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Sabireley
03-04-2010, 11:49 AM
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2010/01/025329.php

This is well done. I don't agree with it all, but it is put together well.

ducknwork
03-04-2010, 12:14 PM
I like it...


I know, I know, some of that stuff was Bush's fault. Let's get all of the oxygen thieves out of the Senate and House. I don't give a damn what party they belong to, if they aren't doing what's right, give 'em the boot.

YardleyLabs
03-04-2010, 12:24 PM
It does lead to some interesting questions:


Who was President when TARP was proposed and adopted to provide $750 billion in bailout assistance to banks?
Since Obama's inauguration, have taxes increased, decreased, or stayed the same?
Other than in the health care proposals, what tax increases has Obama proposed for implementation over the next two years?
Are there tax increases or decreases scheduled to take effect over the next two years that were not proposed or adopted since the inauguration?
What has happened to overall economic growth since the inauguration relative to what happened over the prior 18 months?
What has happened to the stock market since the inauguration as compared with what happened over the prior 18 months?Are the answers to any of these questions relevant to an assessment of the Obama Presidency?

Cody Covey
03-04-2010, 12:29 PM
well when you make all the tax increases happen after your presidency is over (including a second term) i guess you can claim you aren't raising taxes.

Buzz
03-04-2010, 01:00 PM
It does lead to some interesting questions:


Who was President when TARP was proposed and adopted to provide $750 billion in bailout assistance to banks?
Since Obama's inauguration, have taxes increased, decreased, or stayed the same?
Other than in the health care proposals, what tax increases has Obama proposed for implementation over the next two years?
Are there tax increases or decreases scheduled to take effect over the next two years that were not proposed or adopted since the inauguration?
What has happened to overall economic growth since the inauguration relative to what happened over the prior 18 months?
What has happened to the stock market since the inauguration as compared with what happened over the prior 18 months?Are the answers to any of these questions relevant to an assessment of the Obama Presidency?


The answers to these questions don't matter to the folks who made this video. I strongly suspect that they already knew the answers before they went into production, and went ahead and threw all that BS up against the wall to see how much of it sticks. In a country that is racing down the road to Idiocracy, I don't have any faith that any of your questions will even enter the minds of the vast majority of those who see the video.

But it is nicely done though, - the only requirement of propaganda in an Idiocracy.

Sabireley
03-04-2010, 01:15 PM
Both parties can share the blame for much of what the video blames on the Dems. However, the handling of the proposed healthcare legislation and the continued lack of fiscal restraint (carried over from the last administration and democratic legislature) has made many of the swing voters mad and ready to vote for another change. We'll see what the Replicans and independents put up in 2010. It does not bode well for the current "stars" of the Democratic party.

Franco
03-04-2010, 01:29 PM
Is there any question that Obama is moving us towards European style Socialism?

Is there any question that Obama will heavily tax productive Americans in the near future to pay for all his entitlements?

Is there any question that Obama's out-of-control when it comes to spending? That his only solution for problems is to spend more borrowed and freshly printed money?

Is there any question that Obama is mishandling terrorist by giving them the same rights as US citizens? And, that his closing of Guantanimo is a disaster?

Is there any question that Obama wants to destroy the finest medical system in the world so that he can socialize medicine?

And, if you think the worst is over economically, then you haven't seen nothing yet!

I just finished reading Robert Wiedener's new book, Aftershock. It is about the financial crisis that the Obama Administration is growing. If we don't start cutting spending NOW and get our debt in order, our heritage will be a thing of the past!

M&K's Retrievers
03-04-2010, 01:50 PM
It does lead to some interesting questions:


Who was President when TARP was proposed and adopted to provide $750 billion in bailout assistance to banks?
Since Obama's inauguration, have taxes increased, decreased, or stayed the same?
Other than in the health care proposals, what tax increases has Obama proposed for implementation over the next two years?
Are there tax increases or decreases scheduled to take effect over the next two years that were not proposed or adopted since the inauguration?
What has happened to overall economic growth since the inauguration relative to what happened over the prior 18 months?
What has happened to the stock market since the inauguration as compared with what happened over the prior 18 months?Are the answers to any of these questions relevant to an assessment of the Obama Presidency?

Instead of spin doctor I give you spin Yardley

Koolaid
03-04-2010, 01:55 PM
It's only spin if he's outright disagreeing with you. Those were just questions.

YardleyLabs
03-04-2010, 02:59 PM
Instead of spin doctor I give you spin Yardley
Does that mean you know the answers and know that none of them supports your beliefs, or just that facts are irrelevant no matter what?

luvmylabs23139
03-04-2010, 03:08 PM
BUMFACE raised the taxes on tobbaco products!!!!!!!!!!

