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Ken Newcomb
12-19-2009, 10:04 AM
I guess everyone can be bought.

Although Nebraskan's are 70% againt the HC Bill and the statement that "Nebraskan's know I can't be bought or threatened." Ben Nelson is a coward and went against his own people.

luvmylabs23139
12-19-2009, 10:09 AM
He sold out and cut a deal for special medicaid money for NB.

YardleyLabs
12-19-2009, 10:26 AM
It's amazing that the only difference between a hero and a cad is whether or not you agree with what they do.:rolleyes:

Goose
12-19-2009, 10:40 AM
Drop trou and spread your cheeks America. Try to enjoy it.

We live in Cuba now.

luvmylabs23139
12-19-2009, 10:55 AM
It's amazing that the only difference between a hero and a cad is whether or not you agree with what they do.:rolleyes:

Any deal for any state to buy a vote is BS. Why, if this is federal reform should the rules, or benefits vary by state?
The whole thing is unconstitutional, and nothing more than redistribution of wealth!

subroc
12-19-2009, 11:01 AM
Jeff believes in redistribution of wealth as evidenced by his support for this bill.

dnf777
12-19-2009, 11:41 AM
It's amazing that the only difference between a hero and a cad is whether or not you agree with what they do.:rolleyes:

So true. Bush runs up we'll say 4.7 trillion in debt, and not a peep from the righties. Obama spends 290 billion, and its mayhem on the streets!

Obama wants to provide healthcare for citizens of the US and its communism. Bush wants access to warrantless wiretaps, library and banking records, and its Patriotism.

Democrats with majorities in both houses by duly elected representatives and a 64% margin president vote on a bill, and its "ramming down someone's throat", when a president who lost the popular vote makes recess appointments, its just getting the job done.

The inconsistencies in outrage and standards just shoots lethal holes in the right-wing's credibility. But we already knew that. Not that dems are squeaky clean by any means, both parties stink. One just helps the working guy, and the other protects large corporate interests.

dnf777
12-19-2009, 11:41 AM
Drop trou and spread your cheeks America. Try to enjoy it.

We live in Cuba now.

You should be well-lubed after the last 8 years!! :shock:

Ken Newcomb
12-19-2009, 11:52 AM
It's amazing that the only difference between a hero and a cad is whether or not you agree with what they do.:rolleyes:


The difference to me is that Senators are elected to represent the people in their district. If 70% of those people tell you to vote a certain way is it really right to vote against them?

I am more taken aback by the fact that he reassured the people of Nebraska that he could not be bought or threatened. HE WAS BOUGHT. Plain and simple. That makes him not a man of his word, thus a coward, regardless of how I feel about it.

subroc
12-19-2009, 11:57 AM
...Bush runs up we'll say 4.7 trillion in debt, and not a peep from the righties...

Not true. While I don't really know what the right thinks about anything, being an independent and all, I remember them clearly railing aginst the social program called prescription drugs.

While you like to specificaly point out right wing hypocracy without ever holding the left to the same standard, when it comes to President George W. Bush, spending and the rights treatment of that deseves honesty.

luvmylabs23139
12-19-2009, 12:05 PM
So true. Bush runs up we'll say 4.7 trillion in debt, and not a peep from the righties. Obama spends 290 billion, and its mayhem on the streets!

Obama wants to provide healthcare for citizens of the US and its communism. Bush wants access to warrantless wiretaps, library and banking records, and its Patriotism.

Democrats with majorities in both houses by duly elected representatives and a 64% margin president vote on a bill, and its "ramming down someone's throat", when a president who lost the popular vote makes recess appointments, its just getting the job done.

The inconsistencies in outrage and standards just shoots lethal holes in the right-wing's credibility. But we already knew that. Not that dems are squeaky clean by any means, both parties stink. One just helps the working guy, and the other protects large corporate interests.

THe majority of the TAX PAYING people in this country don;t want this crap!


WHY SHOULD NON INCOME TAX PAYING PEOPLE BE ALLOWED TO STEAL HARD WORKING TAX PAYING PEOPLES MONEY????
THEY HAVE NO RIGHT TO MY HARD EARNED MONEY!
THAT IS THEFT AND REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH!
THEY CAN GO TO HECK!!!!

dnf777
12-19-2009, 12:07 PM
Not true. While I don't really know what the right thinks about anything, being an independent and all, I remember them clearly railing aginst the social program called prescription drugs.

While you like to specificaly point out right wing hypocracy without ever holding the left to the same standard, when it comes to President George W. Bush, spending and the rights treatment of that deseves honesty.

I hold the left to the same level. I've mentioned my dislike for Obama's out of control spending several times. It may go unnoticed on this forum because I do not resort to name calling. (Osama, Bumma, dummocrats, etc...)

