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dnf777
03-12-2010, 10:44 AM
I'm begging you, your right to religion and freedom to exercise religion and read all of the passages of the Bible as you want to read them and as your church wants to preach them . . . are going to come under the ropes in the next year. If it lasts that long it will be the next year. I beg you, look for the words 'social justice' or 'economic justice' on your church Web site. If you find it, run as fast as you can. Social justice and economic justice, they are code words. Now, am I advising people to leave their church? Yes.
This means that you would have to leave the Catholic Church, which has long championed that aspect of the Gospel.

Totally off his rocker?
I exerpted these quotes, but they are readily available on any number of web sites in their entirety for your reading bewilderment! Yeah, any religion that teaches social justice should be abandoned. That's why Jesus turned all that water into wine, then locked it up, and sold it at retail to only those who could afford it. Or..wait....how did that story go?

Koolaid
03-12-2010, 10:53 AM
This means that you would have to leave the Catholic Church, which has long championed that aspect of the Gospel.



Throw in a couple miracles and isn't that pretty much the entire gospel? Not just an aspect?

zeus3925
03-12-2010, 10:56 AM
Whose Bible is he reading? Phil Schlafly's?

ducknwork
03-12-2010, 12:12 PM
I'm confused. What is he talking about that would make me leave my church?

YardleyLabs
03-12-2010, 12:51 PM
I'm confused. What is he talking about that would make me leave my church?
Beck stated that the notion of "social justice" was a perversion of Christianity and a code word for Nazis and Communists. He stated that anyone belonging to a church that considered social justice to be important should leave that church. (See, for example, http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2010/marchweb-only/20-51.0.html)

dnf777
03-12-2010, 01:08 PM
If there was any lingering doubt that Beck is a totally off-base wacko, this should totally clear the board! Unless he is such an attention whore that he would offend so many fellow Christians, and place them below his particular views of religion and morality, to get this type of attention.

YardleyLabs
03-12-2010, 01:15 PM
If there was any lingering doubt that Beck is a totally off-base wacko, this should totally clear the board! Unless he is such an attention whore that he would offend so many fellow Christians, and place them below his particular views of religion and morality, to get this type of attention.
I read a column by Cal Thomas once that basically said that the only difference between Jesus and a wild eyed radical was that Jesus was the son of God, and that we should be concerned with believing in Jesus as our savior and not worrying about all that radical stuff. The column was in my local paper many years ago. I was not successful at locating a copy on line, but would love to.

road kill
03-12-2010, 01:17 PM
If there was any lingering doubt that Beck is a totally off-base wacko, this should totally clear the board! Unless he is such an attention whore that he would offend so many fellow Christians, and place them below his particular views of religion and morality, to get this type of attention.

He does scare you guys doesn't he?:D



rk

Koolaid
03-12-2010, 01:18 PM
Fellow Christians? Isn't he a Mormon?






(yes I know they consider themselves Christians...it's all medieval bs to this guy)

dnf777
03-12-2010, 01:57 PM
He does scare you guys doesn't he?:D



rk

If you mean "Christians" by "you guys", then YES, he does!
I occasionally agree with some of his rants, but this guy goes over the edge way too much! I fully realize that Mormons are Christians, but telling Catholics that they should abandon their Church?? Where does this guy come off? I'm a fair-weather Catholic at best, so my hackles don't go up too much.

Matt McKenzie
03-12-2010, 02:06 PM
Some of Beck's arguments and opinions are well thought out and thought-provoking. Sometimes he slides off the road of rational thought (intentionally? I don't know). But if you want to know what he's talking about, check out this website and decide if Social and Economic Justice are what you believe in. If not, then you might want to avoid churches that espouse it. If it's your cup of tea, good on ya. Just sayin'

http://www.cesj.org/thirdway/economicjustice-defined.htm

dnf777
03-12-2010, 02:23 PM
I'm more concerned about churches whose elders force plural marriages of pre-menarchal girls upon its followers, than churches who want to help others in the ways Jesus taught and did himself!

