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road kill
12-28-2009, 01:58 PM
The System Failed

Pentaerythritol tetranitrate (PETN), the explosive Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab tried to detonate aboard Northwest Airlines flight 253, is among the most powerful of explosives in the world and was widely used to blow up airplanes in the 1970s and 1980s. The only reason the passengers of Flight 253 are still alive today is because Mr. Abdulmutallab’s syringe detonator failed for still unknown reasons.
Yet despite the facts that PETN is easily detected and Mr. Abdulmutallab’s father warned the U.S. embassy in Nigeria about his son this November, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano had the audacity to go on television yesterday and say “the system worked” and that the suspect was properly screened. The “system worked?” The 278 passengers on flight 253 could be dead today but for a faulty syringe and the Obama administration considers that a success? That is pure idiocy. Idiocy that is a direct threat to the security of this country and that goes to the heart of the Obama administration’s approach to the war on terror.

What on earth could Secretary Napolitano possibly mean when she said the “system worked?” The answer can be found at the University of Michigan Medical Center in Ann Arbor where on Saturday U.S. District Judge Paul Borman read Mr. Abdulmutallab the charges the Obama administration has filed against him for trying to blow up Flight 253. And the Obama administration probably will win a slam dunk conviction of Mr. Abdulmutallab. But his conviction will not make us any safer than the convictions of the 1993 World Trade Center bombers did during the Clinton administration. Prosecuting terrorists when we can is necessary to protect our country, but is in no way sufficient.

The Obama administration continues to demonstrate that they believe counterterrorism is a law enforcement problem to be managed, not a war to be won. Hence Attorney General Eric Holder’s insistence on sending Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and four other terrorists to New York for a civilian trial in federal court. The five defendants are already plotting how best to air their grievances and exploit their treatment while in detention. Worse, criminalizing the war on terror will force our government to give up the chance to interrogate terrorists like any enemy combatants and lose invaluable intelligence.

The Flight 253 incident was an intelligence failure. Instead of focusing on convictions, the Obama administration should be focusing on gathering the intelligence necessary to best protect the American people. This aborted attack provides a visceral reminder that terrorists remain committed to killing Americans. But it also illustrates the need to:


Work with international partners on countering terrorism;
Defend the domestic intelligence and law enforcement tools that disrupt plots inside the U.S.; and
Pursue foreign terrorist sanctuaries that serve as staging grounds for international operations.

Clearly, terrorists have not wavered in their resolve to strike America. The United States must be equally resolute in its response.
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I though after the World Apology tour that everyone loved us now??

rk

Franco
12-28-2009, 02:44 PM
The Administration is in over-thier-heads and haven't come to grasp the severity of the situation. After religious wack-job Hassan killed 13 people at Ft Hood, their immediate reaction was that this was not an act of religious terrorism. The fact is that we have evidence of his communications to a radical cleric in Yeman. That cleric encouraged the shootings at FT Hood. Bush/Cheney were far more pre-emptive in handling terrorist! At least the current administration snuffed the cleric and his henchman last week. Had we not and the information came out that the administration didn't act, the reprecussions would have been too much for O to handle. We need to let our intelligence agencies use all thier skills in keeping them in check.

Uncle Bill
12-28-2009, 02:56 PM
Why would you bother putting that on this BB, RK? The left here that helped put this regime in power, have no negative views on the like of a Napolitano. Hey! This is one woman they can believe in, and who are we to be against her right to 'raise' the glass ceiling? Only sexists, homophobes and racists would complain about the fine job she is doing.

Besides, she learned from Kerry, the correct way to vote against anything is to have voted for it first, so much like the maligned and misunderstood 'independants' on this BB, we should be tolerant of their views, because they are neutral on these events. Just ask Roger, or DNF.

I can hardly wait for which will be the first to defend this poor woman, and condone the new restrictions on air travel, thinking that will resolve the problem one iota.

