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Roger Perry
02-08-2010, 12:51 PM
WASHINGTON - Former vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin said on Sunday that she was open to a possible White Househttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35284138/ns/politics-more_politics/#) run in 2012 but has not made up her mind.
"I think that it would be absurd to not consider what it is that I can potentially do to help our country," Palin told Fox News Sundayhttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35284138/ns/politics-more_politics/#). "I won't close the door that perhaps could be open for me in the future."

It is what she can do to the country that I am worried about.

huntinman
02-08-2010, 01:31 PM
WASHINGTON - Former vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin said on Sunday that she was open to a possible White Househttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35284138/ns/politics-more_politics/#) run in 2012 but has not made up her mind.
"I think that it would be absurd to not consider what it is that I can potentially do to help our country," Palin told Fox News Sundayhttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35284138/ns/politics-more_politics/#). "I won't close the door that perhaps could be open for me in the future."

It is what she can do to the country that I am worried about.

Unlike the man in the oval office currently huh?

dnf777
02-08-2010, 01:43 PM
How did she fit all that writing on her hands? At least she'd not dumb, like Obama, and need any teleprompters! :D

Leddyman
02-08-2010, 03:21 PM
Three words. She had three words written on her hand. And those idiots on CNN are going off like they caught her tapping her foot in a mens room. grasping at straws is a sure sign that you are worried as hell and getting your butt kicked. Get ready to loose Murtha's seat.

Buzz
02-08-2010, 03:59 PM
What got me was, she could have taken index cards or whatever with notes on them and no one would have given it a second thought. But instead, she writes on her hand and sneaks a peak at it, like a kid trying to cheat on a test.:rolleyes:

huntinman
02-08-2010, 04:08 PM
She had written a hello to her mom on her hand...it's a conspiracy!

Hew
02-08-2010, 04:11 PM
What got me was, she could have taken index cards or whatever with notes on them and no one would have given it a second thought. But instead, she writes on her hand and sneaks a peak at it, like a kid trying to cheat on a test.:rolleyes:
I bet when the Brainiac-in-Chief gives his next speech he'll have "CORE-MAN" scribbled on his hand. Oh, if only Palin was as smart as Obama and was able to read word-for-word from a teleprompter.

BonMallari
02-08-2010, 04:54 PM
Sarah Palin is a good front person for the Republicans and the Tea Party movement...BUT there is no way on this earth she will be driving the bus in 2012. they will let her keep doing what she is good at, raising money, shaking hands , getting the press stirred up, but when push comes to shove someone else will emerge as the choice...I would rather see her out front than McCain, his message was bleak and lacked energy...Palin can take all the pot shots at the current administration, and in return take all the hits, so the Republican nominee will come thru as unscathed and fresh after we tire of her act in a couple of years..

road kill
02-08-2010, 04:59 PM
How did she fit all that writing on her hands? At least she'd not dumb, like Obama, and need any teleprompters! :D

I think a "corpse-man" wrote it on there for her!!:shock:



rk

Hoosier
02-08-2010, 05:21 PM
Roger, don't worry about Palin, Tim Pawlenty will be the next President.

dnf777
02-08-2010, 05:56 PM
It was THREE BULLET POINTS for cryin' out loud. Couldn't she remember that much??

I personally don't think its any big deal, but if you blast your opponent for using a teleprompter....YOU just made it a big deal!

Three points.....that's like having to wear your nametag upside down.

Sundown49 aka Otey B
02-08-2010, 06:02 PM
Were the 3 words "BUSH AIN"T PRESIDENT"........LOL that makes her smarter than Roger.......LOL

road kill
02-08-2010, 06:03 PM
It was THREE BULLET POINTS for cryin' out loud. Couldn't she remember that much??

I personally don't think its any big deal, but if you blast your opponent for using a teleprompter....YOU just made it a big deal!

Three points.....that's like having to wear your nametag upside down.
One small tiny, little, itty bitty difference, he is the SMARTEST President in Sambo's lifetime, and Sarah is just a civilian!!:D



rk

huntinman
02-08-2010, 06:05 PM
It was THREE BULLET POINTS for cryin' out loud. Couldn't she remember that much??

I personally don't think its any big deal, but if you blast your opponent for using a teleprompter....YOU just made it a big deal!

Three points.....that's like having to wear your nametag upside down.

You guys are really grasping at straws (that's been said already!). She gave almost her entire speech at the RNC from memory because the teleprompter broke. Can't ya'll find some legitimate complaint about Palin? Go to youtube and watch Obamas health care speech debacle when the prompter failed and get back to me.

Blackstone
02-09-2010, 01:59 PM
You guys are really grasping at straws (that's been said already!). She gave almost her entire speech at the RNC from memory because the teleprompter broke.

Not according to U.S. News and World Report.

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/robert-schlesinger/2008/09/04/the-sarah-palin-broken-teleprompter-myth.html

But, hey, don't let the facts get in the way of a good, albeit implausible, story! ;-)

Franco
02-09-2010, 02:50 PM
WASHINGTON - Former vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin said on Sunday that she was open to a possible White Househttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35284138/ns/politics-more_politics/#) run in 2012 but has not made up her mind.
"I think that it would be absurd to not consider what it is that I can potentially do to help our country," Palin told Fox News Sundayhttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35284138/ns/politics-more_politics/#). "I won't close the door that perhaps could be open for me in the future."



The Democrats would be licking thier chops if she were to get the GOP nomination. Only a few situations would allow Obama to get re-elected and running against Palin is one.

EdA
02-09-2010, 03:07 PM
Sarah Palin is a good front person for the Republicans and the Tea Party movement.....

THAT, my friend, is a matter of opinion

Buzz
02-09-2010, 04:54 PM
I'll be donating to her primary run.

Sabireley
02-09-2010, 06:08 PM
THAT, my friend, is a matter of opinion

No doubt. The Tea Party loses some credibility simply by her prominent position within the movement, though she is an entertaining and engaging spokesperson.

Roger Perry
02-10-2010, 11:51 AM
Sarah Palin talks of White House run in 2012, after consulting notes scribbled on her hand

By Kenneth R. Bazinet (http://www.nydailynews.com/authors/Kenneth%20R.%20Bazinet)
DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU
Originally Published:Sunday, February 7th 2010, 4:51 PM
Updated: Monday, February 8th 2010, 1:03 AM

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2010/02/08/alg_palin_note.jpg Reinke/AP
Sarah Palin addresses attendees at the National Tea Party Convention in Nashville Saturday after checking the notes written on her left hand (above, and below).

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2010/02/08/amd_palins_hand.jpg





Now that's funny I don't care who you are. :lol:

Jon Stewart's take on Palin's hand-job


February 10, 2010 - 5:48am

FUBAR (http://www.capitolhillblue.com/taxonomy/term/21)
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/files/021010jonstewart.jpgComedian-cum-news-commentator Jon Stewart (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0829537/), as expected, had a field day with revelations that Sarah Palin (http://www.sarahpac.com/) had "crib notes" written on her hand during an interview with Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/) that included questions scripted and pre-approved in advance.
It's the latest example of dingbat behavior by the Wonder from Wasilla (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasilla%2C_Alaska), the former Alaska Governor who quit in mid term, the failed Republican vice presidential candidate who -- defying all logic -- remains the darling of the right-wing and the Tea Party movement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_protests).
What makes the story even more amazing is that Palin -- while having to refer to her buzzword crib notes -- had the gall to criticize President Barack Obama (http://www.whitehouse.gov/) for using a teleprompter.