Not that dems are squeaky clean by any means, both parties stink. One just helps the working guy, and the other protects large corporate interests. (pasted from two posts ago)

As for the prescription drug plan, what a windfall for the major pharmaceutical companies, and good example of the above statement. Protected them from reimportation and allows them to continue to dodge fair market pressures. They don't care if their money comes in from the gov't or consumer's pockets, why should they?

subroc
12-19-2009, 12:18 PM
left wing talking points.


One just helps the working guy, and the other protects large corporate interests. (pasted from two posts ago)


Could you tell me which one you assert does which?

I expect republicans, more than democrats, help the working guy. democrats on the other hand use tax dollars taken from the working man and redistribute those dollars to those that do not work all the while vilifying big business while treating them the same as republicans.

luvmylabs23139
12-19-2009, 12:21 PM
[quote=dnf777;538936]I hold the left to the same level. I've mentioned my dislike for Obama's out of control spending several times. It may go unnoticed on this forum because I do not resort to name calling. (Osama, Bumma, dummocrats, etc...)

Not that dems are squeaky clean by any means, both parties stink. One just helps the working guy,

The dums only suport unions whch suport the goof off. Too many times a hard working dedicated union employee is tossed and the goof off bum keeps their job due to unions. Yes I do know what I'm talking about.
Senior union employee caught on video waxing his motorcycle on company time stays but the lessor senority employee who has never broken a rule gets layed off. That crap stinks, and when you are the one that has to give the good employee a pink slip, well lets just say a walked out rather than do the deed.

Eric Johnson
12-19-2009, 12:47 PM
I wonder if the bill, or at least this component, will now survive a constitutional challege.

"Nelson secured full federal funding for his state to expand Medicaid coverage to all individuals below 133 percent of the federal poverty level. Other states must pay a small portion of the additional cost. He won concessions for qualifying nonprofit insurers and for Medigap providers from a new insurance tax. He also was able to roll back cuts to health savings accounts. "

It strikes me that this creates a legal issue for a person or persons from outside Nebraska to file an anti-discrimination suit against the bill. If that happens, it may well be that the provision that Senator Nelson fought for will be ruled unconstitutional and the rest of the bill left alone. Won't that be a kick in the head! Nelson would have sold his vote for nothing and still have to face the significant majority in his state that oppose this.

Eric

road kill
12-19-2009, 01:39 PM
You should be well-lubed after the last 8 years!! :shock:

I think that "LUBE" is distributed in public schools now!!

Hoax & Chains regards

rk

K G
12-19-2009, 01:40 PM
So true. Bush runs up we'll say 4.7 trillion in debt, and not a peep from the righties. Obama spends 290 billion, and its mayhem on the streets!

Typical left-sided miscomparison....so, dnf....what is our national debt NOW under BHO????

Looking forward to a simple numercial reply regards,

kg

Uncle Bill
12-19-2009, 02:33 PM
It's amazing that the only difference between a hero and a cad is whether or not you agree with what they do.:rolleyes:


NO $HITT GI!!! And of course YOUR ox is never gored.

You pathetic socialists should be elated. You will have succeeded in forcing your UNAMERICAN views on us all in short order.

Have no fear Kenny...it was NEVER about healthcare...it was ALWAYS about Democrat POWER. When they pass all their ludicrous pork-barrel solutions that have achieved a complete oligarchy for the present administration, and the freedoms this nation once lived by are all locked up in some bureacracy, we will all listen to how they explain to their grandkids the 'justices' they have accomplished.

UB

road kill
12-19-2009, 02:41 PM
Typical left-sided miscomparison....so, dnf....what is our national debt NOW under BHO????

Looking forward to a simple numercial reply regards,

kg

http://usdebtclock.org/

Is this helpful??

It appears we are nearing $13,000,000,000!
Let's say President Bush had $5 trillion that means President Obama has incresed it to $13 trillion, and increase of 260% in 1 year and we aren't even talking "free healthcare" costs yet!!
And Cap & Trade, and Global Warming etc, etc , etc.


I pray every night that God saves us from ourselves!!

Hoax & Chains regards....



rk

K G
12-19-2009, 03:18 PM
Wow, rk....that number IS a whole lot bigger when looking at a $290 billion spending bill compared to the previous administration's national debt....;-) Who says conservatives can't make an apples-to-apples comparison....:cool:

I'm beginning to like your sign-off regards, :D

kg

dnf777
12-19-2009, 03:26 PM
http://usdebtclock.org/

Is this helpful??

It appears we are nearing $13,000,000,000!
Let's say President Bush had $5 trillion that means President Obama has incresed it to $13 trillion, and increase of 260% in 1 year and we aren't even talking "free healthcare" costs yet!!
And Cap & Trade, and Global Warming etc, etc , etc.


