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M&K's Retrievers
02-19-2010, 10:20 AM
I wonder when/if Hilary is going to dump her present position and announce that she is exploring the possibilities of running for president. She's no spring chicken and she's got to be sickened by what Obama is doing to her party. I don't see her waiting until 2016.

BonMallari
02-19-2010, 12:24 PM
Hillary lost her window of opportunity, she looks tired and worn out , I think she is still stunned that she got steamrolled by BHO and I think that she and her husband no longer have the power and support that they held within the party

Hillary will not show up the President by running herself, but her ego and quest for power could not allow her to pass up a cabinet position and BHO knew it..they have marginalized her and made her into nothing more than a figure head and errand gal. BHO took a page from the Vito Corleone playbook about keeping your enemies closer

Franco
02-19-2010, 01:01 PM
Hillary is one poor excuse for a Sec. Of State!

Wednesday, she told Iran and the world that the USA would not use military force in stopping Iran's wish to build nuclear weapons. By taking that option off the table, we have sent a mesage that we are not serious about thier ambitions.

M&K's Retrievers
05-13-2010, 10:15 AM
Here she comes. Peeking around the corner. Sticking her toe in the water. Look for Bill to start the disgruntlement first.

dnf777
05-13-2010, 10:30 AM
I say this cautiously, but in the reality of today's media campaigns, and where images are everything, Hillary will need to find some excuse to disappear for a few weeks and have her eyes smoothed out and her marionette lines erased, if she's going to launch another run in the spotlight. She appears worn out and tired. Not the image you want a presidential candidate showing.

menmon
05-13-2010, 10:37 AM
Here she comes. Peeking around the corner. Sticking her toe in the water. Look for Bill to start the disgruntlement first.

Must not be anythng news worthy today for this unfounded rhetroic to be flowing like this.

All I can say for her so far is we have not entered any new wars. Our creditablity has been regained in many regions of the world where it had been severly damaged and I'm sure both her and Bill support the president.

david gibson
05-13-2010, 10:43 AM
Must not be anythng news worthy today for this unfounded rhetroic to be flowing like this.

All I can say for her so far is we have not entered any new wars. Our creditablity has been regained in many regions of the world where it had been severly damaged and I'm sure both her and Bill support the president.

i guess its 5 o'clock somewhere... ;-)

M&K's Retrievers
05-13-2010, 11:06 AM
I say this cautiously, but in the reality of today's media campaigns, and where images are everything, Hillary will need to find some excuse to disappear for a few weeks and have her eyes smoothed out and her marionette lines erased, if she's going to launch another run in the spotlight. She appears worn out and tired. Not the image you want a presidential candidate showing.

Nothing a little Preparation H wouldn't fix. :p

dnf777
05-13-2010, 11:26 AM
Nothing a little Preparation H wouldn't fix. :p

That was RUDE, CRUDE....... and effing HILARIOUS!

road kill
05-13-2010, 11:47 AM
Must not be anythng news worthy today for this unfounded rhetroic to be flowing like this.

All I can say for her so far is we have not entered any new wars. Our creditablity has been regained in many regions of the world where it had been severly damaged and I'm sure both her and Bill support the president.
Really....just where would that be????


Also;

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article7124638.ece

Interesting little peice.






rk

menmon
05-13-2010, 02:29 PM
Really....just where would that be????


Also;

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article7124638.ece

Interesting little peice.






rk

Pretty much everywhere that we don't have tanks

ducknwork
05-13-2010, 03:16 PM
Pretty much everywhere that we don't have tanks

Do we have tanks in North Korea? Or Iran?

M&K's Retrievers
05-13-2010, 03:38 PM
All I can say for her so far is we have not entered any new wars. Our creditablity has been regained in many regions of the world where it had been severly damaged and I'm sure both her and Bill support the president.

My guess is that the only thing that Bill and Hilary have to talk about other than money and their daughter is what an idiot obama is and that they still can't believe they lost to him.

depittydawg
05-13-2010, 04:01 PM
Hillary is one poor excuse for a Sec. Of State!

Wednesday, she told Iran and the world that the USA would not use military force in stopping Iran's wish to build nuclear weapons. By taking that option off the table, we have sent a mesage that we are not serious about thier ambitions.