Until we get over being so damned PC about these jihadists among us, we will deserve what they do. A freedom loving society is easy pickings for the sincere hard-core criminal, or the brain-washed lunitic, that has nothing to live for but self- aggrandizement.

The PC have castrated and sissyfied the protection members we are supposed to place our faith in, so they are reluctant to stop any of the garbage that goes on in our society, for fear they will be the ones called on the carpet, and their professional life ruined.

Recently the main street press was all agog with the new numbers on how much crime has been reduced in our nation. NOT ONE DAMNED SELF-RIGHTEOUS REPORTER OF THAT STORY GOT THE REASON CORRECT!!! They had all sorts of interviews with other self-righteous authorities, who provided a mouthful of bullcrap. The obvious answer to the lowering of the crime rate is there have been more guns for private protection sold in the past year than in any single year in history. PLUS, there have been more "right-to-carry" passes issued than any other time.

If you lefties think this is an anomoly, better think again. It's time for the PC crowd to take a hike. It was a joke when it became popular, and now those that drank the koolaide think it's their right, but not in a nation of patriots and freedom lovers.

UB

dback
12-28-2009, 03:10 PM
Oh...you mean Homeland Security Secretary Janet Incompitano is struggling? We here in Arizona are simply shocked that you find our contribution to this administration inadequate :rolleyes: After all...she is the one that moved Border Patrol Agents from the southern to the northern border (those pesky Canadians) and deployed the National Guard on the border.....without buuulets (of course), so when they were approached by 'gun tote'n' Mexicano's....they had to flee in full and disorderly retreat.

Roger Perry
12-28-2009, 04:08 PM
The Administration is in over-thier-heads and haven't come to grasp the severity of the situation. After religious wack-job Hassan killed 13 people at Ft Hood, their immediate reaction was that this was not an act of religious terrorism. The fact is that we have evidence of his communications to a radical cleric in Yeman. That cleric encouraged the shootings at FT Hood. Bush/Cheney were far more pre-emptive in handling terrorist! At least the current administration snuffed the cleric and his henchman last week. Had we not and the information came out that the administration didn't act, the reprecussions would have been too much for O to handle. We need to let our intelligence agencies use all thier skills in keeping them in check.

The president, issuing a statement Monday during his holiday vacation in Honolulu, said U.S. authorities will not rest until they find everyone involved in the attack in Detroit and hold them accountable.

Yemeni forces, helped by U.S. intelligence, carried out two airstrikes against al-Qaida operatives in the country this month. The second one was a day before the attempted bombing of the plane.

What else would y'all like to be done? Invade Yemen and Nigeria?

Instead of criticizing, lets here your solutions on what needs to be done.

starjack
12-28-2009, 04:29 PM
have cheney replace janet INCOMPITANO

Franco
12-28-2009, 04:32 PM
The president, issuing a statement Monday during his holiday vacation in Honolulu, said U.S. authorities will not rest until they find everyone involved in the attack in Detroit and hold them accountable.

Yemeni forces, helped by U.S. intelligence, carried out two airstrikes against al-Qaida operatives in the country this month. The second one was a day before the attempted bombing of the plane.

What else would y'all like to be done? Invade Yemen and Nigeria?

Instead of criticizing, lets here your solutions on what needs to be done.

Those airstikes were because of the FT Hood murderer's ties to the cleric that encourged him to shoot innocent people last month. The killings that the O administration first said was not an act of terrorism.

What should we do? Take the handcuffs off our intelligence agancies that were placed on them by the current administration!

Roger Perry
12-28-2009, 04:40 PM
Lets see, a Nigerian citizen bought a round trip ticket in Yemen to Detroit which had a stop over in Amsterdam. Wouldn't it be the job of the Amsterdam security to find out if someone there boarding a plane breached security?

Uncle Bill
12-28-2009, 05:24 PM
Lets see, a Nigerian citizen bought a round trip ticket in Yemen to Detroit which had a stop over in Amsterdam. Wouldn't it be the job of the Amsterdam security to find out if someone there boarding a plane breached security?