If you want a real eye-opener, Jon Krakauer's "Under the Banner of Heaven" gives a little historical background of Beck's church. The reasons that the modern LDS church no longer support polygamy are very surprising. So are many of the figures and dates they commemorate in their services and teachings. But to each his own. I just think that telling others who worship differently than you that they need to leave their church is the ultimate in egocentrisism, selfishness, and lack of respect for others. But that's just MHO, and he's free to say whatever gets him ratings.

YardleyLabs
03-12-2010, 02:51 PM
The next thing you know, you will have churches espousing "principles" like these:

"There are seven principles which Unitarian Universalist congregations affirm and promote:

The inherent worth and dignity of every person;
Justice, equity and compassion in human relations;
Acceptance of one another and encouragement to spiritual growth in our congregations;
A free and responsible search for truth and meaning;
The right of conscience and the use of the democratic process within our congregations and in society at large;
The goal of world community with peace, liberty, and justice for all;
Respect for the interdependent web of all existence of which we are a part. Unitarian Universalism (UU) draws from many sources:

Direct experience of that transcending mystery and wonder, affirmed in all cultures, which moves us to a renewal of the spirit and an openness to the forces which create and uphold life;
Words and deeds of prophetic women and men which challenge us to confront powers and structures of evil with justice, compassion, and the transforming power of love;
Wisdom from the world's religions which inspires us in our ethical and spiritual life;
Jewish and Christian teachings which call us to respond to God's love by loving our neighbors as ourselves;
Humanist teachings which counsel us to heed the guidance of reason and the results of science, and warn us against idolatries of the mind and spirit.
Spiritual teachings of earth-centered traditions which celebrate the sacred circle of life and instruct us to live in harmony with the rhythms of nature."[http://uua.org/]

ducknwork
03-12-2010, 03:12 PM
http://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/dictionary/index.cfm?id=36529

SOCIAL JUSTICE
The virtue that inclines one to co-operate with others in order to help make the institutions of society better serve the common good. While the obligation of social justice falls upon the individual, that person cannot fulfill the obligation alone, but must work in concert with others, through organized bodies, as a member of a group whose purpose is to identify the needs of society, and, by the use of appropriate means, to meet these needs locally, regionally, nationally, and even globally. Implicit in the virtue of social justice is an awareness that the world has entered on a new phase of social existence, with potential for great good or great harm vested in those who control the media and the structures of modern society. Christians, therefore, are expected to respond to the new obligations created by the extraordinary means of promoting the common good not only of small groups but literally of all humanity.

Social justice sounds pretty good to me...I can see where he is trying to skew this to be bad though. Social justice calls us to take care of our fellow man. Sounds like socialism? Well, not really. Look at the 4th word in the definition...That is A LOT different than the word 'forced'!

Beck can say whatever he wants, but he's not getting this Catholic dude to leave the Church!

Edit: In the quote from the link Yardley provided, Beck apparently made no mention of the Catholc Church. Are there differing reports out there?

Double edit: Dave, I didn't think you listened to Beck! How did you know he said this? ;)

twall
03-12-2010, 03:34 PM
The bible teaches us to go and spread the Gospel. Any other ideologies promoted by a church are going to be man-centered and man-created thus, based in the flesh.

A specific denomination can create its' own definition of social justice. The problem is that it has already code-word for socialism/communism/marxism. You may not want to believe that but there are evil forces in this world that are more than happy to have you blindly support them. Before you realize the path you have been led down it will be too late.

Tom

Goose
03-12-2010, 03:44 PM
He does scare you guys doesn't he?:D



rk

Anything to the right of Joseph Stalin scares these leftist nutroots. Beck must really scare 666...just look at how often he brings him up. "Mommy, I'm skeeered, mommy! Mr. Beck's on the tv mommy, make him go away! I'm skeeered, mommy! Oh, mommy...Rush is on the radio, mommy! Make him go away, mommy! I'm soooo skeeeeeered!" Waaaaaaaahhh!!!