That option has never been on the table. Of course we are not going to nuke Iran.

Goose
05-13-2010, 05:35 PM
Of course she'll run. I expect to see her quit after the mid-term massacre like a rat off a sinking ship.

There isn't a day goes by that Hillary doesn't look in the mirror and say to herself, "I can't believe I got beat by a Kenyan!"

We live in Cuba now.

Matt McKenzie
05-14-2010, 01:08 AM
Must not be anythng news worthy today for this unfounded rhetroic to be flowing like this.

All I can say for her so far is we have not entered any new wars. Our creditablity has been regained in many regions of the world where it had been severly damaged and I'm sure both her and Bill support the president.

Three questions:
1. How did you determine that our "credibility" was damaged?
2. How did you determine that it has been "regained"?
3. What exactly does our "regained credibility" provide us with regard to foreign policy and U.S. interests?


As far as Mrs. Clinton running for President, to quote my favorite Brit (Austin Danger Powers), "that train has sailed".

M&K's Retrievers
05-14-2010, 07:15 PM
George Stephonapolis(sp) just told Bill O'Riley that he didn't think Hilary would run against him but someone from the Left. The Left?

Gerry Clinchy
05-14-2010, 07:54 PM
Really was a brilliant coup by O to neutralize Hillary as he did.

kjrice
05-14-2010, 08:08 PM
I just hope she never wears a mini-skirt.

M&K's Retrievers
05-14-2010, 08:09 PM
Really was a brilliant coup by O to neutralize Hillary as he did.

Or maybe Clinton arrogance.

JDogger
05-14-2010, 10:45 PM
So you guys really do worship at the feet of "O". That is not "O"bama. That's O'Reilly, M&K, not O'Riley. I thought you would know the difference...:rolleyes:

I guess your a fan of Hanatee and Limbow too? :p

JD

M&K's Retrievers
05-15-2010, 01:35 AM
So you guys really do worship at the feet of "O". That is not "O"bama. That's O'Reilly, M&K, not O'Riley. I thought you would know the difference...:rolleyes:

I guess your a fan of Hanatee and Limbow too? :p

JD

It's an inside joke. My nickname to a few of my friends is Riley as in "Life of". Also, my cumputer dosent hav spel chek;-)

Matt McKenzie
05-16-2010, 12:37 PM
Three questions:
1. How did you determine that our "credibility" was damaged?
2. How did you determine that it has been "regained"?
3. What exactly does our "regained credibility" provide us with regard to foreign policy and U.S. interests?


As far as Mrs. Clinton running for President, to quote my favorite Brit (Austin Danger Powers), "that train has sailed".

I wonder what happened to Sambo.

M&K's Retrievers
05-16-2010, 06:35 PM
I wonder what happened to Sambo.

It's the weekend. He only has access to a computer in his cubicle at work.;-)

menmon
05-17-2010, 10:20 AM
Do we have tanks in North Korea? Or Iran?

No...but you would not question the spending, debt or deficit if they said they wanted to attack them too. But don't dare spend anything to help your neighbor.

ducknwork
05-17-2010, 10:45 AM
No...but you would not question the spending, debt or deficit if they said they wanted to attack them too. But don't dare spend anything to help your neighbor.

So has our credibility been regained any there? After all, we don't have tanks there, do we?

Oh, BTW, nice job attempting to read my mind. Maybe you should apply to the Miss Cleo school of crystal ballism.:rolleyes:

M&K's Retrievers
07-09-2010, 10:46 PM
Thought I'd bump this up.

My guess Hillary will resign in January and seek the Dem nomination. Carville is already warming up. Bitching about obama's lack of response to the spill. Now his polling company, Democracy Corps, is reporting polls stating that 56% of likely voters believe obama is too liberal and 55% believe he is a socialist.

Call me Karnack regards, :cool:

JDogger
07-09-2010, 11:19 PM
Thought I'd bump this up.

My guess Hillary will resign in January and seek the Dem nomination. Carville is already warming up. Bitching about obama's lack of response to the spill. Now his polling company, Democracy Corps, is reporting polls stating that 56% of likely voters believe obama is too liberal and 55% believe he is a socialist.