There we go...if it's good enough for Roger, it's good enough for America. :shock:


UB...I knew Roger would be the winner. :rolleyes: heh heh heh heh

road kill
12-28-2009, 05:31 PM
Lets see, a Nigerian citizen bought a round trip ticket in Yemen to Detroit which had a stop over in Amsterdam. Wouldn't it be the job of the Amsterdam security to find out if someone there boarding a plane breached security?


No Roger it is not Amsterdams job to protect the USA'a citizens, it is President Obama's and his administration!!


rk

Roger Perry
12-28-2009, 05:37 PM
No Roger it is not Amsterdams job to protect the USA'a citizens, it is President Obama's and his administration!!


rk

Let's see, there are a billion Muslims in the world. 1 out of that billion decided to try to blow up an airplane. Odds are against us finding 1 person out of a billion don't you agree? Of course we could start exterminating every Muslim in the world and that would solve our problems wouldn't it?

By the way, Bush was real good at potecting USA's citizens on 9/11/2001 wasn't he?

road kill
12-28-2009, 05:56 PM
Let's see, there are a billion Muslims in the world. 1 out of that billion decided to try to blow up an airplane. Odds are against us finding 1 person out of a billion don't you agree? Of course we could start exterminating every Muslim in the world and that would solve our problems wouldn't it?

By the way, Bush was real good at potecting USA's citizens on 9/11/2001 wasn't he?
He did a pretty good job since 9/11 until your guy got in.


BTW--It's being reported this was not an "isolated" incident.

Al Queada (sp?)has claimed they did it.
He was on the Federal watch list and his father reported him as behaving suspiciously.

It was masterminded by 2 Yemeni's (both Quntanamo alumni).

This is not going to go in your party's favor RP, don't embarrass yourself trying.

You would do better insulting my spelling!!


rk

Hew
12-28-2009, 05:59 PM
Let's see, there are a billion Muslims in the world. 1 out of that billion decided to try to blow up an airplane. Odds are against us finding 1 person out of a billion don't you agree? Bullsh!t. The odds of finding that dude weren't one in a billion. In fact, they were considerably less and should have been about 1:1 given:
- the terrorist was a young man
- he was a Muslim
- he paid cash for his ticket
- his ticket was one-way
- he had no carry-on baggage (edit...he had no checked bags)
- he originated his flight from a muslim country
- he connected in a large euro city with a huge muslim population (I've read that it will soon be a majority)
- an eyewitness that was on the flight has said that he boarded his flight without a passport and talked his way on as a Sudanese refugee (they don't have passports)
- he was on a freakin' terrorist watch list!
- his dad notified the American embassy in Nigeria that his son was mixed up in al Qaeda BS!

A billion to one, eh? :rolleyes:

I don't blame Obama for this except for his continuation of Bush's and Norm Mineta's F'ed up, PC-driven travel policies that are designed more to avoid offending someone than protecting us. I will blame Obama from this point on, however, as he's taken Bush's f'ed up, PC-driven policies and made them even more absurd. Instead of profiling young Muslim men, Napalitano/Obama have decided that we'll all be safer (and much less offensive) if we make sure that blond haired, blue-eyed 10 year olds traveling with their mom, dad and brothers are treated like they could have a bomb in their panties and aren't allowed to piss, read a book in their lap, or have a blanket over them in the last hour of a flight. F'ing brilliant, Janet. I feel so much safer already.

By the way, Bush was real good at potecting USA's citizens on 9/11/2001 wasn't he? Your douchebaggery knows no limits.

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Golddogs
12-28-2009, 06:08 PM
I have a very good friend who works Homeland Security as well as many working for the airlines.

All agree we are pretty darn safe in the air......................but, as long as humans are doing the searches, mistakes and slips will occur.

In this case 3 major cock-ups happened.

1. He should have been flagged for a ticket paid for in cash.
2. He should have been wiped because of the flagging.
3. He should have been back scanned because of the flagging.