The great thing about Beck is his ratings are huge and that drives the left even more crazy. I think I'll watch him today and maybe buy some stuff from all of his sponsors. Maybe I'll buy some gold from good ol' Gordon Liddy:)

I love his show. Especially the one where he outed Anita Dunn for her love affair with Chairman Mao. One less Maoist in the White House is a good thing. Or the show where he outed Commie Van Jones. One less communist in the White House is a good thing.

Now if there were just one less Kenyan in the White House.

We live in Cuba now and I'm skeeeered, mommy!

YardleyLabs
03-12-2010, 03:53 PM
It seems to me that the principles stated in the quote by ducknwork go to the core of Christianity, whether that interpretation comes through the Catholic Church, an evangelical church, or the Unitarians. It also seems to me that practicing those values in your life, not just preaching them to others, is the core of Christ's teaching.

Hew
03-12-2010, 04:48 PM
Oh, the irony. If only the lefty Christians cared half as much about fetal justice as they do for social and economic justice. :rolleyes:

dnf777
03-12-2010, 04:51 PM
Oh, the irony. If only the lefty Christians cared half as much about fetal justice as they do for social and economic justice. :rolleyes:

Likewise, if the righties cared half as much for fetuses AFTER they're born, as they do before they are!

Hew
03-12-2010, 05:02 PM
I didn't watch or hear Beck make those comments, but I suspect the context is that he isn't against religion helping those who need it, but that he is against churches that push an agenda that is more political than religious. As an example, go to the very liberal and very large National Council of Churches' website: http://www.ncccusa.org/ Look at the articles on the main page:



Obama Advisory Council has 60 recommendations

Groups ask EPA to halt mountaintop removal coal mining

Ecumenical Advocacy Days commences March 19-22 (advocating for illegal immigrants)

At Lent, ecumenical leaders press immigration reform

Immigration rally slated March 21 at the U.S. Capitol

Earthday 2010 resources ready for download or order

Their website reads like the front page of the DailyKos. :rolleyes: I suspect that the churches that belong to the NCOC are examples of what Beck was talking about.

Cody Covey
03-12-2010, 05:54 PM
I did hear him make the comment and thats exactly what he was talking about. He even stated as much during the show.

Henry V
03-12-2010, 06:58 PM
I didn't watch or hear Beck make those comments, but I suspect the context is that he isn't against religion helping those who need it, but that he is against churches that push an agenda that is more political than religious. As an example, go to the very liberal and very large National Council of Churches' website: http://www.ncccusa.org/ Look at the articles on the main page:

Their website reads like the front page of the DailyKos. :rolleyes: I suspect that the churches belong to the NCOC are examples of what Beck was talking about.
As a conservative, I have a hard time believing that you would really want to start a comparison between liberal and conservative churches out their "pushing a political agenda". Let's see off the top, we have the Christian Coalition, Focus on the Family, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Family Research Council, Rev. D. James Kennedy, etc. all pushing their agenda to the hard right with Republicans visiting them for support and endorsement often. It is hilarious that Beck is concerned about "liberal" churches pushing an agenda given the history of the past 30 years.

K G
03-12-2010, 08:21 PM
Who's Glenn Beck???

;-)......didn't listen before his "comment," won't be starting now....he's a bit too impressed with himself for me.

kg

JDogger
03-12-2010, 11:35 PM
http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll176/JDoggger/make_it_stop.jpg

So... we had PP spin off so that political wing-nuts would not spew on a dog-training forum. (and they still do occasionally.)

So...? What should Chris do now?

Spin off another sub-forum where socio, politico, religiousity can be discussed, debated and argued, and posters are free to abuse one another?

