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ducknwork
02-11-2010, 10:46 PM
I was flipping through the channels tonight and stopped on cspan because I saw Allen West talking. It was a speech from 1-13-10 in NY. He sounds way too good to be true. Try to look it up on youtube. I know we have talked about this guy before, but I really think that he is the real deal. I can't wait to see what the future holds for him.

YardleyLabs
02-12-2010, 05:46 AM
I was flipping through the channels tonight and stopped on cspan because I saw Allen West talking. It was a speech from 1-13-10 in NY. He sounds way too good to be true. Try to look it up on youtube. I know we have talked about this guy before, but I really think that he is the real deal. I can't wait to see what the future holds for him.
He's a very articulate man. Was he reading the record from his court marshal?

Hew
02-12-2010, 05:59 AM
He's a very articulate man. Was he reading the record from his court marshal?
Or perhaps he was reading his Bronze Star citation.

BTW, I would like to read the record from his court martial. Where would one find that besides your imagination?

paul young
02-12-2010, 07:24 AM
there was no court martial.

rather than face one based on charges that he violated articles 128 and 134 of the uniform code of military justice, he chose to be processed thru an article 32 hearing. he was fined $5000 and allowed to resign his commision with full benefits.

if he had gone thru a court martial, he was in danger of facing 11 years in prison and loss of benefits.

apparently, he felt that was a bad bet.....-Paul

Hew
02-12-2010, 07:46 AM
apparently, he felt that was a bad bet.....-Paul
Or perhaps just as apparently, the govt. felt it was a bad bet trying to win a prosecution in a court martial. Or maybe he didn't want to put his family through the ordeal.

If you had the full weight of the United States govt. bearing on you, with your retirement benefits on the table, would you not pay $5k to get out from under it no matter how right you thought you were? I'll answer for you if you don't mind: You bet your arse you would.

huntinman
02-12-2010, 07:47 AM
Still had a better record of service to our country than most other politicians, including Obambi.

dnf777
02-12-2010, 07:48 AM
Requesting and receiving an Article 32 was a brilliant legal maneuver. Especially in a military environment, where his actions would be deemed heroic and "no big deal". While it preserved his political career, an innocent adjudication by a court martial would be the best way to clear one's name if innocent. Since he openly admitted the charges, and was given a slap on the wrist by the A-32 judge, he may move on politically, answering only to the court of public opinion. Given Oliver North and Gordon Liddy's experience, I suspect he will be just fine. Probably have his own talk show in a few years.

BTW, not that it matters, but was the Iraqi police officer who was beaten an enemy sympathizer, or an innocent man trying to restore and uphold the law in his homeland in arguably the most dangerous job in the world?

paul young
02-12-2010, 07:55 AM
there was not one iota of judgement in my post, Hew. just facts.

no way i would judge the man. i wasn't there and don't know how strong the evidence against him was.

he did whatever he did for reasons i won't speculate on. -Paul

Hew
02-12-2010, 07:57 AM
there was not one iota of judgement in my post, Hew. just facts.

no way i would judge the man. i wasn't there and don't know how strong the evidence against him was.

he did whatever he did for reasons i won't speculate on. -Paul
Fair enough. I apologize for jumping to conclusions.

road kill
02-12-2010, 08:22 AM
Requesting and receiving an Article 32 was a brilliant legal maneuver. Especially in a military environment, where his actions would be deemed heroic and "no big deal". While it preserved his political career, an innocent adjudication by a court martial would be the best way to clear one's name if innocent. Since he openly admitted the charges, and was given a slap on the wrist by the A-32 judge, he may move on politically, answering only to the court of public opinion. Given Oliver North and Gordon Liddy's experience, I suspect he will be just fine. Probably have his own talk show in a few years.

BTW, not that it matters, but was the Iraqi police officer who was beaten an enemy sympathizer, or an innocent man trying to restore and uphold the law in his homeland in arguably the most dangerous job in the world?

Guess you had to be there.....glad I wasn't!!



rk

ducknwork
02-12-2010, 09:09 AM
This is EXACTLY the kind of thing that he was talking about when I watched last night. Our soldiers are not able to do their job because they are afraid of getting in trouble with the government. He spoke at length on rules of engagement and how the rules that we place on ourselves have cost us numerous American lives in combat. At one point, he said something to the effect of 'Political correctness has no place in war'. *disclaimer*-Not a direct quote-I don't remember exactly what he said...

