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Eric Johnson
03-26-2010, 05:01 PM
http://www.wsfa.com/Global/story.asp?S=12206196

http://tinyurl.com/ykqpfnd

Posted: Mar 25, 2010 5:23 PM CDT
Updated: Mar 25, 2010 5:23 PM CDT
MONTGOMERY, AL (WSFA) -

WSFA 12 News met Dr. Randy Brinson in the lobby of Jackson Hospital in Montgomery. Brinson says he literally read every page, every word of the monster bill over 3 days.

"That is totally different with the way medical care is delivered today," said Dr. Brinson.

A conclusion critics and supporters of the new law agree on. It's the middle part of the 2,700 page bill that troubles Dr. Brinson.

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dnf777
03-26-2010, 08:07 PM
Who is Dr. Brinson? Why is his opinion any more valid that any other doc in the country? I see his is head of the Christian Coalition. I wonder if his comments are more medical in nature, or political? The gov't already allocates funding for residency training, and via medicare funds, directs the number of training slots for any given hospital. That is not novel in this bill.

Buzz
03-26-2010, 08:19 PM
"They may tell me we don't need you in this area as a gastroenterologist in Montgomery, Alabama. We only need half, so what are we going to do with the other half," said Dr. Brinson.

In an effort to be fair and balanced on the new law signed this week by President Obama, Dr. Brinson believes the idea of getting people insured is a good concept and at least this debate is generating a lot of good questions.

In the end though Dr. Brinson has his doubts whether the new health care law will in fact reduce health care costs.

"We know what's driving the costs in Alabama. It's obesity," said Dr. Brinson.

This guy's statement kind of reminds me of what Reagan said about medicare back in the 1960's.


The doctor begins to lose freedom. . . . First you decide that the doctor can have so many patients. They are equally divided among the various doctors by the government. But then doctors aren’t equally divided geographically. So a doctor decides he wants to practice in one town and the government has to say to him, you can't live in that town. They already have enough doctors. You have to go someplace else. And from here it's only a short step to dictating where he will go. . . . All of us can see what happens once you establish the precedent that the government can determine a man's working place and his working methods, determine his employment. From here it's a short step to all the rest of socialism, to determining his pay. And pretty soon your son won't decide, when he's in school, where he will go or what he will do for a living. He will wait for the government to tell him where he will go to work and what he will do.

Regarding this guy's comment about what is driving cost in Alabama, I wonder what his solution is to that one?

Eric Johnson
03-26-2010, 10:39 PM
Dr., Brinson is a specialist here in town. If you'd care to talk to him, perhaps I can get his phone number/email address.

The gov't may allocate some funds for residencies but do they control where they are. I thought the respective "Colleges" did that....at least they did when I was last in a teaching hospital.

Eric

dnf777
03-27-2010, 08:54 AM
Dr., Brinson is a specialist here in town. If you'd care to talk to him, perhaps I can get his phone number/email address.

The gov't may allocate some funds for residencies but do they control where they are. I thought the respective "Colleges" did that....at least they did when I was last in a teaching hospital.

Eric

Absolutely not. The Colleges have nothing to do with certification, licensure, or allocation of funds. At ABMS issues board certs through the various member specialty boards. CMS allocates funds for graduate medical education, and certainly does have control of the pursestrings.

I have two GI guys I work with here in town I can talk to. That is, when they're in town. The both spend 3 or 4 day weekends in the south at their other homes, and one actually lives 150 miles away and commutes by an Adams Aircraft twin engine plane. His jet was in the shop too much, and for only that length commute, a mere corporate twin worked out better for him. On second thought, maybe Gastroenterologists aren't the best people to listen to about whining that they won't make enough money! :rolleyes:
Before I'm called a socailist, communist, Marxist, or whatever the name-du-jour is for those who disagree, let me add I do not begrudge them making such high wages......I'm trying to figure out how to also, just like everyone else on this list!

Eric Johnson
03-27-2010, 06:57 PM
By colleges, I meant the Specialy Boards.