I pray every night that God saves us from ourselves!!

Hoax & Chains regards....



rk

If anyone is expecting me to defend Obama's spending, you're all barking up the wrong tree.

Bush did not leave office with the debt at 5T. In fact, they had to add another digit to the symbolic debt ticker under his watch, as he pushed the debt through the 10 trillion mark. Again, depending on how you run the books, he ran the debt up anywhere from 4.7T to 8T, largely with a republican congress 6/8 of the time.

You're right about needing to focus on the present guy in office, and reel in his spending. I couldn't agree more. I just don't want us to gloss over the republican's recent record, so we won't mistakenly think that by re-electing the likes of Bush/Cheney, it will make the spending like a drunk sailor go away. We've all seen the chart posted here several times about which administrations run up the big bills. Obama might finally bring the democrats to that party, that has mostly been republican up till now.

road kill
12-19-2009, 03:33 PM
If anyone is expecting me to defend Obama's spending, you're all barking up the wrong tree.

Bush did not leave office with the debt at 5T. In fact, they had to add another digit to the symbolic debt ticker under his watch, as he pushed the debt through the 10 trillion mark. Again, depending on how you run the books, he ran the debt up anywhere from 4.7T to 8T, largely with a republican congress 6/8 of the time.

You're right about needing to focus on the present guy in office, and reel in his spending. I couldn't agree more. I just don't want us to gloss over the republican's recent record, so we won't mistakenly think that by re-electing the likes of Bush/Cheney, it will make the spending like a drunk sailor go away. We've all seen the chart posted here several times about which administrations run up the big bills. Obama might finally bring the democrats to that party, that has mostly been republican up till now.

I resent that remark.
I was a sailor, and I got drunk (once), but I had to stop spending foolishly.

You see, I ran out of money.

That's not stopping these guys!!!:shock:

M&K's Retrievers
12-19-2009, 05:08 PM
[QUOTE=dnf777;538922]So true. Bush runs up we'll say 4.7 trillion in debt, and not a peep from the righties. QUOTE]

Where oh where are the specifics? (I tracked you down :D)

YardleyLabs
12-19-2009, 05:42 PM
[quote=dnf777;538922]So true. Bush runs up we'll say 4.7 trillion in debt, and not a peep from the righties. QUOTE]

Where oh where are the specifics? (I tracked you down :D)
Under GWB, the national debt rose from $5.6 trillion to $10.7 trillion. In addition to this, at the time he left office there was an additional deficit of more than a trillion dollars incorporated into budgets and unbudgeted spending commitments already made but not included in the budget (e.g. funding for the war after February 2009). Under Obama, the national debt has increased by about $1.5 trillion reflecting a mix of the inherited deficit and the stimulus program spending to date. The increases in debt are shown in the graph below of changes in the deficit as a percentage of GDP. You can also see the data on Wikipedia at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt or on the Treasury or White House web sites. FWIW, more than 40% of the deficit is money that has been borrowed from various trust funds including social security.

http://zfacts.com/metaPage/lib/National-Debt-GDP-L.gif

subroc
12-19-2009, 06:04 PM
and the unemployent rate under President George W. Bush and obama to have a tax base to support those deficits?

Eric Johnson
12-19-2009, 06:14 PM
There are two things of note.

1) The date of the graph is Feb 2009. In the past 8 months or so, it will have increased.

2) The graph goes straight up with the start of the Obama presidency. That's really worthy of fear.

What's the significance of the red/black lines?

Eric

YardleyLabs
12-19-2009, 06:28 PM
There are two things of note.

1) The date of the graph is Feb 2009. In the past 8 months or so, it will have increased.

2) The graph goes straight up with the start of the Obama presidency. That's really worthy of fear.

What's the significance of the red/black lines?

Eric
I know when it stops. The date is prominently written on the graph. That was why I also indicated how much it has increased since Obama became President. I'm not entirely sure of the red vs black. The source is zfacts.com (http://zfacts.com) if you want to check the details. I suspect those are periods when we incurred total operating deficits after accounting for both the budget deficit and the surpluses in government trust funds. The graph began going straight up in mid 2008 with Bush's actions to mitigate the economic collapse and continued that way for the same reason when Obama took office. I am less concerned about that than I am about the absence of plans to reduce the debt once the economy is growing well again.

Goose
12-19-2009, 07:30 PM
I'm surprised to see you leftist liberal goo-goo's talking about our national debt. Big numbers usually make you democrats dizzy.

