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code3retrievers
12-07-2009, 06:53 PM
Only the left would do such a thing.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/07/liberal-group-offers-reward-information-chamber-boss/

Just like Larry Flint's offer from earlier time.

I would like to see you find a similar idea from the right.

I will say it again. What the left disagrees with, the left will attempt to destroy.

Disgusting!

dnf777
12-07-2009, 06:55 PM
I seem to remember conservatives having their panties in a bunch over the Chamber of Commerce, calling it the largest trade union in the world, and calling for its dissolution. Funny how times change!

code3retrievers
12-07-2009, 07:10 PM
I seem to remember conservatives having their panties in a bunch over the Chamber of Commerce, calling it the largest trade union in the world, and calling for its dissolution. Funny how times change!

That's a bit different than putting a bounty on a person. Nothing has changed.
I would expect even you to have a problem with this concept.

dnf777
12-07-2009, 07:20 PM
That's a bit different than putting a bounty on a person. Nothing has changed.
I would expect even you to have a problem with this concept.

I do have a problem with it. I was just pointing out yet more hypocrisy.

Both sides have had their political hacks trolling for skeletons of their opponents, often with financial incentives. On one hand, this is an example of free press, and informatics being used to gather useful information....on the other, it can represent abuse of such tools. How it is viewed, likely depends on who's ox is getting gored.

Henry V
12-07-2009, 08:00 PM
Only the left would do such a thing.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/07/liberal-group-offers-reward-information-chamber-boss/

Just like Larry Flint's offer from earlier time.

I would like to see you find a similar idea from the right.

I will say it again. What the left disagrees with, the left will attempt to destroy.

Disgusting!
Kind of reminds me of Exxon Mobile offering scientists $10K+ each to undermine the best climate science.

My guess is that the head of the chamber is probably more worried about the fact that Nike, Apple, Excelon, PNM Resources, PG & E and other companies are leaving because of the chambers stance on climate change policies.

You can say it again and again but the exact same thing could be said of the right. Hannity, O'Reily, Beck, and Limbaugh have been very successful demonizing many individuals, groups, and public policies (Acorn, scientists, socialism anyone, health care policy) all to destroy something that they do not agree with. Shall I post some of the many transcripts and we compare the record? How about you just take a look at the title of the topics on this discussion forum. Could you maybe find some posts that suggest those on the right are out to destroy individuals, groups, or policies? Maybe I should make a list of my favorites.

code3retrievers
12-07-2009, 08:47 PM
OK let me say it slowly. The article talks about offering a bounty for info that leads to his arrest and I will ask this again where has the right ever used this tactic?

Personal attacks on ones character flaws or views are one thing but fishing for info by offering a reward is another or can't you see there is a difference?

You want to attack Rush for his drug addiction, have at it. You want to attack politicians for affairs feel free, but go after the head of the chamber of commerce because you disagree on his climate views, then your an idiot that has no moral compass and your probably a democrat.

This is why the left disgusts me but I tolerate them.

JDogger
12-07-2009, 09:05 PM
This is why the left disgusts me but I tolerate them.

My mother, a life long republican, finds herself disgusted as well... but she allows herself to tolerate them regardless, but then she is my mother. I forgive her. N' you too, c3r. :p

Yer not my Mom regards,

JD

dnf777
12-07-2009, 09:14 PM
Did you just call me an idiot?
Did anyone mentioned Rush or anyone else?
I have no moral compass? By who's standards....yours?

I'm sorry the left disgusts you so much. Maybe since today commerates a day that was monumental in our history, and happened to be dealt with by a democrat, and won 4 years later by another, you should go live somewhere else, where you can be proud. Not that I want anyone to leave, but I just hate to see someone so disgusted by 60% of their fellow citizens. I've befriended many fellow independents, and have learned to accept the left and right, even if one of those groups is hell bent on calling me names and trying to exclude everyone but themselves from the American way of life.

dback
12-07-2009, 09:22 PM
My mother, a life long republican

Too bad...had she been a Dem, I'm sure there are several here that would have loved to have assisted in a partial birth abortion. I'm sure a 1cc syringe would have been ample.

:-) :-) com'on now JD...even you gotta admit that one was kinda cute

JDogger
12-07-2009, 09:48 PM
Too bad...had she been a Dem, I'm sure there are several here that would have loved to have assisted in a partial birth abortion. I'm sure a 1cc syringe would have been ample.

:-) :-) com'on now JD...even you gotta admit that one was kinda cute

Well, just kinda. Don't hold back though now, dback. Tell me what you really think. C'mon now boy. You can do it. Let loose. My mom can handle it.

Thicker skin regards,

JD

dback
12-07-2009, 10:06 PM
Well, just kinda. Don't hold back though now, dback. Tell me what you really think. C'mon now boy. You can do it. Let loose. My mom can handle it.

Thicker skin regards,

JD

Nope...gotta pace myself. Excessive giggling causes me to strain rib cage muscles or requires an extra change of 'depends' before bedtime. :-)

code3retrievers
12-08-2009, 06:59 AM
Did you just call me an idiot?
Did anyone mentioned Rush or anyone else?
I have no moral compass? By who's standards....yours?