Anyway, I couldn't find it on youtube, but here is a link to the c span video. I thoroughly enjoyed watching him speak yesterday, if you watch this, I hope you do as well.

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/291300-2

huntinman
02-12-2010, 01:09 PM
[QUOTE=dnf777;565731]Requesting and receiving an Article 32 was a brilliant legal maneuver. Especially in a military environment, where his actions would be deemed heroic and "no big deal". While it preserved his political career, an innocent adjudication by a court martial would be the best way to clear one's name if innocent. Since he openly admitted the charges, and was given a slap on the wrist by the A-32 judge, he may move on politically, answering only to the court of public opinion. Given Oliver North and Gordon Liddy's experience, I suspect he will be just fine. Probably have his own talk show in a few years.

BTW, not that it matters, but was the Iraqi police officer who was beaten an enemy sympathizer, or an innocent man trying to restore and uphold the law in his homeland in arguably the most dangerous job in the world?[/QUOT

Or get elected President...Obama admitted snorting coke or doing heroin or some such nonsense and it did not seem to matter to his voters...

dnf777
02-12-2010, 02:06 PM
[QUOTE=dnf777;565731]Requesting and receiving an Article 32 was a brilliant legal maneuver. Especially in a military environment, where his actions would be deemed heroic and "no big deal". While it preserved his political career, an innocent adjudication by a court martial would be the best way to clear one's name if innocent. Since he openly admitted the charges, and was given a slap on the wrist by the A-32 judge, he may move on politically, answering only to the court of public opinion. Given Oliver North and Gordon Liddy's experience, I suspect he will be just fine. Probably have his own talk show in a few years.

BTW, not that it matters, but was the Iraqi police officer who was beaten an enemy sympathizer, or an innocent man trying to restore and uphold the law in his homeland in arguably the most dangerous job in the world?[/QUOT

Or get elected President...Obama admitted snorting coke or doing heroin or some such nonsense and it did not seem to matter to his voters...

I think you're confused with George Bush, who used cocaine, was an alcoholic, and at least one DUI charged to him, and possibly others thrown out because of his father's influence. Is that what you meant? I'm not sure how any of this relates to UCMJ violations, anyway.

Eric Johnson
02-12-2010, 02:10 PM
There's a little mis-understanding here about the way the Uniform Code of Military Justice works.

Article 32 covers pre-trial investigations. It is not a courts martial by any means. While many times there will be an Article 32 proceeding (defense may waive it for example) , it is required if the charges are likely to become a General Court. However, Article 32 covers only the investigation phase. The courts martial is a whole separate issue. Here's a quote from the discussion in the Art 32 section of the "Manual for Courts Martial".

>The primary purpose of the investigation required by Article 32 and this rule is to inquire into the truth of the matters set forth in the charges, the form of the charges, and to secure information on which to determine what disposition should be made of the case.
The investigation also serves as a means of discovery. The function of the investigation is to ascertain and impartially weigh all available facts in arriving at conclusions and recommendations, not to perfect a case against the accused. The investigation should
be limited to the issues raised by the charges and necessary to proper disposition of the case. The investigation is not limited to examination of the witnesses and evidence mentioned in the accompanying allied papers. See subsection (e) of this rule. Recommendations of the investigating officer are advisory.

The Article 32 process is fairly structured but it is somewhat informal. The investigating officer must be equal or higher in rank than the accused but need not be an attorney. Upon it's conclusion, the investigating officer then makes his (her) recommendation to the convening authority who makes the decision on how to proceed.

IOW, LtCol West didn't request an Article 32 investigation. It was required. Likewise, LtCol West wasn't found guilty by an Article 32 "trial". It is likely that the Art 32 officer reported sufficient grounds that the convening authority would have been forced to call a General or a Special Courts-Martial. Instead he elected to offer Lt. Col. West Article 15 non-judicial punishment and this was accepted.