M&K's Retrievers
02-10-2010, 12:04 PM
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Now that's funny I don't care who you are. :lol:

You must be easily amused. I guess you're really yucking it up watching our government at work. Laugh at this:

www.youtube.com/watch_popup?vA6_xgKWzhRw

Roger Perry
02-10-2010, 01:05 PM
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Now that's funny I don't care who you are. :lol:

You must be easily amused. I guess you're really yucking it up watching our government at work. Laugh at this:

www.youtube.com/watch_popup?vA6_xgKWzhRw

I did laugh, there is nothing there.:lol::lol::roll::roll:

M&K's Retrievers
02-10-2010, 01:52 PM
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I did laugh, there is nothing there.:lol::lol::roll::roll:

Opps. I can't type.:oops: /////let me try again

www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=A6_xgKWzhRw

road kill
02-10-2010, 02:00 PM
Don't news people and all speakers have notes??
Even this guy has help??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jiow64UjuQQ

Maybe this guy neede some notes on his hand, this is suhweet!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxxxGUeZtno

Funny stuff!!!!:D



rk

road kill
02-10-2010, 02:41 PM
Snarky??
She owns you guys!!!:p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktTFtqK_XwQ



rk

YardleyLabs
02-10-2010, 02:45 PM
Don't news people and all speakers have notes??
Even this guy has help??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jiow64UjuQQ

Maybe this guy neede some notes on his hand, this is suhweet!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxxxGUeZtno

Funny stuff!!!!:D



rk
Hey, he could have handled it like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35ZacIe_YLg&NR=1&feature=fvwp

Roger Perry
02-11-2010, 09:02 AM
A little from the morning news.

The new ABC News/Washington Post poll (http://bit.ly/csKZ8E) suggests strong skepticism over the prospects of a Palin presidency -- along with a signal that most Americans want to see tea parties brewing a bit longer before they make up their minds.
“Fifty-five percent of Americans see her unfavorably, the most basic measure of a public figure’s popularity, and 71 percent believe she’s not qualified to serve as president, a position she said Sunday she’ll consider seeking,” ABC Polling Director Gary Langer writes. (http://bit.ly/csKZ8E) “Both negatives are at new highs.”

“Even among Republicans, a majority now say Palin lacks the qualifications necessary for the White House,” Jon Cohen and Philip Rucker report (http://bit.ly/9uPcbM) in the Post. “Palin has lost ground among conservative Republicans, who would be crucial to her hopes if she seeks the party's presidential nomination in 2012. Forty-five percent of conservatives now consider her as qualified for the presidency, down sharply from 66 percent who said so last fall.”

Tis ashamed. I would have voted for her in the primary. But who knows, I still may if she decides to make a run at it.

badbullgator
02-11-2010, 09:05 AM
Come on Roger, ABC Washington POS is about as unbaised as FOX

For the record as a repbulican I hope she DOES NOT RUN.

Roger Perry
02-11-2010, 09:35 AM
Come on Roger, ABC Washington POS is about as unbaised as FOX

For the record as a repbulican I hope she DOES NOT RUN.

Why even Sarah Palin says Fox entertainment is fair and balanced. A republican would not lie would they?

Sarah Palin says she is excited to join 'fair and balanced' Fox News network

Gerry Clinchy
02-11-2010, 10:53 AM
What got me was, she could have taken index cards or whatever with notes on them and no one would have given it a second thought. But instead, she writes on her hand and sneaks a peak at it, like a kid trying to cheat on a test.:rolleyes:

Cheating would be if there were some rules to be broken? Are there any specific rules regarding a speech given by a public figure?

Since index cards, other written notes and telepromters are not breaking any "rules", does it matter what form the notes have?

If three bullet points are all she needed, I'd say that's pretty good.

No, I don't think she's qualified to be President. Making a good speech isn't the only qualification for the presidency.

Julie R.
02-11-2010, 11:43 AM
Although I think Palin is more qualified than the current occupant of the White House, overall I don't think she has the necessary experience nor do I think her past will hold up under the microscopic scrutiny of the mainstream media. Remember, the MSM has already been doing its best to discredit her ever since she burst on the scene and should she run for President, those efforts will be redoubled as real and manufactured incidents are blown out of all resemblence to reality.

Imagine if Obomo and his past had been subject to the same scrutiny as Palin prior to his election? However if he's taught the voting public one lesson, it's that a lightweight cannot run this country. Frankly I think both he and Palin should take their charisma and good looks to Hollywood, where a pretty face is more important than intelligence and experience.

Juli H
02-11-2010, 11:46 AM
I would like to see Palin continue rallying the conservative base in this country. I think she can do more good that way, than if she were to run as pres..I think if she did that, it would divide the conservatives too much...I agree with Julie that she would be 'shot down' much too quickly by the media.....

Juli

Franco
02-11-2010, 12:15 PM
Although I think Palin is more qualified than the current occupant of the White House, overall I don't think she has the necessary experience nor do I think her past will hold up under the microscopic scrutiny of the mainstream media. Remember, the MSM has already been doing its best to discredit her ever since she burst on the scene and should she run for President, those efforts will be redoubled as real and manufactured incidents are blown out of all resemblence to reality.

Imagine if Obomo and his past had been subject to the same scrutiny as Palin prior to his election? However if he's taught the voting public one lesson, it's that a lightweight cannot run this country. Frankly I think both he and Palin should take their charisma and good looks to Hollywood, where a pretty face is more important than intelligence and experience.

I agree 100%! I think the sooner she drops out of the news/limelight, the better off the GOP will be. She is a woman that has been scorned by the news media and she is on a mission to fight back. McCain created the monster and now the GOP will have to do its best to minimize her exposure with the American public.

BonMallari
02-11-2010, 01:09 PM
I would like to see Palin continue rallying the conservative base in this country. I think she can do more good that way, than if she were to run as pres..I think if she did that, it would divide the conservatives too much...I agree with Julie that she would be 'shot down' much too quickly by the media.....

Juli

thats pretty much how I view the situation...let her take all the hits...her resume and her past wont stand the heat of a presidential run, she is already overexposed and the media and the public will tire of her schtick well before nomination time...she is a lightning rod

road kill
02-11-2010, 01:31 PM
I would like to see Palin continue rallying the conservative base in this country. I think she can do more good that way, than if she were to run as pres..I think if she did that, it would divide the conservatives too much...I agree with Julie that she would be 'shot down' much too quickly by the media.....

Juli

I agree 100% with you.
She is a letter day Newt Gingrich.
I am sure the leftys will laugh and discredit him, but he rallied the conservative base in 1994 and kicked the Democrats asses!!:D

http://newt.org/AboutNewt/tabid/57/Default.aspx



rk

EdA
02-11-2010, 01:50 PM
I agree 100% with you.
She is a letter day Newt Gingrich.


Newt was smart though reckless, she is not smart just reckless and ambitious

the GOP will not be well served with her as a spokesperson, she might end up the darling of a splinter party much like Ross Perot did and all he did was siphon off votes from President George Herbert Bush and open the door to the White House to the Clintons

Perot knew he didn't have a chance but he hated Bush so for him mission accomplished

Marvin S
02-11-2010, 04:46 PM
Although I think Palin is more qualified than the current occupant of the White House, overall I don't think she has the necessary experience nor do I think her past will hold up under the microscopic scrutiny of the mainstream media. Remember, the MSM has already been doing its best to discredit her ever since she burst on the scene and should she run for President, those efforts will be redoubled as real and manufactured incidents are blown out of all resemblence to reality.

Imagine if Obomo and his past had been subject to the same scrutiny as Palin prior to his election? However if he's taught the voting public one lesson, it's that a lightweight cannot run this country. Frankly I think both he and Palin should take their charisma and good looks to Hollywood, where a pretty face is more important than intelligence and experience.