Buzz
03-04-2010, 03:14 PM
Does that mean you know the answers and know that none of them supports your beliefs, or just that facts are irrelevant no matter what?

Looking at Franco's post, would it be fair to say that this applies to him because he has a crystal ball?

Buzz
03-04-2010, 03:14 PM
BUMFACE raised the taxes on tobbaco products!!!!!!!!!!

I guess I didn't notice. Last time I bought tobacco products was 1986.

Franco
03-04-2010, 03:25 PM
Looking at Franco's post, would it be fair to say that this applies to him because he has a crystal ball?

Tell me how an administration can spend printed and borrowed money without having to deal with the devil later?

And, how would you lable a President that wants people that can afford Health Insurance to pay for those that can't?

I think one would have to be blind not to see the financial chaos that will result from Obama's policies. However, when we face financial armageddon, unlike those drinking the Obama kool-aide, I'll be prepared!

YardleyLabs
03-04-2010, 03:41 PM
Is there any question that Obama is moving us towards European style Socialism?Beyond sounding like a curse, I'm not even sure I know what this means. I think he wants to establish universal health insurance. No secret has been made of that fact. I think he believes in having a social safety net as has every Democrat beginning with FDR. I don't equate any of that with socialism or anti-Americanism.



Is there any question that Obama will heavily tax productive Americans in the near future to pay for all his entitlements?Actually, I suspect he will tax them about the same amount that Reagan did, or dramatically less than in almost any developed country in the world. The primary tax will not be one passed by Obama. It will be the one passed by Bush and the Republicans in Congress in 2001 and 2003. Those cuts called for tax increases beginning next year. Are you suggesting that Obama is responsible for that failure? The Republicans passed those tax increases because they could not justify losing more revenues to make the tax cuts passed seven years ago permanent. Instead, they made the cuts greater each year and then eliminated them. The chicken has now come home to roost and it is carrying the flag of the GOP. Anyone who would extend those tax cuts without first solving the rest of our deficit is fiscally insane.


Is there any question that Obama's out-of-control when it comes to spending? That his only solution for problems is to spend more borrowed and freshly printed money?
Unfortunately, I think Obama has continued down the same profligate path as his predecessor. When it comes to deficit management, he looks too much like a Republican for my taste, running up deficits in a manner that would have made Reagan and Bush proud. Unfortunately, part of the solution to the deficit will probably demand a 25-35% reduction in military spending along with comparable cuts in all other discretionary spending. I suspect that the best case for entitlement spending, which is almost entirely a function of Medicare and Social Security, is to balance future benefits and revenues. That requires actions equivalent to either a 10% reduction in benefits over time or a 10% increase in revenues. It makes no difference in the present since these programs now generate a surplus.


Is there any question that Obama is mishandling terrorist by giving them the same rights as US citizens? And, that his closing of Guantanimo is a disaster?
Actually, I think the rights you are talking about are the rights that we all have to be considered innocent absent a proof of guilt. That is the right of all people, citizens or not, who are subject to our justice system. In the absence of such protections, the only difference between a terrorist and a civilian is the word of an accuser who may have his own agenda.



Is there any question that Obama wants to destroy the finest medical system in the world so that he can socialize medicine?Do you actually believe he woke up one morning and said "What can I do to destroy the best medical system in the world?" If you are going to call ours the best system in the world, you might want to start off by defining your terms of reference.


And, if you think the worst is over economically, then you haven't seen nothing yet!

I just finished reading Robert Wiedener's new book, Aftershock. It is about the financial crisis that the Obama Administration is growing. If we don't start cutting spending NOW and get our debt in order, our heritage will be a thing of the past!
I suspect that you are right. I also believe that there will be no solution that does not involve higher taxes because I do not know any responsible group that has any strategy for closing the deficit based solely on spending cuts that our electorate is willing to tolerate. The reality is that Reagan and Bush slashed taxes while increasing spending to keep "the base" happy. So far, Obama has done nothing to make the situation better. However, the tea party crowd is asking for more of the same: lower taxes, more spending for all that they like (which includes Medicare and social security), and less for the mythical unwashed hordes that must be eating our lunch. Unfortunately, when you go to the budget you find that the hordes eating our lunch are the same people complaining about the bill.

dnf777
03-04-2010, 04:01 PM
Instead of spin doctor I give you spin Yardley

Give us what you want, but you wouldn't (or couldn't) answer Yardley's questions. Why not? Yet ANOTHER example of diversion and avoidance of answering reasonable questions and debate.