Eric

Leddyman
02-12-2010, 03:12 PM
I think you're confused with George Bush, who used cocaine, was an alcoholic, and at least one DUI charged to him, and possibly others thrown out because of his father's influence. Is that what you meant? I'm not sure how any of this relates to UCMJ violations, anyway.

You know good and well that the Kenyan admitted to drug use and possibly to dealing. Where is your proof that Bush used cocaine? As I recall (actually I looked it up) it was widely speculated by the left wing media (that explains why you believe it) but it was never addressed by Bush as it was beneath contempt.

Bush acknowledges his DUI arrest in 1976 when he was 30. He paid a fine of 150.00 and had his license suspended. How is that getting DUI's fixed? Have you never gotten behind the wheel while intoxicated?

You recklessly throw out accusations. Bush said that when his father took office in 1988 and required that all of his cabinet members affirm that they had done no drugs for 15 years that he could have passed that test. That is the only public statement that he made. Bush also stated that while he drank too much on occasion, he was not an alcoholic. I don't think you are qualified to refute that.

You should be ashamed of yourself for accusing him of cocaine use. The Kenyan has openly admitted his use of hard drugs. Those are the facts. Actually the Kenyan's use of drugs is the least of the things about him that trouble me. His continued policies are killing the economy, that scares me more.

YardleyLabs
02-12-2010, 03:36 PM
[quote=dnf777;565974]

You know good and well that the Kenyan admitted to drug use and possibly to dealing.
When did he admit to dealing? He admitted to smoking grass and doing some cocaine when he could afford it. He also says he never did heroin. Personally, I smoked a lot of grass and hash, and did a little acid and mescalin the few times I could afford them. I would have tried cocaine had I been able to afford it (never could) in my drug experimenting days. The last time I did any illegal drugs of any kind was in 1973, a few months after finishing grad school. I'm not sure I ever met anyone in college who had not done any drugs at all. If such a person existed, I suspect they would have preferred to admit being virgins. Even the young republicans passed the joint around during meetings.:rolleyes:

dnf777
02-12-2010, 04:15 PM
Sorry Leddy, I got Bush confused with Cheney. It was Cheney who has two DUIs! (and five deferrments....or is it seven--hard to keep track!) But I'm not the only one factually inaccurate here. Just the only one who corrects it!

YardleyLabs
02-12-2010, 04:48 PM
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You recklessly throw out accusations. Bush said that when his father took office in 1988 and required that all of his cabinet members affirm that they had done no drugs for 15 years that he could have passed that test. That is the only public statement that he made. Bush also stated that while he drank too much on occasion, he was not an alcoholic. I don't think you are qualified to refute that.

...
Actually, that is not quite all that Bush said. In a series of conversations with Doug Wead, Bush certainly left the impression that he may well have used marijuana or cocaine but that he would never admit that publicly since it might encourage kids to do the same. He criticized those, such as Gore, who admitted their use for that reason.

The New York Times reported:

"Mr. Bush, who has acknowledged a drinking problem years ago, told Mr. Wead on the tapes that he could withstand scrutiny of his past. He said it involved nothing more than "just, you know, wild behavior." He worried, though, that allegations of cocaine use would surface in the campaign, and he blamed his opponents for stirring rumors. "If nobody shows up, there's no story," he told Mr. Wead, "and if somebody shows up, it is going to be made up." But when Mr. Wead said that Mr. Bush had in the past publicly denied using cocaine, Mr. Bush replied, "I haven't denied anything."

He refused to answer reporters' questions about his past behavior, he said, even though it might cost him the election. Defending his approach, Mr. Bush said: "I wouldn't answer the marijuana questions. You know why? Because I don't want some little kid doing what I tried."

He mocked Vice President Al Gore for acknowledging marijuana use. "Baby boomers have got to grow up and say, yeah, I may have done drugs, but instead of admitting it, say to kids, don't do them," he said."

(see http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/20/politics/20talk.html?_r=1)

Leddyman
02-12-2010, 06:19 PM
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When did he admit to dealing? He admitted to smoking grass and doing some cocaine when he could afford it. He also says he never did heroin. Personally, I smoked a lot of grass and hash, and did a little acid and mescalin the few times I could afford them. I would have tried cocaine had I been able to afford it (never could) in my drug experimenting days. The last time I did any illegal drugs of any kind was in 1973, a few months after finishing grad school. I'm not sure I ever met anyone in college who had not done any drugs at all. If such a person existed, I suspect they would have preferred to admit being virgins. Even the young republicans passed the joint around during meetings.:rolleyes:

O.K. I retract the dealing part. It was implied by Hillary's campaign. The rest of my statement I maintain.