There's an article on the Opinion page of the TNT by David Broder, Mr. lukewarm moderate, titled "Palin: A Populist with a Perfect Sales Pitch". At the bottom of the article there is a statement "What stood out in the eyes of TV watching pols of both parties was the skill with which she drew a self portrait that fit not just the wishes of the immediate audience but the mood of a significant slice of the broader electorate".

I'm with you, Julie, not my cupatea, but she is a compelling speaker :) & will make a lot of money doing that. I think she'll run as the money & the branding will be very lucrative for her regardless of the outcome. She just wants to make sure little what's his name is well cared for :rolleyes:.

Uncle Bill
02-11-2010, 05:27 PM
I LOVE SARAH PALIN, AND ANYONE ELSE THAT RILES THE LEFT AS MUCH AS SHE DOES.

AT NO TIME IN MY LIFE HAVE I SEEN ANYONE THAT SO FRIGHTENS THE LIBS AND THEIR WILLING ACCOMPLICES. IT'S AN INCREDIBLE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO COW THE COMPETITION SO EASILY. I AM SO ENVIOUS OF HER TALENT.

ub

huntinman
02-12-2010, 08:51 AM
I agree 100%! I think the sooner she drops out of the news/limelight, the better off the GOP will be. She is a woman that has been scorned by the news media and she is on a mission to fight back. McCain created the monster and now the GOP will have to do its best to minimize her exposure with the American public.

Franco, did you have issues with your Mom or other women in your life? A shrink might find your contempt interesting. You seem to attack Palin at every chance. Most of us could not withstand the scrutiny she has and still come back for more. Cut the woman some slack. At least she is not a lib...

dnf777
02-12-2010, 09:27 AM
I LOVE SARAH PALIN, AND ANYONE ELSE THAT RILES THE LEFT AS MUCH AS SHE DOES.

AT NO TIME IN MY LIFE HAVE I SEEN ANYONE THAT SO FRIGHTENS THE LIBS AND THEIR WILLING ACCOMPLICES. IT'S AN INCREDIBLE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO COW THE COMPETITION SO EASILY. I AM SO ENVIOUS OF HER TALENT.

ub

As usual, you're missing the entire point. Liberals WANT her to run. It may be the best hope of getting their man re-elected. Don't you see? I guess not.

Even some of your conservative colleauges here have voiced disapproval and doubt. But you hang in there!

Franco
02-12-2010, 09:46 AM
Franco, did you have issues with your Mom or other women in your life? A shrink might find your contempt interesting. You seem to attack Palin at every chance. Most of us could not withstand the scrutiny she has and still come back for more. Cut the woman some slack. At least she is not a lib...

As pointed out, the Dems would love for her to run! Why? Because she will alienate the middle. The middle that the GOP will need to kick the Obamanites out of office. She speaks for a small sect of Republicans and she is helping the Dems more than the GOP! The Dems are not afraid of her or what she has to say. Because of her lack of experience, she only does damage to the GOP every time she opens her mouth in public! I would have no problem if she were appointed to the Dept of Energy but as one of the spokespersons for the GOP, absolutly not.

Just keep supporting her and you will help Obama get reelected.

Uncle Bill
02-12-2010, 11:47 AM
As usual, you're missing the entire point. Liberals WANT her to run. It may be the best hope of getting their man re-elected. Don't you see? I guess not.

Even some of your conservative colleauges here have voiced disapproval and doubt. But you hang in there!


What part of your ignorance determined that post was an endorsement for my wanting her to run?

I realize it's hard for an charleton Indy like yourself to understand some folks having principles they abide by. You linguini-spined centrists that wave with the winds are a total joke! Your selfishness is all that matters. Only concerned when your ox is being gored, and then you don't know what you are doing.

UB

precisionlabradors
02-12-2010, 12:15 PM
I LOVE SARAH PALIN, AND ANYONE ELSE THAT RILES THE LEFT AS MUCH AS SHE DOES.

AT NO TIME IN MY LIFE HAVE I SEEN ANYONE THAT SO FRIGHTENS THE LIBS AND THEIR WILLING ACCOMPLICES. IT'S AN INCREDIBLE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO COW THE COMPETITION SO EASILY. I AM SO ENVIOUS OF HER TALENT.

ub

you make a few erroneous assumptions---and with this post await your putdowns--

1-you use the word frightens. i don't think anybody is scared or intimidated by palin. she is ridiculous and will burn herself out. it isn't so much frightening as much as it is irritating.
2-you assume that SHE riles the left. she doesn't. again, she is no threat. it's the people that cling on to her stupidity and quote her stupidity that ANNOYs the left.


something that y'all R's hated, hated about Obama was the blind following of the inner city blacks who thought Obama would pay their mortgages, etc. How is Palin any different on the other side of the extreme? She panders to the ignor-amoses who cheer about her stupidity. It's no surprise you LOVE her.
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Uncle Bill
02-12-2010, 12:38 PM
you make a few erroneous assumptions---and with this post await your putdowns--

1-you use the word frightens. i don't think anybody is scared or intimidated by palin. she is ridiculous and will burn herself out. it isn't so much frightening as much as it is irritating.
2-you assume that SHE riles the left. she doesn't. again, she is no threat. it's the people that cling on to her stupidity and quote her stupidity that ANNOYs the left.


something that y'all R's hated, hated about Obama was the blind following of the inner city blacks who thought Obama would pay their mortgages, etc. How is Palin any different on the other side of the extreme? She panders to the ignor-amoses who cheer about her stupidity. It's no surprise you LOVE her.



HAHAHAHAHA What a guppy! Your posts prove my points so easily. You are the true LEADER of the PT Barnum crowd. Hang in there...your absurdities are a boost to the logical thinkers in this nation.


UB

Marvin S
02-12-2010, 01:00 PM
I do not find what Sarah Palin says objectionable. What I do believe is that her Rolodex does not have enough depth to it.

Start with Carter - besides being inept as a POTUS his cabinet had too many local people in it. Bert What's his name as TS.

Reagan actually attracted some talent - Weinberger Schultz - but he also had his Gergen.

Bush 1 - ??????

Clinton - Reno, Christopher, Albright come to mind as less than needed

Bush 2 - Browny at FEMA, Mineta at transport, & 3 fairly sorry Treasury Sec's

I would like you lefty's or anyone to name one cabinet member that you believe is doing a good job in this administration.

I just believe that when you are POTUS it helps to be connected to talented people. I don't have the feeling that Mrs Palin is there yet!

huntinman
02-12-2010, 02:05 PM
I do not find what Sarah Palin says objectionable. What I do believe is that her Rolodex does not have enough depth to it.

Start with Carter - besides being inept as a POTUS his cabinet had too many local people in it. Bert What's his name as TS.

Reagan actually attracted some talent - Weinberger Schultz - but he also had his Gergen.

Bush 1 - ??????

Clinton - Reno, Christopher, Albright come to mind as less than needed

Bush 2 - Browny at FEMA, Mineta at transport, & 3 fairly sorry Treasury Sec's

I would like you lefty's or anyone to name one cabinet member that you believe is doing a good job in this administration.

I just believe that when you are POTUS it helps to be connected to talented people. I don't have the feeling that Mrs Palin is there yet!

Agreed... Though as much as they libs say they want her to run, it's BS. If they wanted her to run, they would not be attacking her. They would be building her up. Say what you want libs, we know you are afraid. as you should be.

For Franco, trying to get the "moderates" ala McCain, is what got us killed last election. A moderate is a lib that won't admit it. Scott Brown proved in Mass that a conservative message will win anywhere. Why would a lib vote for a "make believe lib" when they can vote for the real thing?

cotts135
02-12-2010, 02:42 PM
I LOVE SARAH PALIN, AND ANYONE ELSE THAT RILES THE LEFT AS MUCH AS SHE DOES.