I vehemently oppose those who wish to speak prophetical, regardless of their church, be it christian or islam.

Make it stop regards,

JD

Who is Glen Beck? Good question. Talk about "dumbing down".

Hew
03-13-2010, 07:13 AM
As a conservative, I have a hard time believing that you would really want to start a comparison between liberal and conservative churches out their "pushing a political agenda". Let's see off the top, we have the Christian Coalition, Focus on the Family, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Family Research Council, Rev. D. James Kennedy, etc. all pushing their agenda to the hard right with Republicans visiting them for support and endorsement often. Good point. I don't think you'll find me defending churches/religious organizations that are politically active. That said, all of those organizations you mention are a speck compared to the United Council of Churches and the 45 million members who contribute (most unknowingly, likely) million to a host of liberal causes. It is hilarious that Beck is concerned about "liberal" churches pushing an agenda given the history of the past 30 years. Kudos for recognizing it for what it is instead of parrotting the other moonbats (and the starter of this thread).
The National Council of Churches is definately a third rail that nobody on the right wants to talk about for fear of being demagogoued (although interestingly enough, it's socially acceptable to attack any religous org. that is right leaning). Beck took the first swing. Good for him. Pretty ballsy. If one is looking for cesspools of liberal idealogy then the National Council of Churches is a good place to start. I'm sure that the vast majority of the members of the United Methodists, The Episcopal Church and The Presbyterian Church (USA) (among others) have no earthly idea that a portion of their tithings is funding leftists causes via the National Council of Churches.

dnf777
03-13-2010, 07:54 AM
He mentioned the catholic church specifically. Do you really think that is a pillar of wild liberalism? Come on Hew, you're smarter than that. This wasn't Beck pushing a conservative agenda, this was beck pushing beck. Got us talking about him, didn't it? I would not accuse beck of being stupid, but he's so full of himself, those people usually hang themselves once they gather enough rope.

I'm not saying I agree with the following, but I bet those comments will have repercussions that reach all the way to Mitt Romney, come the 2012 season.

dnf777
03-13-2010, 07:55 AM
Make it stop regards,

JD



Reminds me of my favorite bumper sticker:

"Lord, Protect me from your followers!"

Hew
03-13-2010, 08:04 AM
I'm not saying I agree with the following, but I bet those comments will have repercussions that reach all the way to Mitt Romney, come the 2012 season.
That's an interesting point. Yeah, I bet Mitt ain't too happy. But then most folks probably aren't aware that Beck is a Mormon except those that really like him or really hate him.

Buzz
03-13-2010, 09:03 AM
That's an interesting point. Yeah, I bet Mitt ain't too happy. But then most folks probably aren't aware that Beck is a Mormon except those that really like him or really hate him.


I had no idea until I watched the news last night.

blind ambition
03-13-2010, 10:07 AM
... most folks probably aren't aware that Beck is a Mormon except those that really like him or really hate him.

So, pretty much everyone then, eh?

BonMallari
03-13-2010, 10:32 AM
I THOUGHT Glenn Beck was going to be a welcome addition to Fox News...but I think he will wear out his welcome because of his "over the top" style. His schtick is already wearing thin with me

K.Bullock
03-13-2010, 10:48 AM
Mormon belief is different enough from orthodox Christianity that it really is in a class other than Christianity, it's not the same.Beck either doesn't have a clue what the basic tenets of Christianity are or doesn't care. Or just knows that a statement like this will get a whole lot of attention.


Deuteronomy 15 7 If there is a poor man among your brothers in any of the towns of the land that the LORD your God is giving you, do not be hardhearted or tightfisted toward your poor brother. 8 Rather be openhanded and freely lend him whatever he needs. 9 Be careful not to harbor this wicked thought: "The seventh year, the year for canceling debts, is near," so that you do not show ill will toward your needy brother and give him nothing. He may then appeal to the LORD against you, and you will be found guilty of sin. 10 Give generously to him and do so without a grudging heart; then because of this the LORD your God will bless you in all your work and in everything you put your hand to. 11 There will always be poor people in the land. Therefore I command you to be openhanded toward your brothers and toward the poor and needy in your land.

