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ducknwork
12-13-2009, 09:46 AM
Senate to vote on $1.1 trillion spending bill

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091213/ap_on_bi_ge/us_congress_spending

Senate Democrats overcame a Republican filibuster to clear the way for a vote Sunday on a huge end-of-year $1.1 trillion spending bill that gives budget increases far exceeding inflation to much of the government.

This guy says it best...

Republicans who fought the bill said it provides too much money at a time when the government is running astronomical deficits. "Obviously we need to run the government, but do you suppose the government could be a little bit like families and be just a little bit prudent in how much it spends?" said Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz.


Before you say it, I know Bush spent a lot. However, back in kindergarten, I learned that two wrongs don't make a right.

K G
12-13-2009, 11:13 AM
Okay Roger......NOW we can start talking about this topic......and PLEASE stay current. This is happening NOW, on the tail end of the worst recession since the great depression, which BHO is taking TOTAL credit for "ending"...and he has stated that he will NOT veto this spending bill, which contains over 5000 earmarks....

Remembering BHO's campaign promise about earmarks regards, :rolleyes:

kg

Richard Halstead
12-13-2009, 05:52 PM
I watched a little C-span today the congress trying to vote for the bill would increase the level that is approved by congress. The bill passed with more pork than a Iowa pig farm. McCain, the Replican senator from Arizona, reminded his fellow members of the Senate that President Obama promised to go line by line and veto any bills that he did not favor.

Warning to Buzz and Yardley that Obama is moving closer to the center from the Left he seems to relize that telling the nations that don't like us very much and the Whitehouse is are actally evil in these nations that won't change because of teleprompter speeches.

Roger Perry
12-14-2009, 08:27 AM
Okay Roger......NOW we can start talking about this topic......and PLEASE stay current. This is happening NOW, on the tail end of the worst recession since the great depression, which BHO is taking TOTAL credit for "ending"...and he has stated that he will NOT veto this spending bill, which contains over 5000 earmarks....

Remembering BHO's campaign promise about earmarks regards, :rolleyes:

kg

At least his spending is down from the past administration.

On February 5, 2007, President George W. Bush submitted (as is customary for a president to do so) a budget request to the U.S. Congress for fiscal year (FY) 2008. It would amount to $2.9 trillion in federal spending

By David R. Sands and Christina Bellantoni, THE WASHINGTON TIMES
President Obama (http://washingtontimes.com/themes/?Theme=Barack+Obama) on Monday vowed to reel in wasteful Washington spending and blasted deceptive "accounting tricks" used by the Bush administration to fund the Iraq war even as House Democrats released a $410 billion stopgap spending bill studded with thousands of pork-barrel projects.

"There aren't nearly as many earmarks in these bills as there were when [the Republicans] were in power, and unlike those days, every earmark is listed, every sponsor identified, and the public has a chance for real accountability," said Kirstin Brost, a spokeswoman for Mr. Obey.

Among the earmarked projects in the bill are $764,000 for the Lake George Watershed Protection Initiative in New York, requested by Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, New York Democrat; $9.9 million for South Carolina's historically black colleges and universities, requested by House Majority Whip James E. Clyburn, South Carolina Democrat; and $1.1 million requested by Senate Republican Conference Chairman Lamar Alexander and Sen. Bob Corker, both of Tennessee, for water treatment plant improvements in Tennessee's Unicoi County, as well as $300,000 for a sewer extension project in another county.

Among the cuts he outlined: ending payments to agribusiness, eliminating no-bid contracts in Iraq, stopping Medicare fraud, and ending tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas - a regular campaign promise that Mr. Obama hasn't mentioned recently.

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/feb/24/obama-pleads-for-fiscal-responsibility/

ducknwork
12-14-2009, 08:33 AM
At least his spending is down from the past administration.

I knew it was coming!


Before you say it, I know Bush spent a lot. However, back in kindergarten, I learned that two wrongs don't make a right.

K G
12-14-2009, 09:45 AM
Roger, please help me understand how you think that dwelling on the Bush 43 administration's "failures" (in YOUR eyes) helps us deal with today's issues?

You are living with blinders on, my friend....the denial you live in daily is staggering....

Are you REALLY not capable of understanding that, quite frankly, YOU are the only person that cares NOW what Bush 43 did or didn't do? Do you think the conservatives and moderates here (or the INFORMED liberals, for that matter) really give a FLIP about what Bush 43 spent or didn't spend at this stage of the game? Do you think anyone is gonna care in November of 2010 or 2012?