AT NO TIME IN MY LIFE HAVE I SEEN ANYONE THAT SO FRIGHTENS THE LIBS AND THEIR WILLING ACCOMPLICES. IT'S AN INCREDIBLE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO COW THE COMPETITION SO EASILY. I AM SO ENVIOUS OF HER TALENT.

ub

Your scaring me now............................I mean at least before your post's had some kinda of common sense attached to it............this though seems to have come from another dimension way out there detached from reality. Your responses to those who criticized you are even more alarming.
Take a step back for awhile.

Franco
02-12-2010, 02:49 PM
Agreed... Though as much as they libs say they want her to run, it's BS. If they wanted her to run, they would not be attacking her. They would be building her up. Say what you want libs, we know you are afraid. as you should be.

For Franco, trying to get the "moderates" ala McCain, is what got us killed last election. A moderate is a lib that won't admit it. Scott Brown proved in Mass that a conservative message will win anywhere. Why would a lib vote for a "make believe lib" when they can vote for the real thing?

We will just have to agree to disagree.

Oh, and Scott Brown is Pro Choice. ;-)
And, what got us killed in the last election was Bush43.

EdA
02-12-2010, 03:10 PM
Scott Brown proved in Mass that a conservative message will win anywhere.

in almost anyplace other than the NE Scott Brown would be labeled a liberal

"On September 12, 2009, Brown announced his run for the U.S. Senate seat that became vacant on the death of Ted Kennedy, saying the state "needs an independent thinker. Conservative Washington Post columnist Kathleen Parker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathleen_Parker) said that Brown's political positions did not fall neatly into party lines, and called Brown "mainstream in a nation that defines itself as mostly conservative". Political scientist Boris Shor described Brown as a liberal Republican by national standards, but well-suited for his Massachusetts constituency. Shor explained the support Brown was receiving from the conservative national GOP as due to their "decentralized decision" to support the candidate most likely to win."

The term conservative has been corrupted into one only encompassing social conservatism as in the view of the religious right

There are significant numbers of voters, who, like me, are fiscal conservatives and social liberals so the tags liberal and conservative do not fit nor are those voters aligned to either party

If the GOP leaders expect to win back the Presidency it must be done with moderate candidates who hold views that appeal to this large group of independent voters

dnf777
02-12-2010, 03:16 PM
What part of your ignorance determined that post was an endorsement for my wanting her to run?

I realize it's hard for an charleton Indy like yourself to understand some folks having principles they abide by. You linguini-spined centrists that wave with the winds are a total joke! Your selfishness is all that matters. Only concerned when your ox is being gored, and then you don't know what you are doing.

UB

I didn't say you wanted her to run. You're getting your medications mixed up again and hallucinating. I merely pointed out that LIBERALS want her to run. You're not a liberal, are you? Didn't think so. Did that clear things up for you?
And now what? Attacking my ethnicity because I have an Italian name? You are so pathetic, its laughable. Go spew your "principled verbal diarrhea" into the mirror. If you can stand what you see!

Good night...or good morning....whatever it is in your world.

Hew
02-12-2010, 04:14 PM
If the GOP leaders expect to win back the Presidency it must be done with moderate candidates who hold views that appeal to this large group of independent voters
McCain was the most moderate Republican to appear on a GOP presidential ticket since 1976 and you (and several million other self-proclaimed moderates) still didn't vote for him; proving the truism that the only things found in the middle of the road are yellow stripes and dead possums. Hopefully you'll beg the GOP's pardon if they don't heed your advice in 2012. ;-)

Buzz
02-12-2010, 04:18 PM
McCain was the most moderate Republican to appear on a GOP presidential ticket since 1976 and you (and several million other self-proclaimed moderates) still didn't vote for him; proving the truism that the only things found in the middle of the road are yellow stripes and dead possums. Hopefully you'll beg the GOP's pardon if they don't heed your advice in 2012. ;-)

They took a look at his running mate... And they ran like hell to pull the lever for the other guy. ;-)

Hew
02-12-2010, 04:29 PM
They took a look at his running mate... And they ran like hell to pull the lever for the other guy. ;-)
Anyone who'd vote for president based upon who the VP candidate is, politically speaking, is pretty shallow and naive. Surely you weren't one of the 128 Obama supporters who shouted out, "SWEEEEEEEET!!! He picked Biden!!", were you? ;-)

huntinman
02-12-2010, 04:34 PM
in almost anyplace other than the NE Scott Brown would be labeled a liberal

"On September 12, 2009, Brown announced his run for the U.S. Senate seat that became vacant on the death of Ted Kennedy, saying the state "needs an independent thinker. Conservative Washington Post columnist Kathleen Parker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathleen_Parker) said that Brown's political positions did not fall neatly into party lines, and called Brown "mainstream in a nation that defines itself as mostly conservative". Political scientist Boris Shor described Brown as a liberal Republican by national standards, but well-suited for his Massachusetts constituency. Shor explained the support Brown was receiving from the conservative national GOP as due to their "decentralized decision" to support the candidate most likely to win."

The term conservative has been corrupted into one only encompassing social conservatism as in the view of the religious right

There are significant numbers of voters, who, like me, are fiscal conservatives and social liberals so the tags liberal and conservative do not fit nor are those voters aligned to either party

If the GOP leaders expect to win back the Presidency it must be done with moderate candidates who hold views that appeal to this large group of independent voters

I said a conservative MESSAGE... whatever his real politics he was elected using a very conservative message. That will win every time. If he does not back it up, he will lose next time.

YardleyLabs
02-12-2010, 04:41 PM
Anyone who'd vote for president based upon who the VP candidate is, politically speaking, is pretty shallow and naive. Surely you weren't one of the 128 Obama supporters who shouted out, "SWEEEEEEEET!!! He picked Biden!!", were you? ;-)
Just remember, HEW, that when we want to cripple a bird for training we only need to tie one wing, left or right, to keep it on the ground.

Hew
02-12-2010, 04:52 PM
Just remember, HEW, that when we want to cripple a bird for training we only need to tie one wing, left or right, to keep it on the ground.
You're throwing seven kinds of smoke because that one blew right by me. I didn't even have time to get my bat off my shoulder. ;) :confused:

dnf777
02-12-2010, 05:03 PM
Anyone who'd vote for president based upon who the VP candidate is, politically speaking, is pretty shallow and naive. Surely you weren't one of the 128 Obama supporters who shouted out, "SWEEEEEEEET!!! He picked Biden!!", were you? ;-)

It wasn't so much Palin per se....but rather that the man they are voting for would choose her. If that makes sense. I agree that in general you don't vote for the VP part of the ticket...but then again, McCain would have been the oldest man ever elected, and he does have a history of cancer....
That put a little more focused spotlight on his VP pick.

I will respectfully disagree with your idea that moderating has cost the republican party elections lately. Scott Brown just won a huge victory (according to republicans) and he is pro-choice. When you look at issue polls, I think you'll see that most Americans want a fiscally conservative leader, that is more socially liberal. Or they just don't care about social issues as much when they don't have a job--except for unemployment benefits.

The republican beat drums over gay marriage, flag burning, and abortion. None of those issues will create or save jobs, and are really personal issues. In my "center of the road" view, the gov't has no business in any of those issues. To carry on the cute metaphors....some of the more important roads are divided highways, and have oak trees in the middle. Better not ignore them, or you won't be going anywhere.