Or as summarized by Christ himself: John 12
8For the poor you always have with you, but you do not always have me

Koolaid
03-13-2010, 10:57 AM
I'm not one to bash a specific religion as I hate them all equally, but anyone that knows...is this accurate?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFZ1jVO3-OE

If so...........

precisionlabradors
03-13-2010, 12:41 PM
I'm not one to bash a specific religion as I hate them all equally, but anyone that knows...is this accurate?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFZ1jVO3-OE

If so...........

some of it is, some of it isn't.
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subroc
03-13-2010, 12:53 PM
I am not a very religious man myself, but I truly enjoy watching, reading, hearing and listening to the godless discuss god and religion.

GoodDog
03-13-2010, 12:59 PM
Hey Bullock, you speak of mormonism like you truely understand it, so what exactly is it that takes mormonism out of Christianity and into a class all its own. I have a great understanding, and don't see it? So if you can spread some of your understanding, I would find it very interesting. Thanks

K.Bullock
03-13-2010, 03:01 PM
Hey Bullock, you speak of mormonism like you truely understand it, so what exactly is it that takes mormonism out of Christianity and into a class all its own. I have a great understanding, and don't see it? So if you can spread some of your understanding, I would find it very interesting. Thanks

Short story is plurality of gods, Jesus propitiation in garden rather than on the cross, goddess mother, becoming gods, keeping the commandments to be forgiven ...dig in: http://www.carm.org/1830-book-of-mormon. This is about as simplistic as you can get, if you want to discuss theology more in depth send me an IM and I would happy to get into more detail.

K.Bullock
03-13-2010, 03:04 PM
Interesting blog post concerning Beck's statements.

http://jeffwrightjr.wordpress.com/2010/03/13/glenn-beck-social-justice-2/

GoodDog
03-13-2010, 03:39 PM
PM sent for ya Bullock

Leddyman
03-13-2010, 05:25 PM
If you mean "Christians" by "you guys", then YES, he does!
I occasionally agree with some of his rants, but this guy goes over the edge way too much! I fully realize that Mormons are Christians, but telling Catholics that they should abandon their Church?? Where does this guy come off? I'm a fair-weather Catholic at best, so my hackles don't go up too much.

Would you do me a favor and define Christian for me? Since you are one I figure you must be able to tell me what that means. I want to argue a point, but what usually happens is when two people use one word and have two different definitions of said word they wind up talking past each other.

Pete
03-13-2010, 06:14 PM
[QUOTE]would you do me a favor and define Christian for me? Since you are one I figure you must be able to tell me what that means. I want to argue a point, but what usually happens is when two people use one word and have two different definitions of said word they wind up talking past each other.
Today 08:39 PM/QUOTE]

Christian = Christ in ,,,, as in "Christ in you" .

He is the promised seed. The seed from God. An incorruptable seed. Its perfect
Once you got it you can't get rid of it.

Same goes for the other god( II cor 4:4) and his seed. Only different

Pete

road kill
03-13-2010, 06:53 PM
I'm not one to bash a specific religion as I hate them all equally, but anyone that knows...is this accurate?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFZ1jVO3-OE

If so...........

Do you have faith in anything?


rk

Koolaid
03-13-2010, 08:00 PM
Do you have faith in anything?


rk

No. I like to live my life like this is the only one I'll have. Probably the reason I have a puppy atm.

Charles C.
03-13-2010, 09:15 PM
I'm not one to bash a specific religion as I hate them all equally, but anyone that knows...is this accurate?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFZ1jVO3-OE

If so...........