All of which should have occured at the Amsterdam security check points.
None of the errors were caused by the Bush or Obama administration, but by Amsterdam's version of TSA. I might also add that according to all of the above mentioned friends, Security at the Amsterdam airport is some of the best.

Shif happens, and the easy thing to do is lay blame at the feet of those you don't like. In this case, it is not justified. We should all be thankful that the IED failed and a tragic event did not happen.

JMO

dback
12-28-2009, 06:34 PM
Instead of criticizing, lets here your solutions on what needs to be done.

I purpose placing former defensive standout and team captain of the Arizona State University football team, Rich Davis, (currently working undercover as Gunner's Up owner) in charge of 'Homeland Security'. All I need do is log-on to their website and my entire sordid history instantly appears (and I only bought a damned 'winger')....think what that sucker could do with Homeland Security's budget......insert 'sarcasm' emoticon.


How's that for free advertising Rich???

K G
12-28-2009, 07:12 PM
Hew, you are my hero.....;-)

"Round trip ticket"....Roger, where is it again that you get your information? Or do you just make it up as you go along?


kg

Captain Mike D
12-28-2009, 07:55 PM
The System Failed

Pentaerythritol tetranitrate (PETN), the explosive Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab tried to detonate aboard Northwest Airlines flight 253, is among the most powerful of explosives in the world and was widely used to blow up airplanes in the 1970s and 1980s. The only reason the passengers of Flight 253 are still alive today is because Mr. Abdulmutallab’s syringe detonator failed for still unknown reasons.
Yet despite the facts that PETN is easily detected and Mr. Abdulmutallab’s father warned the U.S. embassy in Nigeria about his son this November, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano had the audacity to go on television yesterday and say “the system worked” and that the suspect was properly screened.

rk

The system worked cause a flippin FRENCHMAN jumped over his seat and wrestled the dude to the floor of the plane. Poor, poor Nigerian should be thankful since he was in the process of roasting his own chestnuts over an open fire.
Napolitano was busy figuring out how to tie up all the U.S. inteligence assets tracking newly retired military personel.

Holder was busy critiqueing the FBI, CIA, SEALS and Special Forces personel on how to properly read Miranda Rights to non US citizens who are at war with us.

These asses are a friggin joke!! and if you support them consider yourself as having been called an ass too!!!

Sundown49 aka Otey B
12-28-2009, 08:45 PM
Just for Roger, yardley and a few others........IF YOU THINK OBAMA is the answer..............you have asked a dumb question...........

Hew
12-29-2009, 07:47 AM
Here's the new security arrangements as announced on a flight yesterday: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5e7_1262034653

Whew! I thought for a minute there our govt. might have taken the easy way out and resorted to zany knee-jerk measures like profiling folks who have professed a desire to kill us.

Roger Perry
12-29-2009, 07:53 AM
He did a pretty good job since 9/11 until your guy got in.


rk

That is like closing the barn door after the horses got out don't you think?

I was just replying to your logic that the President Obama is responsible for the well being of the citizens of the United States. Here is your statement.

Originally Posted by road kill http://www.retrievertraining.net/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.retrievertraining.net/forums/showthread.php?p=542666#post542666)
No Roger it is not Amsterdams job to protect the USA'a citizens, it is President Obama's and his administration!!
rk

If it is Obama's job to protect the citizens of the United States now, wasn't it the responsibility of Bush and his administration to protect the citizens of the United States on 9/11/2001?

Next question, are we supposed to supply TSA to every airport in every city that has an airport in every country in the world? I guess you think that not only is President Obama responsible for the well being of American citizens, but you want him to be held accountable for every person on earth. If you think that, Obama must truly be the Messiah.

Roger Perry
12-29-2009, 08:05 AM
Hew, you are my hero.....;-)

"Round trip ticket"....Roger, where is it again that you get your information? Or do you just make it up as you go along?


kg

Nigerian plane bomber bought tickets in Ghana
. (http://thestatesmanonline.com/pages/author_stories.php?auth=.) , 29/12/2009
http://thestatesmanonline.com/images/storypics/plane-bomber-Umar-Farouk--001.jpgUmar Farouk
A Nigerian official says the man accused of trying to bring down a U.S. airliner bought his ticket with cash in Ghana eight days before the flight departed Nigeria.

