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subroc
01-12-2010, 10:15 AM
Scott Brown is running for the senate in Massachusetts. This exchange was great. He really left David Gergen sputtering. I expect he was looking for a Dan Quayle/Lloyd Bentsen debate moment. What he got was pretty much a Sister Souljah moment.

Gergen might have just given the election to Brown

Those from Massachusetts appear to have a choice.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJEEQHOnI2Q

road kill
01-12-2010, 10:35 AM
Wouldn't it be ironic if Ted Kennedy's old seat becomes the vote that defeats Nationalized Socialized Healthcare!!

After all, it was his lifelong dream!!:D

david gibson
01-12-2010, 10:51 AM
Wouldn't it be ironic if Ted Kennedy's old seat becomes the vote that defeats Nationalized Socialized Healthcare!!

After all, it was his lifelong dream!!:D

we can only hope.
Pelosi and her minions are plotting heavily to delay his confirmation until after the vote if he is elected. same old games..........

Hew
01-12-2010, 03:20 PM
We can tap our ruby slippers, rub out rabbit feet and have the Dali Lama himself pray for our cause and there ain't no way that a Republican is going to pick up that seat.

Uncle Bill
01-12-2010, 03:33 PM
We can tap our ruby slippers, rub out rabbit feet and have the Dali Lama himself pray for our cause and there ain't no way that a Republican is going to pick up that seat.


You know that, and I know that, BUT BUT BUT...isn't it fun to dream? Can you imagine the tsunami that would develope? After watching that debate, I thought he hit a home run. It was indeed about as satisfying as watching the Reagan/Carter debate.

UB

subroc
01-12-2010, 04:16 PM
We can tap our ruby slippers, rub out rabbit feet and have the Dali Lama himself pray for our cause and there ain't no way that a Republican is going to pick up that seat.

I agree. It was just a good moment and worth watching.

But...they have elected republican governors before. reminds me of the dumb and dumber line when Jim Carey...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX5jNnDMfxA&feature=related

ducknwork
01-12-2010, 05:18 PM
I like it!:D Maybe some folks in power are going to start waking up soon! (insert praying smiley here)

Jim Person
01-12-2010, 06:25 PM
I'm from Ma. and I think it will be very close... If we really want to send a message of change to DC then replacing Teddy with a R would send that message loud and clear. 2 votes from this household ... Jim

dixidawg
01-12-2010, 07:01 PM
From Rasmussen (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/massachusetts/election_2010_massachusetts_special_senate_electio n) today:

"A new Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of likely voters in the state finds Massachusetts Attorney General Martha Coakley attracting 49% of the vote while her Republican rival, state Senator Scott Brown, picks up 47%. "


Yesterday alone, Brown raised over $1.3 MILLION in an online fundraising campaign. (http://www.redinvadesblue.com/Moneybomb/Donate.html)

Brown support has be steadily increasing from being down double digits just a few weeks ago. He has some substantial momentum. This one is shaping up to be much closer than most anyone ever imagined.

subroc
01-12-2010, 07:17 PM
Bob/Jim

It should be an interesting few days. I think I will listen to Howie Carr for the next few days. He should have plenty to say.

That "it's the peoples seat" was a great line wasn't it?

Sundown49 aka Otey B
01-12-2010, 07:20 PM
Do you think if I went to ACORN and asked if I could vote for Coakley in Ma it would happen?
I could then do like Obama and lie and not vote for her and vote for Brown...May be a way to get Brown elected.kind of CROOKED but it would work maybe...I like the idea of a 41st vote against the health care bill.

YardleyLabs
01-12-2010, 07:25 PM
Democratic polls note that the race is too close to call with Republicans outspending Democrats by a substantial margin. Right now, a lot of companies are viewing the Massachusetts election as the easiest place to defeat health insurance reform.

subroc
01-12-2010, 07:32 PM
Sounds good. I hope they succeed in that defeat.

It will represent a great day in the United States. A clear message will be sent to the politicians telling them to stop looting the treasury.

road kill
01-12-2010, 07:33 PM
Democratic polls note that the race is too close to call with Republicans outspending Democrats by a substantial margin. Right now, a lot of companies are viewing the Massachusetts election as the easiest place to defeat health insurance reform.

I believe, and this is an opinion, that if the Republicans pull off a victory in MA it would be a bigger upset than the USA beating Russia in hockey.

And a GIANT wakeup call for a lot of Senators and Congressman that don't want to lose their jobs because of ideology!!

Just an opinion.
Maybe a hope as well.


rk

subroc
01-12-2010, 07:39 PM
We always hear from the media in these situations "it is a referendum vote" trying to place more on the particular election than it needs. We saw that in several of the mid-term races.

Not trying to over state it but, I think this would really be a referendum if Brown wins.

Raymond Little
01-12-2010, 08:33 PM
Hope and Change;)

paul young
01-12-2010, 09:15 PM
From Rasmussen (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/massachusetts/election_2010_massachusetts_special_senate_electio n) today:

"A new Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of likely voters in the state finds Massachusetts Attorney General Martha Coakley attracting 49% of the vote while her Republican rival, state Senator Scott Brown, picks up 47%. "


Yesterday alone, Brown raised over $1.3 MILLION in an online fundraising campaign. (http://www.redinvadesblue.com/Moneybomb/Donate.html)

Brown support has be steadily increasing from being down double digits just a few weeks ago. He has some substantial momentum. This one is shaping up to be much closer than most anyone ever imagined.

this is exactly why nothing is going to change! $1.3 million is a LIFETIME of paychecks for most families. RAISED IN 1 DAY! politicians have no connection to the mainstream wage earner. why should they? free health care for life, a great pension, paid travel expenses, $1,000 per plate fundraising dinners, etc. they are more than happy to let us eat cake!

how much money do you think these people are investing in their campaigns? whoever wins owes favors to too many individuals, special interest groups and corporations to pay back in 1 term, so the cycle gets repeated again and again and again......regardless of party affiliation.-Paul

Buzz
01-12-2010, 11:27 PM
Absolutely correct Paul.

And to top it off, the Supreme Court is about to make a ruling that will open the floodgates, allowing business to open their wallets and give unlimited funds to politicians.

subroc
01-12-2010, 11:57 PM
Realizing that both parties are corrupt...

I have no problem with who gives money to politicians. I have no problem with how much money anyone gives to a politician. I believe lobbyist provide a valuable service to those that they represent and both political parties (think NRA and DU).

I have a problem with transparency. Where did the money come from? I have a problem with earmarks. How are you, as a politician, looting the treasury? I have a problem with using legislation to buy votes (tailoring bribes or legislation so only one specific state qualifies for that money).

I believe that, coupled with the freedom that the supreme court is about to grant, politicians should create a high level of transparency. Just tell us where the money comes from.

We can make our own decisions on if we believe that a politician is being bought, is dis-honest or is just accepting money from their constituency with no strings attached.

Everything is about transparency. Follow the money…

Edbuck
01-13-2010, 09:28 AM
Two votes for Scott Brown from my house.

Buzz
01-13-2010, 10:59 AM
I would not be surprised to see the conservative win. The Democrats are completely demoralized after seeing their party in action during the healthcare reform debate. Obama promised them that a new day was dawning, that the people's interest would be represented, not the interests of the monied corporate special interests.

Obama campaigned for a public option.
He campaigned against Republicans denying the government the right to negotiate drug prices for medicare recipients.
He campaigned against mandates for people to buy health insurance.
He campaigned against taxing high end health plans.

What they got:

No public option.
No reimportation of prescription drugs.
Mandates for people to buy insurance.
A tax on high end health plans.

And this is only a fraction of the issues that have them up in arms.

It's going to be a bloody year for the Dems.

Uncle Bill
01-13-2010, 11:20 AM
I would not be surprised to see the conservative win. The Democrats are completely demoralized after seeing their party in action during the healthcare reform debate. Obama promised them that a new day was dawning, that the people's interest would be represented, not the interests of the monied corporate special interests.

Obama campaigned for a public option.
He campaigned against Republicans denying the government the right to negotiate drug prices for medicare recipients.
He campaigned against mandates for people to buy health insurance.
He campaigned against taxing high end health plans.

What they got:

No public option.
No reimportation of prescription drugs.
Mandates for people to buy insurance.
A tax on high end health plans.

And this is only a fraction of the issues that have them up in arms.

It's going to be a bloody year for the Dems.


That's quite a post, Buzz. Congratulations. You are beginning to see the light. Must be some Sodak rubbing onto you eh?

Whatever, what's happening in Washington HAS to be seen by any sane thinking American as pure socialism, and it's doubtful that real true Democrats are into allowing their nation to swing that far left.

UB

Eric Johnson
01-13-2010, 11:40 AM
What I look for is a close election with the MA Democratic machine stealing it a la Franken.

Candidly, the election won''t impact the healthcare vote because even if Croakly (sp?) were to lose, the Democratic machine will demand a recount. During that period which may last for months, the interim Senator will be in place and voting.

However, no matter which way the election turns, the Democratic party is running scared.

Eric

YardleyLabs
01-13-2010, 12:29 PM
What I look for is a close election with the MA Democratic machine stealing it a la Franken.

Candidly, the election won''t impact the healthcare vote because even if Croakly (sp?) were to lose, the Democratic machine will demand a recount. During that period which may last for months, the interim Senator will be in place and voting.

However, no matter which way the election turns, the Democratic party is running scared.

Eric
You've got to be kidding. Never has an election been scrutinized more thoroughly. The only reason the election was close was because Coleman was a complete fool. But he lost because more people voted for Franken than voted for Coleman and Coleman received a lot more in the form of due process than did the voters of Florida in 2000.

Eric Johnson
01-13-2010, 12:51 PM
You and I apparently read different newspapers.

Eric

duckheads
01-13-2010, 01:35 PM
same old stuff from the left. if the lame stream media says it enough people believe them. kind of like telling a lie for so long you begin to believe it really happened.

YardleyLabs
01-13-2010, 01:36 PM
You and I apparently read different newspapers.

Eric
You can see the decision in all of its detail at http://stmedia.startribune.com/documents/OPA090697-6030.pdf?elr=KArks8c7PaP3E77K_3c::D3aDhUxWoW_oD:Ea DUiacyKUUr

I actually followed the story in the Minneapolis Star Tribune. You can see their "bias" in their editorial endorsement of Norm Coleman at http://www.startribune.com/opinion/editorials/33243874.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD 3aPc:_Yyc:aULPQL7PQLanchO7DiUT

Their final story on the election outcome is at http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/senate/49520987.html?elr=KArks8c7PaP3E77K_3c::D3aDhUxWoW_ oD:EaDUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUUr

Eric Johnson
01-13-2010, 03:02 PM
I sort of stopped following the case as all the to-ing and fro-ing by both candidates required a personal knowlege or more time than I had.