Go ahead, call me some names or attach more labels, I'm fully prepared and anticipating the typical response, as you demonstrated above! This pattern is getting old...

Franco
03-04-2010, 08:24 PM
Beyond sounding like a curse, I'm not even sure I know what this means. I think he wants to establish universal health insurance. No secret has been made of that fact. I think he believes in having a social safety net as has every Democrat beginning with FDR. I don't equate any of that with socialism or anti-Americanism.

What Obama is proposing is that for those that can’t afford to pay for Health Ins. , will get it for free! You don’t equate that with being a Socialist?


Actually, I suspect he will tax them about the same amount that Reagan did, or dramatically less than in almost any developed country in the world. The primary tax will not be one passed by Obama. It will be the one passed by Bush and the Republicans in Congress in 2001 and 2003. Those cuts called for tax increases beginning next year. Are you suggesting that Obama is responsible for that failure? The Republicans passed those tax increases because they could not justify losing more revenues to make the tax cuts passed seven years ago permanent. Instead, they made the cuts greater each year and then eliminated them. The chicken has now come home to roost and it is carrying the flag of the GOP. Anyone who would extend those tax cuts without first solving the rest of our deficit is fiscally insane.

Tax them the same? We are talking about facing 16 Trillion in debt! We either reign in spending, cut taxes for businesses and leave Gov run Healthcare, Cap and Tax and all the other foolish ideas in the dumpster!


Unfortunately, I think Obama has continued down the same profligate path as his predecessor. When it comes to deficit management, he looks too much like a Republican for my taste, running up deficits in a manner that would have made Reagan and Bush proud. Unfortunately, part of the solution to the deficit will probably demand a 25-35% reduction in military spending along with comparable cuts in all other discretionary spending. I suspect that the best case for entitlement spending, which is almost entirely a function of Medicare and Social Security, is to balance future benefits and revenues. That requires actions equivalent to either a 10% reduction in benefits over time or a 10% increase in revenues. It makes no difference in the present since these programs now generate a surplus.

We all agree Bush43 started the spending mess, that’s not the solution! Forget Dem or Rep, think about the consequences we will have to deal with! We are going to have to suck it up for several years. I know that’s not what the voters want to hear but, it’s the truth. Just look how our government suckered us into bailing out the Investment Banks! Those crooks walked with BILLIONS of our tax dollars!!! The Federal Government is out of control! That’s the problem, they’ve lost touch with reality.


Actually, I think the rights you are talking about are the rights that we all have to be considered innocent absent a proof of guilt. That is the right of all people, citizens or not, who are subject to our justice system. In the absence of such protections, the only difference between a terrorist and a civilian is the word of an accuser who may have his own agenda.

Terrorist should be handled by Military Tribunals. What are YOU going to say when Eric Holder’s circus fails to get convictions in Criminal Court?


Do you actually believe he woke up one morning and said "What can I do to destroy the best medical system in the world?" If you are going to call ours the best system in the world, you might want to start off by defining your terms of reference.

He sure wants to pass his multi-TRILLION dollar Healthcare reform! Pelosi saying it will create jobs. Yea, government jobs! She and Reid, and the rest of the White House gang make the American people look foolish.



I suspect that you are right. I also believe that there will be no solution that does not involve higher taxes because I do not know any responsible group that has any strategy for closing the deficit based solely on spending cuts that our electorate is willing to tolerate. The reality is that Reagan and Bush slashed taxes while increasing spending to keep "the base" happy. So far, Obama has done nothing to make the situation better. However, the tea party crowd is asking for more of the same: lower taxes, more spending for all that they like (which includes Medicare and social security), and less for the mythical unwashed hordes that must be eating our lunch. Unfortunately, when you go to the budget you find that the hordes eating our lunch are the same people complaining about the bill.

We need to clean up DC! Whoever serves has to know they are accountable. We’ve trusted these Bozos long enough and it is the voters fault. Let us learn from our mistakes and keep the Feds on a short leach!

luvmylabs23139
03-04-2010, 08:29 PM
I guess I didn't notice. Last time I bought tobacco products was 1986.

Well the DUMMS think the people are stupid.
They increased the tobacco tax claiming that it would pay for their massive expansion of that KID insurance junk. Nothing more than socialism and redistribution of wealth. The increase in tobacco taxes will fall well short of this. Hundreds of thousands of people would need to START smoking in order to pay for that latest form of welfare.
It flew under the radar because it was a tobacco tax.
Everyone will pay in the end or our deficit will get a massive increase.
The tobacco increase does NOT pay for this welfare program!!!!