I'm sorry the left disgusts you so much. Maybe since today commerates a day that was monumental in our history, and happened to be dealt with by a democrat, and won 4 years later by another, you should go live somewhere else, where you can be proud. Not that I want anyone to leave, but I just hate to see someone so disgusted by 60% of their fellow citizens. I've befriended many fellow independents, and have learned to accept the left and right, even if one of those groups is hell bent on calling me names and trying to exclude everyone but themselves from the American way of life.


I was speaking to the entire left wing but if the shoe fits wear it.

The Dems you speak of are no where near what the left has become today and you know it.

Where do you get that 60% are liberal or Demwits. I the highest that I have seen is around 42% or so and declining. The mast majority do not have your views. Just look at this site and you will find your are by far in the minority.

I said the left disgusts me, that does not mean I do not tolerate them.

And telling me to leave the country is typical of your type. Kind of like all the libs said they would leave when Bush was reelected. Too bad none left.

The American way of life is about individuality and responsibility. The left seems to want to take these traits of our country and do away with through forced government programs (health care)

Time for you to get a life!

Bob Gutermuth
12-08-2009, 07:38 AM
Fortunately the dems are screwing up things so badly that there is a good possibility that the GOP will have a majority in the House after the 2010 electives. That will put a stop to all the idiotic change that Osama has been trying to pull off.

zeus3925
12-08-2009, 07:51 AM
Fortunately the dems are screwing up things so badly that there is a good possibility that the GOP will have a majority in the House after the 2010 electives. That will put a stop to all the idiotic change that Osama has been trying to pull off.

Sounds like some good stuff you're smokin' there, Bob!

Pete
12-08-2009, 08:35 AM
Most radical liberals troll the same dating sites as barney frank. Its no surprise that they are incapable of sound judgement. It just goes with the territory.
Its unfortunate this country gives them the right to be heard. They may have freedom of speech,,but that doesnt mean they get to perpetuate and force their perversions down our throat.

I know this doesnt have to do with homosexuality,,,but I file radical libs in the same catagory. The "Incapable of sound judgements file"

Incompetent geniouses run the show and have for a long time ,,, its no surprise we are in the mess we are in.
And no I dont hate radical libs,,,but I do think they belong in tha closet

p

zeus3925
12-08-2009, 08:41 AM
Most radical liberals troll the same dating sites as barney frank. Its no surprise that they are incapable of sound judgement. It just goes with the territory.
Its unfortunate this country gives them the right to be heard. They may have freedom of speech,,but that doesnt mean they get to perpetuate and force their perversions down our throat.

I know this doesnt have to do with homosexuality,,,but I file radical libs in the same catagory. The "Incapable of sound judgements file"

Incompetent geniouses run the show and have for a long time ,,, its no surprise we are in the mess we are in.
And no I dont hate radical libs,,,but I do think they belong in tha closet

p

Your advice should also apply to a certain radical conservative senator from Idaho, who was looking for love in all the wrong places.

Pete
12-08-2009, 09:55 AM
Your advice should also apply to a certain radical conservative senator from Idaho, who was looking for love in all the wrong places
I certainly would not call him a radical concervative,,,he is pretty moderate and main stream,,but that doesnt excuse him for his behavior
I wont ague with you there Sarge,, our government is full of incompetent geniouses,,,would,nt you say

I have very little use for people with low character and hidden agenda's on any side of the fence. Most are predators and oppertunists in one way or another. Few get my respect,,,most would get a luggy right between the eyes.

They play games with our lives. If I were judge and jury for a day,,, there would be lots and lots of spots to fill on both sides.


p

dnf777
12-08-2009, 10:35 AM
I was speaking to the entire left wing but if the shoe fits wear it.

The Dems you speak of are no where near what the left has become today and you know it.

Where do you get that 60% are liberal or Demwits. I the highest that I have seen is around 42% or so and declining. The mast majority do not have your views. Just look at this site and you will find your are by far in the minority.

I said the left disgusts me, that does not mean I do not tolerate them.

And telling me to leave the country is typical of your type. Kind of like all the libs said they would leave when Bush was reelected. Too bad none left.

The American way of life is about individuality and responsibility. The left seems to want to take these traits of our country and do away with through forced government programs (health care)

Time for you to get a life!

I will not engage in childish name-calling and putting words into others' mouths as you have demonstrated. This conversation is over. Have a nice day.

YardleyLabs
12-08-2009, 10:48 AM
Only the left would do such a thing.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/07/liberal-group-offers-reward-information-chamber-boss/

Just like Larry Flint's offer from earlier time.

I would like to see you find a similar idea from the right.

I will say it again. What the left disagrees with, the left will attempt to destroy.