Since the trial court didn't or wouldn't (meaningless differention now) listen to the issues of fact, the appellate court had little choice but to affirm and thus Coleman had no choice but to concede. The trial court was presented with countless episodes of procedures not being followed correctly and they said, "Who cares. The result was a good one."

What's interesting is that two of the Supreme Court justices were part of the canvassing process. That just doesn't make sense.

I apologize if I incorrectly identified Al Franken as somehow a criminal. He's merely a buffoon and I'm sorry the party of of Hubert Humphrey was reduced to such a selection.

Eric

YardleyLabs
01-13-2010, 03:21 PM
I sort of stopped following the case as all the to-ing and fro-ing by both candidates required a personal knowlege or more time than I had.

Since the trial court didn't or wouldn't (meaningless differention now) listen to the issues of fact, the appellate court had little choice but to affirm and thus Coleman had no choice but to concede. The trial court was presented with countless episodes of procedures not being followed correctly and they said, "Who cares. The result was a good one."

What's interesting is that two of the Supreme Court justices were part of the canvassing process. That just doesn't make sense.

I apologize if I incorrectly identified Al Franken as somehow a criminal. He's merely a buffoon and I'm sorry the party of of Hubert Humphrey was reduced to such a selection.

Eric
The two justices that were part of the canvass recused themselves from the appeal. The decision was made with a 5-0 vote of the remaining justices.

The ballots reviewed during the canvass included every single ballot challenged by either candidate (the bulk of challenges came from Coleman). interestingly, each of the challenged ballots was digitized and made available for public review as well. There wasn't a lot of guessing involved in determining intent in accordance with Minnesota election law.

Coleman's team expressed certainty that their candidate would win the recount and opposed efforts by the Franken campaign to broaden the areas of inquiry. They changed their tune when it became apparent they had lost. Ultimately, the argument of the Coleman campaign was that the only acceptable alternative was a new election since different election districts had different procedures and that the existence of such differences constituted unequal protection whether or not there was any sign of discrimination for or against any candidate. Of course, by that standard I doubt that there has ever been a fair election on the history of our country.

Eric Johnson
01-13-2010, 08:37 PM
My comment was that any damn fool would know that the case would arrive at the State Supreme Ct. For that reason, no State Supreme Ct justice should have been on the canvassing team. It just stands to reason that their job was on the Ct, not an ad hoc committee. Who's to say that the decision didn't go the way it did because those two weren't able to make an argument with their brethren.

Eric

YardleyLabs
01-13-2010, 10:15 PM
My comment was that any damn fool would know that the case would arrive at the State Supreme Ct. For that reason, no State Supreme Ct justice should have been on the canvassing team. It just stands to reason that their job was on the Ct, not an ad hoc committee. Who's to say that the decision didn't go the way it did because those two weren't able to make an argument with their brethren.

Eric
I don't know off hand how the decision was made to include the two on the canvassing board. However, both supported the findings of the board that Franken won, so it is unlikely that they would have been arguing for rejection of their own report. Two members of the canvassing board were republican, two independent, and one a democrat. I believe that the majority of the supreme court were republicans, and the Governor was a republican. I doubt that there are many states in the country that could have done as well under the scrutiny received in Minnesota. Certainly Florida failed completely by comparison when it had its moment of infamy.

Hew
01-14-2010, 07:26 AM
I just read that there's a 3rd person on the Mass. special election ballot...independent Joe Kennedy. That's some good fortune. How many thousands of Acorn voters, rounded up homeless folks and those enticed into the booth with a free pack of Kools will see the Kennedy name on the ballot and pull the lever based on name familiarity alone instead of voting for Coakley as they were instructed? Dang, some of ya'll have me believing that Brown might actually have a puncher's chance. :D

Keep hope alive!

Stay out da Bushes!

subroc
01-14-2010, 07:46 AM
I just read that there's a 3rd person on the Mass. special election ballot...independent Joe Kennedy. That's some good fortune. How many thousands of Acorn voters, rounded up homeless folks and those enticed into the booth with a free pack of Kools will see the Kennedy name on the ballot and pull the lever based on name familiarity alone instead of voting for Coakley as they were instructed? Dang, some of ya'll have me believing that Brown might actually have a puncher's chance. :D

Keep hope alive!

Stay out da Bushes!

:D chuckling :D

and his name is Joe to boot. Just too rich a coincidence. Those that you speak of will think it is the Hugo Chavez loving Joe Kennedy.

So you say there is a chance...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX5jNnDMfxA&feature=related

Eric Johnson
01-14-2010, 11:21 AM
Tsk, tsk....

******
http://redmassgroup.com/diary/6163/breaking-seiu-caught-using-state-resources-to-help-coakley-brown-says-75k750k-fine-appropriate

http://tinyurl.com/y97zdrb

Breaking: SEIU caught using state resources to help Coakley, Brown says $7.5M-$75M fine appropriate
by: Rob "EaBo Clipper" Eno
Wed Dec 16, 2009 at 16:32:13 PM EST

The SEIU will stop at nothing to obtain political power. Their latest misstep is staggering. They have admitted to Fox25 Boston that they illegally used state resources to campaign on behalf of Martha Coakley.

The e-mail, obtained by FOX25, raises questions about whether it violates laws barring the use of public resources for political activity. Within hours after the e-mail was sent to 7,500 employees on Thursday, Local 509 sent out another e-mail telling employees to "disregard" the previous message.

The union said in a statement to FOX25, "Local 509 accidentally sent an e-mail to its state employee members asking them to volunteer for the Martha Coakley for US Senate campaign. This clearly should not have been done and Local 509 regrets the error."

I find this hard to think this is an error. This was deliberate. The Scott Brown campaign has fired back.

The Brown campaign is asking for the SEIU to pay Civil Penalties of $1,000 to $10,000 per violation treating the emails as individual violations. There is legal precedence for this in the CAN-SPAM legislation. Every email is treated separately for the purposes of computing a fine in current federal anti-spam law.
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and also...

http://michellemalkin.com/2010/01/13/seiu-affiliated-union-endorses-scott-brown/

http://tinyurl.com/yzholfm

Eric

Buzz
01-14-2010, 11:43 AM
The horror...

Hew
01-14-2010, 05:29 PM
Our new friend Sambo is a Joe Kennedy voter. ;-)

subroc
01-14-2010, 06:46 PM
I just donated half a yard.

Good Luck Scott Brown.

dixidawg
01-14-2010, 08:38 PM
Tsk, tsk....

******
http://redmassgroup.com/diary/6163/breaking-seiu-caught-using-state-resources-to-help-coakley-brown-says-75k750k-fine-appropriate

http://tinyurl.com/y97zdrb

Breaking: SEIU caught using state resources to help Coakley, Brown says $7.5M-$75M fine appropriate
by: Rob "EaBo Clipper" Eno
Wed Dec 16, 2009 at 16:32:13 PM EST

The SEIU will stop at nothing to obtain political power. Their latest misstep is staggering. They have admitted to Fox25 Boston that they illegally used state resources to campaign on behalf of Martha Coakley.

The e-mail, obtained by FOX25, raises questions about whether it violates laws barring the use of public resources for political activity. Within hours after the e-mail was sent to 7,500 employees on Thursday, Local 509 sent out another e-mail telling employees to "disregard" the previous message.

The union said in a statement to FOX25, "Local 509 accidentally sent an e-mail to its state employee members asking them to volunteer for the Martha Coakley for US Senate campaign. This clearly should not have been done and Local 509 regrets the error."

I find this hard to think this is an error. This was deliberate. The Scott Brown campaign has fired back.

The Brown campaign is asking for the SEIU to pay Civil Penalties of $1,000 to $10,000 per violation treating the emails as individual violations. There is legal precedence for this in the CAN-SPAM legislation. Every email is treated separately for the purposes of computing a fine in current federal anti-spam law.
******************

and also...

http://michellemalkin.com/2010/01/13/seiu-affiliated-union-endorses-scott-brown/

http://tinyurl.com/yzholfm

Eric


I'm quite sure our Attorney General will be all over this and will prosecute to the fullest extent of the law.






Ohhh... wait..........

Jim Person
01-15-2010, 06:08 AM
latest suffolk univ poll. brown 50% coakley 46%... tuesday should be interesting.. Another note of interest,. In driving back and forth to work all I see is Brown signs,people standing on the side of the road holding Brown signs, and not one Coakley sign....... I can't watch TV until it's over. for Every Brown ad there is 3 or 4 Coakley ads bashing Brown... Everyone I talk to is sick of her ads, all false claims too.... As a local radio host says ,.they will say whatever they have to to get elected... they don't mean it.. it's just politics

Goose
01-15-2010, 03:45 PM
I think I read that Chokeley had a 31 point lead in November. And what a great name for a third party independent...Joe Kennedy:) That's great.

And now our Dear Leader has to waste his weekend to fly to Massachusetts to save the day for Chokeley!!!

If this race is indeed close next week and Brown wins by a 'few' votes just watch the demoncrats up there scramble to find fraudulent votes to get their gal elected...just like Minnesota.

Uncle Bill
01-15-2010, 04:13 PM
For those that haven't heard of Coakley before, here's an article penned recently by Ann Coulter that may be just 'another' reason some in that state find her repugnant. UB

In Tuesday's primary election, Massachusetts Democrats chose as their Senate nominee a woman who kept a clearly innocent man in prison in order to advance her political career.

Martha Coakley isn't even fit for the late Teddy Kennedy's old seat. (What is it about this particular Senate seat?)

During the daycare/child molestation hysteria of the '80s, Gerald Amirault, his mother, Violet, and sister, Cheryl, were accused of raping children at the family's preschool in Malden, Mass., in what came to be known as the second-most notorious witch trial in Massachusetts history.


The allegations against the Amiraults were preposterous on their face. Children made claims of robots abusing them, a "bad clown" who took the children to a "magic room" for sex play, rape with a 2-foot butcher knife, other acts of sodomy with a "magic wand," naked children tied to trees within view of a highway, and -- standard fare in the child abuse hysteria era -- animal sacrifices.

There was not one shred of physical evidence to support the allegations -- no mutilated animals, no magic rooms, no butcher knives, no photographs, no physical signs of any abuse on the children.

Not one parent noticed so much as unusual behavior in their children -- until after the molestation hysteria began.

There were no witnesses to the alleged acts of abuse, despite the continuous and unannounced presence of staff members, teachers, parents and other visitors at the school.

Not one student ever spontaneously claimed to have been abused. Indeed, the allegations of abuse didn't arise until the child therapists arrived.

Nor was there anything in the backgrounds of the Amiraults that fit the profile of sadistic, child-abusing monsters. Violet Amirault had started the Fells Acre Day School 18 years before the child molestation hysteria erupted.

Thousands of happy and well-adjusted students had passed through Fells Acres. Many returned to visit the school; some even attended Cheryl's wedding a few years before the inquisition began.