EdA
02-12-2010, 05:19 PM
proving the truism that the only things found in the middle of the road are yellow stripes and dead possums. Hopefully you'll beg the GOP's pardon if they don't heed your advice in 2012. ;-)

As one who was a Young Republican for Barry Goldwater before I could vote (the voting age then was 21) and one who has supported every GOP Presidential candidate since, I find it interesting that those who have arrived at the party late now are all knowing.

I know many who were so concerned about the GOP choice for Vice President when the Presidential candidate was 76 years old that the thought of the ex Governor of Alaska occupying the White House was at best frightening.

EdA
02-12-2010, 05:34 PM
I said a conservative MESSAGE... That will win every time.

except 1932-1948, 1960, 1964, 1976, 1992, 1996, 2008....;-)

Hew
02-12-2010, 05:37 PM
As one who was a Young Republican for Barry Goldwater before I could vote (the voting age then was 21) and one who has supported every GOP Presidential candidate since, I find it interesting that those who have arrived at the party late now are all knowing.

I know many who were so concerned about the GOP choice for Vice President when the Presidential candidate was 76 years old that the thought of the ex Governor of Alaska occupying the White House was at best frightening.

All knowing? Nah. But if I based my vote on how many laps my candidate has made around the sun I'm pretty sure I'd want to be accurate about it.

Franco
02-12-2010, 05:37 PM
The republican beat drums over gay marriage, flag burning, and abortion. None of those issues will create or save jobs, and are really personal issues. In my "center of the road" view, the gov't has no business in any of those issues. To carry on the cute metaphors....some of the more important roads are divided highways, and have oak trees in the middle. Better not ignore them, or you won't be going anywhere.



Actually, that is true Conservatism and not the Limbaugh/Hannity redefinition of Conservative.

I also agree that without the middle, the GOP will become extinct.

Hew
02-12-2010, 05:46 PM
The republican beat drums over gay marriage, flag burning, and abortion. None of those issues will create or save jobs, and are really personal issues.
This country wasn't established upon the principle of creating jobs. I don't recall one mention of that in the Constitution. It was established upon ideas. We can disagree on various sides of the issues you mentioned, but those issues are certainly an important part of the overall equation of what makes us the United States and not one of the many soulless (not from a religious standpoint) Western European technocracies.

Hew
02-12-2010, 05:47 PM
Actually, that is true Conservatism and not the Limbaugh/Hannity redefinition of Conservative.
Actually, that's Libertarianism.

M&K's Retrievers
02-12-2010, 05:55 PM
Just remember, HEW, that when we want to cripple a bird for training we only need to tie one wing, left or right, to keep it on the ground.

I'm calling PETA :p

YardleyLabs
02-12-2010, 06:00 PM
I'm calling PETA :p:p:p

Many have wondered how I have avoided PETA's attention given the number of dead birds pictured on my web sites. (jeffgoodwin.com (http://www.jeffgoodwin.com) and yardleylabs.com (http://www.yardleylabs.com)).

Franco
02-12-2010, 06:01 PM
Actually, that's Libertarianism.

Maybe by today's redefinition but then again, I did think that Ron Paul was the most Conservative of all candidates in the last election.

Hew
02-12-2010, 06:11 PM
Maybe by today's redefinition but then again, I did think that Ron Paul was the most Conservative of all candidates in the last election.
I think a very persuasive argument could be made that Paul is way closer to Libertarian than Republican or Conservative (aside from the fact that he first ran for president as a Libertarian :) ).

I like Libertarians. A lot. But Libertarianism ain't Conservatism. For better or worse (I know which you'd vote for), social issues have always been a part of Conservatism and the GOP.

Marvin S
02-12-2010, 06:14 PM
Maybe by today's redefinition but then again, I did think that Ron Paul was the most Conservative of all candidates in the last election.

Club for Growth - who concerns themselves with fiscal sanity gave RP a grade something like 67 of a possible 100 which is pretty spendy to me. This placed him in the middle of the pack. I've read Ron Paul's stuff & am not impressed.

precisionlabradors
02-12-2010, 08:03 PM
HAHAHAHAHA What a guppy! Your posts prove my points so easily. You are the true LEADER of the PT Barnum crowd. Hang in there...your absurdities are a boost to the logical thinkers in this nation.


UB

you and palin are very alike in a "bell curve" sort of way. so ridiculous and outspoken that any rational human doesn't take them serious. at least you're funny.
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dnf777
02-12-2010, 08:14 PM
This country wasn't established upon the principle of creating jobs. I don't recall one mention of that in the Constitution. It was established upon ideas. We can disagree on various sides of the issues you mentioned, but those issues are certainly an important part of the overall equation of what makes us the United States and not one of the many soulless (not from a religious standpoint) Western European technocracies.

I wasn't purporting that they were pillars of Americanism. Just that as long as people vote for presidents, those wishing to win office should pay attention to what the people want. Right now its jobs. I just think all those other issues are things that people worry about when they have jobs, money, and some free time. Just not now.

dnf777
02-12-2010, 08:16 PM
Actually, that is true Conservatism and not the Limbaugh/Hannity redefinition of Conservative.

I also agree that without the middle, the GOP will become extinct.

A good friend of mine is in the Crew of Bacchus. Thats today, isn't it?
Hey! Did you just call me "conservative"?? :D

huntinman
02-12-2010, 09:11 PM
except 1932-1948, 1960, 1964, 1976, 1992, 1996, 2008....;-)

There was no conservative message in 2008, McCain? Conservative? Nope

Franco
02-12-2010, 09:25 PM
A good friend of mine is in the Crew of Bacchus. Thats today, isn't it?
Hey! Did you just call me "conservative"?? :D

Yes I did!;-)

Bacchus rolls a dusk on Sunday. Normally, the parade attracts around 1.5million spectators. With Drew Brees as this years reigning Bacchus, the city is anticipating close to 3 million.

850,00 turned out for Tuesday nights short SB Victory parade. Many couldn't get to the city on a work day though the city closed businesses at noon.

Coach Sean Payton is this years' Orpehus which rolls on Lundi Gras (Monday).

BTW, it was about time a native Texan QB'ed a winning SB team, a first. Louisiana native QB's have QB'ed seven winning SBs.

Oh and, it's Krewe of Bacchus.

Marvin S
02-12-2010, 10:01 PM
except 1932-1948, 1960, 1964, 1976, 1992, 1996, 2008....;-)

If you've ever been through Russell County KS you would think Dole was the king of Pork :(. Other than Barry Goldwater there was not a conservative in the bunch.

Ed, if you believe the rest were conservative? ;-)

EdA
02-12-2010, 10:30 PM
If you've ever been through Russell County KS you would think Dole was the king of Pork :(. Other than Barry Goldwater there was not a conservative in the bunch.

Ed, if you believe the rest were conservative? ;-)

it was neither my premise nor my argument

I simply pointed out the times that the "conservative message" did not work, if as you point out there was no "conservative message" then where were the conservatives in those election years, obviously the Goldwater conservative message fell on deaf ears

sometimes it is difficult for me to follow your logic

Marvin S
02-12-2010, 11:24 PM
I simply pointed out the times that the "conservative message" did not work, if as you point out there was no "conservative message" then where were the conservatives in those election years, obviously the Goldwater conservative message fell on deaf ears

sometimes it is difficult for me to follow your logic

When the messenger is by deed not "Conservative" people can easily figure out that it will not happen ;-). I am a believer that the electorate is well aware of what is going on, maybe it is time for "None of the Above" to be an elective choice :cool:.

Goldwater spawned a whole political movement, so he was successful!

As for my logic, I am guilty of believing the immediate audience is as much of a general political junkie as myself.