YardleyLabs
03-04-2010, 10:11 PM
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What Obama is proposing is that for those that canít afford to pay for Health Ins. , will get it for free! You donít equate that with being a Socialist?

No. I consider all health insurance to be socialistic, especially when less than 10% of the cost of health insurance is paid by the beneficiaries. Why should only the poor, the elderly and the higher paid employees receive socialized medicine. Why can't the working poor get it also?

Tax them the same? We are talking about facing 16 Trillion in debt! We either reign in spending, cut taxes for businesses and leave Gov run Healthcare, Cap and Tax and all the other foolish ideas in the dumpster!

The fundamental gap in entitlements stems directly from health care. Social Security and Medicare currently generate a $200 billion/year "profit". They need to generate a bigger profit to meet their full costs over the next 75 years. The gap is about 10% per year. There is a multi-trillion dollar gap beyond that between what the beneficiaries paid into the system and the cash available because of the IOU's that were written to finance the deficits created by the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts. That is part of the $12 trillion public debt and it will need to be repaid.

We all agree Bush43 started the spending mess, thatís not the solution! Forget Dem or Rep, think about the consequences we will have to deal with! We are going to have to suck it up for several years. I know thatís not what the voters want to hear but, itís the truth. Just look how our government suckered us into bailing out the Investment Banks! Those crooks walked with BILLIONS of our tax dollars!!! The Federal Government is out of control! Thatís the problem, theyíve lost touch with reality.
Actually Reagan was almost as bad as Bush43 when it came to cutting revenues while increasing spending. As I noted, however, there is no way to close the gap through spending reductions alone. I don't care what your ideology is, more taxes will have to be part of the solution.

Terrorist should be handled by Military Tribunals. What are YOU going to say when Eric Holderís circus fails to get convictions in Criminal Court?

So far, the conviction rate is better in civilian courts than in military ones. The miliitary ones have failed so far. We can try again if the civilian ones fail also.

He sure wants to pass his multi-TRILLION dollar Healthcare reform! Pelosi saying it will create jobs. Yea, government jobs! She and Reid, and the rest of the White House gang make the American people look foolish.

Do you just make numbers up? The CBO estimates are about $100 billion per year which is financed through a mix of increased taxes and spending cuts. I suspect that both the costs and the savings are understated only because they do not consider changes in medical technology.

We need to clean up DC! Whoever serves has to know they are accountable. Weíve trusted these Bozos long enough and it is the voters fault. Let us learn from our mistakes and keep the Feds on a short leach!

That's fine unless the bozos going in are as factually challenged as the propaganda being used to stimulate action.

................pretending I'm HEW ................:rolleyes:

luvmylabs23139
03-04-2010, 10:28 PM
All BUMFACE want to do is trash this county. He is a socialist. He wants those of us that actually pay INCOME taxes to pay for everyone else. He can go to hell, and is committing treason!!!! He should be charged as such and when convicted receive the strongest penalty!!!!!!!!!!

YardleyLabs
03-04-2010, 10:39 PM
All BUMFACE want to do is trash this county. He is a socialist. He wants those of us that actually pay INCOME taxes to pay for everyone else. He can go to hell, and is committing treason!!!! He should be charged as such and when convicted receive the strongest penalty!!!!!!!!!!
I'm assuming this wasn't intended as a rational argument.:rolleyes:

1. I don't think Obama meets any test of socialism. He seems a lot more comfortable with money and the people that have it.

2. Presumably all of our bills must be paid by those that pay taxes.

3. Assuming that hell exists, I am sure that he could go there as could you, me, or any of the rest of us.

4. How exactly is he committing treason? Presumably if you want him to be charged and convicted you must have some charges and evidence in mind. Unless, of course, we really are in Cuba now, and a right wing one at that.

Henry V
03-04-2010, 10:53 PM
All BUMFACE want to do is trash this county. He is a socialist. He wants those of us that actually pay INCOME taxes to pay for everyone else. He can go to hell, and is committing treason!!!! He should be charged as such and when convicted receive the strongest penalty!!!!!!!!!!
Kinda reminds me of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTbB4dDphys&feature=related Looks like your journey is complete.

M&K's Retrievers
03-04-2010, 11:05 PM
Does that mean you know the answers and know that none of them supports your beliefs, or just that facts are irrelevant no matter what?

Nope. It means that whatever anyone says, you have to spin it with volumes of bullshit. That's all.

JDogger
03-04-2010, 11:37 PM
All BUMFACE want to do is trash this county. He is a socialist. He wants those of us that actually pay INCOME taxes to pay for everyone else. He can go to hell, and is committing treason!!!! He should be charged as such and when convicted receive the strongest penalty!!!!!!!!!!