It's one thing to put a person in prison for a crime he didn't commit. It's another to put an entire family in prison for a crime that didn't take place.

In the most outrageous miscarriage of justice since the Salem witch trials, in July 1986, Gerald Amirault was convicted of raping and assaulting six girls and three boys and sentenced to 30 to 40 years in prison. The following year, Violet and Cheryl Amirault were convicted of raping and assaulting three girls and a boy and were sentenced to 8 to 20 years.

The motto of the witch-hunters was "Believe the Children!" But the therapists resolutely refused to believe the children as long as they denied being abused. As the police advised the parents: In cases of child abuse, "no" can mean "yes."

To the children's credit, they held firm to their denials for heroic amounts of time in the face of relentless questioning.

But as copious research in the wake of the child abuse cases has demonstrated, small children are highly suggestible. It's surprisingly easy to implant false memories into young minds by simply asking the same questions over and over again.

Indeed, the interviewing techniques in the Amirault case were so successful that the children also made accusations against three other teachers, two imaginary people named "Mr. Gatt" and "Al" and even against the child therapist herself -- the one claim of abuse that was provably true.

But only the Amiraults were put on trial for any alleged acts of abuse.

Coakley wasn't the prosecutor on the original trial. What she did was worse.

At least the original prosecutors, craven and ambition-driven though they were, could claim to have been caught up in the child abuse panic of the '80s. There had not yet been extensive psychological studies on the suggestibility of small children. A dozen similar cases from around the country had not already been discredited and the innocent freed.

Of all the men and women falsely convicted during the child molestation hysteria of the '80s, by 2001, only Gerald Amirault still sat in prison. Even his sister and mother had been released after serving eight years in prison for crimes that never occurred.

In July 2001, the notoriously tough Massachusetts parole board voted unanimously to grant Gerald Amirault clemency. Although the parole board is not permitted to consider guilt or innocence, its recommendation said: "(I)t is clearly a matter of public knowledge that, at the minimum, real and substantial doubt exists concerning petitioner's conviction."

Immediately after the board's recommendation, The Boston Globe reported that Gov. Jane Swift was leaning toward accepting the board's recommendation and freeing Amirault.

Enter Martha Coakley, Middlesex district attorney. Gerald Amirault had already spent 15 years in prison for crimes he no more committed than anyone reading this column did. But Coakley put on a full court press to keep Amirault in prison simply to further her political ambitions.

By then, every sentient person knew that Amirault was innocent. But instead of saying nothing, Coakley frantically lobbied Gov. Jane Swift to keep him in prison to show that she was a take-no-prisoners prosecutor, who stood up for "the children." As a result of Coakley's efforts -- and her contagious ambition -- Gov. Swift denied Amirault's clemency.

Thanks to Martha Coakley, Gerald Amirault sat in prison for another three years.

Remember all that talk about President Bush shredding constitutional rights? Overzealous liberal prosecutors and feminist do-gooders allowed Gerald Amirault to sit in prison for 18 years for crimes that didn't exist -- except in the imaginations of small children under the influence of incompetent child "therapists."

Martha Coakley allowed her ambition to trump basic human decency as she campaigned to keep a patently innocent man in prison.

Anyone with the smallest sense of justice cannot vote to put this woman in any office. If you absolutely cannot vote for a Republican on Jan. 19, 2010, write in the name "Gerald Amirault."

subroc
01-15-2010, 04:21 PM
brooming the Winfield child rape (with a curling iron) case might be her mosr egregious action.

subroc
01-16-2010, 09:31 PM
The hits just keep on comin'

http://wbztv.com/local/coakley.schilling.yankees.2.1430657.html


http://michellemalkin.cachefly.net/michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/curt.jpg

subroc
01-17-2010, 04:36 PM
a boston globe article:

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2010/01/15/race_is_in_a_spinout/

dixidawg
01-17-2010, 04:41 PM
White House predicting Coakley defeat?????


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eO-Sv9lASVE

YardleyLabs
01-17-2010, 04:55 PM
I've been receiving an average of three email messages per day from various Democratic groups asking for support for Coakley's campaign to help stave off defeat. Thus has been going on for two weeks now so I think the situation is seen as being very serious. An interesting aspect is that Gallup, which shows the Senate race neck and neck, shows the same voters as supporting Obama and the health care plan by pretty significant majorities. Coakley appears to have alienated a large number of Massachusetts voters.

dixidawg
01-17-2010, 05:00 PM
There have been virtually non stop negative ads on TV and radio the lsst week or so from Coakley. Extremely negative. Many people I've talked to say they are way over the line and would not vote for Coakley because of them. Lots of money is being spent in this last week, and it may be backfiring.

Jim Person
01-17-2010, 07:03 PM
If Brown loses by only a few points it will be a big wake up call. But when he wins, after Obama came to Coakleys side, It will be all over for Obama politically.Health care reform will be dead in it's tracks, No doubt he will be a 1 term wonder. I really can't wait until Weds, when I can start watching TV again without all the negative coakley ads, everyone I talk withhates the neg ads..and alot have made up their minds because of the ads Jim

AllieCat
01-17-2010, 07:12 PM
I held signs for Scott Brown yesterday, at a local restaurant in Newburyport, Mass, that Martha had on her schedule. There were approx. 50 - 60 Scott Brown supporters and maybe 1/2 dozen on her side.
Again today, downtown Newburyport, 100+ very enthusiastic Scott Brown supporters and not a single Martha sign in the downtown area. There were two Martha supporters on a main road into the downtown, but that was all. The reception from drive bys, was by far, in support of Scott, judging by the signs, shouts, and thumbs up we recieved.
Looking over the crowd of supporters, ages were from the young to the seniors, which tells us that it is not a single age group that is disgusted with the direction the people in Washington are taking this country. It was interesting to note that quite a few folks had driven from states such as New Hampshire and Maine to show their support for Scott.
Personally, I don't think Scott is just going to squeak by. His WIN is going to send a STRONG message for those in D.C to smarten up and listen to those who elected them.

Senator Scott Brown-the shot heard round the world!

AllieCat

road kill
01-17-2010, 07:16 PM
Here is my question.
President Obama carried MA by 31%....31%!!

Do you think that many people were bamboozled enough to vote for him and now realize it's all "hoax & chains?"

If so....would you kindly ask those folks to think it through next time?

Or, is Brown gonna get clobbered because there are just too many under the"Big tent?"



BTW-Team Elvis sent Scott Brown $50, not much, but we hope it helps.



rk

AllieCat
01-17-2010, 07:33 PM
Thanks Team Elvis! $50.00 is well appreciated and it is interesting to note that in one day, Scott recieved over 1 million in donations with a majority of those being less than $50.00. That shows it is the average American, not big interest, funding much of his campaign. The same day he was recieving these donations, Mad Martha was in D.C attending a $10,000.00 a plate fundraiser for her. Not the average Joe donating there.
Today our President flew in to attend a rally at NorthEastern University for Martha. Go to YouTube and type in Obama Coakley Mass Rally Heckler for a video where you can hear the heckler that spoiled the fun for almost three minutes.
None of our local news stations deemed it importent enough to mention tonight, so yes, the big machine is still in action.

AllieCat

M&K's Retrievers
01-17-2010, 11:31 PM
White House predicting Coakley defeat?????


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eO-Sv9lASVE

Maybe there is a Santa Clause

dnf777
01-18-2010, 06:22 AM
MK,
I couldn't get to your link, and have only been following this MA race from a distance, but I must agree with your comment. If Coakley is the best candidate the dems could find, or the one they thought was best, then there has been a huge gift from Santa!

The only downside for the republicans is that they really cannot say this was a referendum or a republican surge, so much as dems just putting forth the absolute worst, unqualified candidate possible. This is gonna be like the RedSox beating a local high-school team, and calling it a victory.

I've come to the realization that big business and corporations not only write bills for congress, but have much more control over our gov't than I had ever imagined. It does not make a difference WHO's in power, nothing happens that doesn't benefit the ultra rich. (by rich, I don't mean over 250k/year) Most on this list were worried we'd have gov't run health care last year. Do we? Are we even close? No. We have a bill that will benefit private insurance companies, and continue to protect pharmaceutical companies, and stick it to the docs and nurses, while tossing a diminutive bone to the working guy, so that they can brag about how much they've done for you.

Think about it honestly; the democrats aren't dead. If they allow a republican to sit in Ted Kennedy's seat, to me that shows total apathy and resignation towards our political system. I'm even glad to see that at least the republicans seem invigorated, but then again, they've always been in favor of big business, so this isn't a real change, but a good underdog rally that appears to be successful.

subroc
01-18-2010, 06:54 AM
...The only downside for the republicans is that they really cannot say this was a referendum or a republican surge, so much as dems just putting forth the absolute worst, unqualified candidate possible. This is gonna be like the RedSox beating a local high-school team, and calling it a victory...


However you want to parse it, however you want to understate it, If Scott Brown wins tomorrow, it will be the political equivalent of the earth shifting on its axis.

dnf777
01-18-2010, 07:12 AM
I disagree. That would be the case if the dems had a viable candidate, but it looks like they got her from an ad in the back of a comic book. Two things are certain: the residing party will lose seats in the mid-term elections, and two, the minority will claim that moves the earth on its axis.
This is like a Seinfeld episode: a show about nothing. What does Scott stand for? His only platform (from what we see here) is he's against health reform. Ok, what is he FOR? Personally, I hope he wins. I'm not sending $50, but I hope he wins.

Hew
01-18-2010, 07:31 AM
The only downside for the republicans is that they really cannot say this was a referendum or a republican surge, so much as dems just putting forth the absolute worst, unqualified candidate possible. This is gonna be like the RedSox beating a local high-school team, and calling it a victory.
Somebody was a good boy and swallowed their DNC-inspired pablum in one bite.

subroc
01-18-2010, 07:41 AM
Dave

You can disagree all you want. It is a political reality; this is a massive referendum, at the least on health care, but really on the democrat party. Nationally, the standard bearer of liberalism and the democrat party has always been Massachusetts. Coakley had a 31% lead the first week of November. For the Senate to move to the right with a Massachusetts senate seat is a huge event. Some seats are expected to be in play but Massachusetts seats don’t fall into that group. Understate it all you want, this is a big deal.

BTW, Scott Brown has a full platform. While you haven’t heard it because nationally the only immediate issue that matters as far as this election goes is heath care.

road kill
01-18-2010, 08:05 AM
I disagree. That would be the case if the dems had a viable candidate, but it looks like they got her from an ad in the back of a comic book. Two things are certain: the residing party will lose seats in the mid-term elections, and two, the minority will claim that moves the earth on its axis.
This is like a Seinfeld episode: a show about nothing. What does Scott stand for? His only platform (from what we see here) is he's against health reform. Ok, what is he FOR? Personally, I hope he wins. I'm not sending $50, but I hope he wins.
No, this is exactly what it is.
The arrogance and smugness of the secular progressives running that party has overstayed it's welcome.
They thought that any lefty would be a slam dunk.
If they didn't care why did President Obama go there?
For a quick get a way??