The accusations of cocaine use by Bush merely illustrate the weakness of his argument.

Pals
02-12-2010, 06:37 PM
Au contraire Jeff- I went to a big ten school here in the heartland and never touched any drugs-let alone a cigarette-during my entire college career. Drank a bit my first semester and never drank again. Even to this day. I'm not that much younger than you either. The only reason the politicos admit to drug use is that someone would eventually rat them out. Anyway- interesting man LtCol.West. Don't think any of us here can judge what happened during his service to our country. I'll take him over damn near all the poopitians currently in office and the chicago thugs running the show now.

dnf777
02-12-2010, 07:23 PM
[QUOTE=YardleyLabs;566025]

O.K. I retract the dealing part. It was implied by Hillary's campaign. The rest of my statement I maintain.

The accusations of cocaine use by Bush merely illustrate the weakness of his argument.

Notwithstanding what Jeff took the time to point out, I find it curious that Bush failed to show up for a flight phyisical with the Nat'l Guard. Call me naive, but when I was in the military, failure to report was taken seriously. Skipping a pee test was taken even more seriously. And Bush DID have a DUI in the state of Maine. And gee, maybe he's not an alcoholic, but someone who admitted to drinking "too much", had a DUI and lost his license, and totally quit drinking ANY form of alcohol for the next 40 years.....meets some people's definition of alcoholism. Kudos to him for beating it! I do respect him for that, if nothing else.

Uncle Bill
02-14-2010, 11:44 AM
Notwithstanding what Jeff took the time to point out, I find it curious that Bush failed to show up for a flight phyisical with the Nat'l Guard. Call me naive, but when I was in the military, failure to report was taken seriously. Skipping a pee test was taken even more seriously. And Bush DID have a DUI in the state of Maine. And gee, maybe he's not an alcoholic, but someone who admitted to drinking "too much", had a DUI and lost his license, and totally quit drinking ANY form of alcohol for the next 40 years.....meets some people's definition of alcoholism. Kudos to him for beating it! I do respect him for that, if nothing else.


GREAT POST, ROGER! OOPS, YOU HAIN'T ROGER...ARE YOU?

I'm sorry, I get you two confused. But I shoulda known. One of you is a bleeding heart liberal, and the other is a flaming independant. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

My fault for the confusion, but you must admit, as you vacillate through life, it's difficult to recognize which pile of manure you are standing on.

UB

Gerry Clinchy
03-03-2010, 10:33 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VP2p91dvm6M&feature=player_embedded

The view counter indicates over 2,000,000 views.

This man is a powerful speaker. If he could rally more of like mind into Congress, there might be a chance of change.

It's an interesting contrast between his background being more "modest" than Obama's & coming forth with a very different view of what the Constitution was meant to provide ... equal opportunity, but not equal outcomes.

I haven't yet read the details on the Article 32 issue. If that issue were to be overcome this man could come out strongly in head-to-head with Obama ... and likely a lot of other Republicans.

Buzz
03-03-2010, 11:01 AM
WTF? Wow, just wow? I'll say. I went and listened to this guy. Here is my favorite quote:


If you're here to get your musket, to fix your bayonet, and to charge into the enemy ranks, you're my brother and sister in this fight. You need to leave here understanding one word, that is bayonets, and charge this enemy for your freedom, for your liberty...

That's some pretty f'in scarry stuff. This guy has no business getting anywhere near the levers of power in this country.

ducknwork
03-03-2010, 11:09 AM
:rolleyes:


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Buzz
03-03-2010, 11:13 AM
Thanks for the education.

I don't care for his analogies and metaphors. OK?

Those citizen militias out training on the weekends don't need to hear his analogies and metaphors.

kb27_99
03-03-2010, 02:12 PM
WTF? Wow, just wow? I'll say. I went and listened to this guy. Here is my favorite quote:



That's some pretty f'in scarry stuff. This guy has no business getting anywhere near the levers of power in this country.