I would feel sorry for you if I didn't think you were capable of understanding this concept. However, all evidence up to this point confirms my latent suspicion....

kg

Eric Johnson
12-14-2009, 09:59 AM
Roger-

Two issues....

1. The reference to Bush was a complete budget less the war. The $1.1 trillion just passed was for everything not including Defense.

2. The reference to a Bush document was to a "going in" document. It was vastly changed in the process. The $1.1 trillion refers to a completed budget.

Oh...one more thing.... President Obama promised the American public that he would be going through expenditure legislation line by line and would remove the pork-barrel spending. Wanna bet?

Eric

Roger Perry
12-14-2009, 10:13 AM
Roger, please help me understand how you think that dwelling on the Bush 43 administration's "failures" (in YOUR eyes) helps us deal with today's issues?

You are living with blinders on, my friend....the denial you live in daily is staggering....

Are you REALLY not capable of understanding that, quite frankly, YOU are the only person that cares NOW what Bush 43 did or didn't do? Do you think the conservatives and moderates here (or the INFORMED liberals, for that matter) really give a FLIP about what Bush 43 spent or didn't spend at this stage of the game? Do you think anyone is gonna care in November of 2010 or 2012?

I would feel sorry for you if I didn't think you were capable of understanding this concept. However, all evidence up to this point confirms my latent suspicion....

kg

I made a one sentence reference to past spending and 4 paragraphs about comments on present spending and you did not address one of those. You chose to attack the statement for the Bush spending instead. Why don't you comment on the other 4 paragraphs?

Roger, please help me understand how you think that dwelling on the Bush 43 administration's "failures" (in YOUR eyes) helps us deal with today's issues?

Because of the past administration the economy is in the situation it is in today. Obama did not start from scratch to put us where we are today, he inherited it.

ducknwork
12-14-2009, 10:31 AM
Because of the past administrations the economy is in the situation it is in today. Obama did not start from scratch to put us where we are today, he inherited it.

Fixed it for ya.

K G
12-14-2009, 10:47 AM
Fixed it for ya.

Ducknwork did you a favor, Roger, 'cause I KNOW you don't want to leave out any administration BEFORE Bush 43's impact on our current problems...'cause, you know, their policies DID have an effect...

And the article you quoted is from February of this year, Roger...that is 10 months ago...an ETERNITY in political and financial time, Roger...PLEASE tell me you understand that....:rolleyes:

Read TODAY's news, Roger...TODAY...and tell me where BHO stands with eliminating wasteful spending....PLEASE tell me where he stands TODAY...(here's a hint: he's already said he will NOT veto the bill that has over 5000 earmarks....:wink:).

He's changing his promises as he goes along, Roger...you know it, I know it, and fortunately for us all, the AMERICAN PEOPLE know it and will remember it in November '10 and '12....

kg

Roger Perry
12-14-2009, 11:08 AM
Ducknwork did you a favor, Roger, 'cause I KNOW you don't want to leave out any administration BEFORE Bush 43's impact on our current problems...'cause, you know, their policies DID have an effect...

And the article you quoted is from February of this year, Roger...that is 10 months ago...an ETERNITY in political and financial time, Roger...PLEASE tell me you understand that....:rolleyes:

Read TODAY's news, Roger...TODAY...and tell me where BHO stands with eliminating wasteful spending....PLEASE tell me where he stands TODAY...(here's a hint: he's already said he will NOT veto the bill that has over 5000 earmarks....:wink:).

He's changing his promises as he goes along, Roger...you know it, I know it, and fortunately for us all, the AMERICAN PEOPLE know it and will remember it in November '10 and '12....

kg

The Senate on Sunday passed a $1.1 trillion spending bill with increased budgets for vast areas of the federal government including health, education, law enforcement and veterans' programs.

The spending bill passed Sunday includes $447 billion for departments' operating budgets and about $650 billion in mandatory payments for federal benefit programs such as Medicare and Medicaid, which provide health care benefits to the elderly, disabled and poor. Those programs under immediate control of Congress would see increases of about 10 percent.
The FBI gets $7.9 billion, a $680 million increase over 2009; the Veterans Health Administration budget goes from $41 billion to $45.1 billion; the National Institutes of Health receives $31 billion, a $692 million increase.

Tell me Keith, what is wrong with spending more for health, education, law enforcement and our veterans?