They have vastly underestimated who runs America.....the people!
This is a referendum on Nationalized Socialized Healthcare!!
Pure & simple.



rk

dnf777
01-18-2010, 08:08 AM
Ok, its a referendum on the democratic party. We're in the midst of TWO referendums then, as the one on the republicans is still in full swing.

When are we the people going to stage a referendum on big corporations that are running us into this mess?? Many thought '06 and '08 were just that. Some thought the Clinton mid-terms where just that? When are we gonna wise-up and see that BOTH parties are in the pockets of the oil, pharma, health, food industry??? Dems and repubs are too busy fighting amonst themselves to see who is running away with the Winchester. (very old movie reference, from a Jimmy Stewart fan)

paul young
01-18-2010, 08:24 AM
i'm SURE this will change EVERYTHING.......

when either Coakley or Brown wins the election, they will be afforded the absolute finest health care available for life, while the rest of fend for ourselves. kind of makes it easy for either of them to vote whichever way they want. as once was said, "let them eat cake". or as we say at my workplace, "thanks for coming to the co^k and cake party; too bad you got here too late. we're out of cake".

somehow it seems obscene to me that candidates, election commitees and the donors themselves will spend millions and millions of dollars to get "their man or their woman" elected to a job that pays $174,000 dollars per year. do you think they expect preferential treatment for their donation? i don't think they do it just because they like to write checks!

ask the same people to help truly needy fellow americans, or upgrade educational institutions, fund improved sewage plants, etc. and the whining starts.-Paul

subroc
01-18-2010, 08:34 AM
Dave

This is just that, a referendum on big corporations. After all, Martha Coakley attended a rally in Washington just last week that was attended by a significant number of lobbyists that had clients of the health care industry.

This looks like a clear message is being sent to me. It is interesting how the democrat is in the health care industry pocket and the republican is fighting for the middle class.

Maybe the earth has actually shifted on its axis.

dnf777
01-18-2010, 08:35 AM
Somebody was a good boy and swallowed their DNC-inspired pablum in one bite.

Gotta admit, had to look that one up! Thanks Hew, learned a new word today. ;-)

On the merit of your post, I wholeheartedly disagree though. If my observation coincides with the DNCs, so be it, but that is all my assessment, from what little I have seen of this bozo. (bozette?) If that's the best they could come up with, they're in trouble! We'll only know its true significance in retrospect. If the trend continues, then it will have been significant. If not, well then...BFD.

Happy MLKjr Day,
Dave

subroc
01-18-2010, 08:40 AM
i'm SURE this will change EVERYTHING.......

when either Coakley or Brown wins the election, they will be afforded the absolute finest health care available for life, while the rest of fend for ourselves. kind of makes it easy for either of them to vote whichever way they want. as once was said, "let them eat cake". or as we say at my workplace, "thanks for coming to the co^k and cake party; too bad you got here too late. we're out of cake".

somehow it seems obscene to me that candidates, election commitees and the donors themselves will spend millions and millions of dollars to get "their man or their woman" elected to a job that pays $174,000 dollars per year. do you think they expect preferential treatment for their donation? i don't think they do it just because they like to write checks!

ask the same people to help truly needy fellow americans, or upgrade educational institutions, fund improved sewage plants, etc. and the whining starts.-Paul

Well, Paul, I don't expect anything for my donation. You can ask Road Kill if he expects anything for his.

dixidawg
01-18-2010, 08:41 AM
I disagree. That would be the case if the dems had a viable candidate, but it looks like they got her from an ad in the back of a comic book. Two things are certain: the residing party will lose seats in the mid-term elections, and two, the minority will claim that moves the earth on its axis.
This is like a Seinfeld episode: a show about nothing. What does Scott stand for? His only platform (from what we see here) is he's against health reform. Ok, what is he FOR? Personally, I hope he wins. I'm not sending $50, but I hope he wins.



Coakley is an old school, well connected Dem that is and has been a large part of the "machine" here. The attitude was that there was no need to even campaign, after all it was Teddy's seat. Once they realized that they were in trouble, the NON STOP horrific negative ads began. There is NOTHING that tells us why to vote for Coakley, only why Brown is the devil incarnate. Even lifelong Democrats are very turned off by it.

The state is broke. The country is rapidly going broke. Many of the folks that I have been talking to are sick of this. The fact that the race is even close is only partly because Coakley ran such a lousy campaign. A large part is the fact that many many people are just not buying what is being sold.

Even here in the most liberal of states, the majority of the people are against Obamacare and are realizing the consequences of one party Gov't control,,,,, and the dirty deeds done to keep that control.

road kill
01-18-2010, 08:48 AM
Well, Paul, I don't expect anything for my donation. You can ask Road Kill if he expects anything for his.
Yeah, I do, I want my country back!!


rk

road kill
01-18-2010, 08:49 AM
I disagree. That would be the case if the dems had a viable candidate, but it looks like they got her from an ad in the back of a comic book. Two things are certain: the residing party will lose seats in the mid-term elections, and two, the minority will claim that moves the earth on its axis.
This is like a Seinfeld episode: a show about nothing. What does Scott stand for? His only platform (from what we see here) is he's against health reform. Ok, what is he FOR? Personally, I hope he wins. I'm not sending $50, but I hope he wins.

I listened to President Obama's speech about her, the way he tells it she is one of the most accomplished politicians in all of MA!!!

She is the only one suitable for the position and he has fully endorsed her!!

Uh Oh!!


rk

K G
01-18-2010, 08:49 AM
Just what the world needs, RK...more "accomplished politicians"....:rolleyes:

I heard a statement that Democrats outnumber Republicans three to one in Massachusetts. A Republican win tomorrow would be a watershed moment in the return of the Republican party in this country. It would give inestimable momentum to the movement for "improvement" in the lot of our country starting in Nov. '10.

If Oakley wins, ho-hum....same 'ole same 'ole....just puts of that improvement for a few months...;-)

kg

M&K's Retrievers
01-18-2010, 09:20 AM
MK,
I couldn't get to your link........ .

Wasn't my link, but I did get it to work.

M&K's Retrievers
01-18-2010, 09:23 AM
Last I checked, Brown hasn't won yet. Hope so but there is something about counting chickens...

subroc
01-18-2010, 09:31 AM
I use the word "if" in post 54.

Gerry Clinchy
01-18-2010, 09:31 AM
What does Scott stand for? His only platform (from what we see here) is he's against health reform.

What I heard him say was that he was against this particular mish-mash reform that is currently proposed ... that it should be re-done from the ground up. That is more reasonable to the voters than being against any health reform.


I listened to President Obama's speech about her,

I laughed when I heard him say that Coakley "has your back. Brown has Wall Street's back." Geez! Who was it that cut the deals for Wall Street?


This is gonna be like the RedSox beating a local high-school team, and calling it a victory.


Dave, just can't resist :-) ... is this also how Obama got to be President? The other candidate was not the best the Rs could have chosen & then ran such a lackluster campaign?

OTOH, I heard someone liken a Brown win to the US beating the Russians at Olympic ice hockey in the "Miracle on Ice."


We have a bill that will benefit private insurance companies, and continue to protect pharmaceutical companies, and stick it to the docs and nurses, while tossing a diminutive bone to the working guy, so that they can brag about how much they've done for you.


Who would be responsible for bowing to the special interests to produce this piece of legislative junk?


The state is broke.

The polls seem to show that while the MA electorate opposes Fed health care (at least as currently proposed), they really like the MA health care program. They may have failed to note that it is breaking the bank for MA.

paul young
01-18-2010, 09:34 AM
glad to see you are all comfortable with the status quo of our election process.

when we as a people will throw many millions of dollars down the drain to elect a career politician we are not broke, by the way. and this goes on in every state, during every election. we are enablers! what might those millions accomplish if they were spent on infrastructure , education and all the other services that make America great?

if the people running for election had to fund their own campaign we would have people who actually wanted to SERVE, rather than people who want to make a career debating, posturing, and ultimately doing what they want, rather than what their constituents want.

how many of you have been directly canvassed by your legislators concerning the proposed health care bills put forth by the House and Senate? i have not. nor do i know anyone who has. make a "contribution" and you'll have their ear, though! -Paul

dnf777
01-18-2010, 10:06 AM
Many of the folks that I have been talking to are sick of this.

If you had talked to me, I would have told you I was sick of it in 2002. Many people seem to "get sick" only when the opposing party is in office, rather then when trillions of dollars of debt were ran up by their boy. Not to dig up old bones, but if anyone thinks the controls should be given back to republicans, they need a little reminder and a little dose of reality. Democrats are not solely to blame for the mess we're in right now. And that's putting it lightly. I don't argue with you post.

Where the hell is the third party, independent candidate?????

subroc
01-18-2010, 10:13 AM
...if the people running for election had to fund their own campaign...

There is/has been much debate about how campaigns should be funded. I believe there was even some legislation called “campaign finance reform” also known as McCain-Feingold. This legislation gave rise to these 527s that in actuality allowed for the funneling of even more money into campaigns.

In your example, only the wealthiest could run and win.

I believe transparency as a first step in any solution to campaign finance reform and your solution as the very worst one.

I would rather follow the money.

dnf777
01-18-2010, 10:14 AM
Dave, just can't resist :-) ... is this also how Obama got to be President? The other candidate was not the best the Rs could have chosen & then ran such a lackluster campaign?


Fair enough. I think Obama's presidency is the result of a "perfect storm". Notwithstanding Harry Reid's comments, he was a well-polished candidate who presented himself very well, the voters were desperate for a change from big spending, big gov't, corporate ties, and the economy was tanking, which always disfavors the incumbent party.

Throw in the fact McCain would be the oldest elected president with a history of cancer, and "he" chose a brain-dead ideologue as the number two spot, and you lose. (I think that was an oxymoron)

Maybe it was all a brilliant scheme by RNC leadership to have a democrat in office when all their $#!t hits the fan, to take the fall? ;-)

Anyway, a Coakley loss may be good in the short term, but bad in the long term if it serves as a wake-up call for apathetic democrats.

paul young
01-18-2010, 10:23 AM
There is/has been much debate about how campaigns should be funded. I believe there was even some legislation called “campaign finance reform” also known as McCain-Feingold. This legislation gave rise to these 527s that in actuality allowed for the funneling of even more money into campaigns. In your example, only the wealthiest could run and win.I believe transparency as a first step in any solution to campaign finance reform and your solution as the very worst one.
I would rather follow the money.

only the wealthiest win now. gotta have a big war chest.....

but then you owe the contributors "favors"....-Paul

WRL
01-18-2010, 10:43 AM
..........., the voters were desperate for a change from big spending, big gov't, corporate ties, and the economy was tanking, which always disfavors the incumbent party.