I wish your new pup a happy and loving home. Try to lighten up a little.
Young pups pick up so much on their environment, and your's sounds so angry.
The tide will swing, as it always does.

Will things change?

I'll look for your answer in 2013.

Best of luck regards,

JD

Franco
03-05-2010, 12:42 AM
My replies in red since I don't know how to do multiple quotes.


No. I consider all health insurance to be socialistic, especially when less than 10% of the cost of health insurance is paid by the beneficiaries. Why should only the poor, the elderly and the higher paid employees receive socialized medicine. Why can't the working poor get it also?

I don’t know where you get 10% from. I’ve paid in a hell of a lot more than 10% of what I have used in Health Insurance. Working poor? That’s why we have Charity type hospitals and Medicare. Everyone in this country can get medical attention including illegal aliens. Life is not fair and if we try and make it so, we all loose!

The fundamental gap in entitlements stems directly from health care. Social Security and Medicare currently generate a $200 billion/year "profit". They need to generate a bigger profit to meet their full costs over the next 75 years. The gap is about 10% per year. There is a multi-trillion dollar gap beyond that between what the beneficiaries paid into the system and the cash available because of the IOU's that were written to finance the deficits created by the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts. That is part of the $12 trillion public debt and it will need to be repaid.

Congress just raised the debt ceiling to 14 trillion. By many estimates, Healthcare reform will cost another trillion. Someone in a leadership role should have stood up and block the raising of the debt limit.

Actually Reagan was almost as bad as Bush43 when it came to cutting revenues while increasing spending. As I noted, however, there is no way to close the gap through spending reductions alone. I don't care what your ideology is, more taxes will have to be part of the solution.

No doubt Obama will raise taxes on the working class, he has too.
And, being the good Democrat that he is, he'll continue with massive entitlement spending.


So far, the conviction rate is better in civilian courts than in military ones. The miliitary ones have failed so far. We can try again if the civilian ones fail also.

Another waste of several billion dollars and if anyone can bungle this trial, it’s Holder. All the while we give these thugs a world stage in telling the world how bad we are.

Do you just make numbers up? The CBO estimates are about $100 billion per year which is financed through a mix of increased taxes and spending cuts. I suspect that both the costs and the savings are understated only because they do not consider changes in medical

I don’t believe any dollar estimates that come out of the Capitol! Experience tells us to multiple it by 20x.
That's fine unless the bozos going in are as factually challenged as the propaganda being used to stimulate action.

I doubt they could be any worst. We need serious reform from strict term limits to limiting their VIP benefits so we won’t continue to attract the same loafers we’ve been attracting!

M&K's Retrievers
03-05-2010, 01:12 AM
Give us what you want, but you wouldn't (or couldn't) answer Yardley's questions. Why not? Yet ANOTHER example of diversion and avoidance of answering reasonable questions and debate.

Go ahead, call me some names or attach more labels, I'm fully prepared and anticipating the typical response, as you demonstrated above! This pattern is getting old...

DNF, Yardley's public defender. I didn't argue with his comments or questions. I only pointed out that he always pours out volumes of bullshit to differ with any opinion offered but when backed into a corner he (and you) disappear when you have no comeback. Perhaps you just become bored with a thread. Oh, I don't recall calling you any names other than Did Not Finish a few months back and I thought we hashed that out. Don't get so touchy. I'm just helping you kill some time between bed pans.:rolleyes:

YardleyLabs
03-05-2010, 07:21 AM
DNF, Yardley's public defender. I didn't argue with his comments or questions. I only pointed out that he always pours out volumes of bullshit to differ with any opinion offered but when backed into a corner he (and you) disappear when you have no comeback. Perhaps you just become bored with a thread. Oh, I don't recall calling you any names other than Did Not Finish a few months back and I thought we hashed that out. Don't get so touchy. I'm just helping you kill some time between bed pans.:rolleyes:
At certain point arguments where facts are presented on one side (hint: not yours), and the other side returns with comments like "volumes of bullshit" without a single thread of fact or logic to support the insults, become tiring. Unfortunately, this style of debate has become a Congressional standard and the universal standard of most of the Republican leadership. In a reply on another thread, HEW ridiculed those listening to Jon Stewart's show. I think that Jon Stewart may actually be one of the better "journalists" on TV today because he is so adept at skewering the verbal hypocrisy and hyperbole of both sides of debate. There can be no honest discourse or reason when facts are considered to be irrelevant except if they can be used as weapons to support a predetermined position. There can be no fair and civil discussion if the definition of "fair" is that anything done to support your own position is justified, while anything done by your opponent is a travesty, even if it is the same thing you just did yourself.