Bob Gutermuth
12-14-2009, 11:15 AM
Just a few years back Bush was President we had Johnny Cash and Bob hope. Now with Osama as POTUS we have no Cash and no Hope.

blind ambition
12-14-2009, 11:29 AM
Just a few years back Bush was President we had Johnny Cash and Bob hope. Now with Osama as POTUS we have no Cash and no Hope.

That is a good joke; interesting fact though....Both Hope and Cash died in 2003, the same year the past administration invaded Iraq. Could "W" and not "O" have caused the loss of Hope and Cash?

ducknwork
12-14-2009, 01:17 PM
Tell me Keith, what is wrong with spending more for health, education, law enforcement and our veterans?

The same thing that is wrong with going to the grocery store and buying steaks for dinner when you have to use your credit card to pay for it.

We don't have the means to pay for increases in anything.

Did you miss this little nugget?


Senate Democrats overcame a Republican filibuster to clear the way for a vote Sunday on a huge end-of-year $1.1 trillion spending bill that gives budget increases far exceeding inflation to much of the government.

Roger Perry
12-14-2009, 02:00 PM
The same thing that is wrong with going to the grocery store and buying steaks for dinner when you have to use your credit card to pay for it.

We don't have the means to pay for increases in anything.

Did you miss this little nugget?

All right where do we make the cuts. Out of 1.1 trillion over half (650 billion) goes to mandatory payments to Medicare and Medicade and such.
I know, why don't we just kill off the sick and the elderly.

447 Billion goes to department operating budgets.

Maybe we could cut out money (7.9 billion) for the FBI. Heck we don't need them to track down terrorists do we?

How about cutting out the money for veterans benefits they don't need 45.1 billion do they? After all we only lost about 4,000+ lives and god know how many were wounded in Iraq, Hell lets kick them out of the hospitals and deny them any extended care.

I would say Congress cut the spending to almost the bare bones compared to what the last administration spent. And, yes you do have to make a comparison so you can compare apples to apples.

K G
12-14-2009, 02:08 PM
Where's all this money going to come from, Roger?

WHERE?????????????????????

Especially for those 5000 EARMARKS with this bill that BHO said we wouldn't have any more of after he became President? Is our President a LIAR, Roger??? Or should he just admit he said all that BS just to get elected? I'd respect him more if he did...

I can think of a ton of things I want but can't afford to have regards,

kg

Roger Perry
12-14-2009, 02:25 PM
Where's all this money going to come from, Roger?

WHERE?????????????????????

Especially for those 5000 EARMARKS with this bill that BHO said we wouldn't have any more of after he became President? Is our President a LIAR, Roger??? Or should he just admit he said all that BS just to get elected? I'd respect him more if he did...

I can think of a ton of things I want but can't afford to have regards,

kg

Estimated receipts for fiscal year 2008 were $2.66 trillion.

$1.25 trillion - Individual income tax (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_tax_in_the_United_States)
$927.2 billion - Social Security (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Security_(United_States)) and other payroll tax (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payroll_tax)
$314.9 billion - Corporate income tax (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_tax_in_the_United_States)
$68.1 billion - Excise tax (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excise_tax_in_the_United_States)
$29.2 billion - Customs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Customs) duties (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duty_(economics))
$25.7 billion - Estate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inheritance_tax) and gift taxes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gift_tax)
$50.7 billion - OtherLooks to me that the 2.66 trillion income will be enough to cover the 1.1 trillion spending.

Steve Amrein
12-14-2009, 02:38 PM
I can think of a ton of things I want but can't afford to have regards,

kg


So does Tiger.......

Trying to add a bit of humor regards

K G
12-14-2009, 04:45 PM
Estimated receipts for fiscal year 2008 were $2.66 trillion.

$1.25 trillion - Individual income tax (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_tax_in_the_United_States)
$927.2 billion - Social Security (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Security_(United_States)) and other payroll tax (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payroll_tax)
$314.9 billion - Corporate income tax (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_tax_in_the_United_States)
$68.1 billion - Excise tax (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excise_tax_in_the_United_States)
$29.2 billion - Customs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Customs) duties (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duty_(economics))
$25.7 billion - Estate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inheritance_tax) and gift taxes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gift_tax)
$50.7 billion - OtherLooks to me that the 2.66 trillion income will be enough to cover the 1.1 trillion spending.

Roger, you're SO predictable....;-)

What about the remaining $13 TRILLION deficit?

And Wikipedia wouldn't be my source for budget number, Roger. Try the GAO...

kg

Roger Perry
12-14-2009, 04:52 PM
Roger, you're SO predictable....;-)

What about the remaining $13 TRILLION deficit?