You have a nice day, still have snow :)?

dnf777
02-13-2010, 08:30 AM
Yes I did!;-)


BTW, it was about time a native Texan QB'ed a winning SB team, a first. Louisiana native QB's have QB'ed seven winning SBs.

Oh and, it's Krewe of Bacchus.

Thank you for that correction. Its been three long years since I lived in NOLA, and have forgotten the finer points! I'm starting my diet now, so I can "even out" when we're there in May. :D

You're right about La producing QBs. Our western Pa has also been called the "cradle of quarterbacks". Dan Marino, Joe Montana, Joe Namath, Jim Kelly, Marc Bulger, George Blanda, Jeff Hostetler, Johnny Unitas, Bruce Gradkowski, Gus Frerotte, and recent Pittsburgh Steelers backup quarterback Charlie Batch all came from here. But La produced our all time favorite-- Terry Bradshaw.

Well, time to go fire up the JD and play in the snow. (ie, dig out the driveway)

EdA
02-13-2010, 09:12 AM
I am a believer that the electorate is well aware of what is going on:)?

I wish that you were correct but I think you give "the electorate" far too much credit. Too many only know what they are told from the pulpit, podium, radio, or television.

Unfortunately we still have snow and it will probably be a couple of days before it all melts and leaves a muddy mess, don't know how people can stand to live with snow for weeks to months.

zeus3925
02-13-2010, 10:05 AM
Unfortunately we still have snow and it will probably be a couple of days before it all melts and leaves a muddy mess, don't know how people can stand to live with snow for weeks to months.

You wear warm clothes, get on your X-country skis or fire up your Polaris.

M&K's Retrievers
02-13-2010, 11:18 AM
[QUOTE=zeus3925;566303]You wear warm clothes, get on your X-country skis or fire up your Polaris.[/QUOTE

I'd rather put on my flip flops and shorts.

Uncle Bill
02-13-2010, 02:34 PM
don't know how people can stand to live with snow for weeks to months.




How quickly you forget. Must the Gooser pose on his back deck again?

Isn't it obvious...YA GO BERSERK!:rolleyes:


UB

Roger Perry
02-14-2010, 11:11 AM
Anyone watch ABC's "This Week" this morning?

Dick Cheney was asked if Sarah Palin was qualified to be President of the United States. It was a yes or no question. Cheney would not answer.

WASHINGTON (AP) - Former Vice President Dick Cheney says he has not decided on a candidate to support for president in the next election, sidestepping a question on whether he would support Sarah Palin for the office.
Cheney declined to throw his support behind Palin when asked Sunday on ABC's "This Week" whether he would back the former Alaska governor as a presidential candidate.
Cheney said the person he supports is going to have to prove capable of being president. He did not say whether he thinks Palin is qualified.

http://www.wtop.com/?nid=213&sid=1888628

If Sarah Palin was President the crazy bitch would already have us at war with Iran. And this is who the righties want running the country?

BonMallari
02-14-2010, 11:27 AM
Anyone watch ABC's "This Week" this morning?

Dick Cheney was asked if Sarah Palin was qualified to be President of the United States. It was a yes or no question. Cheney would not answer.

WASHINGTON (AP) - Former Vice President Dick Cheney says he has not decided on a candidate to support for president in the next election, sidestepping a question on whether he would support Sarah Palin for the office.
Cheney declined to throw his support behind Palin when asked Sunday on ABC's "This Week" whether he would back the former Alaska governor as a presidential candidate.
Cheney said the person he supports is going to have to prove capable of being president. He did not say whether he thinks Palin is qualified.

http://www.wtop.com/?nid=213&sid=1888628

If Sarah Palin was President she would already have us at war with Iran. And this is who the righties want running the country?

That is a perfect example of the media fishing for a sound bite,why would Cheney even speculate just so the media can run with a sound bite, and your inference that his reluctance to answer the question as a non endorsement...its 2010 not 2012, has anyone announced that they are a candidate. Any speculation if person A or person B would have us at war is just that pure speculation...useless..the media is so starved to hang a leadership tag on any Republican so they can villify the party, they tried to paint Rush as the voice of the party and now they try and portray Palin as the chosen one and face of the party....

Neither one speaks for me

M&K's Retrievers
02-14-2010, 12:06 PM
If Sarah Palin was President the crazy bitch would already have us at war with Iran. And this is who the righties want running the country?

The "righties" as you like to call us do not necessarily want Palin as President but frankly anyone would be better than the rookie we currently have playing POTUS. If she were President she would need Congress' approval to declare war which I doubt she could get with the current cast of characters in Washington. But wait. If she were President, many of the current Dems would probably be gone. Hum....

dnf777
02-14-2010, 12:09 PM
Cheney may be evil, sinister, satanic.....but he ain't stupid!

Its WAY too early to be showing your cards. I don't blame him for keeping mute.
If there's any surprise, its that he and his neo-con ilks haven't condemned a woman for aspiring to a leadership position. Well, as long as she does what they tell her to do...like GWB, I guess she's ok.

BonMallari
02-14-2010, 03:54 PM
You can tell that Palin loves the media spotlight, she cant stay away from it...that will also be her downfall...whoever she is getting advice from IMHO is overexposing her in the media, with her propensity to shoot from the lip she will only show her weakness for the subject matter and people will tire of seeing her on every news show..I am almost to that point now...she would be better off running for a Senate or House seat and get some legislative experience...

M&K's Retrievers
02-14-2010, 04:22 PM
You can tell that Palin loves the media spotlight, she cant stay away from it...that will also be her downfall...whoever she is getting advice from IMHO is overexposing her in the media, with her propensity to shoot from the lip she will only show her weakness for the subject matter and people will tire of seeing her on every news show..I am almost to that point now...she would be better off running for a Senate or House seat and get some legislative experience...

I think you are right on.

Hew
02-15-2010, 06:08 AM
Most definately Cheney snubbed Palin. He's from the Old Guard of the party. Most of the opposition to Palin comes from the Inside the Beltway crowd of Republicans. Most of them (Cheney is a notable exception) are the get-along/go-along types who don't care so much for changing the world, but just want to carve out a nice little protected (and profitable) niche for themselves in their little corner of it. There's a bunch of those types in both parties. The Texas GOP primary is a microcosm of the idealogical battle going on within the party at the moment. The conservative idealogues (Palin the most notable) siding with Perry and the Old Guard (including Cheney) lining up behind Kay Bailey. Watch who wins that race. ;-)

At every turn, Palin has supported the conservative tenets that the party supposedly stands for. She was taking on Obama, the media and late night comics when it wasn't popular and while supposed GOP leaders like Steele, Romney and McCain were as quiet as church mice. Palin stuck her neck out, while the effete GOP Old Guard types were hiding in holes. A very good case can be made that she is nearly singlehandedly responsible for killing Obamacare. At a time when Obamacare seemed all but a done deal she changed the discussion and deigned to disagree w/ Obama. Her "death panel" remarks drew the ire of the Establishment and the media, but she doubled down on her claim instead of shrinking from it. The Obama admin was thrown off their game responding to her with their usual acidic venom. She was vindicated a week later when the Senate removed end of life counseling from their bill. And all this was going on at the time when healthcare townhalls were just starting. You think the people that filled those townhalls were more likely to be McCain fans or Palin fans? She gave/gives voice to many people. I think that if most of the right-of-center Palin hatas on this board looked at her policies instead of the personality, you'd be in substantial agreement with her on most issues. Or you can continue to parrot the conventional wisdom that's spoon-fed to you by the media and GOP Old Guard...she's not smart enough, she's not experienced enough, she's not sophisticated enough, and that's she's too much like...well, most of us. ;-)

huntinman
02-15-2010, 10:05 AM
Well said HEW! hit the nail on the head.