I take a bit of exception to your uncalled for remark about the Dr. being a member of the Christian Coalition. The TV station was incorrect in raising the issue but they are part of the Liberal Coalition. It was a bit snide of you to reference it since it was a point made by the interviewer, not the Dr.

Eric

Hoosier
03-27-2010, 09:18 PM
Notice how the left now uses the word Christian with the same disgust as as they would if they were calling some a Racist, Nazi, Klan member, ect.

dnf777
03-27-2010, 09:30 PM
Notice how the left now uses the word Christian with the same disgust as as they would if they were calling some a Racist, Nazi, Klan member, ect.

You guys are unbelievable!! I said I noticed he was head of an organization. How you extract disgust or snideness in that observation is beyond me!! For you information, I AM A CHRISTIAN, and I take exception to any implications to the contrary.

The Christian Coalition is well-known for its political stances on subjects, and it is very reasonable to ask a physician who is also a member of a politically active organization whether his remarks come from under the hat of a physician, or a political opinion. Maybe both.

Honestly, if I quoted a doctor who was supporting the health bill, and it was mentioned he was a member of moveon.org, would it not be fair to question his motives for highly publicized remarks??? I think we can agree that in both cases, that's a fair question. I hope we can also agree that merely asking does not imply snideness or disgust, for Christ's sake!

Neither colleges nor medical specialty boards allocate money or dictate what programs are where. The American Council on Graduate Medical Education can close down a program if they fail to meet standards, but the individual specialty boards nor the colleges have anything to do with that aspect.

YardleyLabs
03-27-2010, 09:57 PM
Notice how the left now uses the word Christian with the same disgust as as they would if they were calling some a Racist, Nazi, Klan member, ect.
The term Christian, when used in conjunction with the Christian Coalition, has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with politics. It is, after all, a political organization dedicated to lobbying in favor of its own policy preferences and to attacking those with whom it disagrees. It is about power, not about God, and certainly not about Jesus. Can you imagine Jesus ever sayng "THE CHRISTIAN COALITION WILL BE THE MOST POWERFUL POLITICAL ORGANIZATION IN AMERICA". Or we have this jewel "Just like what Nazi Germany did to the Jews, so liberal America is now doing to the evangelical Christians. It's no different." Six million dead Jews might disagree, but...

Personally, I don't believe that either Robertson or his little clubs qualify as Christian if that is defined as living life in accordance with the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth. It's as bad as Beck equating social justice with Communism. If he is actually right, then Jesus was the first Communist even though born more than 1800 years before Karl Marx.

dnf777
03-28-2010, 08:17 AM
The term Christian, when used in conjunction with the Christian Coalition, has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with politics. It is, after all, a political organization dedicated to lobbying in favor of its own policy preferences and to attacking those with whom it disagrees. It is about power, not about God, and certainly not about Jesus. Can you imagine Jesus ever sayng "THE CHRISTIAN COALITION WILL BE THE MOST POWERFUL POLITICAL ORGANIZATION IN AMERICA". Or we have this jewel "Just like what Nazi Germany did to the Jews, so liberal America is now doing to the evangelical Christians. It's no different." Six million dead Jews might disagree, but...

Personally, I don't believe that either Robertson or his little clubs qualify as Christian if that is defined as living life in accordance with the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth. It's as bad as Beck equating social justice with Communism. If he is actually right, then Jesus was the first Communist even though born more than 1800 years before Karl Marx.

Jeff,
those are truly bewildering quotes from a "religious organization"! As for your observations, you are absolutely right. Although, after reading your post, I quickly tuned to the news to see if the Richter scale registered all of the righties head's exploding after reading that! ;-)

I am still waiting for an explanation as to the snideness or disgust of my comments from the other two making such claims. Perhaps THEY are ashamed of Christians or the coalition, in that they apparently would rather keep it a "secret society" when making political comment? Whatever their motivations, I merely questioned if the good doctor was making those comments wearing his health-care provider hat, or otherwise. Seemed fair to me?