Call me Karnack regards, :cool:

Democracy Corps is not a difficult site to find. But, I find no reference to the poll you cite. Would you be good enough to provide a link? JD

M&K's Retrievers
07-09-2010, 11:51 PM
Democracy Corps is not a difficult site to find. But, I find no reference to the poll you cite. Would you be good enough to provide a link? JD

Found it on Drudge about half way down on the left "carville poll".

The direct link is:

http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/230874/55-percent-likely-voters-f

This will take you you to several articles. Scroll down till you find it .About 4 stories.

JDogger
07-10-2010, 04:24 AM
Found it on Drudge about half way down on the left "carville poll".

The direct link is:

http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/230874/55-percent-likely-voters-f

This will take you you to several articles. Scroll down till you find it .About 4 stories.

Polls are very accurate measurements of the electorate...you would agree?

subroc
07-10-2010, 06:57 AM
Polls are very accurate measurements of the electorate...you would agree?

no, elections are a good measurement of the electorate.

JDogger
07-10-2010, 07:33 AM
no, elections are a good measurement of the electorate.

Guess you missed the sarcasm :rolleyes:

subroc
07-10-2010, 07:48 AM
Maybe, I am not above missing a lob.

M&K's Retrievers
07-10-2010, 09:09 AM
Polls are very accurate measurements of the electorate...you would agree?

No. Just an indication. I thought in interesting that it came from Carville's firm.

BonMallari
07-10-2010, 09:37 AM
back when I answered the OP in Feb I figured no way no how...but I have re thought that stance when it comes to Bill/ Hillary..they are such egomaniacs that they may believe that as BHO numbers and popularity decline that they can swoop in and save the Dem party and ultimately save the country..pick you poison, would you rather face a failing incumbent or a surging comeback war horse

JDogger
07-10-2010, 11:28 PM
back when I answered the OP in Feb I figured no way no how...but I have re thought that stance when it comes to Bill/ Hillary..they are such egomaniacs that they may believe that as BHO numbers and popularity decline that they can swoop in and save the Dem party and ultimately save the country..pick you poison, would you rather face a failing incumbent or a surging comeback war horse

I pick "none of the above", and that includes those R's waiting in the wings. I think we would all like to see a candidate for 2012 emerge that most of us could support and believe in, regardless of affiliation. Unlikely though. Partisanship has reached levels that I think make that unlikely.
If the Republican party raises a viable candidate, they will be attacked and maligned as has become common these days. It is what it has become. :(

JD

M&K's Retrievers
07-10-2010, 11:43 PM
I pick "none of the above", and that includes those R's waiting in the wings. I think we would all like to see a candidate for 2012 emerge that most of us could support and believe in, regardless of affiliation. Unlikely though. Partisanship has reached levels that I think make that unlikely.
If the Republican party raises a viable candidate, they will be attacked and maligned as has become common these days. It is what it has become. :(

JD

I agree. I'm not sure who I would support but one thing I believe for sure. There needs to be gridlock either between The House and Senate or between Congress and The White House. The country is better off when these money grubbing, self interest, lying public servants can't accomplish anything.

JDogger
07-11-2010, 12:28 AM
I agree. I'm not sure who I would support but one thing I believe for sure. There needs to be gridlock either between The House and Senate or between Congress and The White House. The country is better off when these money grubbing, self interest, lying public servants can't accomplish anything.

I don't agree with you there m&k. Imperfect to be sure, but I believe we still have a better system than most of the rest of the world.

Your alternative?

I'm waiting to hear.

Regards, JD

M&K's Retrievers
07-11-2010, 01:05 AM
I don't agree with you there m&k. Imperfect to be sure, but I believe we still have a better system than most of the rest of the world.

Your alternative?

I'm waiting to hear.

Regards, JD

Your right but I think the existing system would work well if tweaked a little. Term limits, mandatory balanced budgets, Congressional members required to abide by the same rules as the rest of us (health care, social security, etc), no earmarks and no lobbyist appointments come to mind. JD, carpetbaggers came to the South after the Civil War taking advantage of the war torn South. I'm afraid that today Washington is full of 537 carpetbaggers and will remain so until the system is changed so that these bandits can't go to DC to get rich and set up for life. Don't you agree just a little?