M&K's Retrievers
02-15-2010, 10:08 AM
Well said HEW! hit the nail on the head.

Ditto........

EdA
02-15-2010, 11:35 AM
she is nearly singlehandedly responsible for killing Obamacare.;-)

whew, Hew.....temper your enthusiasm..


The Texas GOP primary is a microcosm of the idealogical battle going on within the party at the moment. The conservative idealogues (Palin the most notable) siding with Perry
. ;-)

If our Democrat turned Republican Governor's leadership is an example of "New Republicanism" I for one will pass because the good old boy network and cronyism is alive and well, but then the lobbyists love him...;-)

Hew
02-15-2010, 03:13 PM
If our Democrat turned Republican Governor's leadership is an example of "New Republicanism" I for one will pass because the good old boy network and cronyism is alive and well, but then the lobbyists love him...;-)
Said the guy who had a chance to vote for two anti-establishment types who routinely thumbed their nose at their own party and instead helped elect a Chicago political machinery goon with half a term experience at Senator and a Washington dandy who has barely worked a day in his life outside the beltway and whose own son is a DC lobbyist cashing in on his dad's name. ;-)

EdA
02-15-2010, 04:56 PM
Said the guy who had a chance to vote for two anti-establishment types who routinely thumbed their nose at their own party and instead helped elect a Chicago political machinery goon with half a term experience at Senator and a Washington dandy who has barely worked a day in his life outside the beltway and whose own son is a DC lobbyist cashing in on his dad's name. ;-)

you're really good at one liners Hew, how about a few facts to back up your cute rhetoric

how do know that I voted and for whom or are you just speculating

so is your goal politically to just back "anti-establishment" candidates

where do you stand on campaign finance reform and term limits

would you be so enamored of ex Governor Palin if she looked like Susan Boyle.....;-)

Buzz
02-15-2010, 08:55 PM
Said the guy who had a chance to vote for two anti-establishment types who routinely thumbed their nose at their own party and instead helped elect a Chicago political machinery goon with half a term experience at Senator and a Washington dandy who has barely worked a day in his life outside the beltway and whose own son is a DC lobbyist cashing in on his dad's name. ;-)

Promoted after 1/2 term as senator, as opposed to what, giving up after 1/2 term as governor?

Hew
02-16-2010, 07:15 AM
you're really good at one liners Hew, Thanks. I aim to please. how about a few facts to back up your cute rhetoric

how do know that I voted and for whom or are you just speculating Given your countless screeds against McCain and Palin I'm assuming you voted for someone other than McCain and Palin or didn't vote at all. By not voting or voting for someone other than McCain/Palin you helped to elect Obama/Biden. Capice?

so is your goal politically to just back "anti-establishment" candidates My political goal is to back the best candidate. You established that you thought cronyism was a bad thing when you criticized Perry for it. I was just pointing out that seem to be selective about when you think cronyism is bad and when it isn't.

where do you stand on campaign finance reform and term limits Against both.

would you be so enamored of ex Governor Palin if she looked like Susan Boyle.....;-) Enamored? I might not go that far, but I respect the hell out of her. She's got more political sackage than any other republican, and much of what she believes in is compatible with much of what I believe in. I think she gets a bad rap...which I expect from the flying moonbat left. I get sick of hearing it from other conservatives, though. BTW, have you seen the new and improved Susan Boyle? I ain't saying she's a looker, but she doesn't break glass anymore.


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Hew
02-16-2010, 07:19 AM
Promoted after 1/2 term as senator, as opposed to what, giving up after 1/2 term as governor?
A common knock against Palin was she didn't have experience. Just pointing out that Obama's experience wasn't a whit better.

Roger Perry
02-16-2010, 10:10 AM
you're really good at one liners Hew, how about a few facts to back up your cute rhetoric

how do know that I voted and for whom or are you just speculating

so is your goal politically to just back "anti-establishment" candidates

where do you stand on campaign finance reform and term limits

would you be so enamored of ex Governor Palin if she looked like Susan Boyle.....;-)

Or Nancy Pelosi?

huntinman
02-16-2010, 10:16 AM
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Or Nancy Pelosi?


Now you've gone too far!!

Franco
02-16-2010, 10:33 AM
I'm all for hot babes running for office but, would hardly consider either Pelosi or Palin in that catagory!

EdA
02-16-2010, 01:16 PM
I'm assuming you voted for someone other than McCain and Palin or didn't vote at all. By not voting or voting for someone other than McCain/Palin you helped to elect Obama/Biden. Capice?
..................

Hew, perhaps you do not understand the electoral process for if you did you would know that all 34 Electoral votes from Texas were cast for McCain/Palin so whether I voted or didn't and who I voted for or didn't did not matter...;-)

and BTW you might want to do a little research into Texas politics before you wave the banner for our Governor and his quest for an unprecedented 3rd term (including the partial one he served when he replaced our previous Governor GWB)

dnf777
02-16-2010, 01:32 PM
Hew, perhaps you do not understand the electoral process for if you did you would know that all 34 Electoral votes from Texas were cast for McCain/Palin so whether I voted or didn't and who I voted for or didn't did not matter...;-)

and BTW you might want to do a little research into Texas politics before you wave the banner for our Governor and his quest for an unprecedented 3rd term (including the partial one he served when he replaced our previous Governor GWB)

Last time I lived in Texas, Mark White was guv, so I'm out of the loop with Lone Star politics. But I thought Rick Perry was very popular?? Wasn't he Bush's Lt. Gov?
(oh, I guess GWB was guv when I was in El Paso, but it didn't really feel like TEXAS, being on a federal instillation. Loved El Paso, what a beautiful town. Really.

Hew
02-16-2010, 02:01 PM
Hew, perhaps you do not understand the electoral process for if you did you would know that all 34 Electoral votes from Texas were cast for McCain/Palin so whether I voted or didn't and who I voted for or didn't did not matter...;-)
Touche. But how you voted has relevance in helping to determine the depth of your hypocrisy regarding cronysim and disdain for lobbyists. But I guess cronyism only goes on south of the Red River. ;-)

EdA
02-16-2010, 02:14 PM
Touche. But how you voted has relevance in helping to determine the depth of your hypocrisy regarding cronysim and disdain for lobbyists. But I guess cronyism only goes on south of the Red River. ;-)

you are totally unqualified to judge me or my motives, you would be well served to keep your own house in order

EdA
02-16-2010, 02:31 PM
But I thought Rick Perry was very popular?? .

Very popular in some circles, he tried to orchestrate the one of largest government land grabs with the Trans Texas corridor, some 600,000 acres of privately owned and valuable agricultural land, the primary benefactor Cintra Corporation, a Spanish corporation and their US partner Zachary a large construction company with headquarters in San Antonio.

“Once again, Gov. Rick Perry's former liaison to the Legislature is working for the Spanish company that won the rights to develop the $7 billion Trans-Texas Corridor. Lobbyist Dan Shelley worked for the firm as a consultant just before he went to the governor's office, a connection first revealed in 2004. State officials denied any connection between that circumstance and the decision, three months later, to award Cintra the huge highway contract. Now, Mr. Shelley has left the governor's office, and he and his daughter have large contracts to lobby for the road builder.” (The Dallas Morning News, 8/18/06)

“Gov. Rick Perry has accepted nearly $5 million in political campaign donations from people he appointed to state boards and commissions, including some in plum jobs that set policy for state universities, parks and roads, records show.” (Houston Chronicle, 5/4/09)

“In May 2006, Texas joined the growing list of states with gross receipts taxes. Governor Rick Perry signed into law a sweeping tax reform bill, replacing Texas’s corporate franchise tax with a ‘margin tax’ based on gross business receipts.” (Tax Foundation Special Report, 12/06, No. 147)

The Perry Record: Higher taxes, higher debt, more runaway spending.