And a year into Obama's term we have less of which? With all his proposed spending and the fact the gov't now owns some banks, auto makers and God knows what else, point to exactly which of these you see being "less or smaller" on the close horizon??

WRL

Sundown49 aka Otey B
01-18-2010, 12:14 PM
Just for the fun of it what do you think would happen if someone told the House and Senate they were going to have a "Retreat" and load them up on a plane and send them down to Gitmo:o. While on their "Retreat" have them questioned about whose pockets they are in:rolleyes:. The ones that are "dirty" just keep them there. How many do you think will be coming back to the States?;-) Just think we would have a bunch of new episodes of the TV show about DUMB crooks.......LOL.
Seriously I am proud of the people of MA for at least listening to what is being said and not being "sheeped" into voting the party lines. I thought this country had learned something when Carter was elected but apparently not. I just hope that Obama is a "one and done" president. I grew up a staunch Democrat but I was left by them when they went Left. I am now an Independent because I want the FREEDOM to vote for the best candidate for the jub. I listened to an interview with a PA Representative this morning talking about how TRANSPARENT the debate over Health Care was....I didn't find it on CSPAN...wonder why? Well off my soapbox again......

dixidawg
01-18-2010, 12:14 PM
only the wealthiest win now. gotta have a big war chest.....

but then you owe the contributors "favors"....-Paul

Brown raised $1.3 million in one day in a web campaign. The vast majority of the money donated was from individuals that contributed less than $100 each.

Buzz
01-18-2010, 12:54 PM
Brown raised $1.3 million in one day in a web campaign. The vast majority of the money donated was from individuals that contributed less than $100 each.

How does this square with what you're saying?

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/3278/browncontributions2.gif

subroc
01-18-2010, 12:59 PM
what does that pie chart even mean?

1.3 million from over 16000 donors.

Feel free to do the math.

dixidawg
01-18-2010, 01:13 PM
How does this square with what you're saying?

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/3278/browncontributions2.gif


I have absolutely no idea what you are trying to say with that chart.

david gibson
01-18-2010, 01:15 PM
all i know is this is the most exciting out-of-state political race i can recall -plenty of drama and so much at stake.....

GO BROWN!!!

subroc
01-18-2010, 01:21 PM
Bob


Without actually knowing what he is trying to show, it appears that those that actually contributed to Scott Brown fall into a variety of earning groups from the $24,000.00 a year homemaker to the Professional/Business Executives/Wall Street/Finance group that make in the neighborhood of $100,000.00 a year. This is illustrative that the Republican Party is now the party of the middle class. Unless it means something else to Buzz.

So while Scott Brown was receiving less than $100.00 per individual, Martha Coakley was at a Washington fundraiser reported to be $1000.00 per ticket with some at $10,000.00 and attended by lobbyist for the healthcare industry.

I believe the misconception that democrats represent the common man is being firmly put to rest.

dixidawg
01-18-2010, 01:44 PM
And they would all be individuals :confused:

BonMallari
01-18-2010, 01:58 PM
going to be interesting to see if any of the Black Panther "thugs" that showed up at polling places during the last election appear tomorrow...

I know that people are making this out to be a referendum on the current administration, but I hope that the Commonwealth of Mass. has their voices heard and their needs are met...Here's hoping for a fair and just election, free of voter fraud and controversy

dixidawg
01-18-2010, 02:01 PM
This is how Martha raises money:

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t215/dixidawg/coakleyfundraiser.jpg

subroc
01-18-2010, 02:10 PM
WoW!!!!

That pretty much illustrates the tale of the tape.

BTW, what that was supposed to be was a purchase a senator dinner, in actuality, a payoff for legislative support event. She was expected to be anointed and not have had to battle to get elected. How the mighty have fallen.

dixidawg
01-18-2010, 02:17 PM
Even moreso if you google some of the names. :cool:

ducknwork
01-18-2010, 02:18 PM
Better be some damn good food at that joint.:shock:

dixidawg
01-18-2010, 02:25 PM
It just goes to show you that the Mass congressional delagation is bought and paid for.

A little homework can tell you who is doing the paying.....

Buzz
01-18-2010, 02:45 PM
Bob


Without actually knowing what he is trying to show, it appears that those that actually contributed to Scott Brown fall into a variety of earning groups from the $24,000.00 a year homemaker to the Professional/Business Executives/Wall Street/Finance group that make in the neighborhood of $100,000.00 a year. This is illustrative that the Republican Party is now the party of the middle class. Unless it means something else to Buzz.



Absolutely incorrect.

You think that people on Wall Street make in the neighborhood of $100 K?

Really?

This is a tabulation of where Scott Brown's money came from on the most recent 3 days (when the article was written anyway). The amounts given is the total collected from those groups over those 3 days. From the article:


According to a ThinkProgress analysis of Brown’s latest Federal Elections Commission disclosures (part 1, part 2, part 3), filed on Jan. 8 and 11, business executives and Wall Street executives have lavished Brown’s campaign coffers with 11th hour contributions:

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/01/15/wallst-scott-brown/

The three days of contributions, the raw numbers are here:

http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/brown1.pdf
http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/brown2.pdf
http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/brown3.pdf

Notice the number of entries for CEO and Banker, or Investment Banking, with addresses NY, NY.

dixidawg
01-18-2010, 02:55 PM
Yeah,

Those folks at thinkprogress have no agenda at all and merely want to tell the truth. They found a relative handful of contributors out of 16,000 in one day.

I can't wait to see their analysis of Coakley's contributions!

Buzz
01-18-2010, 02:57 PM
Yeah,

Those folks at thinkprogress have no agenda at all and merely want to tell the truth. They found a relative handful of contributors out of 16,000 in one day.

I can't wait to see their analysis of Coakley's contributions!

No, it's the most recent 3 days of fundraising.

The raw numbers are there.

They linked the copies of the actual reports from the Brown campaign.

You can add them up yourself.

If you don't like the message, then shoot the messenger I guess.

I'm positive that those bankers with NY addresses have the working man's best interest in mind when they donate the maximum.

subroc
01-18-2010, 03:11 PM
If you couple the wealthy donors with the rest of the 16000 that donated it illustrates that this is a real grass roots movement.

Hew
01-18-2010, 03:18 PM
I'm positive that those bankers with NY addresses have the working man's best interest in mind when they donate the maximum.
Buzz, can you show us one previous post of yours, just ONE, where you mentioned any concern about Obama receiving nearly twice as much in campaign contributions as McCain from those bankers with the NY, NY addresses? Or maybe you've got a post of yours, just one, where you were wringing your hands that Obama received four times (4 X) the money McCain did from lobbyists and lawyers. You being so concerned about the working man's best interest and all, there's probably a treasure trove of posts with you ringing the warning bell about all that fatcat banker and lobbyist money the DNC was rakin' in last election, right?

I'll anxiously hold my breath waiting for all those examples............

dixidawg
01-18-2010, 03:35 PM
Wow.

Some people from New York donated the max.

I still don't get your point. The VAST majority were from working stiffs that don't want the agenda that is currently being pushed.

Raw numbers:

16,000 donations
$1,300,000 collected

$81.25 per donation.

How many $10 and $20 dollar donations made by American citizens did it take to average out those "bankers max donations"?

Are you not concerned AT ALL with the Coakley fundraiser? Did you google any of the names there? Lot of average Joe's there.....



The bottom line is that Brown has done as well as he has because a LOT of average Americans believe what he is saying. They feel they have NOT had a voice in what has been happening in Washington recently and see the Brown candidacy as a way to restore at least a small bit of balance.

I've lived in Massachusetts all my life. A month ago, I wouldn't have given Brown a snowball's chance in hell. We haven't had a Republican Senator since something like 1972. Our entire Congressional delegation is Democrat. Our state legislature is > 90% Democrat, and has been for as long as I can remember. Remember George McGovern?

Something has changed. There is a genuine groundswell here among Democrats and Independents. There aren't enough Republicans to make any difference at all. Something like 11% of Mass residents are Republican. His support is coming from Independents and Democrats. I know of quite a few lifelong Democrats that have NEVER voted for anything with an "R" after their name that sent Brown money and will be voting for him.

You can try to rationalize it all away by believing it is being driven by big corporate money. Or that Coakley ran a lousy campaign. Or whatever other thing you want. You would be wrong.

Whether Brown wins or loses tomorrow, the game has changed.

Sundown49 aka Otey B
01-18-2010, 03:51 PM
While out training I had a strange thought. If what I posted earlier was to have come about just think how many SPECIAL elections we could be talking about. I also thought about who would be a good person asking the questions... When I was in Viet Nam we had a Korean Captain that sure could get some good intel........LOl. Course it took him a few to get the rest talking.........nO BIG LOSS..

subroc
01-18-2010, 04:07 PM
go get em' Bob...

dnf777
01-18-2010, 04:13 PM
Bob


Without actually knowing what he is trying to show, it appears that those that actually contributed to Scott Brown fall into a variety of earning groups from the $24,000.00 a year homemaker to the Professional/Business Executives/Wall Street/Finance group that make in the neighborhood of $100,000.00 a year. This is illustrative that the Republican Party is now the party of the middle class. Unless it means something else to Buzz.

So while Scott Brown was receiving less than $100.00 per individual, Martha Coakley was at a Washington fundraiser reported to be $1000.00 per ticket with some at $10,000.00 and attended by lobbyist for the healthcare industry.

I believe the misconception that democrats represent the common man is being firmly put to rest.

I can only assume you were enamored with Obama's campaign fundraising, and were so excited, you forgot to post your support of him as being a man of the people? :rolleyes:

Over half of his approximately $750 million raised came from donations of less than $200. 88% were from individual donations, an none from taxpayer expense. Just what this thread is commending the republican candidate in MA for??

Oh wait, when the democrat had a successful fundraising effort, republicans derided it saying it was ripe for fraud, as small-time donors aren't reported.

I don't really have a dog in this race, just looking for some consistency and trying to understand where we are on campaign fund-raising. Seems to be two totally disparate standards here.

subroc
01-18-2010, 04:26 PM
the dichotomy, in this particular race is clear.

$200.00 or $80.00...you interpret the difference.

dnf777
01-18-2010, 04:31 PM
the dichotomy, in this particular race is clear.

$200.00 or $80.00...you interpret the difference.

LESS THAN $200. Many were 10 and 20 spots. I don't have the exact numbers. Seems to fall in line with your ideal candidate though.

subroc
01-18-2010, 04:46 PM
Nothing said about ideal candidate. I am just highlighting that this is a grass roots groundswell. While I am part of the outside money, if Scott Brown wins, this is paradigm shift in Massachusetts politics and it was caused by your ideal candidate.

dnf777
01-18-2010, 04:50 PM
Nothing said about ideal candidate. I am just highlighting that this is a grass roots groundswell. While I am part of the outside money, if Scott Brown wins, this is paradigm shift in Massachusetts politics and it was caused by your ideal candidate.