Hew
03-05-2010, 07:37 AM
In a reply on another thread, HEW ridiculed those listening to Jon Stewart's show. I think that Jon Stewart may actually be one of the better "journalists" on TV today because he is so adept at skewering the verbal hypocrisy and hyperbole of both sides of debate.
I ridiculed the notion of getting one's news from Jon Stewart (or thinking that you're getting the news from Jon Stewart). Now I'll ridicule the notion of Jon Stewart being a "journalist." He's a satirist, comic and talk show host. If he's a journalist (with or without the quotes) then so is Letterman, Leno, Limbaugh, Twain and Arsenio Hall.

YardleyLabs
03-05-2010, 07:53 AM
I ridiculed the notion of getting one's news from Jon Stewart (or thinking that you're getting the news from Jon Stewart). Now I'll ridicule the notion of Jon Stewart being a "journalist." He's a satirist, comic and talk show host. If he's a journalist (with or without the quotes) then so is Letterman, Leno, Limbaugh, Twain and Arsenio Hall.
That was why I put the word in quotes. At least on Comedy Central they don't pretend to be what they are not. Would the Fox News or MSNBC, or increasingly CNN, could say the same. In fact, various surveys have shown The Daily Show to be the primary news sources for younger adults. Is that bad? The evidence suggests that it is not. An Indiana University study showed that The Daily Show contained as much news substance as any of the major network news broadcasts, and a Pew Research poll ranked Jon Stewart as one of the most admired news anchors in the country, tied with Brokaw, Brian Williams, Dan Rather, and Anderson Cooper. (See http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/17/arts/television/17kaku.html and http://newsinfo.iu.edu/web/page/normal/4159.html)

M&K's Retrievers
03-05-2010, 09:52 AM
At certain point arguments where facts are presented on one side (hint: not yours), and the other side returns with comments like "volumes of bullshit" without a single thread of fact or logic to support the insults, become tiring. Unfortunately, this style of debate has become a Congressional standard and the universal standard of most of the Republican leadership. In a reply on another thread, HEW ridiculed those listening to Jon Stewart's show. I think that Jon Stewart may actually be one of the better "journalists" on TV today because he is so adept at skewering the verbal hypocrisy and hyperbole of both sides of debate. There can be no honest discourse or reason when facts are considered to be irrelevant except if they can be used as weapons to support a predetermined position. There can be no fair and civil discussion if the definition of "fair" is that anything done to support your own position is justified, while anything done by your opponent is a travesty, even if it is the same thing you just did yourself.

I was not pointing to any particular post but rather the volume of work.

M&K's Retrievers
03-05-2010, 10:14 AM
In fact, various surveys have shown The Daily Show to be the primary news sources for younger adults. Is that bad? The evidence suggests that it is not. An Indiana University study showed that The Daily Show contained as much news substance as any of the major network news broadcasts, and a Pew Research poll ranked Jon Stewart as one of the most admired news anchors in the country, tied with Brokaw, Brian Williams, Dan Rather, and Anderson Cooper. (See http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/17/arts/television/17kaku.html and http://newsinfo.iu.edu/web/page/normal/4159.html)

And you think this is good? Jon Stewart by his own admission is a comedian, Brokaw has been retired for several years and Rather discredited. I'm really not very familar with the other two.

Buzz
03-05-2010, 11:20 AM
I was not pointing to any particular post but rather the volume of work.

I think the volume of work is pretty darn good. I am amazed that Jeff has the tenacity to do the leg work he does to research material that supports his position, especially when he surely knows that his audience will just reject out of hand anything that conflicts with their ideology.

ducknwork
03-05-2010, 11:50 AM
In fact, various surveys have shown The Daily Show to be the primary news sources for younger adults.

That is another fine example of the sad state of our country and the 'intelligence' of young adults.

Franco
03-05-2010, 12:09 PM
I think the volume of work is pretty darn good. I am amazed that Jeff has the tenacity to do the leg work he does to research material that supports his position, especially when he surely knows that his audience will just reject out of hand anything that conflicts with their ideology.

Yes he does and I respect him for that. He'll pull up research to support his view though I don't always agree with his view of the material.

For instance; I view our broken immigration enforcement as a contributor to the problems we face today. That blame goes all the way to the top of our government and our failure to enforce since Reagan. Most on the left have no problem with the massive illegal migration to the USA. Different values for different folks. I liked things they way they were and some want to change it all.