Disgusting!
I assume that you are reacting to the fact that people have to deliver to collect the reward. This is to distinguish it from the Scaife financed Arkansas Project which paid out over $2 million in efforts to develop stories to discredit Clinton, including payoffs to state troopers willing to provide information on his sexual activities, or the millions paid by the unscrupulous Harold Simmons to finance massive propaganda campaigns against Kerry and Obama without regard to facts and in violation of law. I believe that the campaign against the Chamber of Commerce is tacky, but pales in comparison with a track record of dirty tricks in which conservatives have demonstrated a level of financial commitment and disregard for ethics that makes liberal groups look like nursery school teachers by comparison.

code3retrievers
12-09-2009, 11:48 AM
I believe that the campaign against the Chamber of Commerce is tacky, but pales in comparison with a track record of dirty tricks in which conservatives have demonstrated a level of financial commitment and disregard for ethics that makes liberal groups look like nursery school teachers by comparison.

You believe it is only tacky?

I would hope you are joking. I did not know of these other financed attacks on Clinton but I find them more then just tacky.

I find all of this sensationalism of politics disgusting but I would have to disagree with you. The left is much more vicious. Every leading republican has been attacked both in the private sector and public sector. Obama sent his minions to Alaska to try and dig every bit of dirt up on Palin. They routinely attempt to dirty and destroy every one in their path. They do not fight on issues they fight with tabloid dirt and allegations.

When you make excuses or state that the others do it, does that justify the behavior in your mind?

I would hope not. But then again the left is the party of "tolerance"

Moveon.org was founded for this purpose and so were several others from the left and well financed by Soros and other leftwing types.

dnf777
12-09-2009, 01:19 PM
I did not know of these other financed attacks on Clinton but I find them more then just tacky.



Perhaps Faux-News didn't report them?

YardleyLabs
12-09-2009, 02:12 PM
You believe it is only tacky?

I would hope you are joking. I did not know of these other financed attacks on Clinton but I find them more then just tacky.

I find all of this sensationalism of politics disgusting but I would have to disagree with you. The left is much more vicious. Every leading republican has been attacked both in the private sector and public sector. Obama sent his minions to Alaska to try and dig every bit of dirt up on Palin. They routinely attempt to dirty and destroy every one in their path. They do not fight on issues they fight with tabloid dirt and allegations.

When you make excuses or state that the others do it, does that justify the behavior in your mind?

I would hope not. But then again the left is the party of "tolerance"

Moveon.org was founded for this purpose and so were several others from the left and well financed by Soros and other leftwing types.
Politics in America has never been very clean. The Adams-Jefferson campaign hit some lows even by today's standards. I don't know if this is innate to our American character, or reflects the fact that our political system is based much more on the individual personalities of the candidates/office holder than in more parliamentary systems such as England where party is infinitely more important than the individual filling the seat.

I believe that the standard that must be used for judging behavior in a campaign is whether or not you would consider the same behavior to be appropriate and justified if done against those you support by those you oppose. I believe that bad behavior is never justified because the other guy did it also or by the justness of your cause or the evilness of your opponent. For years conservatives have accused liberals of moral relativism on issues such as abortion, yet preached in support of the same types of moral relativism in other arenas. The fact is that extremists believe that they support the one truth and that actions in support of that truth or in opposition to those who believe differently are always justified no matter how despicable -- thus, extremism is defense of liberty is no vice. Not considered, of course, are conflicting notions of what constitutes liberty.

Personally, I believe that your morality is defined by how you act, not by the ideological or religious beliefs that you might use to defend your actions. If it is wrong to steal emails, for example, it is wrong whether the emails are stolen from university researchers in an effort to discredit a global environmental conference or it involves stealing emails from Republican members of congress to look for embarrassing references based on color, religion or gender. Both should be investigated and prosecuted with equal vigor. If it is wrong to hire investigators to examine every aspect of Palin's life, it is equally wrong to do the same to Obama. Do you actually believe that Obama opponents spent less money and resources investigating Obama than Palin opponents spent investigating Palin? Look just at the millions spent on the Birther issue with no credible evidence whatsoever.

Personally, I welcome the widespread investigations of public figures in politics. However, I do believe that there should be no relaxation of libel laws in those cases. If you recklessly and maliciously repeat a lie about a political candidate during an election campaign, you should be liable for full civil and criminal penalties. In fact, maybe we should expand those penalties to include exclusion from holding public office and from broadcasting on television, radio, or any other media that is public in its nature. But then, how would Fox fill the other 23 hours of the day?

dback
12-09-2009, 02:31 PM
Personally, I welcome the widespread investigations of public figures in politics. However, I do believe that there should be no relaxation of libel laws in those cases. If you recklessly and maliciously repeat a lie about a political candidate during an election campaign, you should be liable for full civil and criminal penalties. In fact, maybe we should expand those penalties to include exclusion from holding public office and from broadcasting on television, radio, or any other media that is public in its nature. But then, how would Fox fill the other 23 hours of the day?

You forgot NBC, ABC, CNN, CBS, MSN.....oh wait....you're right, they don't do any investigative reporting anymore. Unless of course it reflects poorly on a conservative.