Not my candidate. Didn't vote for him. Like I said, I'm just looking for some consistency. Brown was hailed as a wonderful grass-roots candidate because of numerous small contributions. I'm just pointing out that Obama smashed fundraising records with the same MO, yet was criticized in his election. Just sayin'

subroc
01-18-2010, 04:59 PM
Not by me and surely not for that.

road kill
01-18-2010, 05:10 PM
Do you think there is time for Acorn to get up there and give some voters cigarettes & sandwichs for a few votes?

Bus rides and registrations on the spot??



rk

dixidawg
01-18-2010, 05:19 PM
There are rumors that they are already here......

Uncle Bill
01-18-2010, 06:15 PM
Not my candidate. Didn't vote for him. Like I said, I'm just looking for some consistency. Brown was hailed as a wonderful grass-roots candidate because of numerous small contributions. I'm just pointing out that Obama smashed fundraising records with the same MO, yet was criticized in his election. Just sayin'


:o:o:o:confused: Do you realize how phoney you really are??? If you believe anyone here buys into your 'independancy', your nutso!

Only a died-in-the-wool liberal would think what's happening in Mass and what happened in the Obama election are similar, has a screw loose.

1>Obama was from CHICAGO

2>Obama was surrounded by ACORN "volunteers.":rolleyes:

3>George Soros was providing hundreds of thousands of those folks with that 'laundered donation'.

But then, only a true member of the Light-Skin-and Non-Negro-Dialect crowd would be ignorant enough to be hoodwinked so easily.

Some day, you should get off the kool aid, and go for a V8...knock yourself out!

UB

K.Bullock
01-19-2010, 12:09 PM
The latest polls. Can't wait to see how this turns out.

http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=5314

dixidawg
01-19-2010, 12:18 PM
Do you think there is time for Acorn to get up there and give some voters cigarettes & sandwichs for a few votes?

Bus rides and registrations on the spot??



rk


Blank absentee ballots being handed out by "activists" in Lawrence, Mass:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2fNwttq23s&feature=player_embedded

YardleyLabs
01-19-2010, 12:27 PM
Blank absentee ballots being handed out by "activists" in Lawrence, Mass:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2fNwttq23s&feature=player_embedded

Anyone handing out blank absentee ballots today is probably trying to prevent people from voting. Under Massachusetts law, ballots had to have been received by noon yesterday to be counted.

WRL
01-19-2010, 12:53 PM
Anyone handing out blank absentee ballots today is probably trying to prevent people from voting. Under Massachusetts law, ballots had to have been received by noon yesterday to be counted.



WOW! That sucks......

I don't care which side these folks vote for, deliberating being misled like that is terrible.

I realize the voters should "educate" themselves but how many voters in MA know this?

WRL

david gibson
01-19-2010, 12:53 PM
all you libs love to harp on Rush, Shawn, O'Reilly, etc, yet this is the best your side can muster up in return:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/16/ed-schultz-on-ma-election_n_426068.html

what a joke - fits right in with the Acorn/black panther mentality...goes to show it is part of the "progressive" strategy

YardleyLabs
01-19-2010, 12:55 PM
all you libs love to harp on Rush, Shawn, O'Reilly, etc, yet this is the best your side can muster up in return:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/16/ed-schultz-on-ma-election_n_426068.html

what a joke - fits right in with the Acorn/black panther mentality...goes to show it is part of the "progressive" strategy
At least the Republicans came up with someone photogenic -- http://www.cosmopolitan.com/celebrity/news/scott-brown-nude-in-cosmo
:D:D

http://www.cosmopolitan.com/cm/cosmopolitan/images/Ti/Scott-Brown-new3.jpg

WRL
01-19-2010, 12:59 PM
At least the Republicans came up with someone photogenic -- http://www.cosmopolitan.com/celebrity/news/scott-brown-nude-in-cosmo
:D:D

http://www.cosmopolitan.com/cm/cosmopolitan/images/Ti/Scott-Brown-new3.jpg

There's nothing wrong with that campaign photo op!!! ;)

WRL

david gibson
01-19-2010, 01:03 PM
it cements the womens vote - even the lib women, as well as the gay men!

sheer genius!

Pals
01-19-2010, 01:11 PM
:shock::shock::shock::shock:
Good Golly-he sure has a lot of bottom and oodles of fine structure. He would be just perfect if he was tractable.

I love this site!!!!! Thanks so much Jeff, you just made my day.

dnf777
01-19-2010, 01:13 PM
Somebody send Sarah his publicists card!

david gibson
01-19-2010, 01:14 PM
:shock::shock::shock::shock:
Good Golly-he sure has a lot of bottom and oodles of fine structure. He would be just perfect if he was tractable.

I love this site!!!!! Thanks so much Jeff, you just made my day.

nancy - call all your girl friends in Mass and tell them to vote!!! ;-)

dnf777
01-19-2010, 01:20 PM
Gee, I didn't think virtuous, Christian ladies would subject their eyes to such hedonistic displays of flesh!? What does Pat Robertson have to say about this?

Evan
01-19-2010, 01:39 PM
I someone actually supposed to care what he thinks?

Evan

david gibson
01-19-2010, 01:57 PM
the real question here - why did Jeff have that picture so readily available???

(not that there's anything wrong about that.....)

YardleyLabs
01-19-2010, 02:15 PM
the real question here - why did Jeff have that picture so readily available???

(not that there's anything wrong about that.....)
Actually, I was trying to see if there were any reports on turnout, ran into an Olbermann rant describing Brown as a former nude model, did a search and ended up on the Cosmo site. Strange world.... However, as a photographer I would have to admit to having taken pictures of scantily clad women and men. Here's one of a couple that wanted an early portrait of their baby girl (Their idea, not mine).:D:D

http://jeffgoodwin.com/raissamario/images/0481_0014863raissa-mario.jpg

PS I do have rights to publish.

YardleyLabs
01-19-2010, 02:35 PM
My wife was beautiful when she was expecting, but it'd be a cold day in hell before anybody else got that picture. Of course, I didn't need to have a picture taken to begin with.:-x
I'd sure like Jeff to take some pictures of my dogs though. Do you sell Pictures you take at the trials?
Walt
Yes, although I lose most sales by simply posting the photos on the Internet. Dave Gibson also takes some great photos of dogs in action.

david gibson
01-19-2010, 02:48 PM
Yes, although I lose most sales by simply posting the photos on the Internet. Dave Gibson also takes some great photos of dogs in action.



working on the last 2 days of fun time as we speak.....so here's a little brevity to the current debates....

as opposed to fun bumpers, now and then we do "contolled" fun bumpers so he can jump amd charge into the water, total frees his mind and gets his drive going!

http://i808.photobucket.com/albums/zz10/surfgeo/DCG_2960amed.jpg?t=1263930207
http://i808.photobucket.com/albums/zz10/surfgeo/DCG_2890amed.jpg?t=1263930207
http://i808.photobucket.com/albums/zz10/surfgeo/DCG_2898amed.jpg?t=1263930207
http://i808.photobucket.com/albums/zz10/surfgeo/DCG_2853amed.jpg?t=1263930207
http://i808.photobucket.com/albums/zz10/surfgeo/DCG_2524amed.jpg?t=1263930207
http://i808.photobucket.com/albums/zz10/surfgeo/DCG_2545amed.jpg?t=1263930207

ducknwork
01-19-2010, 04:19 PM
Sorry to be the stick in the mud...but are you sure that guy wants scantily clad pictures of his wife on the WWW? If so, different strokes for different folks, I guess...

YardleyLabs
01-19-2010, 04:42 PM
Sorry to be the stick in the mud...but are you sure that guy wants scantily clad pictures of his wife on the WWW? If so, different strokes for different folks, I guess...
That is why I noted under the picture that I have specific written permission to use the photo in thir (or any other) way. I would never post such a photo without a written release.

dnf777
01-19-2010, 04:55 PM
That is why I noted under the picture that I have specific written permission to use the photo in thir (or any other) way. I would never post such a photo without a written release.

And I thought you were launching a new industry, "Pregnant Wives Gone Wild!"
Oh well, that door is still open I guess...

dnf777
01-19-2010, 04:58 PM
Come 'on David!
For us shutter-heads, you gotta tell us a little gear info!
Nice shots, they really capture the motion in more than typical streak artifact. Is that a little streaking with zooming also?

Jim Person
01-19-2010, 05:31 PM
From what I hear, If there is a low turnout Coakley will win . if it is a large voter turnout Brown will win.... I just got home from voting and it was the first time I stood in line to vote. I live in a town of 3000.. I have never stood in line to vote in this town... Polls close at 8 pm... it will be intresting. Jim

Jim Person
01-19-2010, 08:13 PM
First numbers reported at 8:11 pm Brown 62% Coakley 37% Kennedy 1%

YardleyLabs
01-19-2010, 08:20 PM
Well the respective party headquarters looked like both sides are expecting a Brown blowout.

road kill
01-19-2010, 08:29 PM
Well the respective party headquarters looked like both sides are expecting a Brown blowout.

2 observations and opinions;

#1--No Brown blowout.

#2--This is not about the Nationalized Healthcare it's about over spending.

Oversimplification?
Maybe, maybe not!


rk

dnf777
01-19-2010, 08:36 PM
We've all been batting around the possibilities of a narrow Brown win, or even if Cokley only wins by a narrow margin....but yeah, what if its a Brown Blowout? I think I would stop unpacking boxes at the WH if I were Obama.

RK, you may be right on with the over-spending issue, but don't celebrate yet. The republican will spend just as much, and probably more than the democrat. Just on different people and priorities. You know that.

BonMallari
01-19-2010, 08:39 PM
Well the respective party headquarters looked like both sides are expecting a Brown blowout.

Jeff , you know as well as I do that both sides will spin the heck out of the results, no matter how they fall..Republicans will call it a NATIONAL referendum, and Democrats will say that its business as usual and it wont deter their plans :rolleyes:

ducknwork
01-19-2010, 08:43 PM
Any final numbers yet?

YardleyLabs
01-19-2010, 08:44 PM
Jeff , you know as well as I do that both sides will spin the heck out of the results, no matter how they fall..Republicans will call it a NATIONAL referendum, and Democrats will say that its business as usual and it wont deter their plans :rolleyes:
However it turns out, it is pretty clear that the people of Massachusetts have some serious reservations about the direction of national policy and that the Dems put up a really, really bad candidate. Unfortunately, Brown also seems to be an idiot, so it is likely that the people will be poorly served no matter who wins. Maybe next time around they can do better.