No, total agenda slanted garbage.

subroc
03-13-2010, 10:09 PM
I'm not one to bash a specific religion as I hate them all equally....

not too bigoted, are you?

dnf777
03-13-2010, 10:54 PM
Would you do me a favor and define Christian for me? Since you are one I figure you must be able to tell me what that means. I want to argue a point, but what usually happens is when two people use one word and have two different definitions of said word they wind up talking past each other.

I'll probably regret this, but ok, I'll take the bait. ;-)

To me, a Christian is someone who has accepted Jesus Christ as the son of God, and their savior. That their belief and acceptance of Christ will be their salvation in Heaven. Now we could parse words and definitions in the above, but I don't see the point.

I think beck will regret, and backpeddle quickly, or else his sponsors will diminish. I personally don't care who or what people believe in, so long as they treat others with respect, and don't harm others. Some of the kindest, most geneous people I know are NOT Christians, but live more like Christ told us to than many Christians I know. What he said served no purpose other than to generate publicity, self-promote, and in doing so, offended a very large chunk of his audience. Right or wrong, it was in poor taste.

Like I said, I think he's totally wacko, so full of himself that he will self-destruct....but he ain't stupid! I don't care if he's Mormon, Mulsim, Christian, Jewish, or whatever....but he has no place telling others that they should leave their religion because HE thinks they're engineering socialism from their pulpits! Nor does anyone else.

If I were Mormon, I would be pissed at him. I doubt many fellow Mormons agree with him, or if they do, they wouldn't spout off on national tv. His words will most likely reflect on the Church of LDS in the public eye to some degree, and I do think Mitt will need to explain his feelings on this, once the cameras are back on him.

zeus3925
03-14-2010, 01:02 PM
FYI--

http://www.cnn.com/2010/LIVING/03/12/beck.boycott/index.html?hpt=C2

Koolaid
03-14-2010, 01:03 PM
not too bigoted, are you?

No, I don't hate the people, I hate the institutions.

K.Bullock
03-14-2010, 01:08 PM
FYI--

http://www.cnn.com/2010/LIVING/03/12/beck.boycott/index.html?hpt=C2

Wallis is about as leftist and liberal as they come. Check this out >> http://jeffwrightjr.wordpress.com/2010/03/13/glenn-beck-social-justice-two/

I am really enjoying this guys writing on this topic.

ducknwork
03-14-2010, 01:31 PM
FYI--

http://www.cnn.com/2010/LIVING/03/12/beck.boycott/index.html?hpt=C2


"If we all did as Jesus did when he helped the poor, we wouldn't need the government," says Falwell, the son of the late evangelical leader, the Rev. Jerry Falwell.

Amen to that!

Leddyman
03-14-2010, 10:03 PM
I'll probably regret this, but ok, I'll take the bait. ;-)

To me, a Christian is someone who has accepted Jesus Christ as the son of God, and their savior. That their belief and acceptance of Christ will be their salvation in Heaven. Now we could parse words and definitions in the above, but I don't see the point.

I think beck will regret, and backpeddle quickly, or else his sponsors will diminish. I personally don't care who or what people believe in, so long as they treat others with respect, and don't harm others. Some of the kindest, most geneous people I know are NOT Christians, but live more like Christ told us to than many Christians I know. What he said served no purpose other than to generate publicity, self-promote, and in doing so, offended a very large chunk of his audience. Right or wrong, it was in poor taste.

Like I said, I think he's totally wacko, so full of himself that he will self-destruct....but he ain't stupid! I don't care if he's Mormon, Mulsim, Christian, Jewish, or whatever....but he has no place telling others that they should leave their religion because HE thinks they're engineering socialism from their pulpits! Nor does anyone else.

If I were Mormon, I would be pissed at him. I doubt many fellow Mormons agree with him, or if they do, they wouldn't spout off on national tv. His words will most likely reflect on the Church of LDS in the public eye to some degree, and I do think Mitt will need to explain his feelings on this, once the cameras are back on him.