The reason I asked, is we have an orthopedic surgeon who is also a deacon at his church, and is often seen wearing ties with Biblical quotes and crosses. After the OB was shot execution-style in the head while ushering at his church, he commented that he got just what he deserved. I asked him if that was the physician talking, or the Christian. :confused:

Hoosier
03-28-2010, 10:39 AM
Jeff,
those are truly bewildering quotes from a "religious organization"! As for your observations, you are absolutely right. Although, after reading your post, I quickly tuned to the news to see if the Richter scale registered all of the righties head's exploding after reading that! ;-)

I am still waiting for an explanation as to the snideness or disgust of my comments from the other two making such claims. Perhaps THEY are ashamed of Christians or the coalition, in that they apparently would rather keep it a "secret society" when making political comment? Whatever their motivations, I merely questioned if the good doctor was making those comments wearing his health-care provider hat, or otherwise. Seemed fair to me?

The reason I asked, is we have an orthopedic surgeon who is also a deacon at his church, and is often seen wearing ties with Biblical quotes and crosses. After the OB was shot execution-style in the head while ushering at his church, he commented that he got just what he deserved. I asked him if that was the physician talking, or the Christian. :confused:

You can't honestly tell me you haven't noticed the left's snide dismissal of anything associated with Christianity, Evangelical Christians, the Christian Coalition, ect. You were perfectly willing to dismiss whatever the man said based on his association with a Christian organization. I would say most members of Pheasants Forever are republican, do you automatically dismiss whatever they say? No, and probably because they aren't a Christian organization. Bring up the words Evangelical Christian at your next Friends of Marx meeting and listen to the tone of your comrades.

dnf777
03-28-2010, 12:21 PM
You can't honestly tell me you haven't noticed the left's snide dismissal of anything associated with Christianity, Evangelical Christians, the Christian Coalition, ect. You were perfectly willing to dismiss whatever the man said based on his association with a Christian organization. I would say most members of Pheasants Forever are republican, do you automatically dismiss whatever they say? No, and probably because they aren't a Christian organization. Bring up the words Evangelical Christian at your next Friends of Marx meeting and listen to the tone of your comrades.

Friends of Marx meeting? When you grow up a bit, we can continue this discussion as adults. Actually, the group of adults I discuss politics with is the VFW post. Do you want to show up and call us a bunch of Marxists? I'd like to see that! In the meantime, have a nice weekend.

M&K's Retrievers
03-28-2010, 01:10 PM
Keep it up, guys. The wind turbines need all the hot air they can get.:razz:

Hoosier
03-28-2010, 02:02 PM
Friends of Marx meeting? When you grow up a bit, we can continue this discussion as adults. Actually, the group of adults I discuss politics with is the VFW post. Do you want to show up and call us a bunch of Marxists? I'd like to see that! In the meantime, have a nice weekend.

And if people like you were half as worried about someone being associated with the Weather Underground as you are with the Christian Coalition we'd have a different President.

YardleyLabs
03-28-2010, 04:10 PM
And if people like you were half as worried about someone being associated with the Weather Underground as you are with the Christian Coalition we'd have a different President.
People get upset at discussions of Bush -- who did a lot more damage than the Weather Underground -- because he stopped being President 15 months ago. The Weather Underground has not been a factor of any kind since the 70's and wasn't much even then.

road kill
03-28-2010, 05:11 PM
People get upset at discussions of Bush -- who did a lot more damage than the Weather Underground -- because he stopped being President 15 months ago. The Weather Underground has not been a factor of any kind since the 70's and wasn't much even then.

True, they have more influence now!!;-)



rk

dnf777
03-28-2010, 05:23 PM
People get upset at discussions of Bush -- who did a lot more damage than the Weather Underground -- because he stopped being President 15 months ago. The Weather Underground has not been a factor of any kind since the 70's and wasn't much even then.

I'm starting to chuckle at the immaturity of this thread, but also growing very bored with the blatant hypocrisy. Nobody is allowed to bring up Bush, who policies are still directly harming Americans, yet its ok to bring up a fringe element from the 70s that has NADA NOTHING to do with the current topic!! LMAO!