For some reason your reaction doesn’t surprise me. Humm

kb27_99
03-03-2010, 02:13 PM
GREAT POST, ROGER! OOPS, YOU HAIN'T ROGER...ARE YOU?

I'm sorry, I get you two confused. But I shoulda known. One of you is a bleeding heart liberal, and the other is a flaming independant. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

My fault for the confusion, but you must admit, as you vacillate through life, it's difficult to recognize which pile of manure you are standing on.

UB

You crack me up UB, keep up the good work.

Buzz
03-03-2010, 03:16 PM
For some reason your reaction doesn’t surprise me. Humm

Right back at ya.

dnf777
03-03-2010, 03:26 PM
You crack me up UB, keep up the good work.

Hmmm...labeling (incorrectly, by the way), name calling, and cute little metaphors about animal feces......

How old are you? My 6 year old got a chuckle out of that one too, when I explained what manure is!

But doesn't address the issues. Guess he's got nothing to intelligent to say. But don't let that stop you!

Having served honorably for 14 years, I fail to see humor in failure to report, and skipping drug tests! I know the Army doesn't see humor in it either. I'm sure the Air Force has similar views.

kb27_99
03-03-2010, 03:36 PM
Hmmm...labeling (incorrectly, by the way), name calling, and cute little metaphors about animal feces......

How old are you? My 6 year old got a chuckle out of that one too, when I explained what manure is!

But doesn't address the issues. Guess he's got nothing to intelligent to say. But don't let that stop you!

Having served honorably for 14 years, I fail to see humor in failure to report, and skipping drug tests! I know the Army doesn't see humor in it either. I'm sure the Air Force has similar views.


Should I have used a private message instead? That way you wouldn't see it as a personal attack, if that’s the way you see it I sincerely apologize. I also would like to thank you for your service to our country. I don't have a dog in this particular fight, but I do find it disturbing that a person with your background would be an Obama cheerleader.

Cheers, Kevin

huntinman
03-03-2010, 03:38 PM
Hmmm...labeling (incorrectly, by the way), name calling, and cute little metaphors about animal feces......

How old are you? My 6 year old got a chuckle out of that one too, when I explained what manure is!

But doesn't address the issues. Guess he's got nothing to intelligent to say. But don't let that stop you!

Having served honorably for 14 years, I fail to see humor in failure to report, and skipping drug tests! I know the Army doesn't see humor in it either. I'm sure the Air Force has similar views.

But it's OK to make a coke snortin socialist Commander in Chief?? OK that really makes sense.

Hew
03-03-2010, 04:46 PM
WTF? Wow, just wow? I'll say. I went and listened to this guy. Here is my favorite quote:



That's some pretty f'in scarry stuff. This guy has no business getting anywhere near the levers of power in this country.
Your laughably feigned indignation at an obvious metaphor is an insult to the intelligence of all sentient life on this planet (and any other, for that matter). You should apologize to your dogs.

dnf777
03-03-2010, 05:07 PM
But it's OK to make a coke snortin socialist Commander in Chief?? OK that really makes sense.

Are you saying that? I didn't. What makes sense is sticking to the point here. Name calling is one of the last resorts of someone who is out of things intelligent to say. Not surprising this happens frequently with some people, but that's getting off the point again.

GWB failed to report for a flight physical, which included a drug test. You or I would be dealt with severely for the same violation. It is *rumored* to be the case that he engaged in using cocaine at a youthful point in his life, and skipping a military drug test does little to dispel those rumors. He wisely refused to answer questions regarding drug use, later in life. Other politicians would be wise to follow suit, as long as their puritans and hypocrites out there.