Watching The Searchers with John Wayne regards,

charly_t
07-11-2010, 01:31 AM
Your right but I think the existing system would work well if tweaked a little. Term limits, mandatory balanced budgets, Congressional members required to abide by the same rules as the rest of us (health care, social security, etc), no earmarks and no lobbyist appointments come to mind. JD, carpetbaggers came to the South after the Civil War taking advantage of the war torn South. I'm afraid that today Washington is full of 537 carpetbaggers and will remain so until the system is changed so that these bandits can't go to DC to get rich and set up for life. Don't you agree just a little?

Watching The Searchers with John Wayne regards,

Love the John Wayne movies.

On the political side..........I have been sitting here at the computer lately wondering how many die-hard demos and repubs we have who wouldn't vote a split ticket to save the nation. I see all these arguements and it seems most of us have a strong bias one way or the other. The year that Bush (the younger) and Gore ran I wouldn't vote for either. We have not had a good man running for so long I have forgotten who it was. It would seem that voting all in DC out as soon as possible might be a move in the right direction.
Just one question .......... can either major party find an honest man ( or woman ) to run for any office anywhere ?

M&K's Retrievers
07-11-2010, 03:29 PM
can either major party find an honest man ( or woman ) to run for any office anywhere ?

I beginning to wonder if it's possible for an honest person to win a political office in DC.:(

BonMallari
07-11-2010, 03:50 PM
I beginning to wonder if it's possible for an honest person to win a political office in DC.:(


have you ever heard the term "power corrupts"....I think there are some/many "honest"politicians but the people that put them in those places are corrupt,our political process has made it difficult if not impossible to remove them from office...could you imagine if POTUS had NO term limit..I think the only way that we get back control of our govt is with term limits and elimination of lobbyists

M&K's Retrievers
07-11-2010, 04:12 PM
have you ever heard the term "power corrupts"....I think there are some/many "honest"politicians but the people that put them in those places are corrupt,our political process has made it difficult if not impossible to remove them from office...could you imagine if POTUS had NO term limit..I think the only way that we get back control of our govt is with term limits and elimination of lobbyists

Oh, I agree with you 100%

M&K's Retrievers
07-18-2010, 05:49 PM
Both Pat Buchanan and Eleanor Cliff of MSNBC predict that Hilary and Biden will switch roles in 2012. I could see Obama running Biden off but Sec. of State?

BonMallari
07-18-2010, 05:57 PM
Both Pat Buchanan and Eleanor Cliff of MSNBC predict that Hilary and Biden will switch roles in 2012. I could see Obama running Biden off but Sec. of State?

BHO may need the remaining Clinton loyalists out there to fight off being a one term POTUS, but not sure Biden's ego would allow him to step aside,I still think he has presidential aspirations of his own..Still think Hilary/Bill think they can beat BHO in a rematch of the "fairy tale"

M&K's Retrievers
07-18-2010, 06:08 PM
BHO may need the remaining Clinton loyalists out there to fight off being a one term POTUS, but not sure Biden's ego would allow him to step aside,I still think he has presidential aspirations of his own..Still think Hilary/Bill think they can beat BHO in a rematch of the "fairy tale"

And, I fear, many Independents. If she were to run in for either position it would not bode well for Conservatives.

BonMallari
07-18-2010, 06:19 PM
And, I fear, many Independents. If she were to run in for either position it would not bode well for Conservatives.


I agree ...the conservatives have no current answer for her, because she is so much further to the right than BHO which puts her in the center...She also has foreign policy experience on her resume...

As much as it pains me to admit...the Republicans can beat Obama...I am not sure they can beat Clinton

M&K's Retrievers
07-18-2010, 09:03 PM
I agree ...the conservatives have no current answer for her, because she is so much further to the right than BHO which puts her in the center...She also has foreign policy experience on her resume...

As much as it pains me to admit...the Republicans can beat Obama...I am not sure they can beat Clinton

I'm not sure about that.

david gibson
07-18-2010, 09:19 PM
I'm not sure about that.

jan brewer could be the sleeper....