Nobody answered how in the first place I was disgusted or snide by merely asking the source of comments. Then when they had no answers, or were embarassed by being called out on their romper-room level verbal antics, they resorted to their old stand-by, personal attacks and comparisons to communists. Even so far as to think a group of old veterans at the VFW who engage in political debate is a "friends of Marx"club! I bet he wouldn't say that to a group of weathered Americans with Bronze and Silver star pins on their lapels. (those are DoD citations for heroism and bravery in combat, if you don't know) But then again, I've seen the right stoop to lower levels in the recent elections.

The total lack of substance, childish attacks, and lame accusations are really growing old. I'm going to look for a more interesting thread, and hopefully, adult discourse for a change! Hope to see ya there.

Hoosier
03-28-2010, 06:47 PM
I'm starting to chuckle at the immaturity of this thread, but also growing very bored with the blatant hypocrisy. Nobody is allowed to bring up Bush, who policies are still directly harming Americans, yet its ok to bring up a fringe element from the 70s that has NADA NOTHING to do with the current topic!! LMAO!

Nobody answered how in the first place I was disgusted or snide by merely asking the source of comments. Then when they had no answers, or were embarassed by being called out on their romper-room level verbal antics, they resorted to their old stand-by, personal attacks and comparisons to communists. Even so far as to think a group of old veterans at the VFW who engage in political debate is a "friends of Marx"club! I bet he wouldn't say that to a group of weathered Americans with Bronze and Silver star pins on their lapels. (those are DoD citations for heroism and bravery in combat, if you don't know) But then again, I've seen the right stoop to lower levels in the recent elections.

The total lack of substance, childish attacks, and lame accusations are really growing old. I'm going to look for a more interesting thread, and hopefully, adult discourse for a change! Hope to see ya there.

I haven't said a word about some guys down at the VFW, it's the more radical element associated with Dear Leader I'm concerned with.

My "Friends of Marx" comment may have been outta line, but so is your questioning a guy for his association with The Christian Conciliation while ignoring the people Dear Leader has consistently been around for the last 30 years. Not exactly what I would expect out of someone who labels others hypocrites on a daily basis.

dnf777
03-29-2010, 07:17 AM
I haven't said a word about some guys down at the VFW, it's the more radical element associated with Dear Leader I'm concerned with.

My "Friends of Marx" comment may have been outta line, but so is your questioning a guy for his association with The Christian Conciliation while ignoring the people Dear Leader has consistently been around for the last 30 years. Not exactly what I would expect out of someone who labels others hypocrites on a daily basis.

There's absolutely no hypocrisy, at least in this case. Being part of a politically active organization, then making statements consistent with their philosophy, while operating under the guise of a patient advocate is worthy of question.

So is an alleged affiliation with a criminal organization. That was beaten to death (carcass barely recognizable as a horse) in the right wing media, as well as the main stream media, and that loose-at-best affiliation was answered to mine, and the nation's satisfaction. There are still fringe elements who don't believe that horse is dead, and are still clubbing away at is putrefied carcass. I've chosen to move on to relevant, legitimate concerns, such as budgetary spending, with which I am not happy.

Hoosier
03-29-2010, 09:07 AM
You may have a point, if Dear Leader didn't continue his association with people like Van Jones.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2009/09/06/van_jones_resigns.html

His one-time involvement with the Bay Area radical group Standing Together to Organize a Revolutionary Movement (STORM), which had Marxist roots, had also become an issue. And on Saturday his advocacy on behalf of death-row inmate Mumia Abu-Jamal, who was convicted of shooting a Philadelphia police officer in 1981, threatened to develop into a fresh point of controversy.

Fox News Channel host Glenn Beck launched the drive against Jones and all but declared war on him after a group Jones founded in 2005, ColorofChange.org, led an advertising boycott against Beck's show to protest his claim that Obama is a racist.

Rep. Mike Pence (R-Ind.) called on Jones to resign Friday, saying in a statement, "His extremist views and coarse rhetoric have no place in this administration or the public debate."

road kill
03-29-2010, 09:18 AM
I'm starting to chuckle at the immaturity of this thread,


That has been an issue for me for 58 years now!!:rolleyes:



rk

menmon
03-31-2010, 04:46 PM
You know when people compain the loudest is when they think they are losing something. I'm sorry that I don't have a lot of pitty for doctors. When the size of someone's house or the type of car they drive is more important than caring for sick people, it does not say much for the proffession.