Koolaid
03-05-2010, 12:29 PM
Stewart is clearly a left leaning individual, but I'd figure you guys would almost have to like him. In the early years the show was 100% comedy but there has been a shift over the past few years. The majority of the content of The Daily Show looks at government (left and right) and exposes hypocrisy and stupidity in a comedic and often hyperbolic way.

I'm sure the majority on the right love Bill O'Reilly. Bill has said on his own show that he respects John Stewart and almost feels like he is the same kind of guy, just with some differing opinions. They've been on each others shows frequently and it's usually quite entertaining.

Sure he started off as a pure comedian, but that has really changed. Some of his end of the show interviewees (left and right guests) have found a formidable opponent who knows his crap.

Buzz
03-05-2010, 01:06 PM
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I'm sure the majority on the right love Bill O'Reilly. Bill has said on his own show that he respects John Stewart and almost feels like he is the same kind of guy, just with some differing opinions. They've been on each others shows frequently and it's usually quite entertaining.



Here are the unedited clips of Stewart on O'Reilly. I thought it was very interesting.

Clip 1:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Icp0tAsl95s

Clip 2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5EH-AAh6sU

Clip 3:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u28JVB380Mo

Clip 4:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPJICGwwvvc

Clip 5:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUSbzCow04I

Enjoy!

Koolaid
03-05-2010, 01:16 PM
The only part I never liked about that interview was Bill defending Beck...I'd like to think he knows better.

Henry V
03-05-2010, 01:57 PM
DNF, Yardley's public defender. I didn't argue with his comments or questions. I only pointed out that he always pours out volumes of bullshit to differ with any opinion offered but when backed into a corner he (and you) disappear when you have no comeback. ...
Since you make the claim, would you mind posting links to some of the threads where this has happened. I would like to revisit them and compare the presented facts on both sides.

M&K's Retrievers
03-05-2010, 02:47 PM
Since you make the claim, would you mind posting links to some of the threads where this has happened. I would like to revisit them and compare the presented facts on both sides.

There are no links to the times he disappears from a thread when his opinion is disputed. That is what I'm refering to.

YardleyLabs
03-05-2010, 03:27 PM
There are no links to the times he disappears from a thread when his opinion is disputed. That is what I'm refering to.
If you are talking about me, I think it is is safe to say that my opinion is always disputed and that I normally respond pretty quickly and in detail (what you call my volumes of BS, where BS seems to be defined by the volume, not the quality of what is said). However, appearances to the contrary (since I work at a computer all day), I actually sometimes leave the computer behind. It may be for several hours or several days. I do remember once coming back from such an outing and finding that you had posted a couple of different messages many hours before asking why I wasn't responding. I don't remember if I posted anything, or went on to the next thread. If my facts are proven to be untrue, as HEW has done at least 1-2 times, I try to make a point of accepting the correction. If the retort seems better suited for the playground, I will generally ignore once the "heat of the moment" has passed.

cotts135
03-05-2010, 03:53 PM
All BUMFACE want to do is trash this county. He is a socialist. He wants those of us that actually pay INCOME taxes to pay for everyone else. He can go to hell, and is committing treason!!!! He should be charged as such and when convicted receive the strongest penalty!!!!!!!!!!

Treason ?????????????????????. Time for you to get a dictionary and look up the definition. Naaaaaaaaaah I will do it for you since I can be reasonably assured that you read the definition if you respond to this post.


1. Treason, sedition mean disloyalty or treachery to one's country or its government. Treason is any attempt to overthrow the government or impair the well-being of a state to which one owes allegiance; the crime of giving aid or comfort to the enemies of one's government.

Franco
03-05-2010, 04:35 PM
1. Treason, sedition mean disloyalty or treachery to one's country or its government. Treason is any attempt to overthrow the government or impair the well-being of a state to which one owes allegiance; the crime of giving aid or comfort to the enemies of one's government.


I would say the fits most that hold seats in Congress! Notice I didn't use the word, "serve".

M&K's Retrievers
03-05-2010, 09:50 PM
I do remember once coming back from such an outing and finding that you had posted a couple of different messages many hours before asking why I wasn't responding. I don't remember if I posted anything, or went on to the next thread. If my facts are proven to be untrue, as HEW has done at least 1-2 times, I try to make a point of accepting the correction. If the retort seems better suited for the playground, I will generally ignore once the "heat of the moment" has passed.

Hell, Jeff, I don't remember which ones either. I tried to go back over old posts looking for examples but that proved to be a pain in the arse and even tho it's winter, I'm not bored enough to read over past posts. I just know that when someone offers a different opinion which you apparently can't disprove, you just seem to go away. That's okay. let's just agree to disagree.