Jim Person
01-19-2010, 08:49 PM
59% precincts reporting Brown 53% Coakley 46% Kennedy 1%

Jim Person
01-19-2010, 09:22 PM
Breaking news 9:21 pm Coakley concedes to Brown... SCOTT BROWN WINS!!!!!!!

K G
01-19-2010, 09:26 PM
And the tide begins to turn....how fitting this is, a year to the day since BHO's inauguration....

"Change" indeed regards,

kg

K.Bullock
01-19-2010, 09:30 PM
And the tide begins to turn....how fitting this is, a year to the day since BHO's inauguration....

"Change" indeed regards,

kg

Awesome! :)

code3retrievers
01-19-2010, 09:33 PM
Looks like it is heading towards a large margin of victory. Maybe the left will now realize how much the country hates the direction they have been dragging us.
Next Nov 2010!

subroc
01-19-2010, 09:47 PM
To the good people of Massachusetts, a hearty, WELL DONE!!!!

david gibson
01-19-2010, 09:48 PM
Come 'on David!
For us shutter-heads, you gotta tell us a little gear info!
Nice shots, they really capture the motion in more than typical streak artifact. Is that a little streaking with zooming also?

thanks my friend - just simple control of f-stop and shutter speed - and dog placement....but back to the important matters:


happy happy joy joy!!!! obama and pelosi got served today!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
nancy: "you and your "hope and change" - you didnt hope to change anything - did you????!!!!!

barry: oh shut up and get another facelift so people wont see you are so much of a loser!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

woooooohoooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Sundown49 aka Otey B
01-19-2010, 09:49 PM
Ma voters THANK YOU for having the courage to elect Brown. Job well done !!!

Franco
01-19-2010, 10:05 PM
but, but, but what will become of Teddy's dream of healthcare reform:cool:

Evan
01-19-2010, 10:09 PM
but, but, but what will become of Teddy's dream of healthcare reform:cool:I think I'm beginning to feel a little 'hopey/changey'! :D

Evan

dixidawg
01-19-2010, 10:12 PM
, Brown also seems to be an idiot, .

He just cleaned the clock of a democratic elite monopoly and your take is that he is an idiot?

M&K's Retrievers
01-19-2010, 10:18 PM
He just cleaned the clock of a democratic elite monopoly and your take is that he is an idiot?

Oh, you know that Yardley. He's such a prankster :D

dback
01-19-2010, 10:24 PM
Maybe next time around they can do better.

:rolleyes:

Mike W.
01-19-2010, 10:38 PM
HERE HERE MASSACHUSSETTS! Way to give 'em the cold steel!

Texas offers you our sincerest gratitude.

Franco
01-19-2010, 10:40 PM
Our first revolution began in Boston, might as well start there again!

Cleo Watson
01-19-2010, 10:45 PM
Boston is having one heck of a Tea Party tonight. Thank you. Now for the rest of us to keep the party going.

K G
01-19-2010, 10:59 PM
Unfortunately, Brown also seems to be an idiot....

Just about the time I want to give you the benefit of the doubt...that you're not just another "Yellow Dog Democrat" partisan...you go and pull this common BS. :rolleyes:

You, with all your erudite prose, can do no better than this??? :confused:

We can only hope that more democrats share your attitude...it'll help the country get back on track more quickly! :D

kg

Steve Hamel
01-19-2010, 11:04 PM
A Republican wins Ted's seat in the house . UNBELIEVEABLE ! Martha and her political team is going to be the whipping post for every democrat in the country tomorrow morning. The Big O came and stumped for her and she still lost to a virtual unknown.

UNBELIEVEABLE !

Steve
(who lives and plays in the liberal state of Massachusetts)

dixidawg
01-19-2010, 11:09 PM
Repeat after me:

Massachusetts has PRO GUN Senator representing us in Washington.

I never thought I would live long enough to utter those words :D

Mike W.
01-19-2010, 11:10 PM
Obama is the kiss of death:

Virginia

New Jersey

Chicago's Bid for Olympics

Massachussetts

....next up Healthcare.

Poor bastard is hemorrhaging political capital. I love it.

DSO
01-19-2010, 11:28 PM
Watched CNN for more than a minute or two for the first time in years just to see the reaction from Olbermann / Maddow / Matthews and the rest. You can actually see how dumbfounded they are at the result. I love how they didn't play the Brown acceptance speech but chose to put him on a split screen and have Olbermann and some liberal lackey bureau chief rip Brown. Pompous in the face of a historical defeat. Hysterical but so typical.

Danny

K.Bullock
01-19-2010, 11:40 PM
Obama is the kiss of death:

Virginia

New Jersey

Chicago's Bid for Olympics

Massachussetts

....next up Healthcare.

Poor bastard is hemorrhaging political capital. I love it.

Yep, Barry's batting 0-4. I heard the Democrat strategy for the coming year is to have Obama campaign for conservatives. :cool:

JDogger
01-19-2010, 11:44 PM
Watched CNN for more than a minute or two for the first time in years just to see the reaction from Olbermann / Maddow / Matthews and the rest. You can actually see how dumbfounded they are at the result. I love how they didn't play the Brown acceptance speech but chose to put him on a split screen and have Olbermann and some liberal lackey bureau chief rip Brown. Pompous in the face of a historical defeat. Hysterical but so typical.

Danny

Maybe cause you were on the wrong channel? CNN does not feature Olberman/ Maddow/ Mathews.

Anyway, congrats to Brown.

You guys deserved it. :p

JD

K.Bullock
01-19-2010, 11:50 PM
Watched CNN for more than a minute or two for the first time in years just to see the reaction from Olbermann / Maddow / Matthews and the rest. You can actually see how dumbfounded they are at the result. I love how they didn't play the Brown acceptance speech but chose to put him on a split screen and have Olbermann and some liberal lackey bureau chief rip Brown. Pompous in the face of a historical defeat. Hysterical but so typical.

Danny

That's hilarious, I removed MSNBC from my channel line up because they irritate me with their playground commentary, I resurrected it tonight just so I could see their reactions ....priceless. :D

JDogger
01-20-2010, 12:35 AM
That's hilarious, I removed MSNBC from my channel line up because they irritate me with their playground commentary, I resurrected it tonight just so I could see their reactions ....priceless. :D

Uh...yeah sure. ;)

We're safe now, right?

Sleep tight.

JD

K.Bullock
01-20-2010, 05:51 AM
]Uh...yeah sure. ;)

I know it's hard to believe, it's simple though really you just click [delete channel] in the menu portion of your TV menu, then like magic if you want the channel to reappear you simply press the channel number. Technology is AMAZING!

I am sure for guys like you a video will be on sale soon.


We're safe now, right?

Sure, your 5000 miles away behind a keyboard desk, your safe to criticize folks to your hearts content.


Sleep tight.

I will thanks for your concern. If I have anything that needs spell checked or fact checked I'll be sure and send it your way.;) Not that you won't volunteer, bless your little servants heart. Good morning :)

dnf777
01-20-2010, 05:54 AM
I think both parties got what they deserved. And that's NOT criticizing Brown. He fought a well-planned campaign.

I've heard rumblings of progressives joining the teabaggers in an effort to rid the movement of more radical elements, and making it a true people's party movement. Sounds interesting. Haven't heard anything from Ron Paul or son lately.

Jim Person
01-20-2010, 05:57 AM
I believe the reasons Brown won were , the dems negative and mostly false ads.They kept saying he wanted to deny a womans right to abortion is rape cases, when all he supported is a catholic based hospital right to not have to perform an abortion, but they would refer them to a hospital that does.. Brown is against the current heath care bill (basically , let's get it right and not just push a health care mess and fix it later), not just against health care. the current bill is so bastardized it is pathetic, and the biggy, he wants terrorists to be tried as war criminals in military tribunals and not afforded our constitutional rights,. US citizens are not afforded any rights when they are beheaded and dragged through the streets of a foreign land just for being from this soil.... One thing is for certain, Coakley ran one of the worst campaigns in history, she thought she was in just because she was a dem in Teddyville..Looks like Obama will be a one hit wonder. Jim

K.Bullock
01-20-2010, 05:58 AM
I think both parties got what they deserved. And that's NOT criticizing Brown. He fought a well-planned campaign.

I've heard rumblings of progressives joining the teabaggers in an effort to rid the movement of more radical elements, and making it a true people's party movement. Sounds interesting. Haven't heard anything from Ron Paul or son lately.

I thought it was interesting in his acceptance speech that Brown stayed away from praising any single party affiliation.

Bayou Magic
01-20-2010, 06:05 AM
Wow.

A non-democrat in Teddy's (oops, I mean the peoples') seat! Now that's change!

paul young
01-20-2010, 06:30 AM
yup, replaced one career politician with another.......big change.

hopefully, the people of Massachusetts (not Boston, by the way) will get the representation they want. 6 years is a long time.....

Jim, i will wait with bated breath to see his proposed bill on improving health care. actually, a proposal by any Republican.-Paul

DSO
01-20-2010, 06:33 AM
Watched CNN for more than a minute or two for the first time in years just to see the reaction from Olbermann / Maddow / Matthews and the rest. You can actually see how dumbfounded they are at the result. I love how they didn't play the Brown acceptance speech but chose to put him on a split screen and have Olbermann and some liberal lackey bureau chief rip Brown. Pompous in the face of a historical defeat. Hysterical but so typical.

Danny


Maybe cause you were on the wrong channel? CNN does not feature Olberman/ Maddow/ Mathews.

Anyway, congrats to Brown.

You guys deserved it. :p

JD


Yup... Got my networks mixed up. I guess that goes to show how much time I spend on either. I do suppose the reaction would be similar at CNN though. Thanks for the clarification JD ;-).

Danny

Hew
01-20-2010, 06:42 AM
We can tap our ruby slippers, rub out rabbit feet and have the Dali Lama himself pray for our cause and there ain't no way that a Republican is going to pick up that seat.
I don't know when I've been so happy to admit I was wrong, wrong, WRONG.

I don't think there's much chance that the democrats in Congress will try to ramrod health care through now.

There were a lot of Dems that didn't sleep well last night and I'm sure Barbara Boxer was one of them.

K G
01-20-2010, 08:54 AM
The Brown win was a "bonus"....no one expected it (I mean, seriously, HEW...we might not have said it, but we sure THOUGHT it :D)....but BHO's visit to Boston sealed the deal for Brown. You gotta love it when the President's support becomes a liability only ONE YEAR into his presidency!! And it took them about .2 seconds to throw Coakley under the bus; you KNOW that has to excite the Democrats getting ready to run for office, particularly those challenging a Republican incumbent! :D

kg

dnf777
01-20-2010, 09:01 AM
I thought it was interesting in his acceptance speech that Brown stayed away from praising any single party affiliation.