I'm ussually an advacant of higher wages, but I don't think being a doctor entitles you to a life of prevledge.

road kill
03-31-2010, 07:24 PM
You know when people compain the loudest is when they think they are losing something. I'm sorry that I don't have a lot of pitty for doctors. When the size of someone's house or the type of car they drive is more important than caring for sick people, it does not say much for the proffession.

I'm ussually an advacant of higher wages, but I don't think being a doctor entitles you to a life of prevledge.


No, in the NEW America, not having a profession or house or car gets you privilige!!:D



rk

dback
03-31-2010, 07:45 PM
You know when people compain (complain) the loudest is when they think they are losing something. I'm sorry that I don't have a lot of pitty (pity) for doctors. When the size of someone's house or the type of car they drive is more important than caring for sick people, it does not say much for the proffession (profession) .

I'm ussually (usually) an advacant (advocate) of higher wages, but I don't think being a doctor entitles you to a life of prevledge (privilege).

There ya go Dave.....wanted to make sure you understood that this guy is on your side :-) :-) You can take it from here.

badbullgator
03-31-2010, 08:10 PM
You know when people compain the loudest is when they think they are losing something. I'm sorry that I don't have a lot of pitty for doctors. When the size of someone's house or the type of car they drive is more important than caring for sick people, it does not say much for the proffession.

I'm ussually (usually) an advacant (Advocate)of higher wages, but I don't think being a doctor entitles you to a life of prevledge (Privilege).


You missed a few. Keep in mind he works for Merrill Lynch and knows far more than any of us.


In the 90s, Merrill Lynch had a concierge sevices (services) for us to keep us. Trust me, they don't make decisions like that on a few dollars per employee.

I guess you really have to wonder why Merrill Lynch ever had any troubles. http://forums.floridasportsman.com/sites/all/modules/smileys/packs/IMOsmiley/roflmao.gifIt looks like they must have hired a bunch of high school drop outs. What is the special at IHOP this month?

dback
03-31-2010, 08:23 PM
You missed a few. Keep in mind he works for Merrill Lynch and knows far more than any of us.

You messin' with me Corey or is that the way it actually showed up on your screen???? We ASU boys are a little slow but I'm pretty sure I had 'em all.

Uncle Bill
03-31-2010, 08:54 PM
How incredibly amusing. Gone for a couple of weeks and come back to this thread of:

A practicing atheist "preaching" about Christ and what we 'stupid' Christians don't understand.

Then there is the case of the Dandyprat Independant claiming scruples and 'adult' erudition far beyond the obvious 'juveniles' attempting to explain their beliefs.

But then these two paragons of audacity, arrogance, and attempted intimidation, feign total knowledge of how every Christian should be as hypocritical as the one that claims to be a Christian.

Talk about a couple of prime horse's patoots, you clowns are so full of yourselves it amazes me you find time to lower yourselves to provide us with your daily denouement of any topic du jour. ( BTW, when you use that term in the future 777, it's not hyphenated. But then as an anal-retentive I thought you should have known that.):rolleyes:

UB

dnf777
03-31-2010, 10:12 PM
There ya go Dave.....wanted to make sure you understood that this guy is on your side :-) :-) You can take it from here.

Thankks DDbacKK...;-)
Sambo can go to a colon-cleanssingg wwitchhdoctor when he needds one! Probably gets his free focus-fakktor....its gotta be gooooodddd....its free

Uddern'nat, I'm gonna let this one go!

dnf777
03-31-2010, 10:14 PM
You know when people compain the loudest is when they think they are losing something. I'm sorry that I don't have a lot of pitty for doctors. When the size of someone's house or the type of car they drive is more important than caring for sick people, it does not say much for the proffession.

I'm ussually an advacant of higher wages, but I don't think being a doctor entitles you to a life of prevledge.

BTW, I drive a GMC pickup, not a Porsche Cayman, like my lawyer and plumber do!
(no kidding, I'm serious)