Ah don't worry about it. I find that I lack the energy to even START that argument. That's about a better definition than most anyway. What is wrong with me? It has been a long day and I son't want to spar.

See if you can figure out what the heck Pete is talking about and get back to me. :o

jank
03-14-2010, 10:10 PM
Maybe some of you that disagree with Beck so much on this subject can explain something to me. Did the government force Jesus to be charitable? Seems to me that Jesus changed water to wine of his own free will. Charity and social justice are not the same.

zeus3925
03-14-2010, 10:36 PM
Wallis is about as leftist and liberal as they come. Check this out >> http://jeffwrightjr.wordpress.com/2010/03/13/glenn-beck-social-justice-two/

I am really enjoying this guys writing on this topic.

And that makes Beck's remarks OK, eh?

Terry Britton
03-15-2010, 09:44 AM
Maybe some of you that disagree with Beck so much on this subject can explain something to me. Did the government force Jesus to be charitable? Seems to me that Jesus changed water to wine of his own free will. Charity and social justice are not the same.

I haven't read through everything, but I agree with the last statement. Charity is helping someone in need. Social justice sounds almost communist, and I have known some people that try to take advantage of this combined with religion to get stuff without earning or working for it.

I checked my church doctrine, and it says nothing about "social justice".

K.Bullock
03-15-2010, 01:34 PM
And that makes Beck's remarks OK, eh?


Could you expand on your comment? I don't understand where you came up with that after reading the article.

dnf777
03-15-2010, 02:27 PM
Did the government force Jesus to be charitable?

No. They nailed him to a cross until he died, then buried him under a big rock for promoting his ideas of "social justice".

jank
03-15-2010, 02:51 PM
The definition I found for "social justice" is, "the distribution of advantages and disadvantages within a society." Just thought I'd throw that on here so everyone knows what we are talking about.

dnf777
03-15-2010, 03:00 PM
The definition I found for "social justice" is, "the distribution of advantages and disadvantages within a society." Just thought I'd throw that on here so everyone knows what we are talking about.

Its not that simple. What, then, is your definition of "advantage" and "disadvantage"? As a society, we have decided that certain advantages should not be used over one another. Hence laws against assault, battery, and stalking.....also the passage of the Sherman Anti-Trust Act. All these are ways of limiting certain advantages some may have over others. Obviously, this is not what you're referring to, but economic advantages do enter into the spectrum at some point. Public education or vouchers are redistributing economic advantage, to ensure all Americans are at least offered the opportunity at education. Is that a bad thing? Where to draw the line is the hard part. Merriam-Webster definitions are easy.

YardleyLabs
03-15-2010, 03:11 PM
Social justice does not assume that wealth or income should be equally distributed. In fact, it is hard to argue that there is social justice where one person working hard is paid the same as another who is not working at all. Social justice does require conscious efforts within a society to try to promote some level of equity in the availability of opportunities. Interestingly, many who favor high estate taxes believe that this is a social equity issue since inheritance is a vehicle for passing wealth that has not been earned by the recipient and because it promotes inequitable opportunities for those born to wealth (Bill Gates' father, among others, makes this argument.).

dnf777
03-15-2010, 05:36 PM
Wifey and I flipped onto Beck's show a few minutes ago and were truly entertained! He showed a chest x-ray, in his attempts at an elementery explanation of the health bill, and pointed out the heart silhouette as a "tumor" that bean-counters for the gov't will decide whether or not to "cut out"! What an idiot! That man is truly a raving lunatic! He gesticulates with all the fervor of a psychotic responding to unreal stimuli. I put him in the same category as Morton Downey Jr and the likes....

no, sorry. To Mort's credit, he didn't pose as a legitimate commentator...he knew he was over the top!

zeus3925
03-15-2010, 06:02 PM
Stay tuned tomorrow. He's going to prove the world is flat.