Harold Demuren, the head of the Nigerian Civil Aviation Authority, says Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab's ticket came from a KLM office in Accra, Ghana. Demuren said Monday that Abdulmutallab bought the $2,831 round-trip ticket from Lagos, Nigeria, to Detroit via Amsterdam on Dec. 16.
http://thestatesmanonline.com/pages/news_detail.php?newsid=9292&section=1

http://www.mynorthwest.com/?nid=17&sid=262454

http://ktar.com/index.php?nid=46&sid=1247013

There is your answer Keith.:monkey:

Did I give you enough references or do you want more?

K G
12-29-2009, 08:47 AM
More, please.......:cool:

kg

road kill
12-29-2009, 08:53 AM
More, please.......:cool:

kg


More.......

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Sen-Dodd-D-Conn-slashed-aviation-security-funding-for-pet-constituency-80209967.html


:D:D:D

K G
12-29-2009, 08:55 AM
Hey, RK....that info is MUCH more important than the ticket this slug bought....where are your priorities???

;-).......................

kg

Roger Perry
12-29-2009, 09:32 AM
More, please.......:cool:

kg

Harold Demuren, the head of the Nigerian Civil Aviation Authority, said Abdulmutallab paid cash on Dec. 16 for the $2,831 round-trip ticket from Lagos, Nigeria, to Detroit via Amsterdam. He said Abdulmutallab's ticket came from a KLM office in Accra, Ghana.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34610850/ns/us_news-airliner_attack/

Or, Keith, you may believe this source:http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/28/security-reviews-way-airliner-attack/

Harold Demuren, the head of the Nigerian Civil Aviation Authority, says Abdulmutallab's ticket came from a KLM office in Accra, Ghana. Demuren said Monday that Abdulmutallab bought the $2,831 round-trip ticket from Lagos, Nigeria, to Detroit via Amsterdam on Dec. 16.

K G
12-29-2009, 10:50 AM
Okay, Roger...you didn't make that up...the slug bought a round trip ticket.

There. Glad we got that cleared up.

Now...which is more important to you: that he bought a round trip ticket, or that Janet Napolitano lacks the skill set necessary to be the head of Homeland Security?

kg

duckheads
12-29-2009, 11:07 AM
All's good in Roger's La La Land!

Julie R.
12-29-2009, 11:28 AM
No doubt this Nigerian muzzie terrorist will probably become a prison chaplain recruiting for the cause in the new, deluxe Mosque the administration is buying in Illinois so terrorists can be housed in luxury.

Umar Farouk will simply become another shining example of the muzzie-coddling of this administration....lil slap on the wrist, a press conference by the President claiming he or Janet Incompitano claiming he singlehandedly saved the plane, etc. (Remember the First Lady hates the French, because Sarkozy's wife is better looking than she is....ROFLMAO)

Uncle Bill
12-29-2009, 11:38 AM
(Remember the First Lady hates the French, because Sarkozy's wife is better looking than she is....ROFLMAO)



Now how can that be ANYTHING but racist???:rolleyes:

The truth of the matter is, Sarkozy is better looking than Obama's wife. When looking at her, it's hard to not believe in Darwinism.

The real sickening thing about this entire fiasco, is they have allowed this perp to lawyer up and be treated like a normal B&E crook. WTF is this nation becoming??? Don the turbin y'all, and start learning talk in Arabic, or whatever these jihadists use. Wonder if they allow teleprompters?

UB

zeus3925
12-29-2009, 11:57 AM
No Roger it is not Amsterdams job to protect the USA'a citizens, it is President Obama's and his administration!!


rk

Beg to differ with you RK! I have flown through Schipol and the Dutch give you the third degree at screening to the point of severe irritation. The point of departure is responsible for screening!