05:07 PM
Because one talking head shoots off his mouth doesn't mean everyone who thinks differently than you do is guilty of the same offense. NO WONDER THE COUNTRY IS IN SUCH A ROTTEN MESS.

Really, should I dig up your criticism of talking heads that think differently from you?
(OK, my bad, I can't find any from you, but plenty bashing Limbaugh, beck and Hannity from the leftys on this site, MY APOLOGIES!)

Matthews said what he said.
And the fact that people think like that is why the country is in such a rotten mess.

Matthews comment speaks volumes.

I like the dance though.......

road kill
12-02-2009, 05:13 PM
Except for the ones who died, or lost fathers, brothers, and sons who have made sacrafices for their country. Last time I checked, the recruiting stations did not turn away or even ask if someone is republican, democrat, liberal or conservative.

I am talking about Matthews and his like, I am certain Matthews has no clue what we are talking about.
If he had served, or was close to someone who had, he would not couch West Point as the enemy!!

subroc
12-02-2009, 05:45 PM
This one "talking head" was a speechwriter for a president.

Is he representative of mainstream left wing thought? Is the "enemy" comment mainstream left wing thought? Is there some truth in that? Is the "big tent" that constitutes the democrat party populated by a majority of those that have disdain for the military and their academies or is it really a small segment of the party and Matthews a speechwriter for a president is in the minority?

Matt McKenzie
12-02-2009, 06:55 PM
Although I don't think much of Chris Matthews and I certainly don't like the terminology, I think he was simply stating the truth which is that most of us that are career military are politically conservative and that most politicians on the left are probably uncomfortable in the presence of lots of career military folks.
Just as Michael Steele might feel like he was surrounded by the enemy if he were to attend an NAACP convention. Obviously not because they are black but because he would be aware that almost nobody else in attendence would share his political views.

zeus3925
12-02-2009, 06:59 PM
This one "talking head" was a speechwriter for a president.

Is he representative of mainstream left wing thought? Is the "enemy" comment mainstream left wing thought? Is there some truth in that? Is the "big tent" that constitutes the democrat party populated by a majority of those that have disdain for the military and their academies or is it really a small segment of the party and Matthews a speechwriter for a president is in the minority?

Mathews a mouthpiece for the mainstream left wing thought? I hardly think so. As a democrat, the democrats I know don't see the military as the enemy. I think the anti- military bunch are a small minority. Presidential speechwriters tend to be over vocal folks that shoot off their mouths -- Pat Buchanan for instance.

Steve Amrein
12-03-2009, 09:05 AM
I am surprised he made an apology. He almost sounded as sincere as when he made the comment. He should of just said I am sorry I said it out load.

The problem is the fringe is speaking for either side. The politico's dont have the backbone to stand up to these idiots.

Bob Gutermuth
12-03-2009, 09:38 AM
Considering that PMSNBC and its affiliates are in Osama's pocket, I think we can take matthews comments as the gospel of the left. He would never have said this without the imprimatur of osama or his flunkies.

zeus3925
12-03-2009, 05:07 PM
Considering that PMSNBC and its affiliates are in Osama's pocket, I think we can take matthews comments as the gospel of the left. He would never have said this without the imprimatur of osama or his flunkies.

Give me a break, Bob. Not every bonehead remark is a product of a conspiracy. Stupidity does not need or respect imprimaturs.

subroc
12-04-2009, 05:51 AM
...I think the anti- military bunch are a small minority...

So you do believe there is an anti-military bunch in the democrat party? It appears that Matthews believes the obama is part of it.

dnf777
12-04-2009, 06:03 AM
So you do believe there is an anti-military bunch in the democrat party? It appears that Matthews believes the obama is part of it.

Both parties have fringe nut-jobs, that get media attention.

subroc
12-04-2009, 06:13 AM
Both parties have fringe nut-jobs, that get media attention.

But Dave...The President?

BonMallari
12-04-2009, 06:19 AM
So you do believe there is an anti-military bunch in the democrat party? It appears that Matthews believes the obama is part of it.


Both parties have fringe nut-jobs, that get media attention.

absolutely the pacifist doves on the left and the hawks on the right that like nothing better than to get in one war to another

and dnf777 you are correct the fringe element on both sides seem to garner the most attention....prime examples are Cindy Sheehan,Martin Sheen,Sean Penn on the left and militia groups, internet wannabee badazzzes on the right:razz:

dnf777
12-04-2009, 06:47 AM
But Dave...The President?

Normally, I would disagree with you, but I'm not too happy with Mr. Obama right now. I may start referring to him as Bush III. (no offense meant to Mr. Bush I!)

subroc
12-04-2009, 07:05 AM
Normally, I would disagree with you, but I'm not too happy with Mr. Obama right now. I may start referring to him as Bush III. (no offense meant to Mr. Bush I!)

No need to bring President George W. Bush into anything. I believe, in the end, obama will stand alone with his own mess.

zeus3925
12-04-2009, 07:13 AM
No need to bring President George W. Bush into anything. I believe, in the end, obama will stand alone with his own mess.

Still prickly over Dubya I see. Those that ignore history ......

subroc
12-04-2009, 09:00 AM
Still prickly over Dubya I see. Those that ignore history ......


Not really.

If there is a need to throw President George W. Bush under the bus, to the wolves or fire a rhetorical shot, have at it.

If you still need to fire the gratuitous shot though, it tells more about you than him anyway.

My point is, at some point obama has to be responsible for his own mess.

Buzz
12-04-2009, 01:45 PM
But Dave...The President?


Matthews is extending Obama's opposition to the Iraq war, to opposition to the military. Matthews is an idiot, you can't make that extrapolation. There is no "liberal" pundit that I despise nearly to the extent that I despise Matthews. The fact that he wrote for Carter should disqualify him completely. He's always trying to appeal to both sides of the divide, and he does a terrible job of it.

dnf777
12-04-2009, 01:47 PM
Not really.

If there is a need to throw President George W. Bush under the bus, to the wolves or fire a rhetorical shot, have at it.

If you still need to fire the gratuitous shot though, it tells more about you than him anyway.

My point is, at some point obama has to be responsible for his own mess.


And all my point was, in bringing him up, was that Obama (current president) is merely continuing his failed policies, with a few exceptions.