M&K's Retrievers
07-18-2010, 11:45 PM
If Obama has Hilary as his VP, perhaps that will open up a new Czar position - Food Taster.:rolleyes:

david gibson
07-19-2010, 07:21 AM
I agree ...the conservatives have no current answer for her, because she is so much further to the right than BHO which puts her in the center...She also has foreign policy experience on her resume...

As much as it pains me to admit...the Republicans can beat Obama...I am not sure they can beat Clinton

you may be on to something here if we had a "rerun", b
ut if hillary makes a go at it or she and biden trade places i think it shows the dems admitting they had it all wrong to begin with and are divisive within themselves. self destruction wont win votes from independents..

gman0046
07-19-2010, 09:55 AM
Just think of what would happen if Obongo was left off the 2012 ticket? It would be 1960's rioting all over again.

M&K's Retrievers
07-26-2010, 08:54 AM
More fuel to the fire?

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=38226

Gerry Clinchy
07-26-2010, 10:53 AM
Wouldn't surprise me if Hilary is "setting up" in case events turn in her favor.

I don't think she is at all happy as a second banana.

M&K's Retrievers
07-26-2010, 10:58 AM
And I don't think Bill is happy as third banana. :D

BonMallari
07-26-2010, 11:05 AM
And I don't think Bill is happy as third banana. :D

Blii still thinks "its a fairy tale...gimme a break"...:p:p

M&K's Retrievers
09-03-2010, 12:34 AM
Check out this ad:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/hillary-in-2012/

Gerry Clinchy
09-04-2010, 09:05 PM
Monica Crowley did a long piece on Hillary's plans for 2012.

She and Bill just spent a week hobnobbing with big $ in the Hamptons ... big $ Democratic contributors.

Crowley pointed out Hillary's Presidential aspirations in March 2009 ... and today's commentary could be very convincing. She pointed out a lot of interesting points:

1) Hillary will look like she is a "safe" alternative to Obama in 2012. She likely figures she has to make her move in 2012, because she will be perceived as too old in 2016.

2) She will play the "gender" card (first woman POTUS) in much the same way that Obama used the "race" card (first black POTUS). That would "excite" voters to vote for the first woman Pres as they were "excited" about the landmark of first black POTUS in 2008.

3) Hillary would follow the same route as O did ... making voters think she is "moderate" when she is really just as "left" as O. She still believes in socialized medicine & higher taxes, but she will not run on that :-)

4) Monica noted a number of strategic moves on Hillary's part over the past 18 mos. H always wanted govt medical care, but she knows the people hate the thought, so you never heard H taking a big role in the health care hubbub. Her name was never mentioned in the Petraeus todo, even though her State Dept was also involved in the whole thing. Billy Boy has been campaigning for D candidates that are often NOT ones the WH is favoring. Bill also spoke out unfavorably on O's handling of the oil spill. Amazingly, Bill has a high popularity rating (not sure what poll she was citing) than O does.

5) After the Nov. elections, especially if D's lose seats in both houses, she will start to really run the table as the candidate that can save the D party from disaster in 2012.

6) Basically there are many D's who are unhappy with O, and that leaves the door open for Hillary in 2012.

7) O has "appeased" Billy and Hillary with govt jobs ... but appeasement doesn't work in the long haul.

8) Hillary has not made protestations about the speculation that she will run for POTUS. She is letting the speculation grow.

Crowley also made a point that O really doesn't care much for the job of POTUS. Once he made the historical mark of the first black Pres, he's probably just as happy to get on with his life ... Lord knows he could end up being a Congressman again or, at least, make buckets of dough as a former Pres.

It was really a pretty fascinating piece ... and it will be interesting to see how this plays out after the Nov. elections when Crowley predicts H will start to make her moves.

M&K's Retrievers
09-04-2010, 10:53 PM
Monica Crowley did a long piece on Hillary's plans for 2012.

She and Bill just spent a week hobnobbing with big $ in the Hamptons ... big $ Democratic contributors.

Crowley pointed out Hillary's Presidential aspirations in March 2009 ... and today's commentary could be very convincing. She pointed out a lot of interesting points:

1) Hillary will look like she is a "safe" alternative to Obama in 2012. She likely figures she has to make her move in 2012, because she will be perceived as too old in 2016.