Let's look at Obongo's party so far. Since Shrub left office Dear Leader's added about $1.51 trillion to our debt. Let's round it up to $1.6 trillion by the end of the fiscal year. Now multiply that by 8 years (Heaven please help us) of an Obongo adminstration and we get $12.8 trillion freakin' dollars added to the national debt. Way to go, Barry! That's a double...a one bagger! Want to compare him to Bush? Fine. Bush added $5.727 trillion freakin' dollars during his eight years of arsony.

In October foreigners were net sellers of treasury instruments to the tune of about $43 trillion dollars. Again...sellers not buyers. Obama and his leftist loonies in Congress want to increase the debt ceiling by $1.8 trillion...or $150 billion NET OF NEW ISSUE A MONTH. Don't get dizzy on me yet, dems.

So if the Chinese, Brits, Japanese, Saudis and all the other happy little foreigners won't be buying our crappy debt anymore who will? And what happens when the old stuff rolls?

Oh yeah...we've still got Mr. QuanteasingdebtmonetizingZimbabweB52Bernanke. He'll buy it!! Ben to the rescue with his printing presses and green ink. He's a helluva arsonist. He'll save us, right?

Wrong. Obama, Ben and Timmy Turbo are taking us to hell...and pretty damn quick. We'll by paying $100 for a loaf of bread when they're through with us...if there's any bread left.

We live in Cuba now.

BrianW
12-21-2009, 12:03 PM
Beat on Bush all you like, you can't change the fact that the past is the PAST and nothing can be done about it.
The only thing we have any hope of changing is the future.

The Democrats are the party of the "working man"?
Puh-lease !! :rolleyes:
Both are the party of Goldman Sachs and the rich who just keep getting richer.
Under Bush/TS Paulson & TARP GS made billions that was funneled directly from AIG with with the direct intervention of former Fed Reserve Bank of NY, now TS Tim Geithner.
Under BHO/Crap & Tax, GS stands to make trillions off of the new carbon trading market along with Jeffrey Immelt from GE , AL Gore and the rest while every one of "the working man's" power/heating rates skyrocket.
Under health care "reform", Big Pharma stands to makes billion, if not more, through the barring of price negotiations and banning of imported drugs, while "the working man" will be forced to pay more for a health care plan than it's worth.
Under amnesty and immigration reform, this country will be flooded with new workers more than willing to work for min wage, thus driving down "the working man's" wage vs tax ratio even more and making it even harder to get/keep a job in the first place.

Forgive me while this working man pukes from the stench of the bull$&^! being spewed from PBO & the choir. :barf:

Uncle Bill
12-21-2009, 03:18 PM
Yo, Kenny! Hyaryago:


WWW.Givebentheboost.com (http://www.Givebentheboost.com)

Sounds like many of your fellow Cornhuskers aren't in love with your flip-flopping senator either.

UB

BonMallari
12-21-2009, 03:21 PM
Beat on Bush all you like, you can't change the fact that the past is the PAST and nothing can be done about it.
The only thing we have any hope of changing is the future.

The Democrats are the party of the "working man"?
Puh-lease !! :rolleyes:
Both are the party of Goldman Sachs and the rich who just keep getting richer.
Under Bush/TS Paulson & TARP GS made billions that was funneled directly from AIG with with the direct intervention of former Fed Reserve Bank of NY, now TS Tim Geithner.
Under BHO/Crap & Tax, GS stands to make trillions off of the new carbon trading market along with Jeffrey Immelt from GE , AL Gore and the rest while every one of "the working man's" power/heating rates skyrocket.
Under health care "reform", Big Pharma stands to makes billion, if not more, through the barring of price negotiations and banning of imported drugs, while "the working man" will be forced to pay more for a health care plan than it's worth.
Under amnesty and immigration reform, this country will be flooded with new workers more than willing to work for min wage, thus driving down "the working man's" wage vs tax ratio even more and making it even harder to get/keep a job in the first place.

Forgive me while this working man pukes from the stench of the bull$&^! being spewed from PBO & the choir. :barf:


Brian of all the posts I have read you are the ONLY one that makes any sense..evereyone on here is so quick to argue in typical partisan fashion, but you at least understand that is about greed, corruption, and special interests...it is not a Republican or Democrat problem alone..and the stereotype that one party stands for this group or that is the biggest load of crap that we are being sold...our politicians sell out to the highest bidder, its up to the VOTING PUBLIC to remove all the offenders,one office at a time

Sabireley
12-23-2009, 07:49 AM
[QUOTE=YardleyLabs;539085][quote=M&K's Retrievers;539067]
FWIW, more than 40% of the deficit is money that has been borrowed from various trust funds including social security.
QUOTE]

I thought Social Security was supposed to be in a "Lock Box" Thankfully it is not and has been shrewdly invested in US government debt.