Rick Perry’s fiscal record is enough to make any liberal Democrat proud, which is no surprise given that Perry was the Texas Chairman of Al Gore’s 1988 presidential campaign. Consider the facts:

Under Perry, taxes have gone up by nearly $1.6 billion.
Under Perry, the state debt has doubled.
Under Perry, state spending has increased by almost 50%.
Under Perry, Texas has the highest property taxes in the nation.
Under Perry, Texas has added some 30,000 new bureaucrats to the state payroll.
Perry has introduced and supported scores of new taxes including a massive new tax on businesses--even those that are not earning profits.There's more but I think you get the picture

dnf777
02-16-2010, 02:58 PM
EdA,
Thanks for the update. While I would never support such a republican candidate, ;-), how much of the increased spending etc...is attributal to the increased impoverished population growth? Nothing ethno-racist here, but the hispanic population explosion, given their demographics, is bound to hurt the state financially. I could see the writing on the wall when Mark White was governor, and the population curve was beginning to take off.

In my mind, from your description of Perry, he merely represents the modern-day politician, be they republican or democrat. Its line my pockets, fill my war chest, and give out favors from my position of power. Although having recently read "All the King's Men", this is nothing new I suppose.

Ciao,
dave

M&K's Retrievers
02-16-2010, 03:56 PM
Very popular in some circles, he tried to orchestrate the one of largest government land grabs with the Trans Texas corridor, some 600,000 acres of privately owned and valuable agricultural land, the primary benefactor Cintra Corporation, a Spanish corporation and their US partner Zachary a large construction company with headquarters in San Antonio.

“Once again, Gov. Rick Perry's former liaison to the Legislature is working for the Spanish company that won the rights to develop the $7 billion Trans-Texas Corridor. Lobbyist Dan Shelley worked for the firm as a consultant just before he went to the governor's office, a connection first revealed in 2004. State officials denied any connection between that circumstance and the decision, three months later, to award Cintra the huge highway contract. Now, Mr. Shelley has left the governor's office, and he and his daughter have large contracts to lobby for the road builder.” (The Dallas Morning News, 8/18/06)

“Gov. Rick Perry has accepted nearly $5 million in political campaign donations from people he appointed to state boards and commissions, including some in plum jobs that set policy for state universities, parks and roads, records show.” (Houston Chronicle, 5/4/09)

“In May 2006, Texas joined the growing list of states with gross receipts taxes. Governor Rick Perry signed into law a sweeping tax reform bill, replacing Texas’s corporate franchise tax with a ‘margin tax’ based on gross business receipts.” (Tax Foundation Special Report, 12/06, No. 147)

The Perry Record: Higher taxes, higher debt, more runaway spending.

Rick Perry’s fiscal record is enough to make any liberal Democrat proud, which is no surprise given that Perry was the Texas Chairman of Al Gore’s 1988 presidential campaign. Consider the facts:

Under Perry, taxes have gone up by nearly $1.6 billion.
Under Perry, the state debt has doubled.
Under Perry, state spending has increased by almost 50%.
Under Perry, Texas has the highest property taxes in the nation.
Under Perry, Texas has added some 30,000 new bureaucrats to the state payroll.
Perry has introduced and supported scores of new taxes including a massive new tax on businesses--even those that are not earning profits.There's more but I think you get the picture

Yeah, but he replaced Bush and you know what that means.:rolleyes:

Bush's fault regards...

dnf777
02-16-2010, 06:20 PM
Yeah, but he replaced Bush and you know what that means.:rolleyes:

Bush's fault regards...

If forget the political term for Texas' system of gov't, but the governor is only one of a commission of elected officials who run the gov't. I know the lt. gov and the railroad commissioner tend to wield more power than the guv. Texas governors in all honesty can really claim little of the credit, and shoulder little of the blame for the state's progress or decline.

Marvin S
02-16-2010, 10:09 PM
Under Perry, taxes have gone up by nearly $1.6 billion.
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Under Perry, the state debt has doubled.
Under Perry, state spending has increased by almost 50%.
Under Perry, Texas has the highest property taxes in the nation.
Under Perry, Texas has added some 30,000 new bureaucrats to the state payroll.
Perry has introduced and supported scores of new taxes including a massive new tax on businesses--even those that are not earning profits.There's more but I think you get the picture

Interesting - apparently the Gov has a Yardley clone putting out his press releases as we were led to believe that KBH's challenge was out of line.

What's your take on that?

EdA
02-16-2010, 10:46 PM
Interesting - apparently the Gov has a Yardley clone putting out his press releases as we were led to believe that KBH's challenge was out of line.

What's your take on that?N

Senator Hutchison may hate the Governor more than I do but I doubt it, my take is that she is probably sick of Washington, misses her home state as any Texan would, and wants to serve the people of Texas without a personal agenda unlike Governor Perry who is the ultimate self serving politician.

That Ms. Palin has chosen to enter the fray merely reinforces my negative view of her, her lack of intellect, and her lack of political acumen

huntinman
02-16-2010, 11:15 PM
N

Senator Hutchison may hate the Governor more than I do but I doubt it, my take is that she is probably sick of Washington, misses her home state as any Texan would, and wants to serve the people of Texas without a personal agenda unlike Governor Perry who is the ultimate self serving politician.

That Ms. Palin has chosen to enter the fray merely reinforces my negative view of her, her lack of intellect, and her lack of political acumen

Which will make it that much worse for the Palin haters when Perry wins.

Hew
02-17-2010, 07:11 AM
you are totally unqualified to judge me or my motives, you would be well served to keep your own house in order
Such melodrama. I haven't judged you or your motives. I've commented on the contradictory and hypocritical things you've written. I'll continue to comment as I desire, regardless of whether you think my house is in order or not.

david gibson
02-17-2010, 08:40 AM
N

Senator Hutchison may hate the Governor more than I do but I doubt it, my take is that she is probably sick of Washington, misses her home state as any Texan would, and wants to serve the people of Texas without a personal agenda unlike Governor Perry who is the ultimate self serving politician.

That Ms. Palin has chosen to enter the fray merely reinforces my negative view of her, her lack of intellect, and her lack of political acumen

i wish Palin would stay out of it myself. i am no huge Perry fan, he has strongly alienated me on the TTC and other toll road issues, but Kay "Bail-out" Hutchison does have a history of going after the pork. to me this election is just another choice between the lesser of 2 evils.....at least its pretty much a given that the Dems wont be able to beat either one....

M&K's Retrievers
02-17-2010, 09:08 AM
Does anyone know who will likely run for her seat "if" she steps down as promised?

david gibson
02-17-2010, 09:14 AM
Does anyone know who will likely run for her seat "if" she steps down as promised?


i haven't heard, all i have heard is it is very very likely to remain firmly in Rep. hands....

M&K's Retrievers
02-17-2010, 11:31 PM
N

Senator Hutchison may hate the Governor more than I do but I doubt it, my take is that she is probably sick of Washington, misses her home state as any Texan would, and wants to serve the people of Texas without a personal agenda unlike Governor Perry who is the ultimate self serving politician.

That Ms. Palin has chosen to enter the fray merely reinforces my negative view of her, her lack of intellect, and her lack o"f political acumen

I don't know about you but I am sick of all the "Yo Momma" mud slinging ads both sides are running. I don't think I've heard one positive ad by either side. Now we will have to pay for a run off.

On the outside chance that she wins, wouldn't he have to name her replacement when she resigns?