Matt Weberpal
03-05-2010, 09:56 PM
We all agree Bush43 started the spending mess, that’s not the solution! Forget Dem or Rep, think about the consequences we will have to deal with! We are going to have to suck it up for several years. I know that’s not what the voters want to hear but, it’s the truth.Just look how our government suckered us into bailing out the Investment Banks!Those crooks walked with BILLIONS of our tax dollars!!! The Federal Government is out of control! That’s the problem, they’ve lost touch with reality."


We had a choice?

dnf777
03-05-2010, 11:00 PM
DNF, Yardley's public defender. I didn't argue with his comments or questions. I only pointed out that he always pours out volumes of bullshit to differ with any opinion offered but when backed into a corner he (and you) disappear when you have no comeback. Perhaps you just become bored with a thread. Oh, I don't recall calling you any names other than Did Not Finish a few months back and I thought we hashed that out. Don't get so touchy. I'm just helping you kill some time between bed pans.:rolleyes:


Just so you know I'm not un-intentionally ignoring that tripe:

INTENTIONALLY LEFT BLANK

M&K's Retrievers
03-05-2010, 11:18 PM
Just so you know I'm not un-intentionally ignoring that tripe:

INTENTIONALLY LEFT BLANK

You got the "Left" part right. :p

dnf777
03-06-2010, 12:00 AM
You got the "Left" part right. :p

Touche. ;-)

Franco
03-06-2010, 07:02 AM
We all agree Bush43 started the spending mess, that’s not the solution! Forget Dem or Rep, think about the consequences we will have to deal with! We are going to have to suck it up for several years. I know that’s not what the voters want to hear but, it’s the truth.Just look how our government suckered us into bailing out the Investment Banks!Those crooks walked with BILLIONS of our tax dollars!!! The Federal Government is out of control! That’s the problem, they’ve lost touch with reality."


We had a choice?

Yes and no.

One has to ask if Bush43 implemented the first Wall Street bailout because;

A) It was election time and he was trying to help McCain win during a period when all we heard about was doom and gloom?

or

B) That x-Goldman Sacks officials have been controlling the Fed Reserve and Treasury since the Clinton administration, that they would take care of thier buddies at the expense of the tax payers?

No...It was shoved down our throats.

Yes...We voted the bums into office.

Hew
03-06-2010, 07:35 AM
That was why I put the word in quotes. At least on Comedy Central they don't pretend to be what they are not. Would the Fox News or MSNBC, or increasingly CNN, could say the same. In fact, various surveys have shown The Daily Show to be the primary news sources for younger adults. Is that bad? No, it's not bad; it's scary. The evidence suggests that it is not. Really? Why, because Daily Show viewers are more likely to vote with you? Using that logic I gather then that you think it's good that some people get their news from Bill O'Reilly? An Indiana University study showed that The Daily Show contained as much news substance as any of the major network news broadcasts, when a comedy show has as much news content as network news that's more of an indictment of network news than it is praise for Jon Stewart. Stewart doesn't even think of himself as a journalist. Gallagher uses ripe fruit to make people laugh. Carrot Top uses props to make people laugh (or not) and Jon Stewart uses politicians to make people laugh. The only difference between those three is that Stewart has better material to work with, but in the end they're all comedians. and a Pew Research poll ranked Jon Stewart as one of the most admired news anchors in the country, tied with Brokaw, Brian Williams, Dan Rather, and Anderson Cooper. See my "more of an indictment of network news..." from above (See http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/17/arts/television/17kaku.html and http://newsinfo.iu.edu/web/page/normal/4159.html)

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YardleyLabs
03-06-2010, 07:55 AM
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I agree about the indictment of network news, although I include the cable channels in the same group. Sadly, there are only a few newspapers left that actually do reporting, and television seems to have decided that staged news is easier to manage and more entertaining -- Fox is winning that battle since it is now creating its own political movements. So yes, it is against that background that a comedian ends up being one of our better "journalists".

Franco
03-06-2010, 10:45 AM
So, which network has the hottest babe reporters?

CNN has really gotten up to speed with FN when it comes to hotties reporting the news.

Maybe MSNBC needs to pay attention to what older men want to view!

I don't watch Jon Stewart, any babe regulars reporting?
;-)

ducknwork
03-06-2010, 11:54 AM
Maybe we should watch the naked news like in Canada.:D

M&K's Retrievers
03-06-2010, 02:59 PM
So, which network has the hottest babe reporters?

CNN has really gotten up to speed with FN when it comes to hotties reporting the news.

Maybe MSNBC needs to pay attention to what older men want to view!

I don't watch Jon Stewart, any babe regulars reporting?
;-)

FOX. Without a doubt.