EdA
03-03-2010, 05:54 PM
Au contraire Jeff- I went to a big ten school here in the heartland and never touched any drugs-

whew!.....that makes me feel better I was beginning to think something was wrong with me.....

glad to know I was not the only college student who never puffed, snorted, or injected........ marijuana, cocaine, LSD.....?????

our drug of choice was beer, preferably Coors which we had to import from West Texas since Coors had not gotten into the cities due to lack of brewery capacity to get into those markets, they drank Lone Star in Austin YUK, smoked a few too many cigarettes too....stupid

in my last year of vet school at Texas A&M (1969) we heard about a couple of South America students who were growing peyote in a window box in their dorm room but I had no idea what peyote was, that was my first awareness of drugs on the university campus and I was 23 years old.....:shock:

road kill
03-03-2010, 05:56 PM
whew!.....that makes me feel better I was beginning to think something was wrong with me.....

glad to know I was not the only college student who never puffed, snorted, or injected........ marijuana, cocaine, LSD.....?????

our drug of choice was beer, preferably Coors which we had to import from West Texas since Coors had not gotten into the cities due to lack of brewery capacity to get into those markets, they drank Lone Star in Austin YUK, smoked a few too many cigarettes too....stupid

in my last year of vet school at Texas A&M (1969) we heard about a couple of South America students who were growing peyote in a window box in their dorm room but I had no idea what peyote was, that was my first awareness of drugs on the university campus and I was 23 years old.....:shock:

You guys are so "pedestrian.....":D





rk

huntinman
03-03-2010, 06:04 PM
Are you saying that? I didn't. What makes sense is sticking to the point here. Name calling is one of the last resorts of someone who is out of things intelligent to say. Not surprising this happens frequently with some people, but that's getting off the point again.

GWB failed to report for a flight physical, which included a drug test. You or I would be dealt with severely for the same violation. It is *rumored* to be the case that he engaged in using cocaine at a youthful point in his life, and skipping a military drug test does little to dispel those rumors. He wisely refused to answer questions regarding drug use, later in life. Other politicians would be wise to follow suit, as long as their puritans and hypocrites out there.

I'm not name calling. Obama bragged in his book about doing illegal drugs.

YardleyLabs
03-03-2010, 09:00 PM
whew!.....that makes me feel better I was beginning to think something was wrong with me.....

glad to know I was not the only college student who never puffed, snorted, or injected........ marijuana, cocaine, LSD.....?????

our drug of choice was beer, preferably Coors which we had to import from West Texas since Coors had not gotten into the cities due to lack of brewery capacity to get into those markets, they drank Lone Star in Austin YUK, smoked a few too many cigarettes too....stupid

in my last year of vet school at Texas A&M (1969) we heard about a couple of South America students who were growing peyote in a window box in their dorm room but I had no idea what peyote was, that was my first awareness of drugs on the university campus and I was 23 years old.....:shock:
At least I made it clear that I was talking about my alma mater, a bastion of eastern liberal elitists. Your problem, Ed, is that you are just too old.:D Anyone graduating pre-Woodstock just missed the bus (Ken Kesey's that is). There was a small group of post Woodstockers, including people like Steve Forbes and now Justice Sam Alito, who were definitely in the alcohol only set and even then in moderation. However, campus dealers were active in both the SDS and the Young Republicans, not because of any ideological leanings, but purely to be close to their customers.

M&K's Retrievers
03-03-2010, 11:29 PM
Are you saying that? I didn't. What makes sense is sticking to the point here. Name calling is one of the last resorts of someone who is out of things intelligent to say. Not surprising this happens frequently with some people, but that's getting off the point again.

GWB failed to report for a flight physical, which included a drug test. You or I would be dealt with severely for the same violation. It is *rumored* to be the case that he engaged in using cocaine at a youthful point in his life, and skipping a military drug test does little to dispel those rumors. He wisely refused to answer questions regarding drug use, later in life. Other politicians would be wise to follow suit, as long as their puritans and hypocrites out there.

Why is it in your opinion that whatever Bush did is a crime punishable by death but whatever Obama did was just a college prank? Give us a break. Independent my arse.

dnf777
03-04-2010, 05:11 AM
Why is it in your opinion that whatever Bush did is a crime punishable by death but whatever Obama did was just a college prank? Give us a break. Independent my arse.

Now you're comical. If you could read with an unbiased eye, you would have CLEARLY seen that I stated those who break the law should be punished, no matter who or what they are!

Not only did I NOT say what you implied, but I said the EXACT opposite! Wake up and smell the coffee! Quit imposing your political prejudices where they don't belong.

dnf777
03-04-2010, 05:16 AM
I'm not name calling. Obama bragged in his book about doing illegal drugs.