2) She will play the "gender" card (first woman POTUS) in much the same way that Obama used the "race" card (first black POTUS). That would "excite" voters to vote for the first woman Pres as they were "excited" about the landmark of first black POTUS in 2008.

3) Hillary would follow the same route as O did ... making voters think she is "moderate" when she is really just as "left" as O. She still believes in socialized medicine & higher taxes, but she will not run on that :-)

4) Monica noted a number of strategic moves on Hillary's part over the past 18 mos. H always wanted govt medical care, but she knows the people hate the thought, so you never heard H taking a big role in the health care hubbub. Her name was never mentioned in the Petraeus todo, even though her State Dept was also involved in the whole thing. Billy Boy has been campaigning for D candidates that are often NOT ones the WH is favoring. Bill also spoke out unfavorably on O's handling of the oil spill. Amazingly, Bill has a high popularity rating (not sure what poll she was citing) than O does.

5) After the Nov. elections, especially if D's lose seats in both houses, she will start to really run the table as the candidate that can save the D party from disaster in 2012.

6) Basically there are many D's who are unhappy with O, and that leaves the door open for Hillary in 2012.

7) O has "appeased" Billy and Hillary with govt jobs ... but appeasement doesn't work in the long haul.

8) Hillary has not made protestations about the speculation that she will run for POTUS. She is letting the speculation grow.

Crowley also made a point that O really doesn't care much for the job of POTUS. Once he made the historical mark of the first black Pres, he's probably just as happy to get on with his life ... Lord knows he could end up being a Congressman again or, at least, make buckets of dough as a former Pres.

It was really a pretty fascinating piece ... and it will be interesting to see how this plays out after the Nov. elections when Crowley predicts H will start to make her moves.

Good observation.

Gerry Clinchy
09-05-2010, 08:40 PM
NY Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/05/world/middleeast/05clinton.html?th&emc=th

Hillary & the Mid-East Peace Talks ... could make a President :-) or dash her dreams.

M&K's Retrievers
09-23-2010, 07:47 PM
Hillary is being awful quite while Bill is becoming more vocal. Are they just waiting to pick up the pieces of the Democratic Party while hoping the electorate will be enamored by the prospect of electing the first woman president and also the first and probably the only husband and wife combo? They are going to dump Obama by the middle of November and announce their intent to run in March.

Crystal ball regards,

depittydawg
09-24-2010, 02:29 AM
no, elections are a good measurement of the electorate.

Since 2000, even that is questionable.

M&K's Retrievers
03-17-2011, 12:31 PM
Thought I would bump this up.

M&K's Retrievers
04-04-2011, 10:32 PM
I wish i could play the theme music to "Jaws" as Hillary circles around Obama's Orca.

Blood in the water regards,

huntinman
04-04-2011, 10:54 PM
She tried to warn them...

JDogger
04-04-2011, 11:58 PM
I wish i could play the theme music to "Jaws" as Hillary circles around Obama's Orca.

Blood in the water regards,


Like to bump yer own threads do ya, Mike?

Gerry Clinchy
04-05-2011, 11:45 AM
Heard an interesting analysis on the Hillary situation the other day.

The concept expressed was that Hillary realizes now that she made a mistake by not staying in the Senate. If she had done that she might now have a shot at the nomination.

As SOS she now is too closely associated with Obama policies. Not to mention that the Libyan policy has been very unpopular, and she has been given the credit for encouraging the POTUS to take the position there. As a Senator, she could have distanced herself from those associations.

Hillary any less left than Obama? Not. Hillary may try to present that image ... but really believe it's just a facade, a political ploy.

M&K's Retrievers
04-05-2011, 01:00 PM
Like to bump yer own threads do ya, Mike?

Only because the topic keeps coming up.

Gerry Clinchy
04-07-2011, 03:12 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/07/world/africa/07rebels.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha2

Well, Hillary took a pretty high profile on this Libya thing ... and it's turning out to be a real mess.

The NY Times hasn't actually come out and said that it's a mess, but this article hints that it ain't going to be over anytime soon. Or, if it is, the rebels might not be the ones to come out on top.

The last line of the article states:

another of the daily exchanges of fire in a ground war bogged down.

I keep thinking of Laurel & Hardy, "Another fine mess you've gotten us into, Ollie."