And Wikipedia wouldn't be my source for budget number, Roger. Try the GAO...

kg

Where was your concern when Bush spending all your money? How much of the defict was there when Bush left office?

Here is what McCain would have proposed.


McCain promises to renew the full roster of Bush tax cuts enacted in 2001 and 2003 and add many more for businesses and upper income people who pay the alternative minimum tax. The Bush tax cuts expire at the end of 2010 and renewing them would soon cost well over $200 billion a year. Eliminating the alternative minimum at the same time would cost almost as much.

How would cutting taxes help reduce the defict?

road kill
12-14-2009, 05:02 PM
The Senate on Sunday passed a $1.1 trillion spending bill with increased budgets for vast areas of the federal government including health, education, law enforcement and veterans' programs.

The spending bill passed Sunday includes $447 billion for departments' operating budgets and about $650 billion in mandatory payments for federal benefit programs such as Medicare and Medicaid, which provide health care benefits to the elderly, disabled and poor. Those programs under immediate control of Congress would see increases of about 10 percent.
The FBI gets $7.9 billion, a $680 million increase over 2009; the Veterans Health Administration budget goes from $41 billion to $45.1 billion; the National Institutes of Health receives $31 billion, a $692 million increase.

Tell me Keith, what is wrong with spending more for health, education, law enforcement and our veterans?

Nothing is wrong with that, it's the other 90% that is disturbing!!


Hoax & Change regards,

rk

Steve Amrein
12-14-2009, 05:13 PM
Where was your concern when Bush spending all your money? How much of the defict was there when Bush left office?

BTW most who are concerned about BHO's spending were less impressed when W did. W likely had the worst fiscal record ever for a Republican president ever. I am afraid by the time the folks running it now will make Bush look like a amatuer. Sorry your not getting much defense from fiscal conservatives about this one.

K G
12-14-2009, 05:26 PM
Where was your concern when Bush spending all your money? How much of the defict was there when Bush left office?

Here is what McCain would have proposed.


McCain promises to renew the full roster of Bush tax cuts enacted in 2001 and 2003 and add many more for businesses and upper income people who pay the alternative minimum tax. The Bush tax cuts expire at the end of 2010 and renewing them would soon cost well over $200 billion a year. Eliminating the alternative minimum at the same time would cost almost as much.

How would cutting taxes help reduce the defict?

Do you realize how futile you sound by quoting "what ifs?"

$13 TRILLION, Roger.....5000 more earmarks....are you getting what you want out of this President? Isn't that more important to you that whatever you would or would not have gotten from the guy that didn't get elected?

I'm beginning to believe that you enjoy the political fantasy life you live here, Roger....

kg

Roger Perry
12-14-2009, 05:41 PM
Do you realize how futile you sound by quoting "what ifs?"

$13 TRILLION, Roger.....5000 more earmarks....are you getting what you want out of this President? Isn't that more important to you that whatever you would or would not have gotten from the guy that didn't get elected?

I'm beginning to believe that you enjoy the political fantasy life you live here, Roger....

kg

All the bitching in the world will not change the fact YOUR GUY LOST. Obama will be the President for the next 3 years and unless he gets assassinated or dies and that will not change. Get used to it.

road kill
12-14-2009, 05:57 PM
All the bitching in the world will not change the fact YOUR GUY LOST. Obama will be the President for the next 3 years and unless he gets assassinated or dies and that will not change. Get used to it.



McCain was not MY guy....


....but to clarify, we all lost!!

Hoax & Change regards

rk

Roger Perry
12-14-2009, 06:29 PM
Nothing is wrong with that, it's the other 90% that is disturbing!!


Hoax & Change regards,

rk

Where I went to school the following add up to 1.181 trillion
443 billion dept operating
650 billion medicare & medicade ect
7.9 billion FBI
45.1 billion veterans
31 billion Nat. Inst Health care
_________________
1.181 trillion

Roger Perry
12-14-2009, 06:45 PM
With Bank of America paying off 45 billion, wells fargo paying off 25 billion and Citi group paying off 20 billion, that should help the defict some.

ducknwork
12-14-2009, 06:48 PM
A drop in the bucket.



The bucket is still leaking regards,

Bob Gutermuth
12-15-2009, 11:05 AM
The real loser in the election of 2008 was not Senator McCain, it was America. Osama couldn't run a one car funeral, never mind what was until his inauguration the greatest nation on earth. America will be a 3rd world country by the time his next three years are up. God forbid he should get re-elected.