Did you really read his book? I didn't, so I'll take your word for it.
(and no, I really didn't read it...last book I read was Endurance, about Shackelton's antartic expedition. Makes us look like pansies by comparison)

Hey, maybe there's a fun thread in that? What's the last book, or favorite book, you've read?

road kill
03-04-2010, 06:24 AM
Did you really read his book? I didn't, so I'll take your word for it.
(and no, I really didn't read it...last book I read was Endurance, about Shackelton's antartic expedition. Makes us look like pansies by comparison)

Hey, maybe there's a fun thread in that? What's the last book, or favorite book, you've read?

Really??

Maybe you need a winter in WI!!!
Toughin' you up!!;-)



rk

huntinman
03-04-2010, 08:00 AM
Did you really read his book?

Absolutely not! Just heard that reported any number of times on tv and radio. Of course I believe anything I hear from professional journalists.

Buzz
03-04-2010, 08:19 AM
What's the last book, or favorite book, you've read?


Pillars of the Earth, by Ken Follett.:cool:

Buzz
03-04-2010, 09:03 AM
Originally Posted by EdA
whew!.....that makes me feel better I was beginning to think something was wrong with me.....

glad to know I was not the only college student who never puffed, snorted, or injected........ marijuana, cocaine, LSD.....?????

our drug of choice was beer, preferably Coors which we had to import from West Texas since Coors had not gotten into the cities due to lack of brewery capacity to get into those markets, they drank Lone Star in Austin YUK, smoked a few too many cigarettes too....stupid

in my last year of vet school at Texas A&M (1969) we heard about a couple of South America students who were growing peyote in a window box in their dorm room but I had no idea what peyote was, that was my first awareness of drugs on the university campus and I was 23 years old.....

At least I made it clear that I was talking about my alma mater, a bastion of eastern liberal elitists. Your problem, Ed, is that you are just too old.:D Anyone graduating pre-Woodstock just missed the bus (Ken Kesey's that is). There was a small group of post Woodstockers, including people like Steve Forbes and now Justice Sam Alito, who were definitely in the alcohol only set and even then in moderation. However, campus dealers were active in both the SDS and the Young Republicans, not because of any ideological leanings, but purely to be close to their customers.

From my point of view, you guys are both old... ;-) When Woodstock happend, I was in grade school.

dnf777
03-04-2010, 09:06 AM
From my point of view, you guys are both old... ;-) When Woodstock happend, I was in grade school.

What's Woodstock? :D

EdA
03-04-2010, 09:41 AM
Your problem, Ed, is that you are just too old.:D .

I am reminded of that on occasion when the body will not keep up with the spirit but it sure as heck beats the alternative

My only surviving immediate family member is one of my older brothers (6 years my senior) who had his 70th birthday recently. We wonder how in the hell 50 years disappeared so fast, seems like just the other day he was in law school at UT while I was in vet school at TAMU.

As my recently departed close friend A.C. Ray often said "there's nothing golden about the golden years"

dnf777
03-04-2010, 09:52 AM
We wonder how in the hell 50 years disappeared so fast, seems like just the other day he was in law school at UT while I was in vet school at TAMU."

That had to make for some interesting Saturday afternoons!

dave
TAMU '90

ducknwork
03-04-2010, 10:35 AM
From my point of view, you guys are both old... ;-) When Woodstock happend, I was in grade school.

All of you are old...I wasn't even a twinkle in my dad's eye until years after that...;-)

BonMallari
03-04-2010, 10:50 AM
That had to make for some interesting Saturday afternoons!

dave
TAMU '90

You should check out our family, Thanksgiving weekend is the only time I wont talk to my brother..he even asked me not to park my truck adorned with UT emblems next to the maroon aTm truck in the driveway....and thats in Boise :p

dnf777
03-04-2010, 03:05 PM
You should check out our family, Thanksgiving weekend is the only time I wont talk to my brother..he even asked me not to park my truck adorned with UT emblems next to the maroon aTm truck in the driveway....and thats in Boise :p

I can imagine! I've been to my share of professional and collegiate sports, but NOTHING, I mean NOTHING has ever come close to Kyle Field, Texas vs. TAMU!!

Farmers Fight regards,
dave