Another little trivia bit I found interesting was Romney's introduction of Brown at his victory speech. Many voters voiced opposition to "having health care rammed down their throats" and derided the mandatory insurance law in Mass. And who, may I remind folks, put that law into effect?? Politics makes strange bedfellows. (not that there's anything wrong with that) :rolleyes:

dixidawg
01-20-2010, 09:12 AM
I think that is also one of the drivers for Mass. voters. Romney did propose it, and the D legislature overwhelmingly passed it. Go figure.

It has proven to be SIGNIFICANTLY more expensive than was estimated when it was passed. It is a major contributor to the states financial mess right now. I think many folks are now realizing that, and fear the federal healthcare proposal will be even worse financially on an exponentially larger scale.

Gerry Clinchy
01-20-2010, 10:03 AM
I sensed that another factor in Brown's success was how the Dems have done so much "behind closed doors". The Pres campaigned on transparency ... and as soon as the going got tough, that promise went out the window with no objection from the White House.

Whatever "change" the electorate believed they would get, more of the same old cloak-room politics was certainly not part of what people voted for. A blatant slap in the face for people who believed O would really stand up for meaningful change.

Jeff, if Brown is an idiot, so are the voters. I do not believe that to be the case. They could see that no change had taken place. Buying votes for legislation that was flawed seems quite obvious.

The NY Times:
“It is important for us to pass legislation,” said Representative Baron P. Hill, a conservative Democrat from Indiana.

Even if it's bad legislation? We've got plenty of that already. There are problems to be solved with health care, this legislation is/was just an inadequate, ineffective way to solve the problems.

I think the voters' message was: Listen to us! You represent us. Don't lie to us. Don't sell our vote.

During the campaign, if one reads the comments at The Boston Globe, is that the voters set out to send a message to Congress. They are very willing to make Brown a one-termer, if the Dems shape up. If Brown can maintain his independence from taking a "party line", he will give the voters what they voted for and might just hold their loyalty through another election.

I was actually very surprised that the majority of voters in MA are registered as Independent. They have sent a message that they cannot be taken forgranted by the D's ... and surely not the R's.

I read somewhere that the guy from NE who sold his vote for NE's free ride on health care, did not win the respect of the people of NE; that his re-election may not be so sure. Maybe, just maybe, there are still some people out there who value integrity & fairness over political expeditiousness & a handout, even when they may be the beneficiary?

I'm so naive, I can't stand it myself :-)

Jim Person
01-20-2010, 04:25 PM
All I know on health care is that it is so bastardized with behind closed doors deals I'm scared as hell of it. Not saying any one out there has a better one yet. But I can't believe other states senators and reps are not flying off the deep end when a couple states get free medicare for perpetuity for their vote for the health bill and all the other states pick up their tab. I can't stand the fact of let's just pass it and then we will fix all the screw ups later. That just doesn't work for me... Both parties need to cut the shit and do what is best for the country and come up with a bi-partison health care reform that works and is affordable... I believe all americans should have access to quality affordable health care..I also think there should be no homeless and hungry in this country when we give billions to other countries who want to kill us. one place to start is get rid of the aclu.. stop foreign aid to countries who want to kill us,, take a real close look at drug companies ( if they charge $1 for a pill in some other country then charge us $1 for the same pill)...
A terorist from a foreign land who tries to committ a war crime and kill inocent americans should be tried in a military tribunal not given free lawyers at taxpayer expense and be protected by the constitution which they are hell bent on destroying and killing inocent americans in the process..... now that this election is over,I just hope Brown does a good job.... I have had enough of the potus forum... It makes my head hurt

BonMallari
01-20-2010, 05:03 PM
I don't know when I've been so happy to admit I was wrong, wrong, WRONG.

I don't think there's much chance that the democrats in Congress will try to ramrod health care through now.

There were a lot of Dems that didn't sleep well last night and I'm sure Barbara Boxer was one of them.

I hope that Harry Reid was the other that woke up this morning and realized he will be retiring this fall :D:D

JDogger
01-20-2010, 07:47 PM
Originally Posted by Hew http://www.retrievertraining.net/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.retrievertraining.net/forums/showthread.php?p=553872#post553872)
I don't know when I've been so happy to admit I was wrong, wrong, WRONG.

I don't think there's much chance that the democrats in Congress will try to ramrod health care through now.

There were a lot of Dems that didn't sleep well last night and I'm sure Barbara Boxer was one of them.





I hope that Harry Reid was the other that woke up this morning and realized he will be retiring this fall :D:D

I rather imagine there are lots of self-serving, special-interest serving incumbents, of both parties, looking closely at the events of yesterday.

Yesterday was more a referendum on "business as usual" than a republican victory. Registered republicans are a small number in MA.

It is well, and good, to cry "touchdown", but it is still just the end of the first quarter. There is still a lot of game to go. ( I tried to put it in football terms for those so challenged)

Sotomayor's appointment, and indeed Obama's future appointments to SCOTUS, will have more lasting impact than Brown's election.

....and so the games continue, and to quote Maximus Decimus Meridius (http://www.retrievertraining.net/wiki/Maximus_Decimus_Meridius),

Are you not entertained?

JD

dback
01-20-2010, 08:37 PM
It is well, and good, to cry "touchdown", but it is still just the end of the first quarter. There is still a lot of game to go.

Rare day that I agree with JD, even though for different reasons. There is a long ways to move "government" back to a 'centrist/right leaning' position and IF/WHEN that happens, it is incumbent on (especially) conservatives to closely watch all of our elected officials. In short...SHOULD we regain a foothold.....don't under estimate the ability of Repubs to screw things up.

M&K's Retrievers
01-20-2010, 08:58 PM
Sotomayor's appointment, and indeed Obama's future appointments to SCOTUS, will have more lasting impact than Brown's election.



JD[/QUOTE]

This is what could do more damage to the country than anything else Obama attempts to do..

JDogger
01-20-2010, 09:10 PM
Sotomayor's appointment, and indeed Obama's future appointments to SCOTUS, will have more lasting impact than Brown's election.
JD

oooh, a nerve touched, is it? ....Yoda
dogs at my feethttp://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll176/JDoggger/smilies/labrador.gifJD

M&K's Retrievers
01-20-2010, 10:17 PM
oooh, a nerve touched, is it? ....Yoda
dogs at my feethttp://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll176/JDoggger/smilies/labrador.gifJD

Huh??????????????

JDogger
01-20-2010, 10:31 PM
Huh??????????????

You'll wake up, and you'll get it. Well maybe. I don't "get" a lot of your's and rk's posts either.

Call it even, huh?

JDogger

M&K's Retrievers
01-20-2010, 10:51 PM
You'll wake up, and you'll get it. Well maybe. I don't "get" a lot of your's and rk's posts either.

Call it even, huh?

JDogger

Oh I'm awake. It is you who is asleep. You atributed a quote to me which isn't mine hence the "Huh". My point was that Obama will do more damage with his court appointments than anything else he may do.

JDogger
01-20-2010, 10:58 PM
Oh I'm awake. It is you who is asleep. You atributed a quote to me which isn't mine hence the "Huh". My point was that Obama will do more damage with his court appointments than anything else he may do.

OK...You win. Anything else I can do for you tonight? :rolleyes:

JD

Hew
01-20-2010, 11:38 PM
Sotomayor's appointment, and indeed Obama's future appointments to SCOTUS, will have more lasting impact than Brown's election.

In the grand scheme of things Sotomayor's appointment was pretty meaningless (to either side) as it was one liberal replacing another. Brown's election will effect future Obama appointments. Nevermind that he has already caused the dems to pull the plug on health care. DOA. Does "Waterloo" ring a bell? :D:D:D

K G
01-20-2010, 11:42 PM
OOH! OOH!! Don't forget our "bonus" present, HEW....cap and trade is dead, too!!! :D

HOPE indeed regards, ;-)

kg

JDogger
01-21-2010, 12:39 AM
OOH! OOH!! Don't forget our "bonus" present, HEW....cap and trade is dead, too!!! :D

HOPE indeed regards, ;-)

kg

Hmmm. Hope is dead. Change is dead.
But...
Everything remains the same.

You win and everyone else is lost.

Good message kg and hew. It was all working so well. Everything was hunky-dory, before. Yah, it was perfect. Now, we get to go back to that time. Everything will be perfect again. It was a perfect world...everything was good...we had no problems, they all just started...a year ago.

The 'Plan', "just stop it" says kg.

Ah, what a plan.

" I wish to remain,as I always was".

"I choose to ignore the things that are changing around me, and I will steadfastly refuse to ignore them."

"I will stand in the way, and refute that the world around me has changed."

"That will all make it all go away."

Good luck, boys!

This is not the dawn, it is the sunset. The revolution happened and you didn't even notice.

JD

road kill
01-21-2010, 08:18 AM
You'll wake up, and you'll get it. Well maybe. I don't "get" a lot of your's and rk's posts either.

Call it even, huh?

JDogger
I try to make them short, sweet and succinct.
You know, so an 8th grader can follow.
If it would help, I'll take it down to the 5th grade level just for you!!:D





rk

Hew
01-21-2010, 08:32 AM
Hmmm. Hope is dead. Change is dead.
But...
Everything remains the same.

You win and everyone else is lost.

Good message kg and hew. It was all working so well. Everything was hunky-dory, before. Yah, it was perfect. Now, we get to go back to that time. Everything will be perfect again. It was a perfect world...everything was good...we had no problems, they all just started...a year ago.

The 'Plan', "just stop it" says kg.

Ah, what a plan.

" I wish to remain,as I always was".

"I choose to ignore the things that are changing around me, and I will steadfastly refuse to ignore them."

"I will stand in the way, and refute that the world around me has changed."

"That will all make it all go away."

Good luck, boys!

This is not the dawn, it is the sunset. The revolution happened and you didn't even notice.

JD
You apparently escaped your vision quest sweat lodge teepee and your spirit guides didn't even notice. ;) Run that post by me one more time in good ol' English, would ya?

JDogger
01-21-2010, 08:49 AM
You apparently escaped your vision quest sweat lodge teepee and your spirit guides didn't even notice. ;) Run that post by me one more time in good ol' English, would ya?

Nah...use your familiarity with sweat lodges and spirit guides.:p

K G
01-21-2010, 08:56 AM
You apparently escaped your vision quest sweat lodge teepee and your spirit guides didn't even notice. ;) Run that post by me one more time in good ol' English, would ya?

Don't bother, Hew....Jdog is all hat, no cow....:D

kg

JDogger
01-21-2010, 09:21 AM
Don't bother, Hew....Jdog is all hat, no cow....:D

kg

Didn't Ann Richards used to say that about GWB? I guess I'm in good company. :rolleyes:

K G
01-21-2010, 11:59 AM
Think whatever you need to think, Jdog...still waitin' to see YOUR plan....;-)

Yee haw regards, :D

kg